00:13:02 <alpharabius[m]> I need 2 get my money up
00:14:17 <alpharabius[m]> But no jobs want me
00:52:08 <escapethe3ra[m]> https://monero.observer/p2pool-breaks-314.4-hashrate-ath/
02:37:42 <alpharabius[m]> https://monero.observer/rayatina-submits-monero-source-code-archive-library-ccs-proposal/
02:38:01 <alpharabius[m]> Once again i am on monero observer
02:54:07 <alpharabius[m]> Befriending 3ra was the best idea i ever had
02:55:15 <alpharabius[m]> Or one of the best plowsof gave me
02:55:24 <alpharabius[m]> Bcuz i love you guys 
04:40:11 <Martin77[m]> guys can anyone help me its not monero related
05:22:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero:monero.social  or #monero-offtopic:monero.social perhaps 
07:48:46 <MajesticBank> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/z51c19/warning_incoming_payments_can_confirmed_but/
07:56:35 <monerobull[m]> Well
07:57:07 <monerobull[m]> Technically you can only lock for like 2 or 4 years
07:57:23 <monerobull[m]> Not forever ;)
07:57:30 <MajesticBank> from wallet-cli
07:58:07 <MajesticBank> but otherwise there is no limit, if modify anything
07:59:05 <monerobull[m]> I thought it had some maximum amount of blocks for locktime?
07:59:37 <monerobull[m]> It was discussed some time ago when we thought about removing locktime entirely 
07:59:58 <MajesticBank> Rucknium[m] recently wrote that he played with it and locked it like for 12572839583y6894723894723 blocks
08:01:02 <MajesticBank> list of affected services was like huge
08:01:43 <monerobull[m]> Is this some real bug or people just not checking if there's a locktime at all?
08:04:38 <MajesticBank> can' blame anyone, docs were light however
08:06:08 <MajesticBank> https://deploy-preview-2083--barolo-time-757cf9.netlify.app/resources/developer-guides/wallet-rpc.html#get_transfer_by_txid
08:06:16 <MajesticBank> fixed in here
08:06:45 <MajesticBank> however might take some time for this to be merged
09:20:49 <Siren[m]> plowsof: can you add another CNAME for www.monerodevs.org to monerodevs.org?
09:42:41 <Siren[m]> plowsof: add A record for monerodevs.org to 157.90.238.71
09:42:41 <Siren[m]> add AAAA record for monerodevs.org to 2a01:4f8:1c1e:bf05::1
09:42:41 <Siren[m]> CNAME for monerodevs.org is not possible my sleepy ass told you to do something wrong
10:25:39 <MajesticBank> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/z54bdn/my_view_of_monero_decentralized_development/
10:27:12 <MajesticBank> couldn't be shorter
10:35:49 <Siren[m]> I wouldn't fund such a person who's clearly delusional and is undermining his peers. What are the chances he won't do it again to other people he works with?
10:37:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> I don't see any reason for him to stop when its paying the bills with no resistance 
10:38:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> But in regards to the old proposal to add comit swaps to gui, I have a hard time believing any third party swaps will be in gui any time soon, if at all
10:38:40 <Siren[m]> Let's trust him on the dev tax, sure it's accidental. After reading the arguments between endor and him on the CCS proposal he's clearly being malicious and manipulative to any reader who might not have any context.
10:39:24 <Siren[m]> Take a look at this one where mj is lying about homeassistant: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/299#note_19426
10:40:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Guy is bonkers, and an amateur scammer. He just has nobody with the balls to tell him to stfu
10:40:08 <Siren[m]> He's lying about how it's centralized, prone to censorship and surveillance. REMIND YOU HOMEASSISTANT IS AN OPEN SOURCE SELF-HOSTABLE project.
10:40:28 <Siren[m]> He's intentionally posting bullshit articles that are unrelated to homeassistant to make endor seem bad.
10:40:47 <Siren[m]> Why is MAGIC funding this guy???
10:40:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> He posts bullshit all day, like how im ooo123 😆😆
10:41:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> He also keeps tongue in cheek saying im the reason he added the dev tax 
10:43:09 <Siren[m]> That's a bullshit excuse
10:43:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its a contradiction 
10:43:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> It cant be an accident AND something he did because he was told to
10:44:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anyway, the guy is a knows liar and Luigi keeps paying him
10:44:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> luigi1111w:  .....
10:45:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Need to stop enabling this behavior. Making me want to create an alt and throw our a scam ccs and laugh at how easy it is to rip off the community
10:45:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Throw out* a well worded* scam ccs
10:46:10 <Siren[m]> "Having the payment risk from M3 in mind, and seeing how harsh it was pushed on the Monero Moon CCS to introduce a **business model** here and here, I thought that I'd experiment with such a business model as well, just in case I don't get paid for neither M3 nor M4. So far most of you have confirmed my prediction about the payment drama... revisited." From mj's explanation on reddit
10:46:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^^ and he accuses perfect-daemon of that
10:46:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> But it was ne
10:47:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Brand new alt", yeah, too bad my GH is over 3 years old
10:48:00 <Siren[m]> He calls it a business model
10:48:23 <Siren[m]> Says it wasn't hidden guys I posted it on a report on reddit that nobody fucking reads!
10:48:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> The title of the ccs is mining with the most profitability 
10:48:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Adding 80% skim = youre a liar 
10:49:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why is there even a debate about paying him. Its a fucking joke if you ask me.
10:49:28 <Siren[m]> How are we supposed to track people's updates if they post it on reddit, twitter and anywhere else other than here during community meetings
10:50:09 <Siren[m]> I think it should be CCS policy that you must participate in the meetings and you must not implement a dev tax unless community decides otherwise
10:51:23 <Siren[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I'm currently more disgusted about the fact how he treats endor, imagine him working on something more important with other people
10:53:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is how it needs to go:
10:53:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1. Endor finished m3, then layout for m3 goes out. M4 is laid when Final product is delivered. Tldr. Stfu and do as you proposed in the proposal. 
10:53:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2. We close the ccs for repeated malicious behavior - attempted early pay, attempted stolen funds from partner, attempted deliver of a releace candidate, and an accidental 80% skim. Then, of they want, Endor and/or mj, together or separately can open new proposals for m3 and m4. -- new proposals because mj clearly wants one and cant honor this kbe
10:54:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Siren[m]: Mj said he refuses because the meetings are unmoderated and that my vote shiuldnt count 😆😆 and geonic1: gave it a thumbs up 🥹
10:55:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Reality: mj billed his time for the meetings.
10:55:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Reality: mj left community because he didnt want to retract death threats 
10:55:41 <Siren[m]> Did we make it clear in CCS policy that you cannot count the time spent in community meetings as work? If not, we should
10:55:55 <Siren[m]> So we can point to it and say that he violated that
10:55:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> No, its not a rule
10:56:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj is just a scammer 
10:56:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> He billed for 13+ hours to count his hours
10:56:21 <Siren[m]> I get what you mean 
10:56:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> He billed for reviews he didnt do
10:56:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> We still paid him. KNOWING he was a bullshit scammer
10:56:40 <Siren[m]> But if it's written somewhere we can avoid unnecessary arguments 
10:56:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nitpicking 
10:57:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Technically were all very good people for attending for free
10:57:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Often meetings are missing people who are paid to be there
10:57:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Meetings IRL
10:58:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> So im not mad at him for charging to attend 
10:58:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> But saying he stopped for any other reason is bullshit.
10:59:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> 13 hours billed to count his hours 🥹
10:59:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Billed for doing a find and replace of Github to GitHub
10:59:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> billed for reviewing 7760, when he just shitposted all over it
11:00:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> And.. we paid him. Why? It was supposed to be paying him to go away. Like severance.
11:00:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Now, not even a few months later hes trying to fuck endor and ccs and were about to pay him again 
11:00:59 <MajesticBank> If you ask me community meetings should have larger consensus, should be mainstream and available for everyone to comment / vote on css proposals
11:01:09 <MajesticBank> Not just us 4-5-6 to vote on proposals but 20-30 people, on telegram also, it much harder to manipulate when there is larger group of people
11:01:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Community says "NO!", but plowsof:  and luigi1111w:  wont tell this guy "NO!". They say. Lets talk and see if we can bend over for you
11:01:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> MajesticBank: Lmfao
11:01:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> 30 people on telegram YOLO
11:02:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> A bunch of people who cant find their way to matrix or ccs shouldn't be voting with anything but dollars 
11:02:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Voting with anything but xmr
11:03:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> People are easily manipulated by fud, scammers, whatever.
11:03:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> If telegram was voting, sgp would be rip, @monero twitter would be run by orange pills 4.0 or whatever they are onto now 
11:04:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is a workgroup 
11:04:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not a twitter poll
11:06:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Often meetings are missing..." <- Re: not just 4-5-6 people 
11:09:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Those who attend, attend because we dedicate the time to read proposals and attend the meetings. Those who dont, dont because they dont want to.
11:10:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> It doesnt take a genius to be a part of the community, just someone that decides to take that step
11:12:18 <Siren[m]> telegram is more prone to scammers/spammers, it's more unmoderated
11:13:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> A lot of noise 
11:14:06 <Siren[m]> I don't think we should bridge it
11:14:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Agreed
11:14:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> But majestic wants telegrammers opinion 😆
11:16:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> But to go back a bit. I dont think its beneficial to monero to add atomic swaps to gui
11:16:20 <MajesticBank> decentralization and larger consensus, sign me up
11:16:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its neither 
11:16:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its noise 
11:17:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> If it was larger consensus, why dont they go to GitLab?
11:17:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its the same 4-6 people commenting on GitLab. The donators and people who talk on Reddit dont give two shits about being involved
11:17:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> The ones who do, are involved. Obviously
11:18:29 <Siren[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> This is how it needs to go:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/cc609e0fc6418e972d85038b1583cf620bea5391>)
11:20:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Luigi just gonna keep paying scammers though 
11:20:28 <devduck[m]> hii
11:20:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Whats the point of having rules etc if when they are broken you are given a cookie and a warning
11:21:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Paid to stop whining in public 
11:23:55 <Siren[m]> <Siren[m]> "> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social..." <- From what I have seen from past proposals few examples include:
11:23:55 <Siren[m]> - Free software license violations (GPL, MIT etc)
11:23:55 <Siren[m]> - Proprietary service/demo/product/program. (This is already in the CCS rules)
11:23:55 <Siren[m]> - Introducing dev tax without consulting the community
11:24:10 <Siren[m]> > <@siren:kernal.eu> We have common sense therefore we can tell malicious behavior. But we should really define it here: https://ccs.getmonero.org/what-is-ccs/... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/35108b25e7308c19e651e7e2c55ce96b5de15ac7>)
11:27:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> The number 1 problem isnt the rules 
11:27:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its why plowsof was appointed 
11:27:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lack of oversight 
11:28:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Luigi hitting the merge/pay button because hes gettign bullied and doesnt have time to argue
11:28:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stupidity 
11:28:36 <Siren[m]> To add to the rules:
11:28:36 <Siren[m]> - Proposers must keep the community updated through community meetings.
11:28:36 <Siren[m]> - Proposers must have a demo, either open source code that can be ran and verified or already deployed by the proposer.
11:28:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^ I dont agree 
11:29:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Koe doesnt come to community meeting or had a demo
11:29:35 <Siren[m]> we can add an exception for core devs or reviewers etc
11:30:26 <Siren[m]> but if it is a monero community development project (external program that isn't within the monero-project), they should provide a demo
11:30:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think each ccs is different, but there should be a discginction between... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/b75d5f74046720bd61cf11f71bb9289d19232f12>)
11:31:19 <Siren[m]>  * we can add an exception for core devs, reviewers, research involving core functionality etc
11:31:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont think a demo is necessary 
11:31:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Unless they are asking for a milestone 0
11:31:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> (For work already done)
11:32:49 <Siren[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I get it but shit like monero.shopping needs a demo up front
11:33:06 <Siren[m]> what they call demo isn't a demo, has nothing to with their proposal
11:33:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero.shopping needs to find funding elsewhere
11:33:53 <Siren[m]> but I think it should be policy that people should update the community through this chat
11:34:36 <Siren[m]> not through reddit and not through editing gitlab descriptions every minute
11:34:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> IMO they should have to attend the me meetings, at least.
11:34:58 <Siren[m]> they can post an update and link here at the time of the meetings or before
11:35:01 <Siren[m]> but must post here
11:35:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> The problem is.....
11:35:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj
11:35:39 <Siren[m]> it must be plowsof's job to keep track but I'm not gonna sign up on some proprietary platform to track your shenanigans 
11:35:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> We waste fucking time everyday on dumb bullshit like trying to please scammers 
11:35:52 <Siren[m]> s/must/might/
11:35:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> When we should be following up with ongoing ccs 
11:36:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> But again, at the next meeting, the mj shit will waste more time instead 
11:37:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> IRL this issue should have taken less than 48 hours to resolve 
11:37:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not weeks
11:37:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> For some solar project project that nobody except for mj has ever used
11:37:59 <Siren[m]> if there are multiple proposers for one proposal and we see "internal conflict", we should probably close the proposal 
11:38:33 <Siren[m]> let them submit another
11:38:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> There is one proposer 
11:38:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj
11:38:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Who guaranteed he would complete the ccs, with or without endor 
11:38:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Now, mj claims he wants to leave endor holding the final piece of the puzzle 😭
11:38:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Scammer
11:39:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Went to leave early*
11:39:36 <selsta> solopt is just another way for mj to monetize his tsqsim software
11:39:53 <selsta> he did it on 4 occasions now
11:40:18 <selsta> first he was funded as a monero dev and instead spent 3 months on tsqsim even though that wasn't his proposal
11:40:42 <selsta> then he opened a proposal to work on tsqsim which was rejected
11:41:12 <selsta> then the solopt thing which is just another way for him to monetize tsqsim, and now his MAGIC proposal which again is tsqsim
11:43:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> I really dont understand luigi1111:  and plowsof:  willingness to play along
11:44:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> IMO.. either he stfu and does what hes supposed to do and get paid on schedule, or he can be loud and kick and scream on his way out the door. 
11:44:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> He's not entitled to any funds. He's already been paid for work he didnt do
11:45:12 <selsta> geonic supports mj? or did i read the backlog wrong?
11:45:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> If mj is starving and needs charity, he should say so. But statements like "I expect my money in 2 weeks".
11:45:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj. Stfu. How about NOOOOOOOO
11:45:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> selsta: Sounded that way to me
11:45:30 <selsta> lmao not surprised
11:45:45 <Siren[m]> he lies to people he feels close to
11:45:59 <Siren[m]> that's been my experience with him
11:46:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> And he avoids people like me
11:47:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im the reason hes not here.
11:47:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not talking behind his back. He ran away and never came back. Next time I saw him, he accused me of being perfect daemons brand new alt
11:47:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Flattering. Really, it is. But in not PD
11:49:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> The forced irony / reverse psychology is that he accuses plowsof of not doing his job - implying Plowsof job is to assist mj in an easy scam
12:10:58 <spacekitty420[m]> ofrnxmr: did u do the drinking thingy again and rambling about mj again? o.o
12:11:00 <spacekitty420[m]> 🍿
12:12:56 <spacekitty420[m]> had that fren that like, erytime he was drinking some alcolol he started rambling about snowden and whatnot, reminds me of that a lil bit 😹
12:12:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im blaming Maj3stic
12:13:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im sober though 😶‍🌫️😶‍🌫️
12:13:33 <spacekitty420[m]> uh? what for?
12:14:00 <spacekitty420[m]> thought majesticbank basically had same arguments as you do
12:14:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> He did, but he brought up mj and atomic swaos
12:15:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Being implemented in gui. I couldnt resist
12:15:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think we, me and kitty, both feel the same way about atomic swaps and who they benefit 
12:16:08 <spacekitty420[m]> oh, i might have missread that, thought he was talking about eventually being the first to implement it on their majesticbank website, not monero-gui
12:16:33 <spacekitty420[m]> i still like the idea of atomic swap being a thing tho...
12:16:45 <spacekitty420[m]> like, we don't have monero atm in here but liek a couple btc atm for example
12:17:07 <spacekitty420[m]> in this case atomic swap could be useful to just swap those btc into xmr
12:17:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> But it involves selling xmr for dirty btc, which is bad for just about anyone with xmr
12:17:58 <erembax[m]> I'm running the GUI with a local node. Is there a way to get the daemon to start automatically when I start the computer and when I resume from suspend?
12:18:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Normies dont use BTC on the blockchain
12:18:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> erembax:  what os?
12:18:31 <spacekitty420[m]> erembax: scheduled task in of windows, cron job if on linux or something like that
12:18:44 <erembax[m]> Ubuntu
12:18:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Linux you should just be able to add it to startup applications 
12:19:12 <erembax[m]> I used the daemon before with Feather and tried creating a systemd script but couldn't get it to work
12:19:48 <spacekitty420[m]> there's been a change with the rc.local thingy few versions ago but i think is basically just creating the file manually nowadays, is something that should be pretty easy to google i think
12:20:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont like using systemd
12:20:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> I use a start script like.. #!/bin/sh... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/dffdb2aecdc7d88560e8a775d65111b6344be9de>)
12:21:14 <spacekitty420[m]> ayyyyyy `tmux` fren \o/
12:21:14 <spacekitty420[m]> /huggies <3
12:21:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> But of course, only works after login 
12:21:39 * ofrnxmr[m] uploaded an image: (311KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/monero.social/bVmLhbafCPZnGxhKDElEJKMK/Imagepipe_594.jpg >
12:22:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Making frens everyday! 🥳
12:23:10 <erembax[m]> spacekitty420[m]: I tried to google it and found some systemd scripts people used but for some reason they don't work, or they only work after booting not after resume
12:24:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> After resume = before resume it was running?
12:24:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Should still be running.. probably just have to wait for connections
12:24:31 <spacekitty420[m]> bandaid would be the script you using for booting and then a cron job that just restart the service every hours, idk, i lazy LOL
12:25:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Checks every 10 mins and restarts if its down 😝
12:25:13 <erembax[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: monerod would start after boot but wouldn't restart after closing the laptop and opening back up (suspend/resume)
12:25:27 <erembax[m]> spacekitty420[m]: I don't have that systemd script anymore deleted it
12:26:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monerod was not running before suspend?
12:26:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Then it shouldn't start on resume
12:26:43 <erembax[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: it was
12:26:52 <erembax[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Then it shouldn't start on resume
12:26:52 <erembax[m]>  * it was running before suspend
12:27:02 <Rucknium[m]> <MajesticBank> "Rucknium recently wrote that..." <- This must have been someone else. Mochi101, perhaps? thecharlatan did some work on it years ago too.
12:28:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Probably just need to wait for connections. It should still ve running, unless you closed it.
12:28:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> sudo systemctl status monerod
12:28:49 <spacekitty420[m]> Rucknium: always read (few years ago) that it was a feature that was going to be deprecated so to avoid using it (some people thought it could be used for delayed payments / forcing to hodl for like a year and such...), is this that same feature that been causing issues?
12:29:07 <Rucknium[m]> <Siren[m]> "Why is MAGIC funding this guy???" <- MAGIC isn't funding mj. MAGIC is hosting the fundraising campaign for others to fund. If others don't fund it, then that's the end of it.
12:29:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> The unlock time?
12:29:36 <spacekitty420[m]> yeah
12:29:36 <Rucknium[m]> spacekitty420: Yes. Let me pull up the GitHub issue...
12:29:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Id prefer to see that gone long before seraphis (if we have a HF before that)
12:30:22 <erembax[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Probably just need to wait for connections. It should still ve running, unless you closed it.
12:30:22 <erembax[m]> > 
12:30:22 <erembax[m]> > sudo systemctl status monerod
12:30:22 <erembax[m]> Don't have a monerod.service anymore. Let me try to create on with what I can find online and if it doesn't work I'll come back for help
12:30:33 <spacekitty420[m]> that's so weird it was still there, like saying it been years that people were saying to NOT use it...
12:31:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ping us in #monero:monero.social when you get back. Probably a better place for that convo
12:32:05 <Rucknium[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/78
12:32:11 <spacekitty420[m]> ty <3
12:36:58 <Siren[m]> <Rucknium[m]> "MAGIC isn't funding mj. MAGIC is..." <- Let's me rephrase it then, if I were MAGIC I wouldn't host the fundraising campaign with him involved.
12:37:02 <Siren[m]> * Let me rephrase it then, if I were MAGIC I wouldn't host the fundraising campaign with him involved.
12:41:07 <selsta> 13:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> He did, but he brought up mj and atomic swaos <-- what's this about?
12:41:51 <selsta> is there a link?
12:42:08 <Rucknium[m]> Siren: Leave feedback in Discord please: https://discord.gg/YH7kFuREKY
12:43:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/z54bdn/my_view_of_monero_decentralized_development/ selsta: 
12:43:48 <Siren[m]> Rucknium[m]: Ugh Discord, I'd rather ping some people here who are committee members as far as I know.
12:44:02 <Siren[m]> I'm not gonna sign up for some malware
12:44:06 <Siren[m]> That is stupid
12:44:24 <spacekitty420[m]> :tinfoil:
12:44:50 <Rucknium[m]> Ok, then email
12:44:56 <Siren[m]> Sure
12:45:51 <Rucknium[m]> info⊙mo
12:46:03 <Siren[m]> Found it already
12:48:11 <Rucknium[m]> I recused myself from the mj decisions. That's why I suggested talking to the committee as a whole
12:49:35 <Siren[m]> Many people in the Monero community already commented on this topic and provided valid concerns
12:50:11 <Siren[m]> It will not be much, probably a TLDR and a compilation of links.
12:50:37 <Rucknium[m]> A likely outcome is: the campaign is not funded. mj doesn't complete the work. OSPEAD has certain blind spots that can diminish user privacy (but it will still be much better than it is today). I did everything I could. I'm just trying to get on with the people's business here.
12:50:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think we need to start at home
12:50:45 <Siren[m]> They shouldn't be this disconnected from the community or CCS
12:51:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ultimately, magic is a separate entity from monero and can do whatever they went. Mj get away with whatever he wants here, at home. We should focus on that before calling the kettle black
12:52:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> As long as mj gets paid and never loses a battle, there is no grounds to say hes a scammer.  The scammers are those paying him in the face of evidence
12:52:31 <Rucknium[m]> I informed the rest of the committee of mj's CCS controversies at the time of the vote in August
12:53:09 <spacekitty420[m]> oh reminds me, curious if that council model thingy will still be a thing with haveno now that ercic left and cake is now involved, like, if the whole idea of it gon be scratch off or what... cause that would have been an additional source of funding for community dev
12:53:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> And since august, mj has 3 times tried to pull something else
12:53:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nothing haveno was ever guaranteed to us
12:53:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> We paid for a gui
12:54:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> The backend of haveno, the council, engine, paying monero, its all subject to whatever erciccione then, or cake now, feels like doing 
12:55:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> I have more confidence in cake delivering. They have more to lose, and more to gain
12:55:26 <spacekitty420[m]> right so at the moment is basically just waiting what their stances are on those things, if they changing the model or not
12:56:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> The model is a fairy tale until it happens 
12:56:49 <monerobull[m]> Rucknium[m]: My bad then 😅
12:57:57 <monerobull[m]> To be fair, I've voted under the assumption mj already had sponsors lined up since that's what they told us
12:59:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj has sponsors bur begs for half of a milestone while endor is sick, demands pay within 2 weeks.. if you have sponsors, why do you need magic.
12:59:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Maybe for a tax deduction? Lol
13:00:36 <spacekitty420[m]> that was the idea being magic and why it was also proposed to sarang work, tax deductible and whatnot
13:00:42 <spacekitty420[m]> s/being/behind/
13:01:18 <spacekitty420[m]> not eryone doing the whole larp tax evasion thingy o.o
13:03:09 <monerobull[m]> Magic has the ability to take donations in & pay out fiat, removing the problem of volatility for people that feel the CCS isn't right for them
13:03:29 <spacekitty420[m]> oh, there's also the option to have the thingy in stable coin or whatever while ccs doesnt do that
13:03:43 <spacekitty420[m]> and mj did mentioned the loss of value of xmr on his solopt thingy
13:03:47 <Siren[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Because he's lying
13:04:03 <monerobull[m]> No, we can do actual fiat transfers
13:06:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj lost money on solopt.... well, he made extra on dev ccs
13:06:11 <monerobull[m]> This whole magic fud is messing with my reputation 😭💢
13:06:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Easy come, easy go
13:06:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nah, youre good in my books
13:07:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dont worry, ill come join you when a seat opens
13:08:07 <monerobull[m]> Next election in January i think
13:11:54 <Rucknium[m]> IIRC, deverick, Csilla, and monerobull are up for re-election. Here's the list of voters if anyone wants to start their campaign early: https://magicgrants.org/funds/monero/monero_fund_voters/
13:11:54 <Siren[m]> <Siren[m]> "Because he's lying" <- Someone has shit ospec https://github.com/EnjoMitch/EnjoLib
13:12:16 <Rucknium[m]> I think the list of voters will expand once we get cloer to the election
13:12:52 <Siren[m]> * Someone has shit opsec https://github.com/EnjoMitch/EnjoLib
13:13:09 <Rucknium[m]> closer*
13:13:36 <monerobull[m]> Siren[m]: What do you mean?
13:13:59 <monerobull[m]> Because mj contributed to that or am I missing something 
13:17:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> He claimed ooo doxxed him, but his info is public
13:18:18 <Siren[m]> Lol you realized too?
13:18:55 <Siren[m]> Oddly same desktop environment and xterm configuration
13:21:00 <nioc> someone asks here "guys can anyone help me its not monero related" and ofrnxmr[m] sends him to #monero
13:21:01 <nioc> smh
13:21:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> It was monero related though? 
13:22:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Trying to get their node to run on boot
13:22:51 <nioc> no b4 that
13:23:03 <nioc> "its not monero related"
13:23:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont remember 
13:23:35 <nioc> 8-9 hrs ago
13:23:46 <nioc> anyway, gm
13:23:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Probably why I dont remember 🥹
13:24:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Gm. Hows my throne?
13:24:21 <nioc> good thx
13:36:57 <plowsof> reading 😀 Siren added A/AAAA for monerodevs just this second, thanks!
13:46:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof:  I think you have to do the www.monerodevs.org too (monerodevs.org works, but not www.)
14:10:39 <plowsof> as ccs coordinator i've recommended mj be paid for his hours of milestone3 and of milestone4 on solopt https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/299
14:11:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> I 1000000% disagree
14:11:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> That means he is done with the project. Thats a breach of the proposal, period. Asinine
14:12:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> You dont get to own the project and then leave before its finished and call it a day
14:12:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> And we already rejected the half payment of m3 over a month ago. Thats a dead subject
14:13:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> If mj was endor, I could understand. Meaning, if mj was the employee who was "still allowed" to work on it 
14:14:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> But mj himself, in the initial proposal, guaranteed he would deliver without endor.
14:14:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Now hes made it clear that this is and MJ project, and endor is only "allowed" to take oart
14:16:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: ^ no comment?
14:16:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im sure everyone remembers
14:17:11 <plowsof> one reason for rejecting m3 was that the project would not be finished, the project is now "completed" in the sense that you can now control a mining rig with external information (provided by sensors) with "initial setup effort". a dev tax was added, and now its removed. endor can finish without help and will provide "optional" features that build upon the existing functionality 
14:19:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> The project isnt completed until endor is finished. Stop making excuses for mj
14:19:39 <selsta> what was his explanation for the dev tax scam attempt? was he "overworked" and added it "by accident"?
14:19:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Word games 
14:19:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Pay me, its completed"
14:19:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> You find the dev tax
14:19:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Just a release candidate. Calm down"
14:20:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> And once again.
14:20:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> this is mj's project and product. 
14:20:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> He is NOT going to do the homeassistsnt stuff, so the project is NOT done
14:20:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> selsta: Ni
14:21:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> He blamed me
14:21:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Said I told him to do it 😆😆😆😆😆
14:21:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Then he also said, in the same sentence that it was an accident.
14:22:34 <plowsof> secretly putting *=2 , with a default donate level set to 2 elsewhere, then another instance of it set to 40 meant that if you used solopt when he said it was completed you'd have 80%  3 "mistakes"  
14:22:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Somehow typed donate level 40 and pushed a commit by accident 
14:22:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> And Plowsof wants to pay this fool
14:23:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🥹
14:23:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> I bet mj wishes pimping was this easy in the real world. Probably why he has to take advantage of random people online
14:24:08 <plowsof> the CCS should not get involved with these things as its a slippery slope, this will be used for the next time mj wants to obtain further funding
14:24:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof:  and selsta:  the dev tax is just more noise though.
14:24:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> The fact surrounding the payment are simple. Mj made promises in his proposal, paying him breaks them. 
14:25:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof: Plowsof r u insane
14:25:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> This was the exact line of reasoning when we paid his final milestone of his scamming dev ccs
14:26:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Taking double dipping a whole new level
14:26:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> And yes, ccs should be involved 
14:27:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Those funds belong to the community until the proposal milestones are completed 
14:27:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj is entitled to not a motherfucking thing aside from the initial conditions of the proposal, which say he guarantees he will finish it himself
14:27:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Should Endor not make it until the deadline, I guarantee, that I will finalize the project by myself until the coming winter."
14:28:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> He even gave it its own paragraph 
14:28:46 <Rucknium[m]> selsta: This was his explanation: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/z233q4/soloptxmr_quadriple_double_80_fee_explanation/
14:29:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Despite all that, Endor STILL isn't banned from my project and can STILL collect his own money for M2 and for his part of M3. But as I said: thanks to me, my planning and over a decade long experience in IT, the project can run without his optional tools and he can now take his time to finalize his parts. Neither me, nor the donators cannot be forced to wait indefinitely, whatever the reason or excuse is."
14:29:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Clown show
14:30:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> M4 = m123 are finished 
14:31:05 <selsta> Rucknium[m]: last time mj replied to me he went on an unhinged conspiracy theory rant so I try to avoid his posts now
14:32:12 <selsta> ofrnxmr[m] did summarize it up now, it's about what I expected
14:32:50 <plowsof> the explanations are for the public to make their own minds up about, i feel the same way, mj can deal with the consequences to his reputation of his behaviour. my opinion is that there is no explanation for that dev tax 
14:33:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> The dev tax is irrelevant. Noise. Stop paying so much attention to the cherry on the ice cream
14:33:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> There's an elephant in your kitchen 
14:34:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> There was no dev tax a month ago, what diff does it make? He was still trying to cash out early, against the proposal.
14:35:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not like
14:35:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Try again next month. Maybe ill change my mind"
14:35:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Next month changes mind
14:36:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ive said before, I'll say again.
14:36:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1. He gets paid as proposed. M3 when m3 is done, and m4 for the final delivery
14:36:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2. He kicks and scream while we CLOSE the proposal as it
14:36:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> As is
14:37:35 <plowsof> the ccs is cancelling people for their personal opinions and political beliefs omgomg 
14:38:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> So scary 
14:38:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Spirobel did did, and would ve more correct in saying so
14:38:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj is a scammer. And is getting CLOSED, not cancelled
14:38:51 <maria_rodriguez[> Start small with a minimum of $50 for BITCOIN MINING, answer YES to be added 👇👇👇
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14:39:00 <alpharabius[m]> What is mj
14:39:18 <alpharabius[m]> maria_rodriguez: delete ur phone
14:39:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> And it has nothing to do with his shiny his tin foil hat is and everthing to do with his repeated attempts to break ccs proposals and breach trust
14:40:29 <alpharabius[m]> 💀💀💀
14:40:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj is 2 year long, ccs paid monero dev who spent more time counting hours than doing work 
14:41:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> And got paid while he went around Reddit making himself look like a great guy, garnering bullshit support 
14:41:51 <alpharabius[m]> The ccs idea is good, but it needs to be reformed imo
14:42:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not about if its a good idea. Its about if the developer is delivering what they promised
14:42:33 <alpharabius[m]> Scammer after Scammer seems to show up
14:42:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> And mj tried to walk away after adding an 80% skimmer
14:42:40 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: *the way it's done
14:43:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats why haveno was smart 
14:43:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> They didnt make any solid promises. Just said a bunch of pretty sounding things
14:44:15 <alpharabius[m]> I hear abt a scammer abusing ccs every couple of days now
14:44:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> You're hearing about the same one 
14:44:53 <alpharabius[m]> I even fear for my idea because someone scammed you guys with the same idea💀💀💀
14:44:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just today, the talk is that they want to pay him 
14:45:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Go for it alpha
14:45:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is scamming is this easy, ill support yourbidea
14:45:35 <alpharabius[m]> *not the SAME idea
14:45:41 <alpharabius[m]> Just the archiving aspect
14:45:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you cant deliver, just call cry on Reddit about how mean people are and Luigi will send your money
14:46:01 <alpharabius[m]> Who's luigi
14:46:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> The person who pays you
14:47:16 <nioc> if you don't know who luigi is, do you even monero?
14:47:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> He's just a puppy 
14:48:47 <alpharabius[m]> nioc: Yes, i monero
14:49:06 <alpharabius[m]> Boutta get all my cash turned into xmr
14:49:06 <plowsof> the community have sponsored a campaign to expose mj's behaviour to a wider audience 
14:49:07 <nioc> yet you ask who is luigi
14:49:13 <plowsof> i am thankful 
14:49:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> 😆😆 hahahaha mj paid for that himself 
14:49:39 <alpharabius[m]> I'm not in the community like that, i only just started being more active
14:50:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nobody exposed him. He wrote his own dev report, made those commits, comments and posts all by himself
14:50:18 <nioc> he has been around since day 1
14:50:33 <nioc> I have attended more community meetings than anyone here, when do I get paid?
14:50:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> When you become a scamming dev
14:50:57 <nioc> ofrnxmr said it's ok to get paid for attending meetings
14:51:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just bill for the hrs and nobody will say anything 
14:51:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Actually, they will say something, but they'll pay you anywau
14:51:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> If definitely is ok to get paid to attend meetings.
14:51:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ive never been to a business meeting IRL where I wasnt paid 
14:51:47 <alpharabius[m]> Bro's making ca$h mone3y
14:52:15 <selsta> the meeting hours wasn't the issue with mj
14:52:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> But its not ok to say "im going to review prs" then you dont, and you bill 15 + hrs for meetings 
14:52:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> And 13+ hrs for counting hours 
14:52:33 <selsta> 3h to review a readme change
14:52:55 <alpharabius[m]> I need 2 go 2 more me3e3tings
14:53:01 <midipoet> The solarminer thingy works as it is supposed to, or not?
14:53:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not
14:53:10 <nioc> yes bigger issue is not doing the work that was billed for
14:53:14 <alpharabius[m]> Or just be more active in general
14:53:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> According to endor you need a particular setup 
14:54:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> nioc:  he was very bold and honest about not doing the work.
14:54:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> He listed 7760 as somethigb he reviewed, and he literally was just shitposting and had no idea what he was talking about 
14:54:35 <nioc> there is an actual town in Alaska named deadhorse 
14:54:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just mj giving us the middle finger like "youre all going to pay me for this, so fuck you anyway"
14:55:12 <nioc> need to make a bulletpoint post :)
14:55:46 <nioc> then easy to C&P  lol
14:57:28 <alpharabius[m]> C&P????
14:57:43 <spacekitty420[m]> copy and paste
14:57:57 <alpharabius[m]> I was thinking about a different one
14:58:21 <alpharabius[m]> chocolate pizza ofc
14:59:25 <nioc> when next community meeting?  
14:59:30 <nioc> on IRC it says 16:00 UTC Saturday 24th
14:59:52 <spacekitty420[m]> its 15 utc right now
14:59:56 <midipoet> If the solarminer thingy sort of works, but couldn't be completed to the initially agreed specs, for reasons x, y, or z, can we not just pay a percentage/proportion of the remaining payouts? Something like 50-75%? 
15:00:02 <spacekitty420[m]> so in 1 hour?
15:00:14 <selsta> I've lost all understanding of timezones with the recent daylight savings change
15:00:26 <spacekitty420[m]> oh wut
15:00:40 <spacekitty420[m]> we saturday 26th, not 24th.. :hyperthonk:
15:00:55 <spacekitty420[m]> selsta: utc doesnt do daylight change
15:01:05 <selsta> right but converted to my local time
15:01:07 <nioc> proper C&P >> 16:00 UTC Saturday 24th September
15:01:32 <spacekitty420[m]> selsta: u add 1 less hour than your were doing during summer
15:02:50 <nioc> oh meeting in 1 hr?  I have to go out :(
15:03:01 <nioc> let's see what I can do
15:08:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> midipoet:  no, because mj is a liar who wont admit that
15:08:21 <spacekitty420[m]> midipoet: tbh, u prob could do a whole netflix series with that solopt saga....
15:09:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> According to mj, solopt is complete as is, with the 80%dev tax and release candidate tag
15:09:55 <spacekitty420[m]> it's been edited out and now is officially the official release on the repo
15:10:09 <selsta> I find it funny that he attacked me because I said he removed the code
15:10:10 <selsta> https://github.com/mj-xmr/SolOptXMR/commit/cf123e5990cd32e9a28c54a1e882ff24231b56d0
15:10:16 <selsta> > 72 deletions
15:11:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> And midipoet:  why would we do that, when mj can sit his ass down, stfu, and wait for endor or complete endor part, as he had guaranteed he would do
15:14:04 <alpharabius[m]> Today is an important day for me
15:21:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> First meeting?
15:21:51 <Siren[m]> There's a community meeting today??
15:22:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> I thought it was next week, I dont know 🥹 let me check 
15:22:24 <Siren[m]> https://monero.observer/tag/calendar/
15:22:29 <Siren[m]> It should be next week
15:22:39 <Siren[m]> Got me worried for a second 
15:22:51 <Siren[m]> I'm out to see the Christmas tree lit up
15:23:07 <Siren[m]> s/lit/light/
15:24:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Shouldn't be til next week
15:25:36 <spacekitty420[m]> nioc: paypal should steal $2.5k from u for spreading misinformation about meeting time
15:26:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nioc wants an extra meeting so he can get paid 
15:27:04 <Siren[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> ""Despite all that, Endor STILL..." <- Guys I think his decade old experience in IT happened in Lidl tech support
15:29:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Neither me, nor the donators"
15:29:49 <nioc> lol I was just making arrangements so that I could attend  
15:30:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Um. Whhat are the donators waiting for 😆😆 , their 80% skim
15:30:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> If the software is "working", the donators are waiting for the proposal  to be completed 
15:36:57 <alpharabius[m]> <Siren[m]> "https://monero.observer/tag/..." <- Did u see i got on da site?
15:37:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> And once again. If mj want to split the ccs into "no home assistant release candidate" vs "with home assistsnt working on an array on devices" then we should not be paying him, but he should be opening a new proposal for _that_ product. 
15:37:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> (Mj only had 3 panels and a couple calcium batteries. Last time I checked. Not something an actual farm or a real setup can configure easily. He makes pretty charts though)
15:40:32 <Siren[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> And once again. If mj want to split the ccs into "no home assistant release candidate" vs "with home assistsnt working on an array on devices" then we should not be paying him, but he should be opening a new proposal for _that_ product.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/026325f571c11c21a44dd56a8533a52c5c6cfc6a>)
15:41:58 <Siren[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> ""Neither me, nor the donators"" <- Which donators tho?
15:42:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> All the ones using and testing the rc
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15:47:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Production ready, lfg
15:47:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats endor replying to mj
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15:57:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Says Fkn who? 
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16:01:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: "Mj said it was optional, so now he can get paid for it and not deliver it"
16:01:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Facepalm 
16:03:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> "One arguement for witholding m3"
16:03:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is quite clear
16:04:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> M3 in definitively incomplete 
16:05:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Which is literally mentioned in the next bullet point. Only now, the first bullet is optional
16:05:58 <spacekitty420[m]> so is this what the unofficial meeting be like? o.o
16:06:56 <spacekitty420[m]> we should make a drinking game when ofrnxmr talking about mj or somethin
16:07:02 <spacekitty420[m]> making it fun u know :3
16:07:29 <chesterfield[m]> Wait I thought we were all already playing the drinking game??
16:07:29 <chesterfield[m]> I’m drunk
16:07:37 <spacekitty420[m]> 😹
16:07:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> As far as im concerned this topic was settled s long tine sgo
16:08:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont went to waste another second of a meeting on not following through 
16:08:47 <chesterfield[m]> Is solxmr on home assistant already
16:08:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> If we say moon has 7 days, why are we waiting 4 weeks 
16:09:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> chesterfield[m]: No
16:09:13 <spacekitty420[m]> not yet, it's endor00 part to do it, currently delayed
16:09:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> If we say "no", how does that flip to a yes a month later with no other changes except for an added and removed dev tax 
16:09:43 <spacekitty420[m]> and mj saying it's just optional and that its whatever...
16:09:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> spacekitty420[m]: Endor or mj part** mj is free to do the work, as he guaranteed he would 
16:09:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Somehow guarantee = optional 
16:10:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> spacekitty420[m]: And Plowsof cosigning that statement. Ridiculous 
16:12:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> When endor, in big bold letters called out his own partner for fucking around and trying to skip dirty hacks
16:12:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ship*
16:12:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Of course, endor didnt call mj out until mj publicly tried to claim endors pay
16:12:55 <spacekitty420[m]> am not familiar with the home assistant at all but the other day when looked it up, it was on github, fully opensource and whatnot but apparently someone mentioned that it still interact with homeassistant centralized servers for example, like, i :tinfoil: u know, so like, sure it's opensource but when it calls home and sending data to servers outside of your own thingy then that's not ideal either
16:12:55 <spacekitty420[m]> everyone having their own setups tho... so if "most people" do use that home assistant, then it shouldnt be optional imo, even if it does call home and whatnot
16:13:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Without it, solopt doesnt work as advertised 
16:13:47 <spacekitty420[m]> right
16:14:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont know if it calls home etc, but fkn monerod calls home lol
16:15:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> But if you have a real solar setup, I highly doubt you manage it manually 
16:15:23 <spacekitty420[m]> but mj had that :tinfoil: statement (to which i can somewhat agree to some extent) regarding that it doesnt fit the :tinfoil: standard (even if being opensource) and was the reason why he sayin it's optional cause not up to those standards
16:15:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> The script stuff works for mj because he has 3 panels and a couple batteries 
16:17:24 <spacekitty420[m]> yeah there was also that part that endor noted it had to be tweaked manually by each users depending on their own setup, which, fuck that, can't expect users to do that type of work while it can already be automated from the software
16:17:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Some history of mj's last visit 
16:18:02 <spacekitty420[m]> may 30th, jfc dude.... LOL
16:18:24 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Ping him
16:20:01 <spacekitty420[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: tbh... i can't be bothered reading yet an other of those wall of texts.... i mean, u saw that reddit thread from few days ago that was just text for the sake of text and could have been literally just 1 smol sentence of tldr....
16:20:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm:matrix.org/$Qtk9ZejLgyad6bXLLL7cgegzf1Uf4NDMovXYUR59kqA?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=libera.chat
16:21:04 <aremor[m]> I’m not sure this issue should be getting this much attention
16:21:21 <spacekitty420[m]> <spacekitty420[m]> "midipoet: tbh, u prob could do a..." <- this.
16:22:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> aremor:  It shouldn't.
16:22:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> But everytime I close my eyes, a scammer takes a bite and yall let em
16:23:00 <aremor[m]> It’s been consuming conversation, Reddit and here, for a week or two. I don’t know if anything productive is coming out of the conversation
16:23:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^^ thats the point 
16:23:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj demanded payment, and has hit every platform to force Luigi and Plowsof to pay him
16:24:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> This was an EASY one. The answer is no
16:24:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Call me when m3 is done
16:24:36 <selsta> aremor[m]: he is literally asking for funding, not saying anything would be unfair to all donators
16:24:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Instead, its a bunch of noise about the specific details of each infraction 
16:25:28 <aremor[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Interestingly I didn’t see any of that until this room went into an uproar to disclose their history. 
16:25:41 <aremor[m]> Without the uproar, is there any chance he was going to get paid?
16:25:41 <aremor[m]> If not, we could have left it alone
16:25:58 <aremor[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: This 
16:25:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes, 100% chance 
16:26:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats why im disappointed af right now
16:26:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> The only reason he hasnt been paid yet, is because im not the only one unhappy 
16:27:24 <aremor[m]> selsta: I agree. I think it’s been publicized a lot by now 
16:28:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont think anyone who has paid any attention is actually on board with sending the payment for ANY reason other than to quiet the noise / comfort 
16:28:49 <spacekitty420[m]> plowsof: good morning
16:29:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Aka the exact same reason as  his exit pay from the dev community 
16:29:07 <spacekitty420[m]> ☕️
16:29:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> We started the meeting without you
16:29:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nioc is chairing 
16:29:43 <spacekitty420[m]> nioc said he couldnt attend
16:29:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Get it.. lazyboy..
16:30:48 <nioc> I changed things around for a meeting that wasn't
16:30:54 <nioc> #clueless
16:30:57 <aremor[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Does the solar mining stuff work minus the dev tax?
16:31:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Supposedly, but according to endor it doesnt work properly (measuring batteries after a reboot etc)
16:31:35 <spacekitty420[m]> according to endor, it works on mj setup at mj's house
16:31:36 <nioc> there is a meeting at #monero-events at 18:00 UTC
16:32:40 <aremor[m]> Ok. Needs review.
16:32:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Selsta started and found the dev tax 
16:33:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> And then mj attacked selsta 
16:33:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> My momma always taught me, if you get bullied, just give em your lunch money
16:34:12 <spacekitty420[m]> my momma always taught me, if you get bullied, just give em a handjob
16:34:22 <spacekitty420[m]> i mean, what?
16:34:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> If they come back, let em take your shoes 
16:34:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Whatever you do. Never punch a bully in the mouth /s
16:36:17 <aremor[m]> meh such a messy situation
16:36:29 <Inge> anyone have the URL to seth's website?
16:36:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sethforprivacy.com probably
16:37:19 <Inge> sounds about right. thanks
16:37:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> aremor:  its only messy because we literally enable it
16:37:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> We pay the guy to keep it going
16:37:52 <aremor[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Knowing all the facts, Ruckinum still wants to work with him?
16:37:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why would you stop, with a 90% success rate
16:39:04 <plowsof> a tradesman will never accept the work of fixing someone elses problem (i understand why 😆) 
16:39:17 <spacekitty420[m]> >A likely outcome is: the campaign is not funded. mj doesn't complete the work. OSPEAD has certain blind spots that can diminish user privacy (but it will still be much better than it is today). I did everything I could. I'm just trying to get on with the people's business here.
16:39:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ruck needs someone to work with. I dont know how he truly feels on the situation, but if I was him id 1) find someone else 2) or id watch mj closely and not allow him to take a single breath in the wrong direction
16:39:34 <plowsof> in a meeting we should discuss this statement here : https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/299#note_19664 
16:40:03 <nioc> Inge: pleas ebe aware that seth has left all monero irc channels and is no longer that active
16:40:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Whats to discuss about it
16:41:08 <plowsof> what benefit will with holding mj's pay have now that endor can finish without his help
16:41:35 <plowsof> it would only have a negative effect on endors ability to complete his end 
16:41:41 <aremor[m]> plowsof: It doesn’t need a benefit. Might just be the right thing to do 
16:42:20 <plowsof> their working relatioinship is over. there is no "help your team mate get over the finish line" as we once thought
16:42:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> There is no working relationship 
16:42:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> There is mj making guarantees 
16:42:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> And trying to walk away from the project without making good on them
16:43:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Endor in irrelevant, as mj said
16:43:09 <spacekitty420[m]> like, at this point wouldnt the best outcome would juts be to get it done with the solopt thingy, close that saga and coming forward just not rush into funding his new proposals? (well, he still have that magic thingy going but still..)
16:43:12 <plowsof> at the moment mj has completed 40% of milestone 3 and milestone 4 
16:43:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> He's just "allowed to contribute to mjs project"
16:43:31 <plowsof> if my maths are correct*
16:43:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Aka, milestone 3 is done when its done 
16:43:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> When milestone 3 is 100%, mj can claim the funds and pay endor his share 
16:43:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its mj's proposal and mj's milestone 
16:44:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> The whole ccs is mj's
16:44:05 <plowsof> with holding mj's pay serves only as a punishment because "he hurt our feelings"
16:44:07 <Inge> nioc: any idea of why?
16:44:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Right out of his mouth 
16:44:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cmon bud
16:44:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont give a fuck about nj
16:44:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> I cross t's and for i's
16:44:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> I didnt even get along with endor 
16:44:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> My feelings dont get hurt. Mj is flattering me with ooo comparisons
16:45:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is BUSINESS
16:45:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj is trying to make it seem like I dont want to pay him for some reason aside from 1+1=/=17
16:46:16 <nioc> Inge: he is working with some btc entity now
16:47:01 <nioc> steady income I guess
16:47:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> The punishment side if things is - if you dont STOP FUCKING AROUND  yeah, we'll walk away.
16:47:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> The business side if things is STOP TRYING TO UNDERMINE YOUR CONTRACT WHEN YOURE LITERSLLY TRYING TO ROB PEOPLE
16:47:28 <nioc> with/for
16:48:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Ok.. ill stop trying to Rob people.. can I undermine my contract now?"
16:48:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> "A month ago, I said no. Now.. I guess we can do it. Sorry for making you wait! We could have paid you a month ago"
16:48:20 <aremor[m]> <plowsof> "at the moment mj has completed 4..." <- I’m guessing finish the review, pay out accordingly, maybe some deductions for the death threat, tardiness, and treachery, and be done with it. 
16:48:20 <aremor[m]> I wouldn’t recommend funding in the future. Anything already in progress is just the cost of doing business (life lessons; shit happens) but also try to make sure no one is reliant on that person again in the future 
16:48:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Aremor
16:48:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> We did that with his last ccs
16:48:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Paid him to rip us off on Hus way out the door
16:49:16 <plowsof> heres your money . you're not welcome back
16:49:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> And we knew we were paying him to rip us off, we just let it go because "last time"
16:49:25 <plowsof> leave endor in peace to complete
16:49:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nono
16:49:34 <plowsof> thanks 
16:49:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Reverse psychology on you broski
16:49:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj is the last one standing 
16:50:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats the fucking proposal 
16:50:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> No where in the proposal did ut say "ill complete my half and walks away"
16:50:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> It said "I will complete endors"
16:51:33 <plowsof> complete endors = im taking his hours = not happening
16:53:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> >_Should Endor not make it until the deadline, I guarantee, that I will finalize the project by myself until the coming winter._
16:53:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> That. Is. The. Proposal.
16:53:21 <aremor[m]> Good luck banning an ephemeral pseudonym though
16:53:46 <plowsof> i support selstas comment on the OSPEAD reddit thread regarding not providing more funding for mj 
16:53:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> It does not matter WHO does the work. The proposal accounted for endor being unable and mj guaranteed he would complete
16:54:47 <plowsof> things happen, people have issues, the dealind has been scrapped. endors hours are protected. and mj has completed his hours 
16:55:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> No mj has not completed his hours 
16:55:18 <plowsof> the project will not benefit from witholding mj's pay for 1..2..3. month or however long it takes 
16:55:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj tried to ship a lemon last week, called it complete
16:55:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof: The project doesnt benefit at all from paying him 
16:55:40 <aremor[m]> But also, might need some new guidelines in the CCS program if this process seems to lack clarity. Maybe payout penalties need to be codified. Treachery = ɱABC fee. Death threat = ɱ XYZ fee. Banned from community (bast case effort) = DEF offense.
16:56:08 <plowsof> im of the opinion the ccs should not take into account those things as its a slippery slope 
16:56:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rotten is the only person who has to follow rules, cMon now
16:56:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof: I agree
16:56:28 <plowsof> those rules are nice until they are applied to someone you like
16:56:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> So why are we changing proposals because scammers wanna scam 
16:57:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> What is this, politics? 
16:57:13 <spacekitty420[m]> reading ofrnxmr having a skzyophrenic episode debating with those alt accounts is 💯 <3
16:57:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> You run on one platform, get in office, and do the opposite 
16:57:40 <aremor[m]> s/bast/best/
16:58:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fighting w my alter ego
16:58:47 <spacekitty420[m]> it's like that goku vs gohan episode in dragon ball super since is the same voice actress :P
16:59:08 <aremor[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Then you’re saying you want to pay him then…. 
16:59:08 <aremor[m]> Or either you’re saying don’t codify anything but fine him 100% of the remaining payout anyway?
16:59:11 <spacekitty420[m]> or the rick and morty episode with morty being split into all the npc character of roy o.o
16:59:36 <aremor[m]> plowsof: But rules are rules though 
17:00:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> IDC about all that
17:00:46 <plowsof> i dont like mj but i must defend him for the greater good 
17:00:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1+1=2, are you delivering???
17:00:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont want some 2 week long chat where try to sell me a bridge 
17:00:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj can do whatever tf he wants and rip off magic or eth or his wife, idc
17:01:06 <spacekitty420[m]> plowsof: nah fuck that, lets pitchfork 🔥
17:01:51 <spacekitty420[m]> pitchfork or rito o.o
17:01:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Greater good? What would that be
17:01:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Scammerlivesmatter
17:02:06 <spacekitty420[m]> OSPEAD = greater good maybe, idk
17:02:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> The defense from mj, should come from mj
17:02:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj has no defense. Just conspiracies
17:02:37 <aremor[m]> <nioc> "Inge: he is working with some..." <- What entity?
17:02:55 <plowsof> find seths reddit account and look
17:03:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Plowsof is talking about funding solopt but not ospread!!!!
17:03:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fucking batshit
17:03:23 <nioc> I don't remember off hand
17:03:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dont fund solopt scamming, and maybe mj will ve more careful with ruck
17:03:27 <spacekitty420[m]> plowsof: the bitcoin wally thingy?
17:03:36 <Siren[m]> spacekitty420[m]: Probably, I just don't want mj to fuck it up
17:03:48 <nioc> it was some foundation 
17:04:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fund him now and youre literally telling him "scamming is easy. Cant wait to fuck over ruck"
17:04:23 <Siren[m]> Piss off other core members/researchers/auditors he could potentially work with and then release a bullshit explanation instead of a valid report where he talks about how Ukraine is fake or some shit
17:04:36 <plowsof> if you want to list mj as a contributor to your ccs proposal i wish you the best of luck
17:04:55 <aremor[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: If you don’t want to pay him, it should be clarified in documents rules going forward so it doesn’t take a two week long debate if this happens again in the future, to know what to do 
17:05:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats what plowsof is here for
17:05:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nobody was managing anything before 
17:05:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just Luigi paying scammers left right and center 
17:05:35 <plowsof> The CCS is intentionally left as informal as possible. This allows for flexibility of the system, and keeps things from being red taped into oblivion.
17:05:38 <spacekitty420[m]> Siren: but ukraine kinda is fake tho.... their "president" literally been put in place by the americans and been doing their bidding ever since, the whole purpose of ukraine is to launder money for americans
17:05:54 <spacekitty420[m]> :tinfoil:
17:06:02 <nioc> what plowsof said
17:06:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> It doesnt need to be a rule
17:06:20 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Do i need to rizz up luigi to make him help me??
17:06:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its like saying you need a rule that you wont kill your kids
17:07:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> You dont need a rule that once your proposal is merged, you cant just fuck around and try to deliver a different product or change milestones without exceptions and consensus on those exceptions 
17:07:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj is out here TELLING you tl give him an exception 
17:08:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Like sorry Bud, the way it works is the way you proposed it
17:08:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Now stop TELLIBG me what to do, and if you want to make a change, show up at the fucking meeting pussy 
17:09:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ive said the same thing 300x. 
17:09:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> If wanna pay him, go ahead
17:09:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> But thats some pathetic shit
17:10:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Supposed to be unbiased and fair, but only scammers get away with scamming 
17:10:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rules dont change the environment 
17:10:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Leaders do
17:10:47 <plowsof> he was exposed, it was fixed, endor can complete without him , enjoy the reputation 
17:11:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fuck reputation 
17:11:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj built up a good on by lying. Who cares about your rep
17:12:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Do whats correct, what makes people feel good and makes scammer shutup for another couple weeks
17:12:10 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Cryptocurrency beef is actually getting insane ngl
17:12:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> * whats correct, not what makes
17:14:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> And what is correct in my view? If I was in his shoes? 
17:14:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1. Id never had tried to do a silent merge request 
17:14:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Id come to a meeting and say "yo. This shit works pretty good but I cant spend any more time on it. M4 is complete, and my part of m3 us complete. Can I cash out m4 and when endor finishes m3 we'll release?"
17:14:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bur nah. Mj is a pos, so he says everything except for honesty
17:15:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Plowsof, youre not doing your job"
17:15:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Plowwwsoooffffffff is this what tour spend your time doing when the community pays you"
17:15:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fuck your rep
17:15:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> alpharabius[m]: Plowsof is my brother. No beef 
17:16:01 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I mean you and mj
17:16:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj is a waste of my time 
17:16:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> No beef,  id like to move on
17:16:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> I have nothing to say to people which try to sell me bullshit 
17:16:46 <plowsof> i want to support endor now and move things forward 
17:17:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> The simple way? /ignore mj
17:17:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Follow the proposal 
17:17:34 <plowsof> if endor was AWOL then yep, mj would need to finish the homeassistant stuff 
17:17:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj claims endor is just a lackie
17:18:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> So, as im saying, foot in mouth
17:18:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> He put himself in a position where it makes 0 sense to let the project manage, owner, and person who wants all the credit and funds, to walk away and let endor finish it
17:18:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> The proper way to handle that situation is to close the ccs
17:18:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> And have endor open a new one to add hone assistant to soloptxmr
17:19:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Otherwise, thus is mj's abandoned ccs, that were going to pay him to abandon?
17:19:38 <plowsof> another 2 weeks of reddit/gitlab posts^ :D
17:19:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Usually when you abandon something, you walk away without being 100% paif
17:20:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> If im strictly business, I wouldnt bend to his antics 
17:20:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> If I wanted to be personal, id tell him straight up that I can and will move to close the ccs unpaid 
17:20:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stop wasting my time
17:21:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> We have audits to do, bugs to fix
17:21:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Angry wives 
17:23:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> And IDC if its 2$ or $200k. Or if its fluffypony, mj, erciccione, jberman, selsta. If its Cake wallet or stack wallet, monerujo or shruum, I dont support bad business
17:28:00 <spacekitty420[m]> so where yall at regarding the firing then hiring C++ devs? o.o
17:28:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im tryna get in BF pockets 
17:28:30 <spacekitty420[m]> did fuffy pawned the watch yet for new hirings?
17:28:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Id rather devs > monero.com, but hey
17:28:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats a rant for another day
17:28:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> spacekitty420[m]: For a domain name, maybe
17:29:02 <plowsof> so have we decided why monero uses 24 or 25 words for ledger yet 
17:29:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nobody knows plowsof: 
17:29:20 <nioc> cause ledger decided to do so?
17:29:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> I wonder where he is. I miss him
17:29:29 <plowsof> lol
17:29:49 <spacekitty420[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: domain name was cake... and vik also paid from own pocket the thingy for haveno that was on hold due to previous fuckup from ccs for the frontend thingy
17:29:54 <nioc> i m slo
17:29:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> nioc:  Sir. Is this true? Do not kidding me. Sir?
17:30:21 <nioc> c a buv
17:30:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> spacekitty420[m]: BF wants to buy it from cake 
17:31:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> nioc:  please. Sir. Are you truth? Why 25 words instead of 12?
17:31:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sir??
17:31:11 <spacekitty420[m]> is BF a play on word GF (general fund / girlfren) > BF (boyfren)?
17:31:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Binaryfate = generalfund
17:31:27 <spacekitty420[m]> oh!
17:31:33 <spacekitty420[m]> duh
17:31:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Same sheit
17:31:34 <spacekitty420[m]> 😹
17:31:34 <spacekitty420[m]> i retarded
17:31:53 <spacekitty420[m]> since when tho?
17:32:34 <spacekitty420[m]> like.... it's in good hands rn.... thought everyone moved on from wanting to buy it from cake again
17:32:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> An "anon" donation showed up for 2500xmr 
17:32:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> With intentions on buying monero.com
17:32:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> We will find out during one of those transparanfe reports 
17:32:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> In public, sure 
17:33:25 <nioc> need to pump price
17:34:14 <spacekitty420[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: yeah i remember that, even posted on reddit comment over there: https://teddit.net/r/Monero/comments/x4i3ig/anon_donates_2500_xmr_to_monero_general_fund/imwgc3f/?context=10
17:34:54 <spacekitty420[m]> but thought that consensus was just that it would be waste of money to do so...
17:35:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yep. But gf gonna spend wherever they choose and I hear nothing about hiring devs
17:35:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Consensus doesnt matter 
17:35:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> GF gonna do whatever gf wants 
17:35:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats why I said rant for anoter day.
17:36:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Gotta wait and see what they do. They know what we want, but they gonna do what they want.  Whether those views align, we shall see
17:36:43 <spacekitty420[m]> centralized af o.o
17:36:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Extremely
17:36:59 <spacekitty420[m]> is literally a dictatorship
17:37:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> CCS we have oversight 
17:37:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> GF is all about trust 
17:37:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> BF has been good, I think, but its still all about trusting his judgement.
17:37:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> As selsta said, the gf hardly ever is spent from
17:39:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> And is usually for important infrastructure. Its probably not easy to deal with the community for such things
17:41:17 <plowsof> do we request an updated general fund transparency report 
17:41:17 <aremor[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Gotta wait and see what they do...." <- Who is “they”? Only BF?
17:42:03 <alpharabius[m]> aremor[m]: BF?
17:42:09 <plowsof> #monero-site:haveno.network as per Ercicione: "is accessible from any server, if that's not the case there might be a issue somewhere"
17:42:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> In the room settings it doesnt appear to be published to social and matrix.org
17:42:54 <aremor[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Binaryfate = generalfund" <- ☝🏻
17:43:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> aremor[m]: Bf is control, but I think the team decides... maybe.
17:43:26 <plowsof> yep Core 
17:43:37 <nioc> it's not like bF is making those decisions himself 
17:44:01 <nioc> they work on infrastructure 
17:44:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Right
17:44:22 <nioc> we work on building morenero
17:44:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Infrastructure cost less than building monero 
17:45:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> GF gets spent on ccs occasionally, but we need more devs
17:45:15 <aremor[m]> How large is the GF?
17:45:19 <aremor[m]> (Trying to compare to the price of the domain)
17:45:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Occasionally >> always 
17:45:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof:  do you have those numbers
17:45:53 <nioc> yes they donate to many of the CCS devs, ~30% of the request
17:45:55 <aremor[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: GF can open bounties 
17:46:13 <aremor[m]> Some educational programs should be funded
17:46:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah, but... why are they talking about spending 2500 xmr on a domain
17:46:39 <plowsof> the transparency report is overdue, we can request / poke for it 
17:46:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Instead of putting up 10 x 250xmr bounties 
17:46:48 <plowsof> if we care 
17:47:16 <nioc> because that was what the donation was for, yet it hasn't happened yet
17:47:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats bot his donations work 🥹
17:47:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Now how*
17:48:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Unless its a political donation and youre getting favors 🥹
17:48:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Usually, a donation means you donate and the fund uses the money as needed
17:49:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> You dont get $100 donation and are told "you use that $100 to buy fake nails"
17:49:31 <aremor[m]> nioc: The donor maybe should have used a variant of the ccs process so that the spending was not up for debate 
17:49:37 <spacekitty420[m]> not sure an updated transparency report would be that useful at the moment as opposed to just an actual discussion around that 2500 donation
17:49:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^
17:50:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> aremor[m]: Or should have bought the domain and transferred it. 
17:50:21 <aremor[m]> spacekitty420[m]: Transparency is always useful 
17:50:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Problem is, they only promise one, quarterly? 
17:50:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> So we gotta wait again once we get one 😅
17:51:09 <nioc> except buying it is not doing so anonymously 
17:51:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Then back to option a, ccs 
17:52:20 <aremor[m]> There’s no guarantee Vik would have sold to anyone else. I doubt he would have.
17:52:25 <nioc> like buying teslas  lol
17:52:40 <aremor[m]> Only to the monero community
17:52:54 <nioc> they had the $$ lined up b4 opening that CCS
17:53:53 <spacekitty420[m]> for the teslas? when it was brought up again few days ago, i then remembered how weird it all went like fully funded even before anyone had a say in it 😹
17:54:01 <spacekitty420[m]> aftermath was hillarious 🍿
17:54:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Merged in like 3 minutes 
17:54:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Now same shit, but cheap and slow
17:55:08 <nioc> spacekitty420[m]: yes, a "marketing" stunt
17:55:23 <nioc> aka pump eet
17:55:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> More like a fuckin scam 
17:55:39 <spacekitty420[m]> eh, gotta have that adoption somehow :3
17:55:58 <nioc> it happens organically 
17:56:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> His is dumping 1000 xmr for tesla gonna pump anything but tsla and doge
17:56:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> "I sold my xmr so Elon could buy doge"
17:56:41 <spacekitty420[m]> el salvador doing bitcoin chicken tender was more of a bold move rather than just "organic"
17:56:42 <nioc> 1st monerokon 100 people, and one 200 people, next one 400 attendees 
17:56:57 <spacekitty420[m]> organic chicken tenders.... 🤤
17:57:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Even the idea that 900 xmr would convince Elon to accept xmr is hilarious 
17:57:18 <nioc> wasn't even gonna mention it
17:57:52 <nioc> s/and/2nd
17:58:01 <nioc> second one 200 people
17:58:23 <nioc> off to my next meeting
17:59:26 <aremor[m]> <spacekitty420[m]> "for the teslas? when it was..." <- Huh? What’s this story? lol
17:59:56 <rbrunner> https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/monero-payment-option-tesla.html
18:00:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> 892 xmr proposal was instance merged, and funded 
18:00:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Insta*
18:00:33 <alpharabius[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/361
18:00:39 <nioc> I remember much discussion
18:01:17 <alpharabius[m]> Oh, i thought we were just posting ccs stuff
18:03:02 <aremor[m]> I gotta read this
18:03:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Unclaimed, leading to the general fund receiving them in the case of a failed proposal."
18:03:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yet the refunded 
18:03:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> They*
18:04:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> A bunch of fuckery goes on around here 
18:04:26 <plowsof> you're not allowed to hear about the tesla situation 
18:04:33 <plowsof> pls dont look 
18:04:52 <spacekitty420[m]> it's all actual conspiracies o.o
18:05:41 <alpharabius[m]> 50 bands into thin air💀💀💀
18:06:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> More than that. Monero was more expensive at the time
18:06:37 <alpharabius[m]> Actually sad
18:06:44 <spacekitty420[m]> so expensive could have been the first tesla on the moon
18:06:49 <spacekitty420[m]> sponsored by spacex
18:07:08 <rbrunner> What, that episode made for excellent entertainment
18:07:33 <alpharabius[m]> Who are the guys in the ccs council
18:07:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Council?
18:08:18 <aremor[m]> <rbrunner> "https://ccs.getmonero.org/..." <- 😂 so is this in progress?
18:08:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> It got refunded ^ 
18:08:37 <aremor[m]> Almost 2 years old. I never heard of this
18:08:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Supoosedly
18:08:42 <rbrunner> The Tesla thing? No, long past.
18:08:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ya never know where the money actually went though. This is, monero
18:09:29 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Isn't there like a council or group of guys who approve proposals?
18:09:29 <rbrunner> Of course.
18:09:54 <rbrunner> The very people writing here right now?
18:10:02 <nioc> not enough drama, need to bring up old drama  :D
18:10:07 <rbrunner> To quite some degree
18:10:49 <rbrunner> But for that proposal the usual mechanisms were defeated, it just plopped into existence fully funded already.
18:11:14 <alpharabius[m]> rbrunner: I want 2 get my proposal approved
18:11:37 <spacekitty420[m]> <monerobull[m]> "Btw can I say it's kinda cute..." <- ^ that's how 5 people deciding on the fate of those ccs proposals
18:12:26 <rbrunner> If it gets some positive comments, it will probably become one of the proposals to discuss in one of the next meetings
18:12:52 <monerobull[m]> Wait is there a meeting here right now
18:12:56 <plowsof> no
18:13:05 <rbrunner> Don't think so?
18:13:11 <spacekitty420[m]> monerobull: nah, sowry for ping, just quoted you for context
18:13:22 <alpharabius[m]> monerobull[m]: I wish
18:13:35 <aremor[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Yet the refunded..." <- Very interesting. Guessing the amount of money was the reason given 
18:13:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> No haha, just me talking too much 
18:13:42 <monerobull[m]> Ok because plowsof is getting axed if we have multiple meetings at the same time /s
18:13:52 <plowsof> 3rd december would be it (i usually give it a week before arranging one to avoid spamming meetings to meet ccs criteria)
18:13:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Next week
18:15:44 <aremor[m]> rbrunner: Hmm who merged?
18:16:08 <rbrunner> I think that was a Monero Core Team venture, I guess no problem to get it merged.
18:16:25 <rbrunner> Or at least there was backing from the Core Team.
18:16:39 <rbrunner> Being in the Monero Core Team has benefits :)
18:16:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Luigi
18:16:52 <rbrunner> Probably
18:16:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> He was told in advance 
18:17:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Centralized bullshit 
18:17:45 <rbrunner> I take centralized bullshit once or twice a year over centralized bullshit all the time. Can't have it all.
18:17:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not mad at him as a person, he has too much responsibility to be mad
18:18:16 <nioc> vik seemed to be a big part of it
18:18:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> For me* to be mad
18:18:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ie, hes also has to focus on more important stuffz like merges to the codebase 
18:18:59 <aremor[m]> What’s the meeting happening now (somewhere else)?
18:19:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Vik gonna be core soon
18:19:07 <monerobull[m]> Monerokon in events
18:19:17 <spacekitty420[m]> aremor[m]: event meeting
18:19:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero-events:monero.social 
18:20:05 <aremor[m]> Thanks!
18:35:56 <mrnaif> Hi! My open-source payment processor BitcartCC has now implemented monero support for our developer SDK and merchants solutions. You host it on your own server and can connect it to any daemon RPC or your own node.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/d10f418c2d0303cbfce539257d43a75ea3fae8b6>)
18:40:50 <rbrunner> So programmed "around" monero-wallet-rpc somehow? How did you do this, told on a very high level of abstraction?
18:42:16 <mrnaif> If by programmed around you mean avoid, then yes (: Basically monero daemon provides a list of transactions each block. So I iterate over each transaction in each block and check if it belongs to any of the wallets loaded (possible via secret viewkey). Kind of a blockchain scanner
18:42:54 <mrnaif> Decrypting payment id code was re-created by me by looking at monero-wallet-rpc and wallet2 sources in python, that was a tedious part which wallet-rpc handled
18:43:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Any idea if it works on arm?
18:43:28 <rbrunner> Interesting.
18:43:57 <mrnaif> ofrnxmr[m]: arm64 yes, we have ready docker images. arm32 - we dropped it's support but it's still supported if you run it manually
18:44:15 <rbrunner> Seems that if competent people don't shy away from doing serious work, good results can be achieved.
18:44:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> 64 us fine.......... ill see if I can get it up and running on android
20:00:43 <ajs_[m]> retweet appreciated https://twitter.com/MoneroKon/status/1596594055101775873?s=20&t=cXDQf3f_UqbMU2W5adixkw
20:46:06 <Siren[m]> MoneroPay also has no unlock time bug :))
20:46:55 <Siren[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Any idea if it works on arm?" <- MoneroPay does, there's even an arm docker image
20:47:06 <Siren[m]> It compiles for riscv too
20:47:16 <mrnaif> But it works for only 1 wallet though (:
20:47:47 <Siren[m]> Yeah? Wallet rpc can only support one at a time
20:48:02 <Siren[m]> You are supposed to use subaddresses 
20:48:06 <mrnaif> That's why we don't use it and support any number of wallets, that was my main goal
20:48:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dont fight guys, I hate you both equally ❤️
20:48:46 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Hang on
20:48:54 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Courts now in session
20:49:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> How does bitcart do it? Multiple RPc wallets?
20:50:08 <Siren[m]> mrnaif: Well we need to support spending etc, we can't just simply scan
20:50:28 <mrnaif> ofrnxmr[m]: using daemon-rpc
20:50:28 <Siren[m]> Also you can just spin multiple instances of it lol
20:50:44 <Stnby[m]> Yeah but you should just use subaddresses
20:50:49 <Stnby[m]> See no point
20:51:22 <mrnaif> well main purpose is payment processing after all, spending can be done from a wallet. But I have some ideas to allow spending too in current approach
20:51:46 <Stnby[m]> So you are writing a new wallet rpc?
20:51:51 <Stnby[m]> If yes thank God
20:51:57 <Stnby[m]> As current one is a disaster
20:52:10 <mrnaif> Stnby[m]: Well we implement a set of commands all daemons follow
20:52:39 <mrnaif> https://bitcartcc.notion.site/77ed8778a7554b45a7ee1be29b46d4fb?v=06b35bb0d0c14786b328ce2413484732
20:52:39 <mrnaif> Full list here
20:52:51 <mrnaif> basically all coins we support all work with same set of commands
20:52:55 <mrnaif> no matter btc, eth or xmr
20:54:15 <mrnaif> Stnby[m]: initially I thought to use C++->python bindings (I will need to create those) on demand when payout is triggered. Some users tell we just need to account for received payments only hence we don't need to scan full state, but I don't know which way to pick yet
21:13:02 <Siren[m]> <mrnaif> "well main purpose is payment..." <- Initially we were writing MoneroPay for a casino so we wanted support transfers. And to save on fees by supporting batch transfers (you need to use the same wallet to have this) on user payouts. But it's useful for refunds etc so you don't have to manually initiate that.
21:13:30 <Siren[m]> * Initially we were writing MoneroPay for a casino so we wanted support transfers. And to save on fees by supporting batch transfers (you need to use the same wallet to have this) on user payouts. But it's useful for refunds etc too so you don't have to manually initiate that.
21:14:13 <mrnaif> I know, yeah. I just wanted to get this released because it required quite a big effort already, and continue improving it in next releases. We'll discuss further details with the community
21:14:29 <mrnaif> Because we also have a payouts UI which should ideally support monero too, but not yet
21:14:35 <Siren[m]> I wonder how having a python program deal with scanning for multiple wallets though
21:14:45 <Siren[m]> If you had many wallets for some reason
21:15:02 <Siren[m]> * I wonder how a python program would deal with scanning for multiple wallets though
21:15:29 <Stnby[m]> <mrnaif> "initially I thought to use C..." <- Its going to be written in Python?
21:15:32 <mrnaif> Siren[m]: What do you mean? They are loaded in memory, so each tx is checked against different private viewkeys
21:16:02 <mrnaif> What exactly? Bitcart is written in python
21:16:03 <mrnaif> https://github.com/bitcartcc/bitcart/blob/master/daemons/xmr.py
21:16:18 <Stnby[m]> Oof
21:16:41 <Siren[m]> mrnaif: I mean like the resource usage when you scan for let's say hundreds of wallets
21:18:41 <mrnaif> It should be fine, because each wallet is not like 50 MB or so, it loads minimal needed data
21:19:03 <Stnby[m]> The only issue with me is Python
21:19:11 <plowsof> I remember python managing 400 wallets in 2 mins (with a block of 35 txs) pls confirm / dont trust my memory
21:19:24 <Stnby[m]> Would never use it just for that reason, otherwise seems fine
21:19:38 <plowsof> Checking for outputs belonging to an address *
21:19:38 <Siren[m]> I mean it's impressive https://github.com/bitcartcc/bitcart
21:20:06 <Siren[m]> Stnby[m]: Still better than that C# mess that is btcpay server 
21:20:22 <mrnaif> Well, we could have used a different language, but after all the project is 3+ years and rewriting it all in e.g. go is a gigantic effort, and not always worth it
21:20:24 <mrnaif> Siren[m]: At least what we did right is that coins code is separate from payments processing
21:20:27 <Stnby[m]> C# a lot faster than Python xD
21:20:32 <mrnaif> each coin is a separate daemon
21:20:33 <Siren[m]> Stnby[m]: It is
21:20:49 <Siren[m]> But how do I deploy a C# application 
21:20:59 <mrnaif> Trust me, in most cases it's network I/O and not language overhead
21:21:04 <Stnby[m]> Python is memory and cpu diarrhea of a language 
21:21:05 <Siren[m]> How am I supposed to compile magic Micro$oft C in a jail
21:21:06 <mrnaif> plus heavy parts are already written in C
21:21:17 <mrnaif> with proper concurrent usage, it is fine
21:21:34 <Stnby[m]> mrnaif: It is language as well
21:21:42 <mrnaif> mrnaif: https://docs.bitcartcc.com/development/architecture
21:22:13 <mrnaif> Stnby[m]: not that much, at least I never met python bottlenecks anywhere even during high load
21:22:22 <Siren[m]> I did 
21:22:27 <plowsof> The block explorerorer bas to be local. E.g. xmrchain wont let you make 400 requests in 2 
21:22:43 <Stnby[m]> mrnaif: Every python user says this, I call that ignorance
21:22:43 <mrnaif> Well, I am open to tests
21:22:48 <mrnaif> That would help a lot
21:23:05 <Stnby[m]> Should have used a proper language
21:23:11 <Siren[m]> plowsof: I really don't see a point in using xmrchain against wallet rpc, they both use wallet2.cpp
21:23:19 <mrnaif> Stnby[m]: Well, re-write 10k lines of code for different currencies where only python and js has libs for it (:
21:23:26 <mrnaif> Siren[m]: we don't use xmrchain, yeah
21:23:40 <plowsof> Excuse my fingers on mobile
21:23:42 <mrnaif> I mean, it fetches blocks from RPC once, then just processes locally
21:25:09 <Siren[m]> mrnaif: https://gitlab.com/moneropay/go-monero
21:25:09 <Siren[m]> https://github.com/cirocosta/go-monero
21:25:12 <Siren[m]> Btw 
21:25:40 <mrnaif> I mean for all currencies we support
21:25:44 <mrnaif> And all the features we have
21:25:52 <mrnaif> it is not feasible right now
21:26:15 <plowsof> 400 addresses in 2 mins is good enough (if my test that i remember actually happened) i brainstormed with xmrstarter ?Zombie master) that uses same technique with monero python
21:26:36 <mrnaif> If you're interested, we can perform the tests, I just need the data for it
21:26:49 <plowsof> Generic xmr scanner on GH can handle thousands of. (c++)
21:27:18 <mrnaif> Each implementation is different, so we can test it too. I would love to do the tests
21:27:35 <mrnaif> I mean, if you told it to btcpay they wouldn't care because they don't care about anything other than btc anyway
21:27:39 <mrnaif> At least I am open to all communities
21:28:01 <plowsof> We love you xx
21:28:11 <mrnaif> Me too :D
21:28:38 <Stnby[m]> We would love to have an alternative to walletrpc :D
21:29:01 <Stnby[m]> I hate BTC and ETH hence we focus on XMR in MoneroPay
21:29:48 <mrnaif> I mean if you wonder how bitcart started, it was a similar thing: it was electrum wallet which CLI was too complex to use... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/c9a68d1d992dac28c6c0c2d269f1b041723b299f>)
21:30:13 <Siren[m]> > <@plowsof:matrix.org> 400 addresses in 2 mins is good enough (if my test that i remember actually happened) i brainstormed with xmrstarter ?Zombie master) that uses same technique with monero python
21:30:13 <Siren[m]> > 
21:30:13 <Siren[m]> I think our main instance of MoneroPay handles few thousand addresses currently. It's also blazing fast.
21:30:25 <Siren[m]> > <@mrnaif:matrix.org> I mean if you wonder how bitcart started, it was a similar thing: it was electrum wallet which CLI was too complex to use... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/18d4f42150312d11788038c51176f66b4a3d7033>)
21:30:27 <Stnby[m]> Would like to see walletrpc in Go or Rust :D
21:30:39 <Stnby[m]> With better error handling as well
21:30:47 <Stnby[m]> As its literally crashware at this point
21:30:49 <mrnaif> Siren[m]: I see no point in arguing on this topic, but if you have some test data for me to test I would love to
21:31:14 <Stnby[m]> Run it on an SBC or a cheap VPS you will see
21:31:26 <Stnby[m]> Also docker images for python are giant
21:31:31 <mrnaif> bitcart min requirements are 1 GB ram
21:31:36 <mrnaif> Stnby[m]: by giant you mean how much?
21:31:48 <mrnaif> You need to know how to cook them (:
21:31:51 <Stnby[m]> mrnaif: 100+ MB
21:31:58 <Stnby[m]> mrnaif: I know
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21:32:12 <Siren[m]> mrnaif: Can you even write tests in Python?
21:32:33 <mrnaif> Yes, not sure what's the question though
21:32:46 <Stnby[m]> mrnaif: Thats interesting
21:32:50 <Stnby[m]> Is it alpine?
21:32:55 <mrnaif> yes
21:33:08 <Stnby[m]> Also what py libs does it need to.pull?
21:33:25 <mrnaif> monero and aiohttp
21:33:29 <Stnby[m]> Have you tried PyPy as well?
21:33:32 <mrnaif> and universalasync
21:33:33 <mrnaif> only 3 deps
21:33:43 <mrnaif> Stnby[m]: no, the speed is good for now
21:33:56 <Stnby[m]> Try it should be a lot faster
21:34:07 <Stnby[m]> Good on your computer :D
21:34:12 <Siren[m]> mrnaif: I don't have some test data for you because our implementation is different.
21:34:27 <mrnaif> I mean, just addresses + viewkeys or whatever to test on
21:34:55 <Siren[m]> Make a script to create a bunch of wallets yourself idk?
21:35:09 <mrnaif> What the test conditions would be?
21:35:14 <mrnaif> Describe them, I will generate it
21:35:16 <mrnaif> (:
21:35:36 <Siren[m]> For us it's a bunch of post reqs go create payment requests
21:35:43 <mrnaif> same here
21:35:44 <Siren[m]> s/go/to/
21:35:59 <Siren[m]> Good for you then
21:36:21 <Siren[m]> Having to create them using wallet cli or something is pain
21:36:26 <plowsof> A block with average number? Of txs of 1 in 2 out i think? How many times can you check in 2~ mins?
21:36:59 <Stnby[m]> mrnaif: Will test it out
21:37:19 <Stnby[m]> Its just that I hate Python but maybe you know what youre doing
21:37:23 <mrnaif> Sorry guys, gotta go now, will check later and run it definitely. Will check later which conditions to execute on (:
21:37:31 <Stnby[m]> You probably know why we hate python
21:37:36 <mrnaif> Stnby[m]: I believe I do, I hope to
21:37:43 <Siren[m]> Stnby[m]: If it profoundly shits itself it won't recover
21:37:47 <mrnaif> Like in other network each block has 600+tx and block every 3 seconds, we process it pretty fast
21:37:52 <Siren[m]> Error handling is horrible in python
21:38:02 <Stnby[m]> Fuck pip
21:38:03 <Siren[m]> It won't do a clean exit
21:38:51 <Stnby[m]> I was playing with IRRd also written in Py and it was just a fucking painful week
21:39:20 <Siren[m]> Extremely resource intensive 
21:42:42 <plowsof> 400 every 2 mins without viewtags* python gets a bit of help now 
21:48:56 <spackle_xmr[m]> I like Python. It is perfect for small projects/demos, but then again, I've never written Python code professionally.
22:43:26 <Siren[m]> Yeah IRRd isn't exactly that
22:44:32 <Siren[m]> It's a cancerous Internet Routing Registry server
22:45:12 <Siren[m]> I'm sure if it wasn't Python it would use 50-60% less resources