02:13:13 <escapethe3ra[m]> https://monero.observer/cypherpunk-transmission-005-contribute-monero-anonymously/
02:25:56 <escapethe3ra[m]> <plowsof[m]> ""Bring the liquidity of around 5..." <- will contact to confirm, thanks
06:00:18 <n1oc> Gupax: GUI for P2Pool+XMRig is now fully funded! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/gupax.html
06:56:11 <monerobull[m]> Nice 
11:11:24 <Guest84> Hello guys, someone know how much user there are for monero GUI ? or how many download
11:21:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> 112
12:13:52 <plowsof> endor00 i've requested you to share your progress so far with all your SoloptXMR milestones 
12:42:56 <monerobull[m]> Do we not have download statistics?
12:45:41 <plowsof> related issue here : https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/1085 (someone trusted enough with root access to getmonero has to set it up) 
12:47:07 <plowsof> or Dan Miller knows another reason why its not fixed (im assuming its 'waiting for someone that has access to do something') 
12:52:49 <plowsof> or requires CCS funding? 
13:40:45 <monerobull[m]> https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2022/11/15/privacy-enhancing-crypto-coins-could-be-banned-under-leaked-eu-plans/
13:41:18 <monerobull[m]> sgp: we need the policy group
14:10:00 <monerobull[m]> in other news, p2pool at 8.5% 🎉
14:32:55 <DataHoarder> monerobull[m]: 8.92%, main + mini, see https://p2pool.observer/ vs https://mini.p2pool.observer/
14:34:57 <monerobull[m]> Lovely 
14:37:26 <DataHoarder> total reported weekly miners (miners with at least one share seen last week) is 812 + 1726 = 2538 for both p2pool
14:38:31 <DataHoarder> or well "last week" last PPLNS windows to be equivalent to "a week"
14:39:25 <DataHoarder> see https://p2pool.observer/miners?weekly and https://mini.p2pool.observer/miners?weekly
14:52:17 <DanMiller[m]> Plowsof last i heard the holdup on stats was privacy. Get in touch in a few hours and we'll figure it out 
15:02:32 <plowsof> ah yes, 'actively monitoring' users of getmonero could be seen as suspicious behaviour 
15:11:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Depends if you have a nice watch or not
15:11:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> If so, its seen as taboo to speak ill of
15:16:13 <Rucknium[m]> IMHO, you need a compelling reason to compile these stats. We can already see the volume of user activity on the blockchain itself.
15:17:52 <sgp[m]> <monerobull[m]> "sgp: we need the policy group" <- #monero-policy:monero.social ! Kickstart a conversation there
15:19:12 <monerobull[m]> <plowsof> "ah yes, 'actively monitoring..." <- Isn't it trivial to count the number of downloads without collecting other data?
15:21:58 <Rucknium[m]> Even aggregate download count over time could be useful to an adversary.
15:23:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you dont collect data, you cent ve compelled to give it uo
15:23:36 <Rucknium[m]> Also could be useful for MRL, but there are no compelling reasons that spring to mind.
15:25:18 <nioc> and on IRC it's #monero-policy
15:25:35 <nioc> ok I will now speak in granpy's voice
15:25:39 <Rucknium[m]> Or we don't have the resources right now to figure out a good plan for how to use those stats for good. Cake gives their week-to-week percent change download stats sometimes. That may be a rough estimate for new Monero wallet downloads.
15:25:58 <nioc> WEN BRIDGE FOR #MONERO
15:26:12 <nioc> *grampy's
15:26:48 <nioc> I will pay for successful bridging 
15:29:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero-community-dev:monero.social  too Diego Salazar:  any help with this?
15:31:58 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Both Justin and I have emailed and messaged matrix.org to no response. 
15:32:06 <DiegoSalazar[m]> I really don't know what we can do at this point. 
15:32:12 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Maybe everyone emails them and floods them?
15:36:11 <spacekitty420[m]> wait, what's the issue with matrix.org? any tldr?
15:40:41 <nioc> DiegoSalazar[m]: since the issue seems to be because the size of the room is over 200, would starting new rooms that are bridged from when they are created work?
16:11:35 <nioc> damn spacekitty420[m] called me a retard in another channel  <3
16:12:01 <spacekitty420[m]> :3
16:13:09 <spacekitty420[m]> we all retards
16:13:09 <spacekitty420[m]> like, compared to AI, we literally soooo retarded
16:13:09 <spacekitty420[m]> and someone who thinks isnt a retard is just someone that may or may not be a bit less retarded than someone else but still being retarded o.o
17:03:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Speak for yourself 
17:03:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> I am an ai bot
17:25:38 <spacekitty420[m]> plowsof: u in wrong channel btw for the seraphis wallet thingy, idk if coming forward there'll be votes or somethin which looking at the logs adding an 👌 or thumbsup or whatever does write "+1" on the irc side, those are not forwarded to the room you're in tho, there's a link to the proper one in the description where u at
17:26:01 <plowsof> 😭 thank you 
17:54:28 <chesterfield[m]> I just tried upgrading my Monero wallet with the xmrseraphiswallet.com tool and I can’t seem to get it to work. I entered my seed phrase and it definitely moved the funds out of the wallet but I can’t seem to access the new wallet
17:54:28 <chesterfield[m]> Please help me
17:54:28 <chesterfield[m]> Okay just kidding hope everyone is having a great Tuesday
18:02:25 <monerobull[m]> <chesterfield[m]> "I just tried upgrading my Monero..." <- Silly you, it's seraphis-hardfork.com 
18:05:54 * RavFX[m] uploaded an image: (2KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/0wnz.at/llEiuVpQeNHnfQeWWLeChXAc/image.png >
18:15:02 <RavFX[m]> Trick is to register domains dev post as jokes and make a site that upgrade wallet to seraphis when you post seed
18:17:24 <rbrunner> spacekitty420[m]: Those "+1" in the meeting log that you see where we had some reactions on the Matrix side were inserted by me manually, to avoid info loss, so to say.
18:17:38 <rbrunner> Unfortunately it's not automatic, the bridge is not that clever.
18:23:57 <nioc> rbrunner: as the one who made the comment about rolling cow eyes, I would like to say that I have always admired the way that you communicate which stems from the respect you give others as you truly listen to them
18:24:35 <rbrunner> Well, thanks.
18:24:54 <rbrunner> And as I said already: No offense taken, it has brought me forward :)
18:56:15 <merope> <plowsof> "endor00 i've requested you to..." <- Thank you for the ping, I'm preparing a detailed response
19:40:42 <nioc> monerobull[m]: spacekitty420[m] the policy channel has historically been people working on policy papers and similar work   
19:40:52 <nioc> it has been somewhat quiet there recently  
19:40:56 <nioc> no idea how they feel about people "shooting the breeze" 
19:41:39 <monerobull[m]> we are discussing "policy related" topics, right?
19:42:44 <nioc> just giving context, I am not judging 
19:42:55 <monerobull[m]> i saved it ;)
20:54:42 <spacekitty420[m]> nioc: u just mad cause u was called a retard earlier o.o
21:17:31 <nioc> spacekitty420[m]: https://suchwow.xyz/uploads/D0JkOGagvN8_5B3d-Mental-Disorder.png
21:22:16 <nioc> our friend mj https://github.com/MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund/issues/21
21:44:38 <franck_> hello, excuse me but I'm having an issue with monero-cli and ledger ; xmr ledger app v.1.8 ; tried with monero-wallet-cli monero-debian (v 0.18) and monero-wallet-cli v 0.18.1.2 got on getmonero.org :  didn't work.
21:45:37 <franck_> found on reddit that I should try with v. 0.17.2 (or something like this), but I can't figure where to find it. 
21:45:59 <franck_> What would be the best way ?
21:47:22 <selsta> don't try with v0.17
21:47:44 <selsta> the network is on v0.18 so using v0.17 won't work
21:47:59 <selsta> you have to be more clear what the issue is
21:48:08 <selsta> exact error message for example
21:51:12 <franck_> v. 0.18.1.2  downloaded on getmonero.org : 
21:51:15 <franck_> monero-wallet-cli --generate-from-device bla --subaddress-lookahead 3:100
21:51:27 <franck_> Error: failed to generate new wallet: No device found
21:51:38 <franck_> v. 0.18  (debian sid) :
21:51:46 <franck_> monero-wallet-cli --generate-from-device bla --subaddress-lookahead 3:100
21:52:16 <franck_> Error: échec de la génération du nouveau portefeuille : Monero Ledger App doesn't support current monero version. Try to update the Mone
21:52:19 <franck_> ro Ledger App, at least 1.6.0 is required.
21:52:49 <franck_> (do you want me to re-run second one with LC_ALL=C ?)
21:52:59 <selsta> the version in debian sid seems too old
21:54:09 <franck_> the 0.18.1.2 makes the monero on ledger app quits after entering the password and quits with the error I pasted
21:54:36 <selsta> it quits on the ledger?
21:54:38 <franck_> "no device found"
21:54:38 <selsta> it has to stay open
21:54:47 <franck_> yes, it quits on ledger
21:55:04 <franck_> and crash the monero-cli with "no device found"
21:56:14 <selsta> which ledger firmware do you have?
21:56:21 <franck_> wait !
21:56:46 <selsta> I've never heard the monero app on your ledger crashing
21:56:50 <franck_> i had open the ledger live after trying and failing with debian version
21:57:03 <franck_> i just closed ledger live
21:57:03 <selsta> ledger live has to be closed
21:57:07 <franck_> seems to work 
21:57:13 <selsta> otherwise it interferes
21:57:55 <franck_> please excuse me for my mistake, made you lose your time. 
21:58:18 <franck_> thank you very much for having helping :)
21:58:43 <selsta> ok glad it's working
22:18:25 <franck_>  I would have an other question... If i run "monerod" with userA and monero-wallet-cli with userB (on the same computer), is it ok or will it create problem with mining (i enabled mining when i created the wallet, 10 minutes ago)
22:19:53 <franck_> (btw, it "not being able to connect to the daemon ; was it because daemon is run by another user, or because it was "monerod" from debian so v 0.18 ... ?)
22:39:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its ok
22:39:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Debian version is incompatible with ledger / hardware wallets
22:39:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Min v18.1
22:42:51 <franck_> ran monerod 0.18.1.2 : everything seems to work :)
22:45:04 <franck_> If I wanted to run the "monerod" from another local computer, is "copy-paste" (or rsync) of the .bitmonero directory would be ok and would work, or do I have to sync from the blockchain again the 140 Gb ? Or should I pass by an "export-import" ?
22:51:56 <selsta> copying the .bitmonero dir works
22:52:05 <selsta> or just the data.mdb
22:52:09 <franck_> great :)
22:52:10 <selsta> no need for export -> import
22:54:16 <franck_> backspace not working here in monero-wallet-cli :/
22:57:26 <selsta> franck_: what is the output of echo $TERM ?
22:57:41 <selsta> and is this the getmonero.org version or the debian version?
22:58:01 <franck_> screen-256color
22:58:22 <franck_> v 0.18.1.2 : getmonero.org
22:58:44 <franck_> i apt-get remove debian outdated version
22:59:11 <selsta> linux rxvt vt100 xterm xterm-256color screen screen.linux screen.rxvt screen.xterm-new screen.xterm-256color
22:59:14 <selsta> these are the ones that should work
22:59:57 <franck_> as i use urxvt... with color...
23:00:00 <franck_> and tmux
23:00:09 <franck_> i'll try screen.rxvt
23:02:12 <franck_> works :) Thank you selsta !
23:04:01 <merope> plowsof posted, please ping me on matrix if there are any questions/responses (it seems I'm not getting any email notifications from monero's gitlab, not even in spam)
23:12:17 <plowsof> Thanks (also getting no notifs. from gitlab) 
23:14:14 <merope> (I mean, I'll be monitoring this myself too, but an extra ping never hurts :) )
23:44:52 <plowsof> before i continue reading the part directed toward mj i would like to commend you endor00 for the so far, measured response and engaging with the community/meetings
23:54:39 <spacekitty420[m]> plowsof: where the drama at? o.o
23:54:45 <spacekitty420[m]> 🍿
23:56:39 <plowsof> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/299#note_19485 🐈️
23:57:03 <spacekitty420[m]> tyty 😽