00:44:34 <Torr> gnuteardrops[m]: Beautiful wallpaper buddy.
00:54:58 <Torr> DanIsnotthemanBr: Do u consider Nym a Xmr competitor? I don't know much about it, but it seems like its token is secondary to the project, where the mixnet'd be the focus.
01:51:17 <luigi1112> if anyone is missing payment plz let me know
02:38:03 <danoneil[m]> https://t.me/+PEc8FSRwFiFiYzc0
12:02:46 <devduck[m]> what payment ?
12:08:05 <plowsof> from the CCS (sometimes people forget to ask / suffer in silence) :( 
15:00:32 <plowsof> Meeting this Saturday 5th 16:00UTC https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/747
15:10:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Moon should already be closed 😮‍💨
15:12:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> hopefully Hinto can chime in regarding maintenance / updates
15:15:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> And community highlights "monero moon" weekly syndication hasnt been released in 60days
15:31:17 <plowsof> hinto has modified the proposal to include 'free maintenance as in free beer' https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/350/diffs?commit_id=80235d6847679b67f76c07e7c6a83b6f1e262e42 - thus signing his contract with the devil 
15:45:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🤦‍♂️
15:46:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> 12 months Lolz. Not perhaps 1 day, perhaps infinity
15:48:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> 12 month of updates should be guaranteed at 25% of the ccs.. not free for however long he feels like it. hinto @hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org: 
15:49:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> If 25 xmr isnt enough to secure "very minimal" for 12 months. . 
15:51:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hinto also adds a caveat that directly implies that he wont guarantee his continued supporting 
15:51:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> "There will be documentation on everything, so even without my direct help, it will hopefully be easy for users to use and/or help each other out."
15:52:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> And with it being "free" its literally trusting his word. His word is "maybe i will, maybe I Wont". Can you clear up please, hinto @hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org: 
16:39:58 <plowsof> with there being 1 milestone - when it comes to pay day - we can say ' this documentation sucks, everything is broken, no moneroj for you' and he has paused his other proposal - a bad performance here will veto that one, and any other possible future projects (he created a vanity address generator written in Rust that , checks notes, is cpu only and vastly superior to its predecessor https://github.com/hinto-janaiyo/monero-vanity )
16:39:58 <plowsof> he's got talent   
16:43:09 <DiegoSalazar[m]> I think you're being overly charitable to the community. 
16:43:38 <DiegoSalazar[m]> You do the hours, you get the money. If things need to be reworked or redone, that's fine. But you shouldn't withhold pay for it. 
16:56:55 <plowsof> we are currently withholding pay from another contributor who has done work on a group project (but needs their teammate to get it over the finish line) so there is a precedent of withholding pay if the community is not happy 
17:03:51 <plowsof> it is indeed a slippery slope. with regular updates / someone checking on progress / clear milestones, we shouldn't get to that stage. If work / hours are done and you achieve your milestone you get paid. The funds are donations from community members who want results, no one cares about our feelings ☹️ 
17:09:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> <plowsof> "we are currently withholding pay..." <- This is not withholding oay
17:10:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Pay was to be paid when the milestone was completed. Not when the milestone was attempted to be changed from the agreemenr
17:11:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> <plowsof> "with there being 1 milestone..." <- Im are you referring to gupax? 
17:12:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> If the job is completed as described, the payment is sent. Which is why in asking for the job description to include 12 months of maintenance for 25% if the ccs amount
17:18:40 <plowsof> maintaining will be so trivial that its provided for free , he doesn't want to charge for it , otherwise he would add maintenance on top, for me this is enough (he's risking his future success now by stating it in his proposal)
17:33:41 <plowsof> p2pool 2.5 released https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/releases/tag/v2.5 
17:54:37 <devduck[m]> plowsof: instead of manually tracking everyproject, get a rss reader and add rss feed of concerned github repo to your reader.. so you can easily track them :)
17:56:03 <devduck[m]> <plowsof> "with there being 1 milestone..." <- i would suggest anyone aginst using it, don't use homemade wallet address generator.
17:56:40 <devduck[m]> only use audited tools if it involes financial and security risk.
17:59:21 <plowsof> where do i subscribe to the 'research computing upgrade' repository 😁
18:02:27 <devduck[m]> search on google "github repo rss feed" 
18:02:37 <plowsof> im subscribed the the ccs gitlab (this helps alot for seeing new comments/updates) thanks for the suggestion, e.g. atomic swap gui github -> i should be subscribed to that
18:03:26 <devduck[m]> which OS are you using?
18:05:14 <plowsof> i need to "watch" all relevant github repos (i use arch btw) (i don't)   
18:11:41 <plowsof> sometimes you have to manually search though, e.g. new animated videos proposer randomly puts a reddit comment saying theyre going to begin https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/xgqfdd/comment/it1nfdb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
18:21:24 <monerobull[m]> I subscribe to  monero, GUI, haveno and serai releases
18:21:53 <monerobull[m]> Also the monero subreddit 
18:49:42 <DanIsnotthemanBr> This is the way
20:59:52 <NorrinRadd> dope website: https://monero-adoption.org/
21:00:04 <NorrinRadd> what did i miss?