01:11:43 endor00: so https://github.com/home-assistant/core seems to be opensource, they have a doc on how to install it on raspberry pi and other thingies but mj considering it like those closed source iot thingies? like does it call home and whatnot maybe? or he extra :tinfoil:? 01:12:14 endor00: ^ 01:12:28 thought you was on irc side lol 04:49:02 First, the HomeAssistant integration idea is fantastic. Idk what mj’s issue with it is. Second, the fact that he surreptitiously slipped in the mining fee without even discussing it is not only wrong because he’s making a tool for the Monero community, which in turn is paying him via CCS. If he were doing it for free (no CCS), then sure he can put whatever code he wants into XMRig. Taking mining fees without publicizing 04:49:02 it on top of the CCS payment is just slimy. And then the drama with endor just makes it all that much worse. 04:50:58 can just manually remove the fee and recompile but true that not even mentioning it at all is odd specially while already choosing his own salary with ccs 04:52:23 spacekitty420[m]: Yeah mj knows most users will not notice the fee and/or will not know how to self compile. That’s why he slid it in there. 04:52:28 however, now with p2pool, it's even cheaper fee to mine so i guess there's that too, being all like, all thigns should balances out or somethin 05:02:32 LoL, nobody should be surprised 05:02:33 luigi1111: 05:02:33 I hope you got my msg 05:02:33 The mining fee is the least of the issues. Glad nobody notices the elephants in the rooms 05:02:46 Makes it easy for scammers to scam 05:04:39 > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> The originally ccs says 05:04:39 the lack of audit to the code? 05:04:39 > 05:04:39 > Should Endor not make it until the deadline, I guarantee, that I will finalize the project by myself until the coming winter. 05:04:39 ^^ 05:05:01 The fact he wants to get paid and leave before completion, repeatedly, 05:05:38 He tried the same a month ago 05:05:52 And did the same with his dev ccs 05:05:52 what i didnt get is that few days ago they seems to be okay with mj being paid in full for M4 and endor paid in full for M3 05:05:53 Billed 6 hours for counting his hours 05:06:01 but now mj also wants that M3 05:06:14 Billed time for changing Github > Github 05:06:17 s/seems/seemed/ 05:06:26 His optimization pr had to ve rolled bacl 05:06:39 Guy ran as fast as he could as soon as he got called out 05:06:48 Mj getting nothing 05:07:09 Endor can open a new ccs to complete the project 05:07:10 spacekitty420[m]: No. 05:07:24 Endor was ok with it. But milestones dont work like that 05:07:33 If you claim this is your project 05:07:46 And you will finish it regardless of endor, you finish m3 first 05:09:17 Optional? You claimed you would complete it. He also requested early pay for his half of m3 05:09:17 to be fair tho, just looking at that graph: 05:09:17 https://github.com/mj-xmr/solOptXMR/graphs/contributors 05:09:17 can also get his side i guess 05:09:18 And solopt doesnt _work_, as per endor. 05:09:18 No. Scamjay isnt getting paid 05:09:18 You dont get to rape the cow, come back and do it agaib 05:09:33 As I said and as endor said 05:09:54 Fixing the same spelling mistake 10 times isnt writing code 05:09:54 😹 05:09:59 Mj is king shit when it cones to faking your hours 05:10:14 "What did mj fix with his hundreds of xmr" 05:10:15 Nothing 05:10:28 When he was a monero "dev" 05:10:40 You remember ooo? Why do you think mj ran away 05:10:45 He got exposed 05:11:22 And instead of not pulling the same shit, he does it again, quietly, win merge requests 05:12:13 Hoping Luigi just pays him to shut him up 05:12:13 speaking of, is ooo still around? seems like there wasnt much drama lately 05:12:13 s/not/_not_/, s/win/with/ 05:12:13 If this is a charity, in accepting donations luigi1111: 05:12:14 Im 05:12:21 He's around 05:12:54 Waiting for us to do some dumb shit so he can kick in the doors, flip the table and all that 05:13:01 He's also working on bp+ 05:13:03 + 05:13:29 hi 05:13:30 hes recharging 05:13:31 While mj wants to shoot him 05:13:40 According to mj, im ooo 😆 05:13:44 kinghat[m]: what recharging 05:14:12 for his next battles 05:14:17 ofrnxmr[m]: and according to myself u plowsof too 05:14:23 Ooo spammed for like 3 months straight. Guy runs on nicotine, caffiene and cocaine or something 05:14:28 im new on android, suggest me some foss interedting apps, im paranoid 05:14:42 ofrnxmr[m]: am fucking dying rn 😹 05:14:43 Fdroid devduck: 05:14:58 done 05:14:59 more 05:15:10 What u tryna do 05:15:35 Rpc commands? Write code? Run a node? Porn? 05:15:35 devduck[m]: . 05:15:49 first off would be getting rid of the gapps, grapheneOS if with a pixel or lineageOS or whatever on the other phones 05:15:55 then fdroid instead of google store 05:16:06 spacekitty420[m]: This is number one 05:16:18 Then use ALTs from fdroid instead of whatever was installed on your phokeb 05:16:26 Notepad, recorder, gallery etc 05:16:45 Shelter for work app isolation 05:17:42 removed gapps 05:17:51 im paranoid 05:17:55 Devduck what are you looking for 05:18:00 -_- 05:18:10 foss apps, interstjng apps 05:18:13 killswitch 05:18:23 software killswitch are a myth 05:18:30 defense agaknst wrench attack 05:18:46 a helmet? 05:18:48 plausibls deniability 05:18:56 spacekitty420[m]: A gun? 05:19:00 spacekitty420[m]: haha 05:19:27 irc client for android 05:19:43 Revolution or whatever its called 05:19:59 App manager for installing apps 05:20:06 Shows when cuck bastards add tracking 05:20:29 app manager or packags manager 05:20:29 App manager 05:20:43 ofrnxmr[m]: thTs xmpp client isnt it? 05:20:46 #monero:monero.social is probably s better place for this 05:23:00 I was busy being absolutely amazed that there is any conversation surrounding allowing the ridiculous surrounding mj to continue. Mj wants to say its a conspiracy if he doesnt get paid. 05:23:09 Its not a conspiracy. Its common sense and he knows it 05:23:59 Tell me youre on drugs, without telling me its crack 05:23:59 it's 100% conspiracy and you know it, tryna slid into luigi's dm to conspire like a bunch of conspirators :hyperthonk: 05:23:59 🍿 05:24:13 I never DM him 05:24:43 I made my point clear 100x and what happened last time was YOLO guy got paid 05:24:54 nvm then, u was pinging him about a message and assumed it was a dm x) 05:24:55 When he obviously lied and downtown earn his last milestone 05:29:58 Didnt* 05:29:59 Mj claims my vote doesnt count 05:29:59 He left community and refuses to come to meetings 05:29:59 And he says im 10 people 05:29:59 Basically, dont listen to anybody what doesnt agree with him thinking Github > GitHub is actual work 05:29:59 Claims he reviewed 7760 05:29:59 Guy just shitposted all over it, and threatened to shoot the author 05:29:59 Still got paid selsta rates for dog fucking 05:30:00 But but but.. rotteeeennn. Its ok if mj does it though. And hes so entitled he can get paid without following through. Repeatedly. What a joke 05:30:00 And hes not in here 🤷‍♂️ but I made him leave 05:30:01 Not my fault he ran away when I called him out 05:30:01 Ran to Reddit to gather support 🫠 like facts care about your feelings 05:30:02 Rant over 05:30:35 big rant, here's a cookie: 05:30:35 iirc nobody reviewing his code said it was pointless or of low quality. 05:30:36 🍪 05:30:36 and some choccy milk: 05:30:36 Tldr. Mj said he would finish the ccs himself 05:30:36 🥛 05:31:39 kinghat[m]: 🍿maybe not that you read 05:31:39 other than ooo 05:31:39 Ooo definitely did 😆 and many others as well 05:32:29 A lot of people dont want to speak out 05:32:51 But endors latest comment sums up what most of us know 05:33:26 And I didnt hear it from Endor. I had seen these things for months and months 05:34:09 Like the shitposting on 7760 claiming he reviewed it on his dev report 05:34:26 i didnt read it. i only glance at this chat when i should be doing something else. 05:35:49 s/read/see/ 05:37:22 and to check in and see if ooos back 05:45:50 "defense agaknst wrench attack" <- oh wait i just remember, rayatina the other day might have linked what u looking for 05:45:50 thought u was talking about killswitch in the sense to disable things like wifi, camera and such 05:45:50 but if looking for something that deletes data, there was a link posted yesterday or so 05:48:28 "they're called wasted sentry and..." <- devduck: ^ 05:58:22 On fdroidb 05:58:23 ty 05:58:23 "Ripple is also one" <- ^ 05:59:07 tell me some cool apps to use on android 05:59:20 what apps you have 06:00:31 i dont use smartphone, only have dumb phone 06:01:55 revolution ircisnt updated 06:12:01 "tell me some cool apps to use on..." <- Lots 06:17:36 like 06:18:00 i installed tmux tor duckduckgo syphon 06:18:46 signal woreguard 06:24:45 devduck[m] you found an app for plausible deniability / defense against wrench attack? 06:25:01 Duckduckgo trash 06:25:01 "i installed tmux tor duckduckgo..." <- u seen that documentary "2000 mules"?... (full message at ) 06:25:10 also wouldnt trust duckduckgo anymore 06:25:11 Signal. .. meh 06:25:21 ofrnxmr[m]: jinx 06:25:56 signal is dope 06:26:13 just need pub keys instead of phone numbers 06:30:58 NorrinRadd: Its really not though. Source code has historically laged behind releases. Session has released signal blobs as well, with no source to be found 06:30:58 Aegis... (full message at ) 06:30:58 Session fdroid should be clean, but relies on lokinet which is likely far less. .. decentralized than yor 06:30:58 And session stores messages which magically reappear after deletion. 06:30:58 .... #monero:monero.social android apps dont belong in this chst 06:34:58 ofrnxmr[m] what's more secure than signal? your primary issue with it is that they lag when they release the source? 06:35:20 Or dont release it at all ^ 06:36:14 Pulled the app from fdroid etc. Molly is a clean version of signal 06:40:49 Pulled from fdroid via legal measures... not "removed from fdroid" but banned anyone from submitting it 06:59:19 im wlrried to insta monerujo 07:00:01 on pc i had feather wallet on hidden volume 07:28:42 worried why? devduck[m] 07:35:08 ofrnxmr: on the other end tho... he wasnt totally wrong about saying its a way to move the dollar... (full message at ) 07:38:40 Rabbit hole goes a lot deeper than that 07:38:40 That assumes that usd vs other fiat is stable or that all dnm exit and enter fiat 07:39:56 right, by dollar i meant fiat in general (so including euro, i think the ratio xmr/usd would always be proportional to the xmr/eur ratio) 07:40:20 A loaf of breed might be 2usd or 0.015 xmr 07:40:20 but if that loaf of breed was 07:40:20 2usd aka 2EUR yesterday and 5 EUR today, the xmr value is still 0.015 07:40:41 like even if eur lost a bunch of value compared to usd, the ratio will still be proportional when comparing to a 3rd value 07:41:18 wait nvm, i think i brain fart LOLK 07:41:18 Exactly, and that third value is not always usd 07:42:09 Every exchange rate is different and usd is backed by nothing. There is no way to peg xmr to usd 07:42:54 18m xmr and an ever inflating usd supply 07:42:55 You can devalue xmr and pretend like its only worth the usd value, but then youd run out of xmr 07:43:43 anyways. those merchants still using fiat as their point of reference because on the short/mid-term it's somewhat stable, even if inflation is natural 07:43:43 it's like for example gold, price doesnt fluctuates as much cause it's arleady so big and have that massive market cap in comparison to the whole cryptomarket combined which is still so smol 07:44:13 Just about every producer has to convert to fiat at some point 07:44:33 profit does not require conversion 07:46:54 not everyone has to convert to fiat, sure down the line A sending to B sending to C sending to D... maybe F would convert 07:46:54 but A, B and C maybe they won't have to convert any of that like ever 07:47:28 If I have a farm, I can sell you all the chickens I want for xmr. I still have to pay for my licenses in dollars. I can use the xmr from the chickens to buy feed, cows whatever, but I cant pay my taxes or buy fuel with it 07:48:06 right 07:49:01 fucking taxes eh.... 😹 07:49:06 And even if the state accepts xmr, they will convert it to fiat. 07:49:06 The only answer is to have governments run on xmr 07:49:23 To ditch the dollar completely 07:49:56 If I can buy your whole supply, then reprint double the money.. well.. I just fucked ya 07:50:03 Sounds like the plot of a lost Ayn Rand novel... 07:50:37 John Galt begins new government with xmr as currency 07:51:09 John Galt = ofrnxmr's other other alt 07:51:11 hahaha 07:51:24 "This is ofrxmr speaking..." 10:08:58 "worried why? devduck..." <- people can steal it from my phone 10:09:06 while on pc i had it on hidden volume 10:09:20 also anonero app gives parsing error 10:10:13 testing that anonero app, any feedback would be cool 10:10:27 after the shruum wallet thing 10:11:51 it's mostly telegram now,. 10:11:54 idk 10:13:43 things get lost in translation with all the gifs and emojis, but https://t.me/anonero 10:17:06 and it's noon and midnight somewhere on the planet. at the same time 10:20:54 here, 10:20:56 https://マリウス.com/ 10:41:37 "endor00: so https://github.com/..." <- I think he's referring to the fact that some IoT hardware forces you to go through the manufacturer's/some third party service in order to interact with it. So even though HomeAssistant and the integration itself are open, the data still has to go through that service. But like I said: not all hardware is like that, and nobody is forced to use it 10:44:38 And also, it's completely outside of the scope of the project. The goal is to give people who already have (or are planning) such setups to add smart mining on top of it as an extra feature, and not to force them to design their entire setup around SolOptXMR 13:29:46 In long term won't PoS and PoW both effectively lead to centralization and governments controlling the money supply like it was before with gold? 13:35:31 That's one of the advantages of asic-resistance: you use common hardware to mine, so it cannot be restricted 13:35:55 Unless you wanna stop everyone everywhere from ever buying any device with a cpu in it 13:45:01 I read about that but didn't get it. Isn't having a more powerful CPU advantageous? 13:45:01 Also, the question arose after I imagined a perfect world where all tech issues were solved and monero became a national currency which is convenient to use. In this world govs will most likely concentrate moneroj via taxes, banking and everything else we've already seen to this day besides also mining it. 13:50:27 esac212: You have to define what you mean by "controlling the money supply" before having a conversation like this. 13:54:29 probably huge government mining farms getting 51% 13:54:33 is what he means 14:02:09 Yes, like a centralized farm that makes mining by individuals pointless 14:03:37 esac212: I see no definition of controlling the money supply. 14:05:13 Do you mean owning a certain percentage of Monero (or BTC)? Determining the rate of change of the money supply in circulation? Dictating reserve requirements on XMR/BTC banks? Performing a 51% attack to roll back transactions? 14:05:16 ASICs were a mistake 14:05:57 One of the things I love about Monero is that it's ASIC resistant 14:06:24 "probably huge government..." <- CBDC with extra steps 14:08:57 Katie[m]: Asics were a natural consequence. There's a direct financial incentive for their creation, and when that incentive gets big enough, someone will eventually go for it 14:09:16 Yep 14:09:33 Allowing ASICs was the worst part of Bitcoin 14:10:34 There's no such thing as "allowing" or "disallowing" them 14:11:38 Hell, you could build a RandomX asic, if you really wanted to. But the (relatively) small performance gains you could expect from it make it a very bad investment choice 14:11:53 (Small, compared to other hashing algorithms) 14:25:56 Rucknium: With a huge farm that mines most of the new moneroj the one can decide when to release them effectively controlling the money supply. However, the mining rate is fixed and publicly known so that's not probably not a problem. I forgot that 51℅ allows to do everything you want with the block chain, so such centralized farm is an epic fail in any case 14:27:04 esac212: You're wrong on the 51% attack effects. Do some research 14:28:24 And if one entity was mining 100% of the XMR hashpower, it would take over ten years for them to acquire just 10% of the current supply. Monero happened to have a pretty fast initial emission curve. And now we're at tail emission. 14:29:15 A 51% attack would damage Monero (and BTC) a lot, but an attacker cannot do whatever they want. 14:35:03 `Monero happened to have a pretty fast initial emission curve.` Not quite pre-mining, but close. 16:59:26 we set up a Monerujo public room at https://matrix.to/#/#monerujo:monero.social for those interested. 17:01:08 **Are you a freelancer that accepts XMR? List yourself in the new XMR.Directory freelancer section** 17:01:09 Visit https://xmr.directory/add-merchant and submit your website along with a brief message describing your services. 17:01:09 If you have a business that accepts Monero, and it's not yet listed I also encourage you to submit it. 17:09:40 Hey, I volunteer to hold a presentation on Monerocon 2023, after being invited by monerobull. 17:25:49 parsing error 17:25:49 "things get lost in translation..." <- hi anonero app unable to install 17:30:46 "devduck: ^" <- thanks exactly this 17:30:47 all wasted, duress and sentry looks same 17:30:47 any difference? 20:45:01 Hey guys, just letting you know Trocador.app is not working today thanks to Njal.la poor performance. 20:45:01 We'll deploy it again on another better server provider 20:45:01 Just found out now, but will fix it asap 21:12:09 Morpheus: FWIW, my Njalla VPSes are up. I can recommend 1984.is for more stable uptime 21:18:06 Yes, it's like the fourth time we have a whole day offiline because of njalla 21:18:06 Really sad 21:18:34 how about setting up load balancing with different vps providers? 21:18:55 so that it gets that redundancy in case one goes down 21:19:10 Feather Wallet also had uptime issues with Njalla 21:19:42 Yes, we'll do it now, set up several mirrors 21:33:20 I would get dedicated server, it's not more then 150/200 USD monthly for medium specs 21:33:52 you can run several VMs there for separate tasks 21:52:26 Hello, I sent monero, from my monero, to a portable version of monero, 1 transaction has not arrived for a month, and the second 3 days, where could it hang? 21:53:10 ewwe4e3[m] have you viewed the transction ids on a block explorer? 21:53:37 ewwe4e3: Are you on the latest version of MyMonero? If you are on an old version, it will not work. 21:53:53 ewwe4e3[m] and as sgp[m] said, make sure the receiving wallet is fully updated and synced 21:54:06 ha what Rucknium[m] said too 21:54:21 have you viewed the transction ids on a block explorer? 21:55:02 3rd party verification that the transaction even happened 21:55:24 Rucknium[m]: YA obychno veb versiya... (full message at ) 21:57:10 NorrinRadd: Spasibo, ya pytayus' polnost'yu sinkhronizirovat', u menya udalennyy uzel 21:57:10 68 / 5 000 21:57:10 Результаты перевода 21:57:10 Thanks, I'm trying to fully sync, I have a remote node 21:58:17 My monero, https://wallet.mymonero.com/ 21:59:17 958c73fb6dfa6f832b218843dc087aef1cdbfe4f7a89817414f2cf5718ffcba0 21:59:57 Please take a look, maybe something will be clear? 22:00:44 btw don't post any view keys here. and none of your addresses 22:01:19 NorrinRadd: Good 22:02:50 ewwe4e3[m] it looks like it sent fine 22:03:50 The transaction has been confirmed on the blockchain. Your wallet is probably not synced. Sync it. 22:03:53 It just didn't come unfortunately. 22:04:56 Thanks for the replies. I'll try to fully synchronize first 22:17:42 Synchronized, one recent transaction came good. But that one is not there. Tell me, could there be a failure, that before that the wallet was on Linux, it flew off, and I downloaded it to Windows and restored it using a mimic phrase, could it freeze because of this? 22:50:38 ewwe4e3[m] ok we didn't know that part before. you moved the receiving wallet. So it's possible that you did not use the correct restore height. 22:51:21 ewwe4e3[m] you might need to restore that wallet yet again, with a restore height / date that is before any transaction you ever did from My Monero 22:53:52 Thank you, I also thought about this, that I did something wrong, I'll try to restore it.