02:20:38 <eduardo[m]1> Join my Matrix room about Open Source and Web3: #OpenSourceAndWeb3:halogen.city.
02:25:06 <nioc> I hear web4 is the thing now
02:37:04 <spacekitty420[m]> web4 is at monero-community-dev
02:37:46 <cryptogrampy[m]> Yes Eduardo, we're very big in to web4 
02:42:55 <plowsof> how can anyone here sleep knowing the 24 or 25 word ledger is coming tomorrow morning 
02:43:43 <spacekitty420[m]> too hyped up for rick and morty episode in like 24 hours to be sleeping anyways....
02:43:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> We dont sleep
02:50:58 <spacekitty420[m]> plowsof: why u no sleep?
02:52:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Solopt
02:52:40 <cryptogrampy[m]> does solopt generate sunlight when run in reverse
02:53:15 <cryptogrampy[m]> I HEARD FROM A FRIEND THAT BITCOIN IS LIKE A BATTERY
02:53:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> 80% goes to mj, so its still pretty dark 
02:54:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> I always thought bitcoin was a fairly distributed POW coin. Whats this I hear about single person owning 10% if the supply?
02:57:28 <spacekitty420[m]> xmr prob wealth centralized as well tbf
02:57:37 <spacekitty420[m]> u just don't know about it
02:57:48 <spacekitty420[m]> had a steeper and shorter emission
02:58:36 <spacekitty420[m]> and 10%, maybe it's even more, like, on separate addresses and whatnot
02:59:00 <spacekitty420[m]> maybe cz has a public cold wallet but also other multiple cold wallets for himselfs
02:59:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wasnt that a 2m instamine? 
02:59:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Premine*
02:59:43 <spacekitty420[m]> none had premine, could be considered ninja mined or whatever tho
02:59:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bitcoin didnt? 
03:00:09 <spacekitty420[m]> nah
03:00:27 <spacekitty420[m]> is just that satoshi mined a bunch of early blocks for couple years and not that many people on the network
03:00:45 <spacekitty420[m]> but about the same with monero, not that many people on the network with that 70 xmr block reward at launch u know
03:00:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> I post the dumb questions from this account. plowsof: is smarter than that 
03:01:41 <spacekitty420[m]> also iirc the estimate on satoshi holdings were more like 4 millions
03:01:46 <spacekitty420[m]> i might be wrong on that tho
03:05:59 <cryptogrampy[m]> Satoshi owns 4 million moneros?
03:06:59 <spacekitty420[m]> bitcoins* that would be even more monero if someday he just be like "aight, imma just atomic swap some of these unto moneros" o.o
03:07:43 <spacekitty420[m]> prob wont ever tho
03:08:36 <spacekitty420[m]> just gon keep building that liquid network thingy or whatever it's called and forward those private keys to his grandkids and whatnot
08:28:01 <spacekitty420[m]> so we moon yet? musk just said "Lmaooo" on twatter:
08:28:01 <spacekitty420[m]> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1594151088080719877?t=2jUyUEAuZBxOFsdWCCgXLQ&s=19
08:34:51 <sech1> Those pesky capitalists
09:31:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> If my calculations are correct we’ll need a mod in about an hr
09:49:24 <ajs_[m]> Does it say "I might change my mind for a bunch of moneros"
09:53:01 <Siren[m]> > <@spacekitty420:matrix.org> so we moon yet? musk just said "Lmaooo" on twatter:
09:53:01 <Siren[m]> > https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1594151088080719877?t=2jUyUEAuZBxOFsdWCCgXLQ&s=19
09:53:01 <Siren[m]> Hey this guy submitted a CCS some time ago, anyone remember lol
09:53:39 <Siren[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/351
09:54:05 <Siren[m]> His fault he chose a communist instance, I don't like how he's throwing shit at Mastodon for that
10:24:25 <monerobull[m]> Must have stung to not get his JILLION DOLLARS and then asked to pay in Monero 
10:24:46 <monerobull[m]> * and then right after get asked to
11:14:33 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Pwnd
11:25:24 <ajs_[m]> Added a section about bidding for the top tier sponsor slot https://repo.getmonero.org/ajs/ccs-proposals/-/blob/monerokon-2023-ccs-1/monerokon-2023-ccs-1.md#3-cypherpunk-hero-sponsorship-sealed-bid-auction
11:25:37 <ajs_[m]> Also reduced the number to only 1
11:30:25 <ajs_[m]> A potential problem is what if a blockchain surveillance company, unknown exchange, or other cryptocurrency project submits a bid
11:31:05 <ajs_[m]> Should there be preconditions to be considered a sponsor?
11:35:05 <Siren[m]> Is IVPN sponsoring again?
11:38:10 <ajs_[m]> I think so
11:39:06 <ajs_[m]> They have kindly offered us $100 off discount cards to giveaway to CCS donors
11:39:14 <rbrunner> "preconditions" I would tend to "no". Any written / pre-declared conditions will probably look bad, and you should still be able to reject a bid after receiving it - or maybe not
11:39:42 <rbrunner> (maybe not rejecting, depending on what it really is)
13:32:01 <nioc> ajs_[m]: why did you want to limit the top sponsorship to only one for 2023?  
13:41:50 <plowsof> will the blind bids be public after-the-fact? 
13:44:35 <plowsof> going from 3 to 1 would make sense (financially) if the person blind bidding pays at least 24kusd 
14:24:40 <ajs_[m]> <nioc> "ajs_: why did you want to..." <- To avoid the situation of top 3 paying substantiality different levels but getting the same benefits
14:25:09 <ajs_[m]> I think it would be fairer to have one top dog
14:25:23 <nioc> budget said 3 at 8k
14:25:35 <nioc> anyway, I have no clue  lol
14:26:12 <ajs_[m]> Made some adjustments to balance out the budget
14:27:18 <nioc> I think we know who has the biggest pockets 
14:28:42 <ajs_[m]> <plowsof> "will the blind bids be public..." <- Maybe if the names of companies are anonymized. I don't know. What do you think? 
14:40:09 <SerHack> marc0101[m]: for moneromagento you might use `|~8.0.0`, by the way it should not give you any problem
15:11:56 <nioc> Ethiopia is now on it's eighteenth month of a blackout of the internet
15:12:13 <nioc> India 100+ regional blackouts this year
15:55:01 <Rucknium[m]> ajs_: There are a million ways to structure auctions. You can make a third-price auction so that all three top sponsors pay the amount of the 3rd highest bid.
16:08:38 <ajs_[m]>  Rucknium:  seems fair and the top two would be happy to pay less than bid
16:09:11 <ajs_[m]> I'll reword it then
16:12:14 <nioc> So I only need to bid for 3rd place, hmmm
16:13:09 <nioc> Guess it depends on how many are interested 
16:25:06 <MajesticBank> I think the secret biding thing is heading into wrong direction
16:25:41 <MajesticBank> making sponsorship more of status symbol then a support to the community and the monero
16:26:43 <MajesticBank> better either ask for more money from CCS or make 10 sponsors each at 2.5k
16:27:34 <MajesticBank> if it's a bid anyway it should be transparent at least
16:46:27 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Agree. Can even make transparent tiers of sponsorship. Tier 1 Sponsorship is $10k, tier 2 is $5k, etc. and they come with such and such benefits each
16:52:30 <nioc> DiegoSalazar[m]: the original proposal was for 3 tiers with the top being 8k the other 2 were.... I forget.   current updated is 2 tiers 5k and 4k.  Benefits are a work in progress 
16:53:04 <nioc> current 1 main sponsor and 9 at 4k
16:54:33 <nioc> https://cryptpad.disroot.org/sheet/#/2/sheet/view/DWRJjhmFhIZSJddgkRDgbEi6gnMMnBFDjxpUPIiOA6Q/embed/
16:55:53 <nioc> btw my original comments were b4 I even looked at ^^
16:55:58 <nioc> such shame  :(
16:58:25 <blokzincir[m]> Hello. I have suggest for feature of monero gui. Can I write the my suggest of feature to here?
16:59:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero-gui:monero.social 
17:00:19 <blokzincir[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Should I write to you sent channel? Sir.
17:03:40 <nioc> yes that is a channel dedicated to the GUI, leave a message and hopefully someone will reply 
17:03:40 <blokzincir[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Thank you for you sent the monero gui group. Sir.
17:14:06 <spackle_xmr[m]1> Rucknium: FYI (since we spoke on Friday): 
17:14:06 <spackle_xmr[m]1> Here's where I've gotten with the dynamic block simulation: https://github.com/spackle-xmr/Dynamic_Block_Demo
17:14:06 <spackle_xmr[m]1> There are example plots for the block weights, mempool, penalty, fees, longterm median, and longterm weights under 'Plots.' They are from a run where the tx volume is a linear ramp for 300000 blocks, then drops suddenly.
17:14:06 <spackle_xmr[m]1> I'm still not confident that I got everything accounted for for v16, and the code remains fairly rough. The important calculations are in lines 45-68. I'll probably be asking for some guidance/review from someone else, but this is where I'll leave things for the moment. As a final thought, the variable naming follows Zero to Monero 7.3.
19:24:56 <chesterfield[m]> plowsof: 👆is this true???
19:25:54 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Needs a Nigerian prince
20:48:04 <Rucknium[m]> spackle_xmr: Thanks! I'll try to look at it over the next few days.
23:10:41 <eduardo[m]1> <cryptogrampy[m]> "Yes Eduardo, we're very big in..." <- What is web4?