00:53:24 <johnfoss68[m]> New person managing the official Monero twitter? 
01:08:17 <plowsof> whats happening?
01:09:31 <plowsof> oh, a suggestion? it should/could be more active?
01:24:05 <plowsof> im looking at it https://nitter.it/monero/with_replies 
02:06:49 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Plowsof centralising his power of control ;)
02:17:04 <plowsof> people that spam about ledgers 24 or 25 seeds in the early mornings are my cryptonite 😭
02:21:44 <floatingleaf> if superman then kryptonite 
02:22:06 <floatingleaf> if montero then cryptonite
02:38:19 <johnfoss68[m]> I'm curious as the tweets seem out of character in relation to the official Monero twitter account's past tweets. Doesn't really bother me though.🤷
02:47:53 <ajs_[m]> Tweet storm seems a little unprofessional for an official account, but that's just me
02:59:17 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Does it have blue tick?
02:59:32 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Next css proposal pay for blue tick
03:38:33 <NorrinRadd> that spammer really just proves to me that no one is actively running the matrix room 
03:40:22 <NorrinRadd> a known spammer can terrorize a room for weeks and is not banned yet; how is that possible 
03:42:10 <spacekitty420[m]> seems like u havent been in #monero-mining cause that shit is even worst with telegram
03:43:04 <spacekitty420[m]> like 80% of the time i click on the room there's a spam message in there
03:43:29 <spacekitty420[m]> well, given the telegram side instant ban those but still, spamming is even more on a thing on telegram
03:43:34 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Telegram🤢
03:43:47 <spacekitty420[m]> s/on//
03:44:18 <NorrinRadd> a wallet that will not be named has their primary channel on telegram. i told them it was a cesspool where people were imitating the wallet devs & stiealing folks funds and the lead dev essentially said 'that's not our problem'
03:44:40 <NorrinRadd> sadly a popular wallet but seems they're having some finance issues lately 
03:44:46 <spacekitty420[m]> jfc...
03:45:57 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Matrix or….
03:46:06 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Gtfo!
03:48:56 <floatingleaf> telescam
03:49:10 <floatingleaf> IRC
04:04:23 <phocas[m]> anyone using Elude for exchanging into XMR from BTC?
05:01:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof:  who's posting on twitter right now?
05:01:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> I know of two people who I believe have access - is it confirmed not compromised?
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05:03:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> sus
05:04:02 <DanIsnotthemanBr> elon maybe
05:04:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> if doge links appear then its him
05:04:46 <ajs_[m]> Someone's kid took daddy's phone and is tweeting away in his room
05:05:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> enable 2fa peeps
05:22:13 <plowsof> i'm not sure ofrnxmr, i think the person posting is compromised by it being Friday night 🍻
06:12:56 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Alcohol and social media :/
06:14:21 <NorrinRadd> always a winning combination
06:14:53 <NorrinRadd> when your friends start sending you those "log off" or "go to sleep" messages 
06:17:50 <johnfoss68[m]> Never thought the official Monero twitter would become a "reply guy" 😂 
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06:19:10 <NorrinRadd> plowsof you can intervene? 
06:19:22 <spacekitty420[m]> tbf, reminds me of zooko from ztash literally admitting of a backdoor in ztrash so that way criminals can't use it
06:19:54 <spacekitty420[m]> so whatever if cardano gets shamed for doing the same thing
06:19:55 <spacekitty420[m]> like, literally couldnt care less
06:20:07 <NorrinRadd> ^ that part
06:20:52 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Consensus twitting
06:21:01 <johnfoss68[m]> "the community deserves to lose" ??
06:21:26 <johnfoss68[m]> LOL monero twitter is full tilt
06:21:48 <johnfoss68[m]> Somewhat concerning though 
06:21:57 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Force logout
06:22:01 <DanIsnotthemanBr> !
06:22:17 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Brb ringing elon
06:22:17 <spacekitty420[m]> community probably as cryptocoin community and would agree that if something with a backdoor wins this then yeah, fuck that would cryptoworld shit 😹
06:22:32 <spacekitty420[m]> s/would/whole/
06:25:53 <plowsof> twitter department->#monero-twitter:monero.social (i think someone requested the other day for it to be more active 😀)
06:26:36 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Active now
06:28:00 <plowsof> sgp 😟
06:28:40 <spacekitty420[m]> so what, cause you "represents a community on a twatter account" then u should be acting like all professional or some shit and can't ever trash talk for the sake of it? yall boring up in there LOL
06:29:29 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Maybe not trolling people
06:29:38 <spacekitty420[m]> bad press is also good press and in this case is just plain honesty so yeah, whatever
06:29:44 <spacekitty420[m]> haters gon hate and blockers gon block
06:29:54 <johnfoss68[m]> LoL, no offence to who is controlling the official Twitter, but this the wrong kind of 'active' imo. Very few professional accounts (RadioShack? James Blunt?) pull it off well. 
06:30:31 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Lol jame blunt is expert at comebacks
06:31:01 <spacekitty420[m]> "blunt" fml... i miss weed LOL
06:32:50 <spacekitty420[m]> can't buy dips and buy weed altogether, have chose.....
06:33:01 <spacekitty420[m]> * altogether, have to chose.....
06:33:08 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Priorities
06:33:14 <spacekitty420[m]> exactly
06:42:45 <ajs_[m]> and.... the shoe drops
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06:49:51 <spacekitty420[m]> straight up the CEO of cardano LOL
06:56:27 <CNMJ[m]> wait, the @monero twitter account is controlled by an employee of the company that purchased monero.com, and they are presenting themselves as a spokesperson for the project? That seems a bit much.
06:59:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> No
06:59:30 <spacekitty420[m]> https://monero.com is cake wallet, not the official monero thingy
06:59:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its controlled by a few people, one of whom is sgp
06:59:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> (He is not the only person with access) we dont know who is tweeting right now
06:59:46 <spacekitty420[m]> monero doesnt have a ceo unlike cardano
07:04:20 <spacekitty420[m]> finding it hilarious that like, some random in the community (cause it dont have ceo) can just do @ceo of any cryptocoin and be like "fucking lmao, u need a ceo for a decentralized thingy?" 😹
07:04:56 <spacekitty420[m]> like, is kind of a meme the whole "can i talk to the bitcoin manager?"
07:05:20 <spacekitty420[m]> well, i guess it would be the ceo of blockstream so.... yeah nvm it doesnt work for bitcoin i guess
07:05:40 <spacekitty420[m]> (satoshi is the OG sellout)
08:34:44 <devduck[m]> <spacekitty420[m]> "ur mom cray" <- please maintain the decorum and don't go much offtopic here, you can do that at #monero:monero.social
08:45:22 <spacekitty420[m]> <devduck[m]> "please maintain the decorum..." <- wait what? how much scrolls did u do? are u in a time machine or somethin? u quoting something from like 2 days? why u pinging me like that? the fuck?
08:45:28 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Lol
08:45:43 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Rogue monero twitter
08:52:11 <spacekitty420[m]> devduck: btw, since u on android, did it do the autocorrect thingy when you wrote your name?
08:52:55 <devduck[m]> <rayatina> "I'm trying to take some time off..." <- i have read this a 1000 times, will you stop spamming please?
08:52:58 <spacekitty420[m]> devduck: like idk, just sayin maybe u a dick and it was like "autocorrect that mofo"
08:53:18 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Oo
08:53:24 <spacekitty420[m]> devduck[m]: you're the one spamming by quoting shits from 2 days ago dude, wtf are u even doing rn?
09:26:24 <Siren[m]> <rayatina> "I'm trying to take some time off..." <- What is xmr.homes?
09:26:24 <devduck[m]> found this: https://agorism.city
09:31:48 <rabotat[m]> Sir, I have 2 ledger devices.  I have broken device and unopened device.  I converted my 24 words for monero to 25 words (electrum/monero) before it crashed on my broken device.  I don't mean passphrase.  There is a backup of 24 words that I have installed in Ledger, but there is no backup of 25 words for monero.  Can I access the same 60 monero assets with just 24 words without 25 words on the unopened device?
09:32:54 <Siren[m]> Banhammer BanhammerMonero 
09:32:54 <rabotat[m]> Siren[m]: I do not spam. Sir.
09:34:40 <rabotat[m]> Sir. I don't do spam.
09:34:59 <rabotat[m]> Sir, I have 2 ledger devices.  I have broken device and unopened device.  I converted my 24 words for monero to 25 words (electrum/monero) before it crashed on my broken device.  I don't mean passphrase.  There is a backup of 24 words that I have installed in Ledger, but there is no backup of 25 words for monero.  Can I access the same 60 monero assets with just 24 words without 25 words on the unopened device?
09:35:20 <rabotat[m]> Please answer. Sir.
09:39:11 <sech1> wait, yesterday this guy only had 30 "monero assets"
09:40:56 <rabotat[m]> sech1: Sorry. My monero assets are 30.
09:41:03 <Siren[m]> he's making bank +30 XMR everyday
09:41:03 <rabotat[m]> By wrong.
09:41:24 <Siren[m]> is this fluffypony lmao
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09:41:39 <rabotat[m]> Sir, I have 2 ledger devices.  I have broken device and unopened device.  I converted my 24 words for monero to 25 words (electrum/monero) before it crashed on my broken device.  I don't mean passphrase.  There is a backup of 24 words that I have installed in Ledger, but there is no backup of 25 words for monero.  Can I access the same 30 monero assets with just 24 words without 25 words on the unopened device?
09:41:45 <CNMJ[m]> lol, loser in chat.
09:42:19 <rabotat[m]> Sir, I have 2 ledger devices.  I have broken device and unopened device.  I converted my 24 words for monero to 25 words (electrum/monero) before it crashed on my broken device.  I don't mean passphrase.  There is a backup of 24 words that I have installed in Ledger, but there is no backup of 25 words for monero.  Can I access the same 60 monero assets with just 24 words without 25 words on the unopened device?
09:42:40 <rabotat[m]> s/60/30/
09:43:00 <CNMJ[m]> Hahaha, what an idiot.
09:43:52 <rabotat[m]> CNMJ[m]: I will fuck your mom, your daughter.
09:44:08 <ceetee[m]> Where are you?
09:44:21 <rabotat[m]> CNMJ[m]: I will fuck gangbang your mom and your daughter.
09:44:22 <ceetee[m]> You promised yesterday to visit me...
09:44:27 <CNMJ[m]> Haha, nah I think you are going to be a loser on the internet
09:44:48 <rabotat[m]> I will kill all jews.
09:45:03 <Siren[m]> rabotat[m]: Madarchod teri maa ki chu
09:45:03 <rabotat[m]> Forever nazi germany
09:45:41 <rabotat[m]> I will kill you with samurai sword.
09:45:56 <CNMJ[m]> I'm going to stop responding, but just know that I'm laughing at you. Probably forever.
09:46:24 <rabotat[m]> Sir, I have 2 ledger devices.  I have broken device and unopened device.  I converted my 24 words for monero to 25 words (electrum/monero) before it crashed on my broken device.  I don't mean passphrase.  There is a backup of 24 words that I have installed in Ledger, but there is no backup of 25 words for monero.  Can I access the same 30 monero assets with just 24 words without 25 words on the unopened device?
09:46:51 <rabotat[m]> Please clear answer. Sir.
09:46:59 <rabotat[m]> Sir, I have 2 ledger devices.  I have broken device and unopened device.  I converted my 24 words for monero to 25 words (electrum/monero) before it crashed on my broken device.  I don't mean passphrase.  There is a backup of 24 words that I have installed in Ledger, but there is no backup of 25 words for monero.  Can I access the same 30 monero assets with just 24 words without 25 words on the unopened device?
09:48:09 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Same bat time,same bat channel
09:48:36 <rabotat[m]> Please only clear answer.
09:48:38 <rabotat[m]> Sir, I have 2 ledger devices.  I have broken device and unopened device.  I converted my 24 words for monero to 25 words (electrum/monero) before it crashed on my broken device.  I don't mean passphrase.  There is a backup of 24 words that I have installed in Ledger, but there is no backup of 25 words for monero.  Can I access the same 30 monero assets with just 24 words without 25 words on the unopened device?
09:49:40 <rabotat[m]> Sir, I have 2 ledger devices.  I have broken device and unopened device.  I converted my 24 words for monero to 25 words (electrum/monero) before it crashed on my broken device.  I don't mean passphrase.  There is a backup of 24 words that I have installed in Ledger, but there is no backup of 25 words for monero.  Can I access the same 30 monero assets with just 24 words without 25 words on the unopened device?
09:49:41 <rabotat[m]> Sir, I have 2 ledger devices.  I have broken device and unopened device.  I converted my 24 words for monero to 25 words (electrum/monero) before it crashed on my broken device.  I don't mean passphrase.  There is a backup of 24 words that I have installed in Ledger, but there is no backup of 25 words for monero.  Can I access the same 30 monero assets with just 24 words without 25 words on the unopened device?
09:49:49 <rabotat[m]> Sir, I have 2 ledger devices.  I have broken device and unopened device.  I converted my 24 words for monero to 25 words (electrum/monero) before it crashed on my broken device.  I don't mean passphrase.  There is a backup of 24 words that I have installed in Ledger, but there is no backup of 25 words for monero.  Can I access the same 30 monero assets with just 24 words without 25 words on the unopened device?
09:50:22 <rabotat[m]> Spacekitty please clear answer
09:50:39 <spacekitty420[m]> idk, just try it
09:50:46 <spacekitty420[m]> i dont know shit about ledger, the fuck you want me to answer?
09:51:30 <rabotat[m]> Ocean and spackle please clear answer
09:51:31 <rabotat[m]> Sir, I have 2 ledger devices.  I have broken device and unopened device.  I converted my 24 words for monero to 25 words (electrum/monero) before it crashed on my broken device.  I don't mean passphrase.  There is a backup of 24 words that I have installed in Ledger, but there is no backup of 25 words for monero.  Can I access the same 30 monero assets with just 24 words without 25 words on the unopened device?
09:51:59 <rabotat[m]> Selenze please clear answer
09:52:35 <spacekitty420[m]> the answer is yes btw, paste the 24 words in the other device
09:52:58 <spacekitty420[m]> just do it and it should work
09:53:09 <spacekitty420[m]> just do it
09:53:30 <rabotat[m]> spacekitty420[m]: Do you mean the just 24 words for ledger device?
09:53:30 <spacekitty420[m]> do it
09:53:30 <spacekitty420[m]> yes
09:55:15 <rabotat[m]> spacekitty420[m]: Thanks sir.
09:55:31 <spacekitty420[m]> mam*, whatever, cheers
09:55:43 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Paste it here and we can tell you
10:01:20 <spacekitty420[m]> wouldnt recommend, prob just gonna steal those coins
10:01:39 <rabotat[m]> oceanus: 😁
10:02:04 <spacekitty420[m]> then instead of having obsessive disorder figuring the 24 words or 25 words thingy then prob will also end up suicidal or some shit
10:03:45 <spacekitty420[m]> maybe ocean dont care if some chinese dude out there just off himself but would still suck u know....
10:05:40 <rabotat[m]> My question may sound a bit absurd. For convenience, why is monero not included in ledger live?
10:08:43 <spacekitty420[m]> no idea, you could send them a message and ask them, same way as with coinbase, why they dont include monero? no idea either
10:09:28 <rabotat[m]> spacekitty420[m]: Never heard of the ledger wallet? Ledger nano x and ledger nano s plus.
10:09:43 <spacekitty420[m]> i dont trust ledger
10:10:38 <spacekitty420[m]> R.I.P
10:25:43 <martinez666[m]> <spacekitty420[m]> "no idea, you could send them a..." <- Sir. Please don't ban me in this in channel. I am a knowledge hungry person. My favorite crypto is monero.
10:25:43 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Back
10:26:02 <DanIsnotthemanBr> BanhammerMonero: Banhammer 
10:26:31 <martinez666[m]> <spacekitty420[m]> "i dont know shit about ledger..." <- Never heard of the ledger hardware wallet?
10:26:36 <martinez666[m]> No no
10:26:55 <martinez666[m]> Please😪😪😪
10:26:55 <martinez666[m]> Noo 
10:26:55 <martinez666[m]> 😪😪😪😪😪
10:29:16 <martinez666[m]> <spacekitty420[m]> "i dont know shit about ledger..." <- 
10:29:16 <martinez666[m]> Never heard of the ledger hardware wallet?
10:29:50 <martinez666[m]> I ask out of curiosity.
10:31:28 <martinez666[m]> Heyyy sir
10:32:20 <martinez666[m]> 🍌🍌🍆🍆🥥🥥
10:32:38 <martinez666[m]> 🍌🍌🥝🥝
10:32:46 <martinez666[m]> Gangbang
10:33:31 <martinez666[m]> 🖕👌🍌
10:34:02 <martinez666[m]> Nigar men fuck the ass hole of Old women
10:34:31 <martinez666[m]> Monero
10:34:50 <martinez666[m]> Ledger nano x - monero
10:34:57 <martinez666[m]> 🙁
10:35:27 <martinez666[m]> Əzer
10:35:31 <martinez666[m]> 🇦🇿
10:35:36 <martinez666[m]> 🇹🇲🇬🇧🇨🇾
10:35:42 <martinez666[m]> 🇬🇧🇨🇾
10:48:04 <Mumuks> <DanIsnotthemanBr> "BanhammerMonero: Banhammer..." <- ,?
10:48:05 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Above
11:18:16 <fluffypony> Siren[m]: dude is obviously out of the loop
11:18:22 <fluffypony> I was mocking Neeraj's floating hand pic
11:19:19 <fluffypony> https://twitter.com/fluffypony/status/998621511526309889
12:13:46 <monerobull[m]> Lmao who runs @monero twitter and why do they use it to be so salty about the backdoored cardano chain
13:05:10 <plowsof> Meeting in 3~hrs https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/754 (please have your suggestions ready for monero .shopping 😀)
13:14:11 <monerobull[m]> That's the same time as monerotopia?
13:24:49 <plowsof> do they always have monerotalk/topia @ 16:00 UTC?
13:31:24 <floatingleaf> IRC shows that the meeting will be held @ 16:00 UTC Saturday 24th September
13:33:54 <plowsof> oh thanks, wasn't aware , it should be "For next meeting info check: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/" to be safe
13:36:02 <floatingleaf> sounds good, that way we don't have to bother OPs everytime
13:38:33 <DanIsnotthemanBr> <plowsof> "Meeting in 3~hrs https://github..." <- Make it 1000xmr even 
14:04:25 <gingeropolous[m]> good lord. where do i edit a file for getmonero.org ?
14:05:22 <gingeropolous[m]> im trying to change the remote node page to point to monero.fail
14:05:23 <gingeropolous[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/blob/master/resources/user-guides/remote_node_gui.md
14:05:23 <gingeropolous[m]> and like there's just some syntax thing there that probably means the actual web code is i dunno where
14:06:05 <gingeropolous[m]> " {% tf resources/user-guides/remote_node_gui.md %} "
14:06:14 <gingeropolous[m]> like bro thats the file im trying to mod
14:07:18 <gingeropolous[m]> ah fuckit i'll clone the repo and grep for it
14:07:25 <floatingleaf> gingeropolous[m]: also try #monero-site
14:08:33 <gingeropolous[m]> do they have a matrix? ill find out
14:09:03 <floatingleaf> gingeropolous[m]: there are matrix people on there
14:09:11 <floatingleaf> when u leave IRC?
14:13:33 <plowsof> gingeropolous ill have a look 
14:16:58 <gingeropolous[m]> i made the change to the english one
14:17:05 <gingeropolous[m]> i found the monero website matrix channel
14:17:59 <gingeropolous[m]> im working on my IRC thing. the VPS running my ZNC brokt so im working on setting up a new VPS with all the stuffs
14:17:59 <plowsof> you're experiencing translation/weblate hell
14:26:00 <plowsof> gingeropolous made an issue so we dont forget, i can string replace moneroworld .com -> monero. fail everywhere if you want?
14:40:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> <rayatina> "is it going or went, i've been..." <- You've been gone for like 6hrs
15:14:11 <monerobull[m]> <rayatina> "who's going to monerokon" <- Me :)
15:43:55 <Stnby[m]> <rayatina> "who's going to monerokon" <- Me
15:44:33 <Stnby[m]> I guess most of us are working on it
15:44:33 <Stnby[m]> In one or another way
15:46:15 <Stnby[m]> We host the email box, I was testing it out :)
15:46:15 <Siren[m]> <rayatina> "who's going to monerokon" <- me
15:46:16 <cryptogrampy[m]> I'LL BE THERE IN SPIRIT.  HOPEFULLY NOT LITERALLY IN SPIRIT.  
15:47:01 <nioc> !tip cryptogrampy[m] hearing aids 
15:47:06 <Siren[m]> > <@rayatina:monero.social> me
15:47:06 <Siren[m]> > 
15:47:06 <Siren[m]> > are you working on it too?
15:47:06 <Siren[m]> yeah
15:47:07 <Stnby[m]> cryptogrampy[m]: Canned grampy
15:47:49 <Siren[m]> me and Stnby are offering managed hosting for it
15:51:19 <Stnby[m]> We also host https://cfp.monerokon.com Dont forget to call for presentations :)
15:51:19 <Siren[m]> rayatina: no as of now
15:51:20 <Stnby[m]> rayatina: Probably
15:51:20 <Stnby[m]> I think there is a board on Github stating what we lack
15:51:20 <Siren[m]> for what xd
15:51:20 <Siren[m]> artwork?
15:51:20 <Siren[m]> yes but that's for later, you don't need to host stuff for streaming now
15:51:20 <Stnby[m]> Or what needs to be done
15:53:49 <Siren[m]> we still have ~6-7 months to deploy those
15:54:25 <monerobull[m]> I'm working on it too. Doing the program and speaker contract
16:00:17 <Stnby[m]> <monerobull[m]> "I'm working on it too. Doing the..." <- What is a speaker contract?
16:00:17 <plowsof> Meeting time : https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/754
16:00:17 <plowsof> 2. Greetings
16:00:38 <plowsof> hi everyone
16:00:39 <Siren[m]> Hello
16:00:58 <spackle_xmr[m]1> hi
16:01:22 <plowsof> plug some news outlets while we wait : News: [Monero Observer](https://www.monero.observer/) - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) - [The Monero Standard](https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard)
16:02:16 <Rucknium[m]> Hi
16:02:43 <hinto[m]> hi
16:03:01 <sgp[m]> Hello
16:03:10 <nioc> meow
16:03:40 <plowsof> we've got some on-going drama with one of the ccs proposals (soloptxmr) but i'd like to cover the ideas first as it would probably take up the entire hour if we start with that
16:04:01 <plowsof> with that said.... 
16:04:25 <plowsof>   a. [Forgotsudo monero marketplace](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/340)    
16:04:33 <plowsof> last-last-final call - we're closing this pending resubmission of Web Of trust only 
16:04:37 <plowsof> agree?
16:05:53 <monerobull[m]> <Stnby[m]> "What is a speaker contract?" <- Contact*
16:06:24 <Stnby[m]> Confidentiality papers 😋
16:06:38 <plowsof> and we're closing   b. [Develop selfhostable monero payment processor](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/345)    
16:06:38 <plowsof> , disagreements? 
16:06:39 <Siren[m]> NDA 
16:07:38 <plowsof> feedback requsted:   c. [Monero Paper Wallets](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/352)    
16:08:05 <nioc> seems like a lot of money for something that we already have 
16:08:16 <nioc> https://www.themonera.art/2018/01/30/printable-monero-paper-wallet-pack-1/
16:08:16 <plowsof> reg monero wallets*
16:08:34 <monerobull[m]> I'll be there in a bit
16:08:35 <plowsof> yes the proposer has submitted an "example" design 
16:08:38 <Siren[m]> > <@plowsof:matrix.org> feedback requsted:   c. [Monero Paper Wallets](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/352)    
16:08:38 <Siren[m]> > 
16:08:38 <Siren[m]> The designs aren't good enough
16:08:50 <Siren[m]> I think we should close it
16:09:38 <plowsof> i have contacted gnuteardrops - and being the kind soul they are they said they did not with to interfere with anyone elses ccs' , but, if we really need new wallet designs, they open to the idea
16:10:02 <nioc> msvb also has an excellent wallet
16:10:19 <plowsof> an advanced one that is nuclear proof(tm) 
16:10:33 <nioc> yes  :)
16:11:09 <plowsof> so, is there -anything- this proposer can do to win you over / change your opinions? is it not a case of "making a better proof of concept design"? 
16:11:31 <plowsof> we also have xmr.gift #xmr.gift:matrix.org 
16:11:45 <MajesticBank> need better write up
16:12:00 <monerobull[m]> Did we vote on anything yet
16:12:07 <Stnby[m]> nioc: These are more visually appealing to m,e
16:12:07 <MajesticBank> add decoy designs
16:12:09 <Stnby[m]> s/m,e/me/
16:12:19 <plowsof> re-voting on closing forgotsudo/develop selfhosted (the one who wants money upfront)
16:12:56 <plowsof> so we have better alternatives already (compared to the example he has shown) 
16:12:57 <nioc> close
16:13:57 <plowsof> it is specifically for 'wallet restore' i must say* but i feel we have alternatives / more talented people than the proposer - i'd say close 
16:14:06 <MajesticBank> we already have designers in the community that should have priority I guess
16:14:31 <plowsof> i agree +1 for rewarding community members who have contributed already
16:14:39 <Siren[m]>  close too imo
16:14:49 <nioc> close
16:15:05 <monerobull[m]> I don't think we should pay 2k on wallet designs by a non-professional designer
16:15:23 <plowsof> lets move on, this one needs some feedback / thoughts 
16:15:26 <plowsof>   d. [Metronero checkout](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/353)    
16:16:15 <monerobull[m]> Did the things get cleared up that needed clearing up?
16:16:16 <plowsof> ive left a comment with my initial thoughts / understanding of whats going on there , might help to have a look 
16:16:57 <Stnby[m]> plowsof: you understood it right Siren left a short reply
16:17:28 <Rucknium[m]> I have three main comments on this: 1) Does this solve the problems that most online stores have with using Monero? Frequently people in IRC or Reddit ask if there is a payment system. Does this solve it? Need research on market demand
16:17:29 <MajesticBank> checking
16:17:51 <monerobull[m]> This was the tor-optimized BTC pay server alternative 
16:18:04 <Stnby[m]> rayatina: Huh?
16:18:07 <Siren[m]> Wdym? That's our real names
16:18:33 <Stnby[m]> monerobull[m]: Yeah Javascriptless and C# less
16:18:48 <Rucknium[m]> 2) I think this is "middleware", i.e. it requires an additional layer for a complete solution. This proposal would be more useful if it developed one example of that final layer, but also allowed other layers to be developed of course
16:18:49 <Stnby[m]> * C# less And Monero as a focus as BTCPAYserver is not ideal
16:18:51 <plowsof> thanks for the comment Siren!
16:19:24 <Siren[m]> Rucknium[m]: What final layer are you talking about?
16:19:26 <monerobull[m]> My only concern was, does it work with both viewkeys and RPC calls?
16:19:40 <Rucknium[m]> 3) It looks like it relies on monero-wallet-rpc, which is unreliable. How will reliability  issues be handled, and is there any way that upstream fixes to reliability issues be fixed?
16:20:13 <monerobull[m]> monerobull[m]: Like serhacks wp plugin
16:20:16 <Stnby[m]> If monero-wallet-rpc is unreliable, Monero is unreloiable
16:20:22 <Stnby[m]> s/unreloiable/unreliable/
16:20:46 <Siren[m]> Rucknium[m]: Unreliable in what sense? Do you mean that it is not thread safe? Or do you mean that the output from it is straight up inaccurate? What?
16:20:55 <plowsof> monero-wallet-rpc talking to a remote daemon is unreliable*
16:21:06 <Siren[m]> It doesn't have to remote
16:21:06 <MajesticBank> very
16:21:12 <plowsof> however  , moneropay has a health check built in?
16:21:14 <Siren[m]> It's up to the user 
16:21:23 <Rucknium[m]> Merchants have to write POST requests, for example
16:21:26 <Rucknium[m]> plowsof: Can you comment on monero-wallet-rpc reliability?
16:21:31 <monerobull[m]> Siren: so viewkey support?
16:21:34 <Siren[m]> Rucknium[m]: And?
16:21:42 <Siren[m]> Yes there is viewkey support
16:22:55 <monerobull[m]> Can you point it at any xmrchain-style explorer? Wp plugin straight up didn't acknowledge payments while xmrchain was down 
16:23:03 <Siren[m]> plowsof: there is an endpoint for health checks
16:23:38 <Siren[m]> monerobull[m]: it doesn't use public blockchain explorers for payment processing. it uses moneropay which relies on wallet-rpc server.
16:23:46 <plowsof> let me clarify a bit - it would be a "service" - hosted by a third party , that provides you with a payment gateway (they handle everything - e.g. their node will be local etc) - it will have 2 modes - one where you give them your view key, another , where you "withdraw funds" (custodial - where the host provider can take a small fee) 
16:24:01 <Rucknium[m]> This is plowsof's comment in the proposal 4 days ago: "With Metronero - merchants still require a plugin to be created to actually 'use it' - If this is something that could be added/researched that would be ideal (I believe a plugin that provides the same functionality as monerowp would make this project complete, as it seems to be the one most widely used currently)"
16:24:12 <plowsof> OR you can be the "service" and host it yourself 
16:24:24 <Siren[m]> Rucknium[m]: this is not correct
16:24:25 <MajesticBank> integration channel would be?
16:24:43 <Stnby[m]> Rucknium[m]: Yes it might need a very simple plugin, but the issue is we cannot create a plugin for every system
16:24:44 <Siren[m]> however plugins for e-commerce would make it easier for people
16:25:10 <plowsof> yes how will it be integrated - how can someone "use" it - by creating something that makes POST requests - would you consider making a plugin for 1 e-commerce platform 
16:25:55 <plowsof> and you will have to fight the community regarding "free maintenance" - we force you to make it paid (ask GUPAX) xD
16:26:03 <Siren[m]> what?
16:26:09 <MajesticBank> there are plugins already by monero-ecosystem
16:26:38 <Siren[m]> MajesticBank: plugins that are not functional at times because they rely on third party blockchain explorers
16:26:46 <monerobull[m]> Bope
16:26:50 <monerobull[m]> Nope
16:26:53 <Siren[m]> or btcpay server probably
16:26:54 <monerobull[m]> They can use both explorer and rpc
16:27:15 <MajesticBank> must be 3 click integrate thing, make proposal wider I guess with plugins included
16:27:24 <plowsof> i would say most users point it at xmrchain (as its easier) but as we seen recently - it went offline - and so did peoples shops
16:27:46 <Stnby[m]> MajesticBank: No one commented on the proposal apart from plowsof
16:27:54 <Stnby[m]> We can provide syllius plugin
16:28:02 <monerobull[m]> plowsof: My shop wasn't down, i just had to go in and mark orders paid mysel
16:28:25 <plowsof> we are just sharing feedback / sharing ideas (some people have only seen the idea just now)
16:28:46 <monerobull[m]> Which was doable since the wp plugin doesn't round so amounts would be different by tiny amounts of picos
16:28:58 <Stnby[m]> We could also write Prefix support for ticket purchasing in the future
16:29:38 <monerobull[m]> Does it use integrated addresses?
16:29:47 <Siren[m]> no
16:30:02 <Stnby[m]> subaddresses 
16:30:33 <plowsof> Prefix is the "middle layer" we're talking about?
16:30:41 <monerobull[m]> That's good to know. Wp plugin for example uses integrated addresses
16:30:58 <Siren[m]> plowsof: there is no middle layer, this is a checkout system like paypal or whatever
16:30:59 <Siren[m]> he seems confused on what this exactly is
16:31:07 <Stnby[m]> integrated addresses is a bad way to do it, subaddresses are meant exactly for this
16:31:13 <plowsof> we want someone to make that thing that lets us use the thing out of the box
16:31:30 <Stnby[m]> plowsof: everyones box is different
16:31:47 <Stnby[m]> for example I would never but wordpress in my box of things
16:31:49 <plowsof> so we must decide on what we want the box to be 
16:31:59 <monerobull[m]> I want to know what a merchant needs to provide and if it's custodial it not
16:31:59 <Siren[m]> Rucknium: Take a look at one of the proprietary examples: https://coingate.com/integration
16:32:01 <Stnby[m]> s/but/put/
16:32:15 <monerobull[m]> s/it/or/
16:32:35 <Siren[m]> monerobull[m]: if it's not custodial he needs to provide viewkeys, if it's custodial just his address.
16:33:10 <monerobull[m]> And does one need to set RPC connections or something?
16:33:25 <cryptogrampy[m]> This is basically an alternative to btcpayserver, yes?
16:33:27 <Siren[m]> monerobull[m]: if you're not the person hosting it, no
16:33:31 <Siren[m]> cryptogrampy[m]: yes 
16:33:35 <plowsof> the service provider handles all the rpc/hosting stuff 
16:33:37 <cryptogrampy[m]> and has the ability to host the service for other people?
16:33:40 <Siren[m]> yes
16:33:47 <plowsof> the service prov can be yourself , or a company 
16:34:02 <monerobull[m]> And anyone could host the custodial version for others?
16:34:06 <Stnby[m]> Yes BTCPAY server just not written in C# and is Monero first and JSless (Tor Extreme settings friendly)
16:34:18 <Stnby[m]> + customizations on payment page look
16:34:20 <Siren[m]> monerobull[m]: yes
16:34:25 <cryptogrampy[m]> it's very complicated to setup as well
16:34:36 <monerobull[m]> Cool, I'll become the darknets PayPal /s
16:34:54 <plowsof> so we need to decide on what we want the "let me use it for a shop that sells tickets" ? 
16:34:55 <cryptogrampy[m]> I think it would be important to provide an integration with this
16:35:04 <cryptogrampy[m]> maybe wordpress or something
16:35:17 <cryptogrampy[m]> maybe not
16:35:18 <MajesticBank> just feel like we need solution for non-devs because devs can already figure it out on their own
16:35:40 <plowsof> if they are willing to integrate it into something (wordpress) or other, then we'll have to discuss that at a later time . solution for non-devs to use it yes
16:35:50 <monerobull[m]> I liked how simple it was to set up wp plugin checkout 
16:36:10 <Stnby[m]> monerobull[m]: Not everyone uses wordpress, we don't for example
16:36:10 <MajesticBank> not sure who is end user of this
16:36:31 <monerobull[m]> Just saying the experience should be similar for setup
16:36:46 <cryptogrampy[m]> So is this a layer on top of moneropay?  
16:36:53 <Siren[m]> yes
16:36:55 <Stnby[m]> MajesticBank: Larger players who want to accept Monero and have the payment paged look well integrated
16:37:00 <Stnby[m]> s/paged/page/
16:37:18 <Siren[m]> or Tor people
16:37:22 <monerobull[m]> When i set it up, i had no idea what RPC even is and i also didn't want to point it at my own node for privacy reasons 
16:37:28 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: including but not limited to
16:37:32 <hinto[m]> i don't mind the proposed api personally but as a compromise including a single working out-of-the-box integration seems fair
16:37:46 <Stnby[m]> For example we are willing to write a plugin for https://sylius.com/
16:37:56 <cryptogrampy[m]> This might be another dumb question, but if you're already building out a server with logins and templating, why not have the ability for merchant to add items/images/prices?
16:38:01 <Stnby[m]> Not some obscure wordpress clusterfuck
16:38:12 <Stnby[m]> wordpress aint even for e-commerce
16:38:16 <plowsof> if sylius can be shown to provide the same experience setup as wordpress then that would be ideal
16:38:24 <MajesticBank> prestashop, magneto, wordpress, open-cart mostly needed
16:38:43 <Stnby[m]> World only uses Syllius and Magento
16:38:57 <Siren[m]> Stnby[m]: displaying items/images/prices pages should be handled not using a payment gateway
16:38:58 <Stnby[m]> Who uses Prestashop?
16:39:15 <Stnby[m]> Welcome to 1964
16:39:32 <plowsof> an agreement on Magneto though
16:39:53 <MajesticBank> Just helping to shape this well for benefit of the proposal
16:39:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hi
16:39:55 <Stnby[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Syllius is taking over
16:39:55 <plowsof> hi
16:40:15 <Stnby[m]> I worked in the e-commerce space I can tell Its only syllius and magento
16:40:41 <Stnby[m]> * and magento (big players)
16:41:06 <plowsof> ok so i think we've given our feedback on Metronero , to be up for re discussion , but we like the project (and moneropay team are capable / contribute to the ecosystem already)
16:41:11 <Siren[m]> we can add another milestone for writing a sylius plugin, I'm not sure about magento because it's mainly proprietary
16:41:26 <Stnby[m]> MajesticBank: Self hosted paypal for Monero, plugins are easy to make/fork existing
16:41:39 <cryptogrampy[m]> I think everyone would benefit if there was a plugin built out in addition to this
16:41:40 <cryptogrampy[m]> i'd be much happier to get behind it
16:41:49 <Stnby[m]> cryptogrampy[m]: Yes but not for wordpress just because someone worships it
16:42:18 <Stnby[m]> I mean we can write it by forking existing one and changing 10 lines of code
16:42:18 <cryptogrampy[m]> Stnby[m]: yeah I think choosing a popular ecommerce solution as you suggested is fine and preferable 
16:42:35 <monerobull[m]> Well, small shops are mostly WordPress and if you're a big shop you use gateways that support multiple cryptos and fiat
16:42:45 <cryptogrampy[m]> I think people use wordpress because the plugin exists there 
16:42:49 <cryptogrampy[m]> and it's fairly easy to setup
16:42:58 <plowsof> not because they like/know what wordpress is
16:43:04 <plowsof> or woocommerce 
16:43:05 <Stnby[m]> They use wordpress because they go to shared-hosting solutiuons
16:43:09 <Stnby[m]> s/solutiuons/solutions/
16:43:23 <Stnby[m]> and with metronero you won't be enough just with PHP
16:43:32 <monerobull[m]> I use WordPress because woocommerce was easy to set up with the plugin 
16:43:36 <Stnby[m]> as monero-wallet-rpc is obviously not written in PHP
16:43:48 <Siren[m]> well...
16:43:55 <plowsof> right, not long left now to go through the other ideas, theres alot of feedback here for Metronero to look at 
16:44:04 <plowsof>   e. [selsta part-time monero development (3 months)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/354)    
16:44:10 <monerobull[m]> Fund
16:44:11 <cryptogrampy[m]> i think coincards uses wordpress
16:44:11 <plowsof> selsta isnt with us today 
16:44:15 <Siren[m]> Stnby[m]: regardless of the reason why, many people run it. we can attempt.
16:44:32 <Stnby[m]> Siren[m]: But syllius is priority
16:44:37 <Siren[m]> fair
16:44:38 <plowsof> +1 for selsta 
16:44:58 <MajesticBank> selsta legit
16:45:37 <monerobull[m]> One more pls
16:45:49 <nioc> merge selsta 
16:45:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> +1
16:45:54 <Rucknium[m]> +1 for selsta proposal.
16:46:10 <monerobull[m]> Ok that's 6 yes
16:46:10 <plowsof>   f. [xmr-btc-swap development and improvement](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/355)    
16:46:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Next order of business
16:46:49 <plowsof> ive contacted binarybaron who is yet to comment. this proposal seems half baked / ill planned / money pit into an abandonned project / we've already sponsored someone else (binarybaron) to do this work
16:47:01 <plowsof> however the title is very catchy !
16:47:01 <monerobull[m]> Does comit still have a future 
16:47:22 <plowsof> no still un-maintained 
16:47:33 <plowsof> and none of them are expert cryptographers 
16:47:39 <monerobull[m]> And this proposal is for comit right 
16:47:40 <MajesticBank> I've contacted binarybaron, still at greetins point
16:48:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof: ^
16:48:10 <plowsof> for me this is a wait for binarybaron to explain himself (because weve paid him to 'make it work with a gui' )
16:48:15 <Rucknium[m]> Looks like a money pit to me. This proposal needs more time for feedback at least.
16:48:21 <monerobull[m]> Ok next
16:48:21 <plowsof> yeah
16:48:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Either postpone for clarity or close 
16:48:37 <plowsof>   g. [CypherPunk Radio](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/357)    
16:48:49 <plowsof> he's not in here ehh
16:49:06 <nioc> do we already have a "radio"?
16:49:21 <monerobull[m]> We have 2 actually 
16:49:22 <monerobull[m]> Or had
16:49:30 <monerobull[m]> Idk nobody listens to them
16:49:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Target audience for a tts radio? Nobody
16:49:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Close
16:49:39 <plowsof> ive spoken with him, he wants to come to us with some code / proof of concept that hes been working on
16:49:40 <MajesticBank> sorry my internet is very slow
16:49:40 <MajesticBank> commit swap are not usable at this point, as website is disabled and GUI is forced on testnet only
16:49:40 <MajesticBank> all providers seems not to be working at this point
16:50:00 <monerobull[m]> plowsof: Postpone? 
16:50:04 <plowsof> majesticbank thats for raising this
16:50:07 <NotMtth[m]> Yo
16:50:26 <plowsof> NotMtth is here if you have any questions 
16:50:41 <plowsof> other than wait for him to show some code? 
16:50:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Whether it works or not, it serves no purpose 
16:50:57 <MajesticBank> I would listen to xmr radio but needs to be easy to use / listen
16:51:40 <ajs_[m]> nioc: yes.. xmr.radio... but can confirm not many listeners... maybe 6 on a good day
16:52:04 <plowsof> its mainly a "video show" / community 
16:52:15 <hinto[m]> agree on waiting for a poc first
16:52:16 <ajs_[m]> i have move to i2p/tor only audio format 
16:52:21 <ajs_[m]> due to costs
16:53:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> News will collected by us and streamed using Text2Speech directly onto the dedicated room.
16:53:35 <plowsof> we need proof of concept / (i suggested to reach out to ajs to set up an example / hour show or something so we can "see" what it is)
16:53:52 <plowsof> but you're busy with monerokon at the moment 
16:54:05 <plowsof> we need to "see" something 
16:54:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Postpone then?
16:54:10 <plowsof> otherwise its just an idea
16:54:18 <plowsof> till next meeting
16:54:29 <plowsof>   h. [Bulletproofs++ Peer Review](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/358)    
16:54:46 <plowsof> full disclosure: i am not part of MRL or know anything about auditing 
16:54:53 <monerobull[m]> Fund
16:54:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Within 4 weeks, if at all possible
16:55:11 <monerobull[m]> MAGIC will probably fund additional audits
16:55:20 <nioc> monerobull is funding this?
16:55:22 <nioc> great
16:55:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fund
16:55:39 <monerobull[m]> Nono
16:55:43 <plowsof> this is part of several funding roudns to integrate bp++ into monero and eventually seraphis. the selection process for who audited it was fair as i contacted several with previous work on monero and CypherStack where the cheapest and available 
16:55:55 <Rucknium[m]> Last MRL meeting we can to rough consensus about need and scope for this. BP++ has a long road ahead of it and this is the first step.
16:56:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Merge it
16:56:10 <Siren[m]> * have to be remote
16:56:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Next
16:56:16 <monerobull[m]> nioc: MAGIC will fund audits outside of the scope of this proposal 
16:56:21 <monerobull[m]> Probably 
16:56:29 <nioc> oh something actually to do with the protocol?
16:56:31 <hinto[m]> i'm out of the loop, is there a roadmap for when/who will implement this after the audit?
16:56:31 <nioc> approve
16:56:41 <nioc> monerobull[m]: sorry, bad joke
16:56:44 <plowsof> begin of december , it will take 12~ days
16:57:09 <plowsof> vtnerd is working on a proof of concept. koe will work on implementation
16:57:14 <Rucknium[m]> This CCS proposal is an initial check on the mathematics in the paper. The paper is written by a single person without any peer review so far.
16:57:58 <Rucknium[m]> If the math is incorrect and cannot be corrected, then that's the end of the line for BP++
16:58:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> And it appears this audit will be done by cypherstack 
16:58:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> (?)
16:58:10 <plowsof> to be clear : when its merged the author will be Monero Research Lab - i ave merely applied feedback to a text document from the MRL team and contacted auditors on their behalf 
16:59:07 <plowsof> there will be more than one paper review 
16:59:07 <hinto[m]> ok sounds good
16:59:11 <plowsof>   i. [j-berman full-time 3 months part 4](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/359)    
16:59:20 <monerobull[m]> Fund 
16:59:21 <MajesticBank> more a MRL decision 
16:59:32 <plowsof> MRL have appproved it 
16:59:50 <plowsof> jut sharing/clarifying with community 
17:00:15 <Rucknium[m]> Tentatively support. Would like to see more comments/communication from jberman's fellow devs on the exact task list and scope.
17:00:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Merge berman
17:01:01 <plowsof> yes i have shared it in the seraphis no wallet left behind room, awaiting their approval 
17:01:03 <hinto[m]> Rucknium: agreed
17:01:12 <plowsof> which so far, from what ive read, they are supportive 
17:01:41 <plowsof> shold i even mention monero shopping?
17:01:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
17:01:55 <nioc> MRL supports the proposal to review the paper is good
17:01:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> So I can say burn it
17:02:09 <monerobull[m]> ONE JILLION DOLLARS
17:02:13 <nioc> yes to jberman
17:02:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Close monero shopping a week ago
17:02:30 <plowsof>   j. [MoneroShopping](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/360)    
17:02:39 <Stnby[m]> monero shopping love the idea
17:02:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> All in favor of merging?
17:02:58 <monerobull[m]> The idea is already live in Proxystore and way cheaper 
17:03:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah. Nobody.  Close it
17:03:20 <MajesticBank> next
17:03:21 <plowsof> the concept exists already yes but it was enjoyable to see 
17:03:38 <plowsof> thats it, i now want to share Ruckniums update 
17:03:41 <Stnby[m]> I like daily dose of spam from him
17:03:57 <Stnby[m]> * from him (10 emails from gitlab every morning)
17:04:06 <plowsof> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/yyohle/progress_report_on_ospead_fortifying_monero/
17:04:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Before we leave, I want consensus that plowsof should be able to collect his first milestone, and that mj should be collecting any more funds until the work is completed as initially proposed
17:04:36 <Rucknium[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/yyohle/progress_report_on_ospead_fortifying_monero/
17:04:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anyone against?
17:04:57 <plowsof> a Public version of ruckniums OSPEAD research has been released. i have not read it myself, but the first page seems 'reader friendly' 
17:05:24 <Stnby[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: never against plowsof
17:05:48 <Rucknium[m]> For those in previous -community meetings, the document linked here ^ contains the "Document A" mentioned previously, plus a lot of other research.
17:05:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj should not* be
17:06:21 <plowsof> Thank you Rucknium!
17:06:44 <Rucknium[m]> https://github.com/Rucknium/OSPEAD/blob/main/OSPEAD-Fully-Specified-Estimation-Plan-PUBLIC.pdf
17:06:52 <Rucknium[m]> ^ This file
17:07:23 <nioc> agree ooofrnxmr
17:07:58 <Siren[m]> i also agree with ofrnxmr, he is based
17:08:11 <plowsof> dont forget MoneroKons call for presentation submissions  https://cfp.monerokon.com/2023/cfp (moneropay set this up right? and are even volunteering for further help?)
17:08:39 <monerobull[m]> Uuhm
17:08:39 <ajs_[m]> comments, suggestions for improvement 
17:08:40 <monerobull[m]> Is that already REALLY live?
17:08:43 <Stnby[m]> plowsof: Digilol.net team :) but yeah same people as MoneroPay
17:08:48 <monerobull[m]> Last time it wasn't 
17:08:53 <plowsof> sorry, feedback for edits*
17:09:18 <plowsof> e.g. colour scheme? everyone was mean about the green
17:09:19 <plowsof> so it was changed/ better??
17:09:28 <ajs_[m]> should be up officially after next week's planning meeting 
17:09:28 <monerobull[m]> The green was changed, nice 
17:09:32 <plowsof> i like it 
17:09:38 <ajs_[m]> content?
17:09:50 <plowsof> llove it
17:10:25 <monerobull[m]> Submission go to the monerokon emai
17:10:33 <monerobull[m]> s/emai/email?/
17:11:15 <plowsof> this year, having a full 5 months for people to submit will be a huge improvement , thank you 
17:11:40 <Stnby[m]> I hope the event goes all well, really thrilled for it
17:12:05 <Siren[m]> I hope we'll have enough funds for Prague
17:12:11 <ajs_[m]> i get an email alert
17:12:16 <plowsof> the edit to bursary funding , i like also, seems fair
17:12:19 <Stnby[m]> If there are more IT tasks to be done for MoneroKon ping me or Siren :)
17:12:32 <Siren[m]> Anything you want to be hosted
17:12:37 <monerobull[m]> Where would hours be logged?
17:12:42 <MajesticBank> funding for the monerokon to the roof
17:13:01 <plowsof> ajs , how many top sponsors can it have?
17:13:08 <plowsof> 8kusd with only 2 spots?
17:13:13 <monerobull[m]> 3
17:13:15 <nioc> 3 spots now
17:13:17 <ajs_[m]> 3
17:13:23 <plowsof> thank you
17:13:35 <nioc> check updated budget 
17:13:40 <monerobull[m]> It's also 3 days this time 
17:13:40 <ajs_[m]> here is the draft ccs by the way https://repo.getmonero.org/ajs/ccs-proposals/-/blob/monerokon-2023-ccs-1/monerokon-2023-ccs-1.md
17:13:40 <ajs_[m]> still wip
17:13:44 <MajesticBank> more sponsors the better
17:14:19 <plowsof> how would a sponsor get on the 3 list? - is blind bidding happening? 
17:14:37 <ajs_[m]> don't know yet
17:14:37 <ajs_[m]> tbd
17:14:45 <plowsof> ok ok
17:14:48 <monerobull[m]> First come first serve?
17:14:55 <plowsof> how to be first though?
17:15:05 <ajs_[m]> open to ideas
17:15:13 <Stnby[m]> Are there usually more sponsors than the allocated amount (is the demand such high)?
17:15:31 <ajs_[m]> last event we just asked cake wallet and rino.io
17:15:56 <plowsof> there might be a bit more competition for the top spots this year (this is my guess)
17:16:00 <Rucknium[m]> Bidding is a good idea IMHO. Let the market set the price. Hopefully high enough to covers lots of cost :)
17:16:01 <Stnby[m]> Oh so we approach first?
17:16:07 <MajesticBank> it's tight, we all love to support monero
17:16:12 <nioc> last year was a bit hectic so....
17:16:23 <nioc> not much time
17:18:04 <plowsof> to follow things/meetings about monerokon -> #monero-events:monero.social 
17:18:40 <plowsof> footnote regarding twitter comment complaints     - Complaints about the official Monero Twitter tweets/behaviour [logs](https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20221119#c161084)
17:18:47 <Stnby[m]> plowsof: Every single time someone suggests a different room, the conversation halts :)
17:19:03 <MajesticBank> if someone can make ccs for meetings calendar, that would be funded most likely
17:19:32 <MajesticBank> twitter went a bit
17:20:24 <Rucknium[m]> We already have a CCS-funded meetings calendar I thought: https://monero.observer/tag/calendar/
17:20:25 <monerobull[m]> Oh yeah Twitter
17:20:32 <monerobull[m]> Not nice
17:20:55 <Stnby[m]> Feels like this room is filled with grandmas :D, Twitter seriously?
17:21:06 <Rucknium[m]> I don't know what happened, but Twitter tweeting power should be more decentralized. Cake has too many things at this point.
17:21:31 <monerobull[m]> The official Twitter account started swearing and shitting on the ada sidechain
17:21:34 <plowsof> silverpill with a new project called [Mitra](https://codeberg.org/silverpill/mitra) fediverse with monero tipping? eth wallet login? wat?
17:21:51 <Stnby[m]> Monero self-hosted mastodon, when?
17:22:06 <monerobull[m]> plowsof: It's cool but feedieverse has zero users
17:22:20 <monerobull[m]> * It's cool but fedieverse has zero users
17:22:20 <plowsof> this mitra project has "completed" a bounty (that had zero funding) https://bounties.monero.social/posts/22/0-015m-monero-tip-bot-for-mastodon-pleroma
17:22:38 <MajesticBank> Rucknium[m]: thanks, great thing
17:22:41 <Rucknium[m]> I'm thinking of spinning up a single-user Mastodon instance. I've been banned on Twotter since I created the account 🥲
17:23:17 <MajesticBank> Social networks like twitter and telegram do need some decentralization 
17:23:19 <Stnby[m]> Rucknium[m]: I was banned during the CoC adoption period.
17:23:38 <Stnby[m]> * the CoC mass adoption period.
17:24:43 <ajs_[m]> Stnby[m]: i was actually thinking about doing an "invite only" mastodon instance for monerokon.com as a perk for sponsors, VIP ticket holders, and CCS donors
17:25:29 <Rucknium[m]> *Twitter, I meant. Looks like meeting is over.
17:25:34 <plowsof> we've ran over on time so i will share the on going soloptxmr issue - gitlab comments [here](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/299#note_19583) and Reddit [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/yyohle/progress_report_on_ospead_fortifying_monero/
17:25:54 <Stnby[m]> ajs_[m]: Maybe, don't forget the speakers
17:26:06 <plowsof> plenty of reading and reviewing to do ! thank you all for attending 
17:27:27 <plowsof> oh hinto 
17:27:30 <monerobull[m]> Thanks for hosting!
17:27:50 <plowsof> https://gupax.io/
17:27:50 <nioc> thx plowsof 
17:27:56 <Stnby[m]> Oh yeah we will try to look at existing Syllius, Prefix and WooCommerce plugins and maybe estimate time needed to have this in Metronero and possibly a 3rd milestone, we will be waiting for comments on the MR. Thank you everyone for feedback
17:28:15 <plowsof> xxx
17:30:01 <plowsof> unban rayatina yes/no 
17:30:25 <MajesticBank> We are gentlemen for some of those "privacy" crypto projects. Was good meeting
17:31:13 <Siren[m]> plowsof: yes, my favorite turk
17:31:50 <ajs_[m]> Stnby:  of course, and volunteers as well
17:32:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> <plowsof> "we've ran over on time so i will..." <- Either close it, since its been taken over by a scammer 
17:32:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or dont payout until its completed as initially proposed
17:33:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Referring to solopt and mj's repeated attempts to undermine and take advantage of ccs and the community 
17:33:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> He claims youre (plowsof) incompetent for not being able to solve the issue 
17:34:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> The issue is simple - he tried to pull a fast one again, again, again, and got caught again, again. We've already paid him to go away once
17:34:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Since when does a scammer get to just keep coming back for more, and getting it - simply because we refuse to say "no".
17:35:35 <Siren[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: This time it was way too obvious
17:36:16 <Siren[m]> Why is he refusing to comment on it? He literally was like here you go guys, I removed it now let's not talk about it.
17:37:25 <Siren[m]> The messages where he accuses people of incompetency and then himself hard coding versions without providing hashes was also a bruh moment
17:37:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> And you didnt tell your partner? I mean, employee? I mean, this is my project but im leaving early even though I  specifically said I would not
17:38:22 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: I think it would be a better look if he confessed to leaving that in by accident or somehow being half awake at the time of programming and messing up the maths
17:39:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj claims its release ready, and in the same sentence called it a release candidate 
17:40:18 <Siren[m]> It's too shady
17:40:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anyway.. its a huge waste of everyones time to spend everyday worrying about what mj wants
17:40:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj. You deliver the pizza, you get paid. Kapeesh?
17:43:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> "In the most profitable way" 🥹20% net mining rewards loll
17:50:48 <silverpill[m]1> <Stnby[m]> "Monero self-hosted mastodon..." <- We have a Pleroma instance (also part of the Fediverse): https://xmrposter.club/about
17:54:18 <silverpill[m]1> <plowsof> "this mitra project has "..." <- I think the bounty description implies a hot wallet which can count tips and display received amount.
17:54:18 <silverpill[m]1> In Mitra, there's a donation button that simply displays XMR address when you click on it.
18:51:07 <DiegoSalazar[m]> <silverpill[m]1> "We have a Pleroma instance (also..." <- This is probably the way to do it. A monero.social instance of anything fediverse would be cool, but people will get mad at moderation and stuff 
18:51:23 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Let volunteers run Monero themed instances and people can join based off of rule and moderation preferences. 
18:51:41 <DiegoSalazar[m]> May be wise to link all of them in the hangouts page though. 
22:47:46 <marc0101[m]> Hello, anyone knows how it would possible for me to use this Monero for Magento 2 integration eventho I am running php 8.1?... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/dfe7e724445e9f0f8007c56baf5f9fad22722a41>)
22:51:34 <xmrscott[m]> FWIW, should be close to launching a Mastodon instance under the Monero Spaces workgroup. The recent unplanned influx has made it harder to provision HW in the final stages
23:01:19 <kinghat[m]> should be able to auth the main monero account via the getmonero.com website.
23:37:28 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Monero.social is available too?