00:00:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> (They wont need computers )
00:00:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just one of the 3 phones they carry 
00:03:34 <spacekitty420[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: people be asking me "u selling the drugs" cause dumb phone, like, there's still that stigma about dumb phones and drug dealers or somethin.... meanwhile the ones over here like they full on facebook and whatnot 😹
00:04:43 <spacekitty420[m]> like u wouldnt believe how bad their whole opsec be but they dont give no fuck, cops knows they selling, everyone know they selling and it's like whatever
00:06:37 <spacekitty420[m]> and obvi, cash paper cause nobody even uses crypto in real world, is a myth, like you gon have all those articles sayin the crimnals on the internet or whatever but it's just bs propaganda cause no one even uses cryptocoins for that 😹
00:07:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> spacekitty420[m]: They use csshapp***
00:07:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Prostitutes do too
00:07:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Opsec doesnt matter in the hood
00:07:54 <spacekitty420[m]> i did some sex work and aint using cash app....
00:09:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> You're not in usa
00:09:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Muricans
00:09:40 <spacekitty420[m]> but yea couple years ago or so cashapp seemed to be getting some adoption from online sex work and such, like on twatter and whatnot
00:09:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> I did some sex work and spacekitty never paid me
00:10:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Jk. I was paid handsomely
00:10:40 <spacekitty420[m]> then sue me o.o
00:10:40 <spacekitty420[m]> tell ur wife what it's about :3
00:11:04 <spacekitty420[m]> ur mom cray
00:13:47 <layter[m]> If anybody's interested 👀
00:13:47 <layter[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/yy5mlu/logo_hackathon/
00:13:47 <layter[m]> 🏃🏾‍♂️✌️
00:20:01 <spacekitty420[m]> > <@rayatina:monero.social> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/yy5mlu/logo_hackathon/... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/58b41c63aca25ce0aef038672a17218deb5a28ba>)
00:21:21 <layter[m]> Was it Onionr?
00:21:39 <layter[m]> > <@rayatina:monero.social> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/yy5mlu/logo_hackathon/... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/919743217e4a48373da23e68b3eaa14436d9bd82>)
00:21:50 <spacekitty420[m]> maybe, they mentioned being okay funding 1 aspect that could be helpful to monero's code or somethin but not the marketplace in itself
00:24:12 <spacekitty420[m]> /r/moonero :3
00:25:36 <monerobull[m]> Any "I'll host this" ccs goes down within 4 weeks, change my mind
00:26:08 <spacekitty420[m]> monerobull[m]: in this case that's decentralized software, no central party hosting
00:26:33 <monerobull[m]> GitHub mirror ccs was supposed to run on chia 
00:26:41 <spacekitty420[m]> c0mmando: https://nitter.net/Wolf9466/status/1569499444646940673#m
00:27:09 <monerobull[m]> rayatina: Https://Monerosupplies.com ? 
00:27:13 <monerobull[m]> I just don't beg for hosting 
00:27:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Beg, bull, beg
00:27:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dance a Lil too
00:27:44 <monerobull[m]> Never
00:28:34 <monerobull[m]> If you aren't sustainable, what the fuck are you even doing in crypto
00:30:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dw ray, Monerobull is a bull
00:30:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bulls have horns ^
00:30:55 <DanIsnotthemanBr> And big balls
00:30:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Moneromooo is the nice one
00:31:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> The bitcoinbull was castrated though, wasnt it? Hahahahahaha
00:31:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just like bitcoin
00:32:09 <spacekitty420[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: how do they make redbull now? :O
00:32:31 <monerobull[m]> Bitcoin was/is majorly propped up by stables coin minting 
00:32:58 <monerobull[m]> Didn't we just see FTX selling 90k more BTC than they had on hand?
00:34:05 <escapethe3ra[m]> https://monero.observer/meeting-log-summary-seraphis-wallet-workgroup-meeting-14-november-2022/
00:34:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> The bitcoin bull ^
00:37:18 * ofrnxmr[m] uploaded an image: (145KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/monero.social/BTZBsdOINLqmEHqLtrLETiMV/Imagepipe_587.jpg >
00:41:20 <nioc> something is missing 
00:41:29 <monerobull[m]> i was actually really bearish most of the time
00:41:47 <monerobull[m]> right now, pretty neutral 
00:42:18 <nioc> the one on wall st has shiny balls cause everyone touches them 
00:42:34 <nioc> bronze sculpture 
00:43:48 <monerobull[m]> monerobull[m]: I got the name from this https://youtu.be/VNfhIY5-63I
00:58:04 <nioc> only people left at twitter now are people with work visas
00:58:04 <Siren[m]> Idk if this has been posted before but here's some nerdcore containing Monero: https://youtu.be/n50F0gkDG2I
00:58:54 <nioc> everyone else left
00:59:15 <nioc> maybe some want to work on montero  :D
01:07:06 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Maybe you can get ex twitter mods here 🤪
01:07:15 <plowsof> can i get on the getmonero sponsors page if i sponsor the 'blue tick' for the official monero account (asking for a friend) 
01:08:27 <Siren[m]> Lmao
01:08:27 <monerobull[m]> I'll send fluffypony a 10$ steam gift card, do i get a spot on the  sponsor page then?
01:08:28 <Siren[m]> We can all be sponsors
01:10:53 <Siren[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: That monero.shopping CCS proposal guy claims to have ex FAANG employees in his team
01:11:11 <Stnby[m]> That guy is the most delusional entity to land on repo.getmonero.org
01:11:27 <plowsof> you got me 
01:11:39 <Siren[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/uploads/4aa46e759bc2c50989c4cb1a50e485ec/allofthem.png
01:14:28 <Siren[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/360#note_19552
01:15:32 <kowalabearhugs-4> <plowsof> "can i get on the getmonero..." <- The @monero account could be tweeting a bit more. New releases, CCS info, etc could be announced. 
01:20:42 <Stnby[m]> Damn better spend that money on crack than elon molluscs 
01:20:42 <plowsof> nioc tells us when ccs ideas go to funded / are fully funded here https://github.com/plowsof/scrape_ccs_fr
01:20:43 <Stnby[m]> Why don't we create mastodon (unless we already have it) thats where the tech people hang out?
01:22:16 <plowsof> we have a (not so active) #monero-twitter:monero.social room btw 
01:24:17 <DanIsnotthemanBr> <plowsof> "can i get on the getmonero..." <- 8xmr please
01:52:22 <chesterfield[m]> <Siren[m]> "https://repo.getmonero.org/..." <- I’m gonna need a source on that
01:52:23 <chesterfield[m]> Huge if true
02:12:32 <Stnby[m]> <chesterfield[m]> "I’m gonna need a source on that" <- https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/monero-payment-option-tesla.html
02:12:33 <Stnby[m]> Elon Molluscs glad that CCS failed
02:35:47 <plowsof> can't view comment on that one lol 
02:37:15 <nioc> Money was raised before that CCS went live 
02:37:32 <nioc> It's sole purpose was to pump
02:38:08 <nioc> That's not what the CCS is for 
02:38:32 <nioc> But it's "marketing"
02:39:36 <nioc> L
02:40:17 <nioc> just found a video "Learn C++ in 1 hour"
02:40:42 <nioc> CSS proposal coming tomorrow
02:41:00 <nioc> also CCS
02:49:18 <selsta> nioc new dev w0w
02:50:13 <nioc> wait, since I'm new I will need to volunteer first 
03:10:39 <plowsof> i want to ask the monero .shopping proposer if he would consider adding an extra milestone to become the president of the world and make Monero legal tender 
03:13:32 <nioc> good idea
03:45:51 <DanIsnotthemanBr> What every happened to acquiring monero.com domain?
03:49:33 <nioc> cake owns it now
03:50:26 <nioc> they said that they will sell it to core for the price that they paid for it
03:50:48 <nioc> don't think that core wants to buy it now
03:51:31 <nioc> $400k
03:54:09 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Laybuy it
04:15:39 <kowalabearhugs-4> Wasn't there a donation of nearly that amount to purchase the domain? Or was that not confirmed?
04:21:29 <devduck[m]> mf
04:21:38 <devduck[m]> inable to install anonero app
04:25:09 <devduck[m]> ??
05:17:01 <spacekitty420[m]> <Siren[m]> "https://repo.getmonero.org/..." <- reminds me of that silicon valley episode where they being all like calculating the optimized way of jerking off all of the cocks and they end up figuring a way to manage loads in dual channels or somethin 😹
05:20:29 <spacekitty420[m]> <plowsof> "i want to ask the monero ...." <- for fuck sake, erytime i read "legal tender" i just think of chicken tenders and then i hungry.....
05:27:24 <spacekitty420[m]> <spacekitty420[m]> "reminds me of that silicon..." <- https://piped.mha.fi/watch?v=P-hUV9yhqgY
09:16:49 <qwerty0x[m]> Hello friends.  I converted 24 words into 25 words (electrum/monero seed word) on the ledger device 1 week ago.  I don't mean passphrase.  My ledger device is broken.  There is no backup of 25 words (electrum/monero) and I forgot to backup 25 words.  I have 30 monero balance.  I have 24 words backup for Ledger device.  After ordering a new ledger device, can I reach my 30 monero balance with only 24 words without 25 words
09:16:49 <qwerty0x[m]> (electrum/monero words)?
09:27:05 <sech1> qwerty0x[m] try https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/11979/how-to-convert-ledger-seed-to-monero-compatible-seed-on-windows/11980#11980
09:27:24 <sech1> you don't need new Ledger if you have the original Ledger 24-word seed
09:44:38 <qwerty0x[m]> <sech1> "you don't need new Ledger if you..." <- Sir, I do not want to enter the my seed to online.  After ordering a new ledger device, can I reach my 30 monero balance with only 24 words without 25 words (electrum/monero seeds) or not?
09:57:34 <ceetee[m]> The 24 word seed generated by the ledger can be imported into a new ledger, giving you access to the original wallet and its balance.
09:57:34 <ceetee[m]> The 25 word seed you generated is basically a copy and give you access to the same wallet, but the old seed doesn't become incalid
09:57:41 <ceetee[m]> s/incalid/invalid/
09:58:32 <ceetee[m]> As a side note: Never publically disclose how many monero you have/had, this can make you a target for scams
09:59:20 <ravaar[m]> qwerty0x: maybe this can help you:
09:59:20 <ravaar[m]> https://github.com/LedgerHQ/app-monero/tree/master/tools/python
09:59:20 <ravaar[m]> You can execute it offline. I would suggest on a freshly installed linux pc
10:05:01 <qwerty0x[m]> > <@ctrej:matrix.org> The 24 word seed generated by the ledger can be imported into a new ledger, giving you access to the original wallet and its balance.
10:05:01 <qwerty0x[m]> > 
10:05:02 <qwerty0x[m]> > The 25 word seed you generated is basically a copy and give you access to the same wallet, but the old seed doesn't become invalid
10:05:02 <qwerty0x[m]> I was terribly afraid that 24 words would be invalid because I converted 24 words into 25 words (electrum/monero).  Should I be afraid?  If I convert 24 words to 25 words, can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)?
10:32:23 <sech1> yes
10:33:24 <qwerty0x[m]> sech1: Sir, did you say to my last written?
10:35:27 <qwerty0x[m]> sech1: If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer.
10:35:46 <rbrunner> Not this again ...
10:37:00 <qwerty0x[m]> rbrunner: What did you say? What do you mean?
10:37:59 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer.
10:38:08 <rbrunner> We had somebody with this exact question here already at least 2 times, for the second time actually spamming the channel in a brutal way
10:38:26 <rbrunner> I just speculate that was you, and that this may start again.
10:38:32 <qwerty0x[m]> rbrunner: No no sir. I am obsessed.
10:39:07 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
10:39:07 <qwerty0x[m]> With only 24 words or not?
10:40:54 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer.
10:41:05 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
10:41:05 <qwerty0x[m]> With only 24 words or not?
10:41:59 <qwerty0x[m]> Sir, I am an obsessive person. My brain is constantly thinking about this question. My brain is constantly thinking about this like a wheel. That's why I can't focus on software lessons. My focus is always on this. Please give clear and understandable answers.
10:41:59 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
10:41:59 <qwerty0x[m]> With only 24 words or not?
10:44:33 <monerobull[m]> hundehausen: yo how the fuck do i get your node thing running 
10:44:43 <monerobull[m]> Made a GitHub issue
11:01:22 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Didnt you spam monero dev before?
11:01:34 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Last week?
11:01:59 <spacekitty420[m]> > <@qwerty0x:matrix.org> Sir, I am an obsessive person. My brain is constantly thinking about this question. My brain is constantly thinking about this like a wheel. That's why I can't focus on software lessons. My focus is always on this. Please give clear and understandable answers.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/1e79ef1a7bb522fe051fb10e9873ee1c4f1b2896>)
11:02:43 <spacekitty420[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: yup, was like heavy spam too, full on a bunch per seconds
11:08:28 <qwerty0x[m]> Sir, I am an obsessive person. My brain is constantly thinking about this question. My brain is constantly thinking about this like a wheel. That's why I can't focus on software lessons. My focus is always on this. Please give clear and understandable answers.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/fd0bccb4dc21dc0d1e5c7bafc899e2d519283917>)
11:08:40 <qwerty0x[m]> A or B?
11:08:51 <spacekitty420[m]> C: don't do drugs
11:09:43 <qwerty0x[m]> spacekitty420[m]: Don't make fun of me.  I'm asking seriously.
11:09:51 <qwerty0x[m]> Sir, I am an obsessive person. My brain is constantly thinking about this question. My brain is constantly thinking about this like a wheel. That's why I can't focus on software lessons. My focus is always on this. Please give clear and understandable answers.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/fd0bccb4dc21dc0d1e5c7bafc899e2d519283917>)
11:09:59 <spacekitty420[m]> and i already gave you an answer the other day
11:10:04 <spacekitty420[m]> we already did that, remember?
11:10:31 <qwerty0x[m]> A or B? Last my question this question. I promise
11:10:46 <DanIsnotthemanBr> C
11:10:56 <qwerty0x[m]> Sir, I am an obsessive person. My brain is constantly thinking about this question. My brain is constantly thinking about this like a wheel. That's why I can't focus on software lessons. My focus is always on this. Please give clear and understandable answers.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/fd0bccb4dc21dc0d1e5c7bafc899e2d519283917>)
11:11:43 <qwerty0x[m]> Sir, I am an obsessive person. My brain is constantly thinking about this question. My brain is constantly thinking about this like a wheel. That's why I can't focus on software lessons. My focus is always on this. Please give clear and understandable answers.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/fd0bccb4dc21dc0d1e5c7bafc899e2d519283917>)
11:12:21 <Siren[m]> None of the above it's a superstate
11:12:21 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:12:21 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:12:21 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:12:21 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:12:58 <Siren[m]> s/superstate/superposition/
11:12:58 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:12:58 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:12:58 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:12:58 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:12:59 <qwerty0x[m]> I will ask until I am convinced.
11:13:01 <spacekitty420[m]> 25 words:
11:13:01 <spacekitty420[m]> ./monero-wallet-cli --restore-deterministic-wallet
11:13:02 <spacekitty420[m]> 24 words: ledger
11:13:02 <spacekitty420[m]> that simple
11:13:19 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:13:19 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:13:19 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:13:19 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:13:19 <qwerty0x[m]> A or B?
11:14:42 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:14:42 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:14:42 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:14:42 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?I will ask until I am convinced.
11:16:23 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:16:23 <Siren[m]> > <@qwerty0x:matrix.org> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/595bf3ac833fb49cfdcb6d4af41b673a3c341a38>)
11:16:23 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:16:23 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:16:23 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:16:24 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:16:24 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:16:24 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:16:25 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:16:35 <DanIsnotthemanBr> BanhammerMonero: Banhammer spammer^
11:16:51 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:16:51 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:16:51 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:16:51 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:16:52 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:16:52 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:16:52 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:16:53 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:16:53 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:16:54 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:16:54 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:17:07 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:17:07 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:17:07 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:17:07 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:17:07 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:17:08 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:17:08 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:17:09 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:17:09 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:17:09 <spacekitty420[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: gg
11:17:10 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:17:10 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:17:11 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:17:12 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:17:12 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:17:13 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:17:13 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:17:19 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:17:19 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:17:19 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:17:19 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:17:19 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:17:19 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:17:34 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:17:34 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:17:34 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:17:34 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:17:36 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:17:36 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:17:36 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:17:36 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:17:41 <Siren[m]> You literally have an answer, what don't you like about it 
11:17:41 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:17:41 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:17:41 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:17:41 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:17:46 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:17:46 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:17:46 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:17:46 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:17:51 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:17:51 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:17:51 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:17:51 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:17:56 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:17:56 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:17:56 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:17:56 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:18:01 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:18:01 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:18:01 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:18:01 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:18:06 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:18:06 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:18:06 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:18:06 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:18:11 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:18:11 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:18:11 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:18:11 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:18:13 <DanIsnotthemanBr> -.-
11:18:16 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:18:16 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:18:16 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:18:16 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:18:21 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:18:21 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:18:21 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:18:21 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:18:26 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:18:26 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:18:26 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:18:26 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:18:26 <spacekitty420[m]> Siren[m]: it's been a week, is someone that did too many drugs and went full on tweaker
11:18:39 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:18:39 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:18:39 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:18:39 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:18:40 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:18:40 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:18:40 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:18:41 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:18:43 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:18:43 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:18:43 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:18:43 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:18:48 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:18:48 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:18:48 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:18:48 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:18:52 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:18:52 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:18:53 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:18:53 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:18:56 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:18:56 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:18:56 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:18:56 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:19:01 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:19:02 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:19:02 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:19:02 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:19:06 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:19:06 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:19:06 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:19:06 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:19:08 * DanIsnotthemanBr uploaded an image: (34KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/hjWRXgEnNRGxVOCOOvVEBGVH/ima_593691c.gif >
11:19:09 <Jitobalo[m]> What is this spam? Come on...
11:19:11 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:19:11 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:19:12 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:19:12 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:19:16 <Siren[m]> spacekitty420[m]: Looks like selflessly goblin glizzy ‼
11:19:16 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:19:16 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:19:16 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:19:16 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:19:21 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:19:21 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:19:21 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:19:21 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:19:26 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:19:26 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:19:26 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:19:26 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:19:31 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:19:31 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:19:31 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:19:31 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:19:36 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:19:36 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:19:36 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:19:36 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:19:41 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:19:41 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:19:41 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:19:41 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:19:46 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:19:46 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:19:46 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:19:46 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:19:51 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:19:51 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:19:51 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:19:51 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:19:56 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:19:56 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:19:56 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:19:56 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:20:01 <DanIsnotthemanBr> No mods on
11:20:01 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:20:01 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:20:01 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:20:01 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:20:07 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:20:07 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:20:07 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:20:07 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:20:12 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:20:12 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:20:12 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:20:12 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:20:24 <qwerty0x[m]> If I convert 24 words to 25 words (monero/electrum), can I reach my same monero balance with only 24 words on ledger device without 25 words (electrum/monero)? Sir, please clear answer. 
11:20:24 <qwerty0x[m]> A) With only 24 words
11:20:24 <qwerty0x[m]> B) Not with only 24 words
11:20:24 <qwerty0x[m]> Which is it correct? A or B?
11:20:33 <spacekitty420[m]> 🎉
11:20:35 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I’d rather look at sbf orgy photos
11:20:37 <Jitobalo[m]> Thank you!
11:36:27 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:36:54 <Jitobalo[m]> No, not again...
11:36:57 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Ffs
11:37:27 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Banhammer: BanhammerMonero 
11:37:27 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Back again
11:37:35 <davinciii[m]> I dont spam
11:37:55 <rbrunner> Of course not, you just fill the channel ...
11:38:49 <DanIsnotthemanBr> So why dis you post in monero dev then?
11:38:56 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/dis/did/
11:39:37 <davinciii[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: Bro please answer to my question.
11:45:09 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:49:11 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:49:16 <davinciii[m]> Please answer me
11:49:21 <davinciii[m]> 😪
11:50:19 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:50:21 <davinciii[m]> Why is no answer
11:51:02 <davinciii[m]> Hey ceetee sir
11:51:12 <davinciii[m]> Are u here
11:51:40 <ceetee[m]> STOP SPAMMING
11:52:02 <davinciii[m]> Just 24 word or not?
11:52:37 <davinciii[m]> Heyyyyy
11:52:41 <davinciii[m]> Answer me
11:52:43 <ceetee[m]> > <@ctrej:matrix.org> The 24 word seed generated by the ledger can be imported into a new ledger, giving you access to the original wallet and its balance.
11:52:43 <ceetee[m]> > 
11:52:43 <ceetee[m]> > The 25 word seed you generated is basically a copy and give you access to the same wallet, but the old seed doesn't become invalid
11:52:43 <ceetee[m]> Answered here
11:53:11 <davinciii[m]> I will kill you samurai sword. I will find you. Fucking belgium.
11:54:02 <davinciii[m]> 😡
11:54:10 <ceetee[m]> do it :^)
11:54:26 <davinciii[m]> 🖕🖕🖕🇨🇾
11:54:43 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:54:43 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:54:43 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:54:44 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:54:44 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:54:45 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:54:46 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:54:47 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:54:47 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:54:47 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:54:47 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:54:52 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:54:57 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:55:09 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:55:10 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:55:22 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:55:22 <ceetee[m]> davinciii[m]: you can't even understand 2 simple sentences, I don't think I have to be afraid of you killing me. 
11:55:22 <ceetee[m]> Banhammer: BanhammerMonero: plowsof: 
11:55:22 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:55:22 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:55:26 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
11:55:32 <davinciii[m]> Sir if the new advanced user feature is converted from 24 words to 25 words, after I reset the ledger hardware wallet, can I access the same monero assets with just 24 words without +25 words in ledger hardware wallet? I don't mean passphrease in ledger hw. I mean the seed phrease (advanced users) for just the monero in ledger hardware wallet. 
12:07:42 <rbrunner> Maybe the green alpaca has the same problem?
12:09:54 <GreenAlpaca> Not going to spam, don't worry :)
12:10:06 <GreenAlpaca> Just lurking
12:10:16 <GreenAlpaca> O:3
12:10:45 <plowsof> me too :'( 
12:12:19 <sech1> He's been asking this 24/25 word quiz for weeks now
12:13:09 <gingeropolous[m]> so.... how do I get the CCS funds for this hardware upgrade.... paying credit card interest is fun and all....
12:20:53 <plowsof> message luigi1111 pls <3
12:23:50 <plowsof> gingeropolous also add the payout address in the gitlab comments under your proposal for confirmation 
12:31:55 <plowsof> mjxmr has addressed the "most relevant points" here https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/299#note_19563 
12:32:09 <plowsof> reg SoloptXMR
12:47:34 <plowsof> this is a gem for anyone that knows how the monero-project handles cloning git repositories in CI workflows , selsta : (regarding hard coded version of xmrig) "Besides, this prevents malicious code injection, in case the xmrig's master branch becomes hijacked. You both should know this. This is definitely an attempt to search for just more counterarguments, that lack a solid base, and quite frankly: it exposes the lack of expertise of
12:47:35 <plowsof> both of you."
12:48:21 <selsta> where is this from? and who is "both of you" ?
12:49:10 <plowsof> he is referring to me and endor. its in his latest comment linked above on gitlab (in reply to luigis comment)
12:50:14 <selsta> ah ok
12:50:23 <selsta> i thought he is talking about me xD i wasn't even involved in that discussion
12:51:06 <selsta> personally I don't care about hardcoded versions assuming the project is actively maintained
12:51:30 <selsta> so no word on the 80% dev tax?
12:52:32 <plowsof> he removed it, did not even try and deny it https://github.com/mj-xmr/SolOptXMR/pull/144/files
12:53:11 <plowsof> in public he has only stated it was doubled, instead of 1 -> 80 
12:53:31 <selsta> ok, so no explanation?
12:55:23 <plowsof> "since I've already retracted the donation patch, the topic is completely closed in relation to the discussion of payment."
12:55:32 <selsta> lol
12:55:45 <sech1> It's fine, I decided (c)
12:56:16 <selsta> i tried to steal all your miner funds but since i removed it after being called out it's not a relevant topic anymore
12:57:07 <sech1> I wonder what he'll put in the binaries if he releases it
13:00:30 <selsta> plowsof: oh, now I realized it https://github.com/plowsof/SolOptXMR/blob/c64f70c26185087d9a69b59475fd8683d7a2c500/util/build-xmrig.sh#L3
13:00:39 <selsta> he hardcodes the version but not the hash
13:01:01 <selsta> so if the repo gets hacked they could replace the version under the same tag
13:01:26 <selsta> so "Besides, this prevents malicious code injection, in case the xmrig's master branch becomes hijacked. You both should know this." is nonsense
13:02:17 <plowsof> Competency(c) 
13:03:11 <selsta> so basically it's the worst of both worlds lol, no up to date software and no security against hacked repos
13:30:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yawn. .. why u wasting time
13:30:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj gets paid when its completed.. otherwise he diesntbget paid
13:30:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why? That was the proposal, period 
13:31:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Personally:
13:31:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Close it.
13:31:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> A new ccs is needed
14:40:33 <rbrunner> A favorite blogger of mine sometimes jokes "This particular branch of reality was not meant for production use", and this comes to mind reading that mj CCS saga
14:43:12 <nioc> lol
14:57:07 <spackle_xmr[m]1> Has anyone ever released code for illustrating how dynamic block sizes/fees behave under different circumstances? I'm getting into that now. 
14:57:07 <spackle_xmr[m]1> The best sources I've found are ZtM, a handful of lectures, and this: https://github.com/JollyMort/monero-research/tree/master/Monero%20Dynamic%20Block%20Size%20and%20Dynamic%20Minimum%20Fee
14:57:07 <spackle_xmr[m]1> Just curious if there's anything else someone might point me at. (I'm aware of the updates in v16, but earlier material doesn't seem that hard to adapt)
15:41:32 <monerobull[m]> What
15:42:36 <monerobull[m]> You can be racist on the 4chan threads if that's what you want to do but generally the sentiment is everyone can use xmr as a tool, politics don't really apply
15:45:08 <Siren[m]> <rayatina> "racism in the xmr community..." <- What? We're all cCc Turks cCc here
15:56:08 <Siren[m]> > <@rayatina:monero.social> What? We're all cCc Turks cCc here
15:56:08 <Siren[m]> > 
15:56:08 <Siren[m]> > i know but what about greeks trying to bully the karaboga
15:56:08 <Siren[m]> greeks are also turk they just have self hate
15:59:04 <nioc> imagine identifying as something other than mammal 
15:59:43 <nioc> birds are cool
15:59:58 <nioc> *something other than warm blooded
16:10:47 <Siren[m]> > <@rayatina:monero.social> greeks are also turk they just have self hate
16:10:47 <Siren[m]> > 
16:10:47 <Siren[m]> > thoughts on armenians?
16:10:47 <Siren[m]> I like them
16:10:48 <Siren[m]> I mean politics aside, they aren't that different
16:10:48 <Siren[m]> <rayatina> "i want to identify as rich/$$" <- the top 0.01%
16:26:48 <plowsof> this room is bridged to libera.chat so we are bound by these rules here https://libera.chat/policies/
16:37:33 <Siren[m]> <sech1> "I wonder what he'll put in the..." <- Hatsune Miku rm -rf shellcode https://github.com/sUbc0ol/OpenSSH-5.3-remote-root-0day-exploit-32-bit-x86-/blob/master/SSH5.30day.c
16:46:59 <sgp[m]> I'm extremely excited that the MAGIC Monero Fund set up a completely FOSS crowdfunding platform that works with BTCPay Server. Check it out! https://monerofund.org
16:51:17 <Rucknium[m]> Update on OSPEAD: Fortifying Monero Against Statistical Attack CCS:
16:51:17 <Rucknium[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/yyohle/progress_report_on_ospead_fortifying_monero/
17:06:52 <kinghat[m]> so the whole mj thing is going to throw a monkey into those plans 🤔
17:08:46 <kinghat[m]> monkey wrench*
18:53:46 <Rucknium[m]> spackle_xmr: Not as far as I am aware. I would be interested in some code since I don't understand it myself. Haven't really tried to dig into it though. Any specific language you are thinking to use?
19:00:43 <DanIsnotthemanBr> <kinghat[m]> "monkey wrench*" <- Good song 
19:35:33 <spacekitty420[m]> <nioc> "birds are cool" <- /r/BirdsAreNotReal
21:05:03 <rbrunner> Birds are not birds. Birds are dinosaurs. They did not die out, they life on among us. True story.
21:05:50 <spacekitty420[m]> right, jurassic park had it all wrong cause t-rex actually had feathers, they were big birbs
21:06:56 <spacekitty420[m]> massive chickens that eat meat
21:08:43 <RavFX[m]> spacekitty420[m]: raptor did have feathers and where turkey size.
21:08:43 <RavFX[m]> Did not know t-rex actually had feathers too
21:08:46 <RavFX[m]> Feather-wallet best wallet 🙂
21:12:46 <spacekitty420[m]> anyways, 2nd season of "inside job" just dropped, literally was on my way to cook some chicken and binge watch that whole season :tinfoil-hype:
21:14:27 <RavFX[m]> sound good, let's ask nzbget to get that for me 😄
21:15:11 <nioc> no birds on moon
21:15:22 <nioc> I am staying right here on earth 
21:59:33 <spackle_xmr[m]1> Rucknium: I plan on using Python. I suppose the goal is to create plots/animations showing how the block size, mempool, fees, etc. develop across time in different situations.
22:04:09 <Rucknium[m]> spackle_xmr: Sounds great. Would this eventually be a web app or only running locally?
22:09:23 <spackle_xmr[m]1> My intention is to make a script that runs locally. I can imagine a web app being nice, but I've never made one.
22:09:23 <spackle_xmr[m]1> As an example, I went through ZtM last night and sloppily threw together what should be a simulation of block size responding to a miners taking the full penalty and creating the largest blocks possible https://github.com/spackle-xmr/ZtM/blob/main/Chapter7_3_Dynamic_Blocksize_Simulation.py
22:09:23 <spackle_xmr[m]1> Right now the code is poorly written, based on outdated values, and probably incorrect generally. I'll make an earnest effort on getting it together tomorrow.
22:31:54 <Rucknium[m]> spackle_xmr: If you figure out the equations then I can make an R Shiny webapp with parameter sliders, etc
22:32:04 <Rucknium[m]> And maybe even some economic logic ;)
22:43:36 <spackle_xmr[m]1> Rucknium: That sounds way better than anything I was going to come up with! I'll be sure to tap your shoulder once I've gotten to a decent place. What I'm doing is fairly humble tbh. I just need to grab the correct calculations, confirm they are correct, and sequence everything properly.
22:48:01 <Rucknium[m]> Sounds good. The R Shiny webapp can be run locally too.
22:48:04 <Rucknium[m]> Injecting economic logic wouldn't be easy. The equilibrium with fixed block size was derived by Huberman, G., Leshno, J. D., & Moallemi, C. (2021). Monopoly without a Monopolist: An Economic Analysis of the Bitcoin Payment System.
22:48:20 <Rucknium[m]> https://moneroresearch.info/index.php?action=resource_RESOURCEVIEW_CORE&id=78
22:49:22 <Rucknium[m]> They do some dynamic block size work, but I think it's aimed at maximizing miner revenue and may not be applicable to Monero's model
22:57:35 <spackle_xmr[m]1> Yeah, I can imagine a quality simulation taking significant effort.