00:21:01 <Martin77[m]> monero will be always on layer 1?
00:23:25 <CidadoisAncap[m]> Martin77[m]: No, they are already working on a layer 2
00:23:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Who is they
00:24:20 <CidadoisAncap[m]> They
00:25:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Who's working on layers for monero? Actively developed or researched? 
00:25:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its been thought about but AFAIK no real work has ever been done and there is no interest from those capable.
00:25:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Perhaps not "always" but for the forseeable future, yes.
00:25:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes, layer 1*
00:27:28 <CidadoisAncap[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I was told, by the monero future roadmap(getmonero.org/resources/roadmap) that there is already a plan for implementing a layer 2 solution for scalability and speed
00:27:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof: 
00:28:23 <CidadoisAncap[m]> And seth for privacy already made a slide presentation introducing the concept and advantages for a layer 2 solution
00:29:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Its been thought about but AFAIK no real work has ever been done and there is no interest from those capable."
00:30:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> If anyone knows the name of any such project, please name it for me
00:31:02 <nioc> layer 2 
00:31:11 <nioc> .lenny
00:36:31 <plowsof> the marketing department have asked for "layer 2" on the roadmap 
00:36:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> <CidadoisAncap[m]> "I was told, by the monero future..." <- Pretty sure those icons next to then listings mean 1 under construction and 2 a compass, meaning we'll get there eventually (maybe). Layer 2 being the latter
00:37:49 <plowsof> the hive mind on reddit hates "layer 2" 
00:40:28 <plowsof> an anti layer 2 comment here https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/y17gr8/comment/is02kys/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 
00:41:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Layer 2 will be good for enterprise 
00:41:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> But until those enterprises come fund it, they can stick with lightning
00:42:13 <plowsof> depends what we consider "layer 2" -> could even be the discussion around quicker in person point of sales by - sending a tx directly to the merchants node 
00:42:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^^^
00:42:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> I was thinking about mining pools or interbank transfers 
00:44:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stores can accept cash aka layer 1
00:44:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or card / visa aka layer 2 
00:44:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> One requires the user to deposit funds to the layer 2 aka bank
00:48:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> But yeah.. right now layer 2 is a bit of a joke.
00:48:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not economically feasible for those running the network and has a terrible ux to boot
00:53:51 <CidadoisAncap[m]> Btc layer 2 is a distaster
00:54:18 <CidadoisAncap[m]> Custodial lightning, centralized routing hub, no l1 scalability
00:54:32 <plowsof> as long as layer 2 is not ' rent a subaddress from from a bank ' 
00:54:49 <CidadoisAncap[m]> If monero someday implement layer 2, it needs to learn from bitcoin's mistakes
00:55:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://matrix.to/#/!zxoYuvZdPYtIuWSQnn:monero.social/$JqdEj7Ot2lEDJFNzFtwKLXk1KU0-WKOfST-4JEpIsbU?via=monero.social&via=libera.chat&via=matrix.org
01:00:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cidadois Ancap: 
01:00:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> That link goes to research _lounge_
01:00:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lounge is a more laid back place to loosely discuss research related topics.
01:00:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> We try to keep _lab_ limited to actual research 
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05:11:33 <vz25t9mkowhyfy[m> but i need to charge this phone a bit
05:11:42 <vz25t9mkowhyfy[m> im on graphene os and mullvad
05:11:46 <vz25t9mkowhyfy[m> what about you
05:22:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im on shrooms 
05:27:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think youre in the wrong room.
05:27:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> R u sure youre not looking for an eth defi chat, or some other dark alleyway to swindle newbs?
05:27:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tdlr,  no scamming + wrong room if its not a scam / wrong people if it is = wasting everybody's time 
06:08:08 <Martin77[m]> <CidadoisAncap[m]> "No, they are already working..." <- nice
06:09:32 <Martin77[m]> <CidadoisAncap[m]> "Btc layer 2 is a distaster" <- i currently love rollups solution that eth & ada used but they currently still in beta 
06:15:59 <Martin77[m]> lightning might work well on monero since opening channel would be very cheap unlike in bitcoin + anonymous
06:15:59 <Martin77[m]> lightning might work for a reward system or for specific application
06:15:59 <Martin77[m]> like ingame xmr transfer , dvpn rewards , iot and much more 
12:41:32 <devduck[m]> happy diwali 
12:43:20 <devduck[m]> https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1584504382707507200#m
14:10:44 <Martin77[m]> linux distro that don't takes up to much resources and can be used as a daily driver?
14:12:58 <Martin77[m]> my current distro already very light in resources though compared to win11 
14:13:15 <Martin77[m]> i used mint 
14:35:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> <Martin77[m]> "linux distro that don't takes up..." <- #monero:monero.social 
14:56:17 <cryptogrampy[m]> <monerobull[m]> "Is grampy still alive?" <- hi
14:56:33 <cryptogrampy[m]> have been quite sick the past couple weeks and very busy switching nursing homes
15:24:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof:  any word from johnfoss?
15:37:19 <plowsof> left a reddit pm (his last activity there was 11 days ago) and a comment on the gitlab. i've not tried to contact his twitter handle 
15:38:56 <plowsof> ive not contacted him on twitter, last activity there was october 19th it seems) 
15:42:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> After the discussion I invite everybody to cast their votes here on GitLab, where we can easily weed out meaningless votes of sock puppets, like @nope and @nahuhh .
15:43:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj is kinda slow 😆
15:44:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> "@johnfoss67 During the meeting, I also give you full right to ignore voices of other sock puppets of the same person, namely (in the order of the given sock puppet's freshness): ofrnxmr, 123ooo123*, w & wfaresussia"
15:44:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/336#note_18727
15:52:07 <Siren[m]> Imagine having FOSS in your name but your blog is proprietary and full of trackers
15:52:30 <Siren[m]> Bruh
16:03:53 <plowsof> all meeting logs are public, in one of the meetings an 'anti MJ' person was present , and i said ' you can have your chance to say what you want to him please let us discuss the other matters first ' and this person waited patiently to voice their opinions 
16:06:51 <plowsof> i also requested a public apology from mj for making a death threat toward that person and he voluntarily left this room / didn't want to attend meetings anymore 
16:07:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> He didnt voluntarily leave 
16:08:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> He threw a temper tantrum, refused to apologize, claimed he would not take back what he said and then went and wrote a victim letter kn Reddit to garner support for his scamming ccs for development 
16:09:03 <plowsof> (was it a real death threat? im 99% certain it was just someone reacting to being pushed to their limits by someone challenging their every move for months) but, other people have been banned for life / cancelled from this room for the same things 
16:09:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> No
16:09:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> I asked him a question 
16:09:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> And he said he should shoot ooo
16:09:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ooo wasnt even around 
16:11:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Was it a real death threat? Obv not. Twitter fingers. Nobody is afraid of mj shooting them. But you cant cancel rotten for less and then claim its perfectly ok for mj to do it
16:11:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Call me Mr. NoBullshit
16:11:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> I wasnt trying tl start a fight 
16:12:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> All I had said was "7760 sits unreviewed while we run bad code. Is it true that nobody can review it?"
16:12:47 <Martin77[m]> linux distro for gigachads?
16:12:47 <plowsof> (i use arch linux btw)
16:12:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Martin77[m]: Wrong chat 
16:12:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> And he replied with "wouldnt the world be a better place if I shot ooo dead"
16:12:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tldr. Mj was mad at ooo because ooo notices that mj was ripping off the community
16:13:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj responded by ripping off the community in public 
16:14:23 <plowsof> hearsay your honour , strike everything from the record after "Tldr."
16:14:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also. You cent be mad that someone noticed that you were ripping off the community. Maybe next time.. dont be a pos?
16:15:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not hearsay
16:15:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj did it in public afterwards 
16:15:39 <Martin77[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: no lounge chat in monero.social?
16:15:41 <Martin77[m]> plowsof: how about artix ?
16:15:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero:monero.social 
16:18:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also, mj is on GitLab accusing me of being a ooo's sock puppet 😆
16:18:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Guy is bonkers. 
16:18:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Everyone knows im luigi
18:03:32 <Siren[m]> <Martin77[m]> "linux distro for gigachads?" <- Void linux