00:00:12 Probably better # the lines out 00:00:19 Leave 18081 closed 00:00:21 ofrnxmr[m]: Port forwarding in your router* 00:00:43 Open 18080 too? 00:00:52 Or keep note of changes 00:01:02 Open 18080 too, especially if you can spare the data 00:08:13 Currently xmr network is sponging off me. Until i switch my firewall to my new pfsense.:/ 00:14:58 Working fine once you changed your router to 18089, riiiight? 00:15:04 I attempted to help coincashew with this pull request but I think there is a better fix. Is this accurate though? https://github.com/coincashew/coincashew/pull/157 00:16:44 ofrnxmr[m]: monerod starts but I still can't connect to it with my phone. 00:16:52 Accurate. 00:16:52 But I wouldnt choose one or the other. I just leave the unrestricted (127001/18081) alone and add the restricted 00:17:04 Local vm firewall? 00:17:22 Or what your using 00:17:27 First.. 00:17:52 127.0.0.1:18089/get_info in your browser on the same device as the node 00:17:54 Should work 00:20:18 Your options are(probably) 00:20:18 -Local firewall 00:20:18 - port forwarding pointed at the wrong ip 00:20:18 - connecting using the wrong ip 00:20:29 * Your options are(probably) 00:20:29 - Local firewall 00:20:29 - port forwarding pointed at the wrong ip 00:20:29 - connecting using the wrong ip 00:20:40 Good call 00:21:03 DanIsnotthemanBr: Good call 00:21:17 ofrnxmr[m]: Works now. 00:21:41 Phone connect now. THanks guys! 00:21:51 s/connect/connects/ 00:21:59 * Phone connects now. Thanks guys! 00:26:06 Have you tested over lan and wan? 00:27:39 Thats why i get paid the big bucks :/ 00:29:49 I work for fake internet money 00:35:26 Monopoly money only 00:59:10 "I work for fake internet money" <- I work for CBDC 01:49:56 CBDC smell 02:19:24 dEBRUYNE: there might have been a misunderstanding, wasnt looking help for r/xmrtrader, thanks tho <3 02:28:01 Hey guys, was recommended this community to get feedback on a CCS proposal I submitted earlier. Appreciate any help whether it's improving the proposal, feedback, or opinions. Happy to discuss privately or here. https://repo.getmonero.org/HoudiniSwap/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/1 02:28:41 Our platform's been up for 4 months and has done lots of volume, introducing a ton of people to the privacy benefits of Monero. Let me know if you have any feedback or questions, happy to discuss! 02:32:04 could you differentiate yourself from trocador.app? (which uses the api of swap services and does not have javascript) 02:33:39 and pools together non-kyc swappers already 02:35:25 How can you be 100% private but compliant ? 02:35:25 if it's using monero just as a temporary thingy to do like btc -> xmr -> ltc instead of btc -> ltc, BS companies such as ciphertrace and chainalysis probably could still figure out the trade btc -> ltc from timestamps / amounts 02:35:35 does houdini have a tor service? 02:36:00 hence why doing it manually could do like btc -> xmr -> different amount of ltc from the original amount of btc 02:40:51 "The platform is gaining traction, averaging $750,000 per week in swap volume." will we see any of that (in the form of donations to the community / projects? 02:42:50 plowsof: i think they meant "the platform" as "the monero blockchain" 02:43:06 xD oh 02:43:38 or maybe not.. am not sure 02:44:44 yeah i guess don't mind me, monero has a bit more volume than that, sowry x) 02:51:31 i give you BTC - you send it to a swapper. who send you monero back. you send the monero to another swapper who gives you BTC back (all happens on your exchange) 02:53:22 i (houdini) know about all those steps - so we're only anon if we used a tor service - but... that wouldn't require all those steps in between - just use a swap service that has a tor service 02:53:43 Appreciate the feedback, I'm not familiar with Trocador 02:53:47 so going to look into this at the moment 02:54:49 that's a bit worrying, leaves a few single point of failure from those swap exchanges... (full message at ) 02:55:01 "How can you be 100% private..." <- Great question. We contrast ourselves against virtual currency mixers. Because they hold funds in a smart contract pool, they assume liability and risk 02:56:00 houdini-swap: hard and fast no 02:56:02 We act as a conduit between multiple non-kyc liquidity partners, a middleman of sorts, and therefore we don't incur risk and liability as responsibility of funds lay with them 02:56:16 Monero isnt a conduit for money laundering or some nonsense, EFF your shitcoins 02:56:26 Lol jinx on the conduit 02:56:44 Great minds think alike, but your idea is bs and hurts privacy 02:57:02 ofrnxmr[m]: appreciate the sentiment, but there are a bunch of reasons why privacy is important for non money laundering reasons 02:57:12 who mentioned money laundering 02:57:19 Washing your money using monero is a no-no. Sounds like s good idea in theory, but it doesnt work the way you might think 02:57:25 oh right ofrnxmr did, get him! 02:57:52 ofrnxmr[m]: we already doing it manually and even promoting to do it manually tho :P 02:57:53 I think primarily as we're seeing public blockchains getting integrated in our existing financial system, it's a concern if. someone 02:57:54 houdini-swap[m]: Privacy isnt made by whoring monero 02:58:00 Its made by using it 02:58:07 Public blockchains need to die 02:58:13 Not use monero as their condom 02:58:31 If maxis need to hide their trail, they can pay for this 02:58:46 We dont need such a service, we use xmr... 02:59:01 sorry, new to matrix, its a concern if someone uses a public blockchain to pay for a service / product and that provider now has the individuals wallet history 02:59:11 Exactly. 02:59:16 So they shouldn't do it 02:59:18 Period. 02:59:24 UserA: goes to a swapper that has an Onion URL: sends xmr, receives bitcoin 02:59:24 UserB: uses houdini 02:59:24 currently UserA is anonymous , not UserB 02:59:36 They should tell those shit companies that dont give a fuck about their privacy to accept xmr directly 03:00:32 the url https://houdiniswap.com/ 03:00:32 These are all good feedback points. it's a bit hard with a back and forth on a chat to address everything that's been said 03:00:43 Wheres Seth and giacommo when you need a clear expiation of how washing shitcoings using monero is terrible for privacy 03:00:45 we understand houdini, dont worry about that 03:00:46 so I'm going to write up a response doc 03:01:33 Both for monero technicals re re rings and the peoole in the real world who think monero is tornadocash 03:01:44 No need for a response 03:01:51 Just need to educate yourself on the use cases of money vs nfts 03:02:24 Aka monero vs transparent surveillance jokes 03:02:31 UserA: goes to https://kycnot.me/ 03:02:31 UserB: goes to houdini 03:02:43 User a uses monero 03:02:52 User b, what user b? 03:03:05 > <@plowsof:matrix.org> UserA: goes to https://kycnot.me/ 03:03:05 > UserB: goes to houdini 03:03:05 We are listed on kycnot.me 03:03:17 But ill get back to reviewing these point 03:03:17 what score 03:03:23 Your response should be "stop fucking around and use monero" 03:03:24 8/10 03:03:40 8/10 - no tor service available 03:03:47 Maxis love thinking they have a blockchain but if you rely on monero that shit doesnt work 03:03:59 Tell Bitcoin to implement monero's features. Ill wait 03:04:21 Bunch of joke blockchains think we should fund their insecurities 03:04:37 plowsof: seems like u just nitpicking now 😹 03:04:41 Just go out in public and wear a monero shirt, stop shilling garbage = happiness 03:04:55 no tor service is unacceptable for an anon swapper 03:05:12 Need xmr flag for my car ;) 03:05:29 plowsof: thats a very solid point. appreciate you bringing this up 03:05:34 plowsof: Lmfao 03:05:49 sorry for nitpicking ! 03:05:52 People who use monero as a condom, I mean conduit, arent anon 03:06:02 Their fools who use the wrong tools 03:06:20 plowsof: no this is all great feedback 03:06:23 plowsof: and tor also have it's own set of risks that come with it, including entities like KAX17 that runs a bunch of malicious entry nodes and whatnot.... 03:06:25 i find this very constructive 03:07:09 Throw bricks and build houses 🎯 03:09:28 Id have to say that something like this is an attack on the blockchain an should be funded by shitcoiners who need it 03:10:25 While I get that A LOT of people DO this in practice, its wrong and is an elephant in the room that needs to stop 03:10:32 what happens during a bull run when BTC fees are high and you have to swap it back and forth 03:10:46 But wont stop until NGU types stop using monero to on/off load from exchanges 03:10:49 right, there's already atomic swap btc <-> xmr, noot also been working on eth <-> xmr, a swap like the one proposed here, like mentioned earlier is just too similar to something like tornadocash which is not really the usecase for monero... 03:11:56 Bloating blockchains with bullshit tx 03:12:03 monero is meant to be used as is like cash, not as an intermediary tool for one of those surveillance blockchain like btc 03:12:22 Whats wrong with lIgHtNiNg 03:12:34 Or cOinJoIn 03:12:45 Layer 1 or die 03:13:12 thank you for chairing the meeting Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate) 03:13:17 You're not money. Even the governments fake bullshit fiat is more private than whatever trash you want to pretend is digital gold or a transfer if value 03:13:51 The CBDC will be more private than btc 03:13:55 Lol 03:14:18 One entity knows all 03:14:27 Me :/ 03:14:32 Theres a reason the fed researches monero and references mrl 03:14:48 Its not because they want to use a public blockchain 🥹 03:15:00 A transparent ledger * 03:15:13 ofrnxmr[m]> Wheres Seth and giacommo when you need a clear expiation of how washing shitcoings using monero is terrible for privacy <<>> seth has left the building 03:15:30 Yessirrrrr he did 03:16:43 What happened to Seth 03:16:59 He not even in this channel anymore?? 03:17:05 he went to work for a btc entity 03:17:22 left all montero channels 03:17:25 seth too busy keeping digging graves for the bitcoin fungibility graveyard... 03:17:52 Is he gone has he? 03:17:55 nioc: Did he really? 03:18:00 yes 03:18:08 Ahhh makes sense 03:18:11 Why would he leave thi 03:18:56 he was at the June Monerokon 03:19:20 Coinbase 03:19:36 Houdiniswap 03:20:07 Maybe he’ll get Foundation devices to build out a Monero wallet 03:20:16 he wouldn't go to CB lol 03:20:51 Hang on 03:21:10 sloopy 03:21:46 plowsof: meeting adjourned 03:21:57 🔨 03:22:05 thnx 03:22:57 simple-monerod lives on 03:23:03 wait wtf, that's legit, he on that bitcoin hardware wallet thingy? 03:23:13 he can never leave us 03:23:14 checking his reddit history 03:23:16 like... wut 03:23:31 Blood in,blood out ;) 03:23:32 dont make no sense 03:24:38 I forget where he went 03:24:47 u guz gunna have to figure it out 03:25:16 How do you get mass adoption for monero? It’s tools like houdini swap that are going to bring in the masses to understand privacy. 03:25:17 Good branding 03:25:17 Easily understandable 03:25:26 moneromasta[m]: No it isnt 03:25:31 Chainanalyse it 03:25:53 new account / shill 03:25:54 Spend xmr fund to find seth 03:25:56 Cipher Trace is not going to be able to trace it 03:26:23 i think seth just got compromised by the glowies, like, it's literally the glowies that took over his handle, the only explanation that makes sense, just sayin..... 03:26:23 plowsof: Yeah, not hiding that lol 03:26:36 Oo 03:26:55 I’m fully lubed up and wearing eh condom that is houdini swap 03:27:01 respect the hustle! seth may have just 'got a job' and has not much spare time 03:27:03 Ready to f*** 03:27:06 Its tools like Houdini that enable people to use apecoin like money, while bloating the monero blockchain. Not to mention owning outputs and time attacks 03:27:08 moneromasta: are you houdini-swap alt account? 03:27:10 😂 03:27:18 Monero is raw 03:27:18 hahah 03:27:20 Fuck your condom 03:27:25 ofrnxmr[m]: Bloating!? 03:27:31 This is a use case of monero 03:27:33 Yeah, bloating 03:27:34 no i'm just taking the time to look at trocader and respond to your earlier points 03:27:38 Thats what fake tx are, bload 03:27:55 I dont run nodes to support double tx on nonsense blockchains 03:28:04 ^^^ 03:28:10 plowsof: Theway interweb works is we go straight the worst scenario 03:28:22 > <@plowsof:matrix.org> respect the hustle! seth may have just 'got a job' and has not much spare time 03:28:22 * The way interweb works is we go straight the worst scenario 03:28:25 ofrnxmr[m]: That’s such a harsh perspective. Monero is a privacy coin and this use case enables privacy. 03:28:31 No 03:28:34 Monero is money 03:28:41 The rest is just a bunch if noise 03:28:56 using Monero enables privacy 03:29:04 If you need monero, whatever youre using isnt money 03:29:34 ofrnxmr[m]: Yeah, but it’s money that’s not so easy to spend yet. People need to understand why privacy is important first. Then they can start trying it on their own. 03:29:40 and to get the most out of Monero is very complicated, you use it 03:29:50 Houdini Swap is like training wheels 03:29:52 No. You dont need to understand a damn thing 03:29:56 Except that shitcoins are shit 03:30:11 Its not about what monero does, its about what shitcoins do 03:30:21 They expose everything. 03:30:29 Yeah exactly 03:30:29 Monero just does what money does 03:30:47 Houdini Swap goes on spaces and people are like “whaaaatt, people can see my transactions?” 03:30:49 moneromasta[m]: with risk of one of those intermediary swap exchange to lock the funds for some whatever reason.... 03:31:06 moneromasta[m]: And thats when you tell them yeah, use monero 03:31:16 Not, yeah wash your coins for potentially dirty coins 03:31:18 Lmao 03:31:24 And get caught doing it 03:31:33 spacekitty420[m]: Every exchange on houdini swap has a refund policy. 03:31:38 Wow 03:31:44 Unneeddd 03:31:46 I use monero 03:31:46 they're still centralized 03:31:49 Tornado cash moment 03:31:54 serai not out yet 03:32:08 houdini-swap: I think you need an orange pill 03:32:12 soon™ 03:32:12 ofrnxmr[m]: It’s not for washing coins. It’s to give “shitcoins” some privacy-like features. 03:32:22 o.o 03:32:25 moneromasta[m]: Yeah, washing coins 03:32:35 Why else would someone pay 2 tx fees lmao 03:32:41 Monero cost less than 1 lmao 03:32:44 Let me ask you this 03:32:51 Do you appreciate privacy? 03:32:57 y-yes 03:32:59 Yes 03:33:00 Should others appreciate privacy? 03:33:06 y... yes 03:33:06 Yes 03:33:21 I SEE WHWRE THIS IS GOING 03:33:28 So a tool that gives people privacy is now exclusively for washing coins 03:33:28 haha 03:33:36 No 03:33:41 That tool doesnt give people privacy 03:33:47 It gives them the illusion of privacy 03:33:47 moneromasta[m]: it's not privacy if their transactions are still linked together from that timestamp/amount thingy that apparently would be a thing with the houdini proposal 03:33:50 Yall maxis are dreamers 03:34:01 We at monero, live it 03:34:06 We dont dream about magic monwy 03:34:10 We have it 03:34:20 people want convenience https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/zXkSfRLgjPaiCiUjfTHAFxWY/media_Fdv2IpMUAAI0w_P.jpeg 03:34:29 spacekitty420[m]: Okay, if Cypher Trace can’t track the tx, would you put on the houdini swap condom? 03:34:33 It’s used though… 03:34:42 Cbdc will destroy bitcoin when its got a Lil privacy 03:34:51 Why? Because fiat is better than btc for the same reason 03:35:00 If btc had privacy, it would rule the world 03:35:06 Yall sit back and let your chains be trash 03:35:13 Dont come here, go talk to them 03:35:24 Tell them "WE WANT MONERO" 03:35:27 moneromasta: am xmr maxi and wouldnt have a use for that, am not the right person to ask that 03:35:52 yes, other coins need the service, maybe they should fund it 03:36:04 Im not even a maxi, I just dont fuck with garbage joke excuses 03:36:13 nioc: agreed 03:36:29 +1 03:36:35 I literally can’t wrap my head around why a use case for monero like houdini swap isn’t viewed as a use case 03:36:49 And it generally pisses me off that maxis plug their ears and pretend to care about privacy 03:36:59 While running around like idiots pretending to do something about it 03:37:18 Either use monero or get your blockchain in spending shape 03:37:26 Otherwise, stop dreaming. Its never gonna happen 03:37:26 moneromasta: same as xmr <-> btc, the btc side only benefit from it while the xmr side basically have the risk of ending up with tainted bitcoin.... so that's why it should have been funded by btc maxi rather than xmr community 03:37:37 how does it improve using monero? marketing? 03:37:37 * moneromasta: same as xmr \<-> btc atomic swaps, the btc side only benefit from it while the xmr side basically have the risk of ending up with tainted bitcoin.... so that's why it should have been funded by btc maxi rather than xmr community 03:37:37 We stole most of our features from btc proposals 03:37:49 BTC is naked because yall like being naked 03:37:59 yes I do 03:38:17 Get sunburnt being in the nude 03:38:18 spacekitty420 @spacekitty420:catgirl.cloud: youre gonna unleash me haha. Ive stfu about atomic swaps but my sentiments exactly 03:38:27 0 benefit to xmr 03:39:34 i would do the same for my friend too moneromasta , than you for defending him against the meanies 03:39:40 All for dumbass hackers who need to dump their dirty trash 🥹. 03:40:00 Personally, if you want to send me btc im going to do AML on your ass 03:40:09 Gotta be dumb trying to taint my wallet 03:42:20 Any closing comments? 03:42:26 😬 03:43:02 meeting adjourned ?? 03:43:16 Readjourned 😶‍🌫️ 03:45:20 Will check schedule and book another date 03:45:31 Next case on the docket 03:48:13 moneromasta & houdini-swap : trocador will also eventually be integrated in stack wallet so could straight up do the swap from there as well so like, users could just very well be doing btc -> xmr, hodl for a little bit then xmr -> ltc straight up without leaving that 1 stop shop wallet basically 03:48:46 "how does it improve using monero..." <- Awareness and more volume? It’s basically an onramp to monero 03:49:31 More volume? Foh 03:49:50 spacekitty420[m]: Okay so then you think trocador is a good solution? 03:49:55 Who wants your "every shitcoin" tx volume if monero isnt accepted anywhere? 03:49:57 I think we’re getting somewhere!! 03:50:01 What are we, your layer 2? 03:50:04 Your side bitch? 03:50:19 moneromasta[m]: 9 feet deep 03:50:22 Nah, shitcoins are the layer 2 03:50:31 BTC? 03:50:36 moneromasta: serai would be as a decentralized exchange, swap exchanges comes with their own set of risk, majesticbank had drama, fixedfloat locking funds and so on... 03:50:39 If its transparent, its a shitcoin 03:50:51 COINS aka MONEY should not be transparent 03:50:58 * decentralized exchange, centralized swap exchanges 03:51:11 Should meaning isnt 03:52:04 Only sorry excuses for scams like btc and its clones, eth and its tokens claim to ve money 03:52:07 Its like a chick with a dick 03:52:09 You're not a women #cancelled 03:52:14 ofrnxmr[m]: This is training wheels to monero adoption. If monero one step removed is accepted (monero direct to btc), then maybe vendors will start opening their eyes a bit more. 03:52:45 No 03:53:08 Training wheels? We go raw. Head first. Learn the hard way or come over on your own 03:53:15 then vendors know that monero was an intermediary? 03:53:24 ofrnxmr[m]: Put a condom on her and you have houdini swap. Side chick with dick wearing condom. 03:53:27 Go big or go home 03:53:49 R a w 03:54:05 houdini has some token "$POOF" 03:54:19 Okay fine that’s fair. Raw is a totally good argument and raw is better than houdini swap 03:54:23 moneromasta: it's not a training wheel to monero adoption, what is are thing like cakewallet that doing the whole cakepay thingy to provide goods and services accessible through monero 03:54:23 Nobody could argue that 03:54:31 no, not a token& 03:54:42 And a Houdini swap is the opposite 03:54:57 Its terrible for monero 03:55:05 Buncha fucking leeches 03:55:09 gn, have fun guys 03:55:10 Tbh i stopped at 100%private and compliant 03:55:18 gn 03:55:27 nioc: cheers 03:55:49 Gn nioc 03:55:55 Moneromasta change your name 03:55:59 DanIsnotthemanBr: Fair. 03:56:01 More like moneropasta 03:56:34 Really though, go shill this to shutcoiners 03:56:52 Id love to rub in their faces that its just an admission that their money aint money 03:56:52 Bs meter triggered for buzz words 03:57:16 But as far as benefit to monero -500 03:57:21 DanIsnotthemanBr: Yeah, agreed. 03:57:40 ofrnxmr[m]: Fine, I get where you’re coming from. 03:57:49 Monero raw is better 03:57:50 Houdini swap is no use to you 03:58:02 To anyone 03:58:04 Friends, can ledger nano s connect to monerujo? 03:58:04 But you’re not the masses unfortunately 03:58:08 Warts and all 03:58:18 Whatever you use it for: you should have used moneron 03:58:30 It’s true 03:58:32 Just because you guys use square tires doesnt make them useful 03:58:56 Its not rocket science 03:59:01 I think you’re forgetting what it’s like to be new to crypto 03:59:04 And not know anything 03:59:07 Go talk to btc, bch, ltc, whoever and tell them to stop fucking around 03:59:09 They wont 03:59:16 People have no idea what privacy means 03:59:20 Or how traceable everything is 03:59:25 good idea to include outreach/marketing ability of houdiniswap 03:59:27 Friends, can ledger nano s connect to monerujo? 03:59:29 They know what privacy is 03:59:37 Its fiat 03:59:45 Bitcoin takes away their privacy 04:00:00 https://anhdres.medium.com/how-to-use-monerujo-with-the-ledger-nano-s-758fff199bb4 04:00:01 Yeah, you know this. But nobody else does. 04:00:15 Houdini swap is educating people 04:00:28 ulaanbatur[m]: #monerujo:monero.social 04:00:29 moneromasta[m]: being new to crypto should start with the basis of self custody their own funds with a monero paper wallet imo, learning how to restore that wallet and whatnot, not jumping from shitcoins to shitcoins without learning anything 04:00:29 And bringing more eyes and understanding to monero 04:00:32 Houdiniswap DOA 04:01:06 spacekitty420[m]: Yeah, good luck getting people to start there 04:01:14 Houdini swap gets asked what is monero ALL THE TIME 04:01:16 Monero funds tools to enhance btc privacy 04:01:18 Bahahahah 04:01:24 Agree with Kitty again. Being new to crypto should start with facts. Not dreams, fairy tails and NGU 04:01:28 moneromasta[m]: Thanks 04:01:46 Can ledger nano s plus and ledger nano x be connected to monerujo? 04:02:03 moneromasta[m]: So keep it going, but dont expect us to pay to flood our blockchain with shitcoiner washing 04:02:33 ulaanbatur[m]: https://anhdres.medium.com/how-to-use-monerujo-with-the-ledger-nano-s-758fff199bb4 04:03:05 ofrnxmr[m]: There is about only ledger nano s. 04:03:23 ofrnxmr[m]: I hate to break it to you, but I think we became friends today 04:03:36 Oo 04:03:46 moneromasta[m]: and they would probably learn better when seeing websites like coincards, shopinbit and whatnot that are directly accepting monero as a currency, instead of from an intermediary to make their btc <-> ltc day trading slightly more obfuscated, just my opinion... 04:03:46 👉👈 04:04:57 For Monero If 24 words in Ledger device are converted to 25 words in ledger device (electrum/monero) can 25 words in ledger device be transferred to monero gui or not? Is 25 words possible to transferred from ledger device to monero gui, not typing with computer keyboard? 04:05:26 ^ yall fell for it with that ledger s question eh? knew it from start o.o 04:05:27 me smort 04:05:28 :3 04:05:33 spacekitty420[m]: Using monero as a privacy tool for other coins is a use case. Getting random buddy to go to sit down and learn about monero is more likely after buddy has used houdini swap b 04:05:46 What if houdini swap had a monero education centre? 04:05:49 ulaanbatur[m]: plowsof: ban 04:05:51 Would that make it better 04:05:54 Asap 04:05:57 No no no 04:06:01 Please 04:06:01 plowsof: 04:06:06 I only ask 04:06:11 moneromasta[m]: And linked to all of the cool things here 04:06:13 Please 04:06:27 Do not kidding me 04:06:35