04:00:55 <jeffro256[m]> Hey y'all I wanted to start a discussion about community nodes and start asking for community node operators: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/8624
11:30:46 <onespan1831[m]> hey guys, need some help
11:30:54 <onespan1831[m]> sent a payment but it's showing as unknown recipient and it hasn't been received at the payment end?
11:31:40 <onespan1831[m]> is there anything i can do to recover the funds or solve the unknown recipient details?
11:31:56 <plowsof> did you rescan your wallet after you made the transaction? or make the purchase on another device? 
11:32:16 <onespan1831[m]> nope, purchase was made on the same device
11:32:25 <onespan1831[m]> and haven't rescanned
11:34:40 <plowsof> latest version of the gui? settings->info? 
11:35:26 <plowsof> unknown recipient is either 'wallet cache is gone/broken' or 'made on another device' - did you ever see the recipients address being displayed there?
11:35:28 <sech1> unknown recipient or just a different address shown?
11:35:39 <onespan1831[m]> unknown recipient
11:36:23 <onespan1831[m]> i don't remember about the address, i copied and pasted it like always, clicked send and then that was it
11:36:55 <onespan1831[m]> i updated to the most recent gui and now it's not connecting to the daemon
11:37:00 <onespan1831[m]> fml
11:37:10 <onespan1831[m]> 0.18.1.2-unknown (Qt 5.15.6) version
11:37:15 <plowsof> before or after you made the purchase?
11:37:21 <onespan1831[m]> just now
11:37:29 <onespan1831[m]> had 40 confirmations
11:37:48 <onespan1831[m]> wanted to see if that could solve the problem
11:41:07 <onespan1831[m]> sorry,back
11:41:16 <onespan1831[m]> yeah it's connected to the daemon now
11:41:22 <onespan1831[m]> restarted pc to make sure
11:41:47 <plowsof> settings -> node -> click remote node -> click (+) add remote node -> address = selsta2.featherwallet.net port = 18081 -> click ok -> click once on this address in your node list under (+) add remote node -> go to info -> click on (change) next to restore height -> click ok -> ok 
11:43:20 <onespan1831[m]> okay
11:43:28 <onespan1831[m]> dont that, waiting on the blocks
11:43:32 <onespan1831[m]> *done
11:48:45 <onespan1831[m]> holy shit they got it
11:48:55 <onespan1831[m]> dunno wtf was wrong but they've got the money now
11:49:10 <onespan1831[m]> either way plowsof, thank you my man <3
16:03:20 <CidadoisAncap[m]> <Siren[m]> "Imagine having FOSS in your name..." <- His blog is proprietary?
16:03:32 <CidadoisAncap[m]> 😨
16:03:49 <plowsof> monero observer is open source(*) 
16:07:02 <CidadoisAncap[m]> Assuming I accidentaly translated Monero Moon, could he sue me?
16:07:38 <Siren[m]> CidadoisAncap[m]: substack is proprietary
16:07:44 <Siren[m]> he hosts his blog on substack
16:07:47 <plowsof> it is/was translated into Russian for a long time, "proprietary" in the sense that the platform it uses "SubStack" 
16:08:41 <plowsof> he doesnt want to scare people off 😟
16:08:52 <Siren[m]> plowsof: that blog uses cookies and has a privacy policy 🤮
16:09:20 <Siren[m]> he scared me off when I viewed requests tab on my browser 
16:10:52 <plowsof> the reasoning for using substack is explained perfectly in the ccs - but he seems to think "not using substack" = "using a url that says inviduous-nitter-priavacy-backfoor-darknet/crypto dot com" 
16:11:07 <plowsof> and thus this would scare people away :) :) 
16:11:43 <CidadoisAncap[m]> Ata então ta suave pode pá entao
16:14:48 <plowsof> substack "seems an easier solution than forcing readers to use unfamiliar websites or apps." , this makes perfect sense you see?
16:15:38 <CidadoisAncap[m]> What is an altermative platform for substack?
16:16:19 <CidadoisAncap[m]> Better yet a platform for publisbing pdfs
16:17:50 <Rucknium[m]> Hugo is fine. There are several lightweight open source non-tracking blog software solutions.
16:19:03 <CidadoisAncap[m]> s/publisbing/publishing/
16:23:27 <plowsof> if only there was something he could protect people from knowing it was hosted on hugo, we all know they force you to have a weird url 
16:24:22 <Rucknium[m]> plowsof is being sarcastic by the way. Hugo does not force a weird URL.
16:44:27 <Siren[m]> <CidadoisAncap[m]> "What is an altermative platform..." <- There's also Ghost
16:48:08 <CidadoisAncap[m]> I will use it to upload translated monero moon to pt br
16:49:52 <CidadoisAncap[m]> 🗿🤙
17:18:35 <CidadoisAncap[m]> The moai emoji goes so hard on element chat
17:18:37 <CidadoisAncap[m]> 🗿
17:19:14 <rbrunner> And what does it stand for? Boomer wants to know.
17:19:53 <CidadoisAncap[m]> 🗿
17:20:19 <rbrunner> No, I mean what do you express if you use this emoji?
17:20:38 <rbrunner> "I stand very tall today"?
17:21:27 <rbrunner> "I am from Easter Island". Hardly, right?
17:22:41 <CidadoisAncap[m]> Strengh, virility, masculinity, affirmation
17:24:21 <CidadoisAncap[m]> 🗿
17:24:38 <rbrunner> Ah, ok, finally makes sense :)
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17:53:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> miller_james:  do you pay well
17:55:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> What does "report post" do on matrix? Does it notify mods?, 
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19:58:12 <cryptosaint007[m> I RECIEVE BITCOIN IN MY CAKEWALLET,NOW I CONVERT BITCOIN TO MONERO,THEN I SEND MONERO TO MY BINANCE WALLET.AND I WITHDRAW MONERO IN MY BANK ACCOUNT. CAN SENDER OF BITCOIN TRACE MY IDENTITY?
19:59:45 <sech1> YES AND MONERO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT USING IT. NUMBER ON BINANCE PAGE ARE NOT MONERO, THEY'RE JUST NUMBER IN BINANCE DATABASE
20:00:23 <kinghat[m]> 😂
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20:01:42 <cryptosaint007[m> You can buy and trade monero in binance 
20:07:04 <sech1> good luck withdrawing it
20:07:31 <cryptosaint007[m> <sech1> "YES AND MONERO HAS NOTHING TO DO..." <- I thought once I convert bitcoin to XMR it will become untraceable?
20:08:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Using xmr > xmr > xmr > xmr maybe
20:08:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> But you used a centralized entity inbetween every hoo
20:08:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hop
20:09:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> You whored monero and as such dont get its benefits
20:09:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tl: You only wanted BTC > fiat and used monero as a washer 
20:09:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wrong use
20:09:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> In between every hop*
20:12:32 <jeffro256[m]> BTC is transparent so you can see $100 of BTC transferred, then $100 of XMR shows up on Binance, Binance can make good guess as to origin of funds
20:12:57 <cryptosaint007[m> I agree
20:13:15 <Siren[m]> Binance certainly keeps logs of conversions and withdrawals
20:13:53 <cryptosaint007[m> In dubai I can sell my bitcoin for cash 
20:14:32 <cryptosaint007[m> I can use my buddy passport to withdraw,so sender cannot know my identity 
20:15:56 <Siren[m]> cryptosaint007[m: Sender will go to cops, cops go to your bank
20:16:37 <Siren[m]> You fucked up by involving binance and a bank
20:17:02 <cryptosaint007[m> No more binance 
20:17:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Siren[m]: And a centralized swap service 
20:17:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> How to say "I like the current system but wanna cheat it" without saying it LOL
20:17:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Pay your taxes on your btc like a true maxi
20:17:57 <cryptosaint007[m> I will recieve bitcoin fly to dubai and sell your bitcoin for cash ,use my freind identity 
20:18:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> So.. your friend pays the taxes?
20:18:46 <cryptosaint007[m> Recieve bitcoin in trust wallet
20:18:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nice friend
20:18:46 <Siren[m]> Ooh so this is supposed to be a scam?
20:19:16 <cryptosaint007[m> The guy owes me money,not paying me
20:19:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ok. Can you take this to #monero:monero.social 
20:19:42 <cryptosaint007[m> I have a way to recieve bitcoin from him in trust wallet
20:19:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tldr Next time use bisq and localmonero or better, dont use bitcoin and fiat 
20:20:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anyway, this is the wrong place to talk about junk like binance and trust wallet and how to wash your Bitcoin 
20:21:01 <sech1> just ask the guy to send you Monero
20:21:06 <sech1> we're in Monero channel, right?
22:44:41 <CidadoisAncap[m]> Gm
22:45:03 <CidadoisAncap[m]> Any estimates for when Seraphis will be launched?
22:45:10 <CidadoisAncap[m]> 🗿
22:48:28 <CidadoisAncap[m]> Also, is there a way for monero to implement safe 0 confs transactions or wide wallet 0 conf support? Like the bch ecosystem does
22:52:28 <merope> Wallets already "support" 0-confs: they are transactions with 0 confirmations
22:53:48 <merope> "Accepting" them means that you (the seller) decide to give your product to the buyer as soon as their unconfirmed transaction shows up in your wallet, instead of waiting for at least 1 confirmation
22:56:43 <CidadoisAncap[m]> Correct me if im wrong, but as far as i know, but monero wallets cant transact unconfirmed coins, it would be nice if we could
22:57:18 <CidadoisAncap[m]> And xmr dont have replace-by-fee feature so a double spend attack isnt possible
22:57:31 <CidadoisAncap[m]> God, i hope monero never deploys RBF
22:59:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> CidadoisAncap[m]: Monero has to be confirmed or else ring members can be invalidated 
23:00:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> There is interest in lowering the lock time from 10 confirmations to something higher than 3 but lower than 10, based on likelyhood of a 3 block deep reorg
23:03:17 <CidadoisAncap[m]> So, monero 0 conf only exists if the seller decides to give the product for the uncofirmed transaction?
23:08:11 <NorrinRadd> CidadoisAncap[m] that's how most understand it to work with other currencies also 
23:08:36 <CidadoisAncap[m]> Cool
23:09:55 <CidadoisAncap[m]> <CidadoisAncap[m]> "So, monero 0 conf only exists if..." <- Last question, just to make sure, is this model safe? Is the seller vulnerable to some sort of attack if they accept an xmr unconfirmed transaction as valid?
23:10:11 <CidadoisAncap[m]> I know that btc suffer from double spending caused by rbf
23:11:41 <NorrinRadd> there's slight risk but nowhere near as much risk as sellers face when they accept VISA & Mastercard due to their chargebacks
23:11:47 <Rucknium[m]> xmr.to operated for years on zero-conf and never lost a piconero AFAIK
23:11:52 <NorrinRadd> it's a low percentage risk; i forget the exact number
23:14:02 <NorrinRadd> the ceo (i think) of bitrefill, Sergej, just recently posted last week that they've lost 2 transactions over about 5 years due to zero-conf (out of millions of transactions), on the btc mailing list 
23:14:39 <CidadoisAncap[m]> NorrinRadd: Cool
23:14:41 <CidadoisAncap[m]> 🗿
23:15:02 <CidadoisAncap[m]> Next step: aggressive monero retail adoption
23:15:04 <CidadoisAncap[m]> 🗿
23:18:21 <merope> Great, so what's your plan for aggressively pushing retail shops in your area to accept monero?
23:19:33 <merope> Make sure you post your methods AND results in detail, so that others can follow your example in their own local communities if you're successful
23:23:01 <CidadoisAncap[m]> merope: I have no idea🗿
23:24:05 <CidadoisAncap[m]> Thank you guys for answering my questions and doubts
23:25:27 <NorrinRadd> step #1: just ask