00:24:46 <alpharabius[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/z4elhv/take_a_look_at_my_ccs_proposal_and_tell_me_what/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
00:25:34 <alpharabius[m]> Blow this post up yo
00:26:34 <selsta> git is distributed by design, making centralized copies on a server doesn't make much sense
00:30:18 <alpharabius[m]> Read my response to first comment
00:34:21 <endogenic> why dont you guys just use monero-lws..?
00:34:25 <endogenic> mrnaif
00:34:58 <endogenic> out of curiosity
00:44:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont think its ready? Is it?
00:44:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Personally, I want lws to be in core once ready
00:45:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Subaddress supoort and all that. cryptogrampy:  are you still playing with it?
00:45:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> <alpharabius[m]> "Read my response to first..." <- Post it here, I dont see your response 
00:46:24 <endogenic> gotcha. i can add subaddr support. i already designed the api
00:46:28 <endogenic> and have a client for it
00:47:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Would be much appreciated.
00:47:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Then hopefully it makes sense for wallets to implement it
00:55:03 <alpharabius[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Post it here, I dont see your..." <- That is not the only goal, our other goal is to build a Library with only bare censorship. And if the domain and/or server were to be seized this would be a place they'd know to go to
00:55:20 <alpharabius[m]> + it's going to mainly be based on git
00:57:06 <plowsof> i used to be pro sub-address, but payment id's have won me over for merchants accepting payments , does monero-lws handle payment ids?
00:57:38 <endogenic> yes encrypred pids are largely dope. yes monero lws supports pids
00:57:50 <plowsof> <3
01:10:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> <plowsof> "i used to be pro sub-address..." <- For merchants, but lws needs subaddresses for usersssss
01:17:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Phew
01:18:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its been like 24 hrs, maybe 25
01:41:46 <chesterfield[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "I dont think its ready? Is it?" <- I think for the bitcart use case it would actually work well as they’re just using payment id 
01:48:33 <endogenic> by the way i shoild mention plowsof the api i designed is totally different from the one we started building 3 yrs ago. this new one is significantly more powerful, simpler, and verified to be actually useful
01:48:51 <endogenic> the other one wasnt sufficient
01:49:31 <chesterfield[m]> endogenic: Link?
08:11:32 <mrnaif> <endogenic> "why dont you guys just use..." <- Same with wallet-rpc: it works with 1 address only, required additional setup, takes a long time to sync
08:11:32 <mrnaif> You can start using BitcartCC to accept payments instantly, that's good for new merchants 
08:24:25 <halontka89[m]> > <@mrnaif:matrix.org> Same with wallet-rpc: it works with 1 address only, required additional setup, takes a long time to sync
08:24:25 <halontka89[m]> > You can start using BitcartCC to accept payments instantly, that's good for new merchants 
08:24:25 <halontka89[m]> it doesn't support subaddresses?
08:25:39 <mrnaif> No, it uses integrated addresses
10:23:34 <Martin77[m]> anyone want to join my briar group , only 6 member though 
10:37:06 <chesterfield[m]> > <@mrnaif:matrix.org> Same with wallet-rpc: it works with 1 address only, required additional setup, takes a long time to sync
10:37:06 <chesterfield[m]> > You can start using BitcartCC to accept payments instantly, that's good for new merchants 
10:37:06 <chesterfield[m]> It supports many wallets as well as integrated addresses: https://github.com/vtnerd/monero-lws
11:06:10 <mrnaif> Hmm, maybe I didn't check it a lot. I will check it again later, my laptop ran out of RAM when compiling it (: 
12:06:01 <rbrunner> mrnaif: You have something that works, and as you reported seems to work well? Well, splendid
12:06:31 <rbrunner> Those lighwallet servers hang a bit up in the air for years already because it seems the Monero dev community cannot make up their mind
12:06:47 <rbrunner> whether they are core components of the Monero software or not.
12:07:30 <rbrunner> And development and improvements are pretty slow at times.
14:02:15 <endogenic> it's not true that they cant make up their mind rbrunner
14:02:30 <endogenic> it's that no one has brought the question up in years
14:03:08 <endogenic> rbrunner is working on his own competing project afaik
14:03:33 <endogenic> what needs to be done is actually to factor monero core code
14:03:45 <endogenic> it has little to do with monero lws being stalled haha
14:03:56 <endogenic> funny how it's the exact opposite of what you said
14:04:49 <endogenic> monerolws is perhaps the only thing which isnt stalled
14:11:02 <chesterfield[m]> <mrnaif> "Hmm, maybe I didn't check it a..." <- https://github.com/vdo/xmr.sh/blob/9bf2d794e7a27fdf97434c80d7df80f34b4e67e8/docker-compose.yml#L84
14:11:32 <chesterfield[m]> Image you can test out for lws
14:16:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> <endogenic> "funny how it's the exact..." <- ^^
15:01:47 <halontka89[m]> <endogenic> "monerolws is perhaps the only..." <- care to elaborate?
15:04:58 <endogenic> like i said, it's an example of where monero development didnt stall. if monero core were factored by me or someone who knows the techniques i know then monero lws would already reside in monero-project alongside simplewallet
15:05:24 <endogenic> it is an example of us doing something despite a "stalled" part of the project
15:06:26 <endogenic> and by stalled what was meant was that people dont think factoring is important enough (rare to nonexistent cases of this) OR they want to become famous or straight up distract effort from the rest of the project by building redundant or unnecessary and even dangerous APIs on top of wallet2
15:06:36 <endogenic> what a sad state of affairs for monero frankly
15:07:00 <endogenic> we already had the ways to use monero without building atop wallet2 , largely
15:07:52 <endogenic> but instead of working on factoring of core certain people have popularized certain means of integration which have gone the opposite direction
15:08:23 <endogenic> halontka89[m]:
15:08:24 <endogenic> https://youtu.be/DY0iE0cBXbc
15:09:15 <endogenic> i would do it myself but i have a lot more to do now..
15:09:33 <endogenic> maybe i'll hire someone eventually. we can certainly do a CCS for that now. multiple people have told me they would fund it
15:09:51 <endogenic> but i've got no direct assistance right now
15:10:09 <endogenic> frankly the work is already done in large part anyway
15:10:46 <endogenic> it merely needs to be PR'd but i am honestly scared of the risk of justifying certain PRs to devs here with some of the hostile and bad actors who still run amok here
15:11:22 <endogenic> well. not scared of spending my time justifying it to the devs who understand. like i said almost everyone admits it's key
15:11:32 <endogenic> but so many people have their own motives. such as the example above
15:11:44 <mrnaif> endogenic: Yeah, during implementation I saw that everyone was like "just use wallet2", which is an extremely big piece of code which needs to be used in a way. It was very hard to avoid using it. I think it shouldn't be a single source of truth indeed
15:12:09 <endogenic> but yeah almost evrryone agrees it's key and i have buyin / agreement from the most talented devs here
15:12:17 <endogenic> yeah wallet2 is a trainwreck
15:12:21 <endogenic> have a look at my talk
15:12:28 <endogenic> it's why i made mymonero-core-cpp
15:12:43 <endogenic> there's such a history that has been actively buried by certain community members
15:12:48 <endogenic> idk if they're trying to stall monero
15:12:49 <endogenic> or what
15:12:57 <endogenic> it's been happening for years and it goes DEEP
15:13:22 <endogenic> the real thing monero cant make up its mind about is whether to kick those people out
15:13:31 <endogenic> there's always an attack vector on this community
15:13:51 <endogenic> it's so easy to make people doubt such decisions
15:14:05 <endogenic> and to muddy the waters
15:14:17 <endogenic> but when people know the history and they know the reality of the situation they cant be fooled as easily
15:14:44 <endogenic> when monero kicks out its bad actors, its obstacles to changing and developing will be removed
15:15:17 <endogenic> no wonder those bad actors always have to blame everyone but themselves
15:15:30 <endogenic> that's how they maintain the confusion of the community
15:15:34 <endogenic> and their fear
15:15:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> endogenic: You had me until this line 
15:16:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> endogenic: ^
15:16:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Be clear 
15:16:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Who?
15:16:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cant kick what I cant see
15:21:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> <endogenic> "that's how they maintain the..." <- Dont get me wrong. I do agree that there are people fucking around.. but im very clear and direct when I address them... I dont leave things up to speculation or conspiracies when there's a problem.
15:21:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nothing can be perfect fixing a problem starts with identifying it
15:21:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Who?" <- Tldr 
15:56:00 <endogenic> if you (communally) cant recognize them now then that is not a solution yet
15:56:30 <endogenic> more important is communally having the ability, standard, and consensus to identify what is not helpful to monero (and ourselves) and what is helpful
15:56:42 <endogenic> people dont think highly enough of this problem
15:56:53 <endogenic> i have said many times this is what endangers monero
15:56:58 <endogenic> look at bitcoin
15:57:58 <endogenic> nevermind actually. mistaken comparison
15:58:57 <endogenic> point remains that until people make up their mind to orient the community in a productive direction instead of all fighting against each other then nothing will change except slowly for the worse
16:03:53 <alpharabius[m]> I feel like bitejo can become successful if done correctly
16:04:53 <ceetee[m]> I too thought about this before, if Monero goes down, it will be because of fights within and a split of the community
16:05:30 <alpharabius[m]> ceetee[m]: Which doesn't seem impossible imo
16:05:54 <ceetee[m]> What do you think is a the best approch to face this issue endogenic: ?
16:07:33 <alpharabius[m]> I just hope monero doesn't go down bcuz i have my life savings in it
16:09:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> ceetee[m]: I think the best approach is to stop waiting for someone else to point out the issues
16:09:56 <Lyza> I think a big issue potentially is assigning bad faith to people we merely have disagreements with. creates an atmosphere of distrust
16:10:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Waiting for a group of people to come to the same conclusion is not efficient at all. The points need to be brought forward and addressed
16:10:28 <ceetee[m]> The first step is to listen, it always is
16:10:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> What Lyza:   said. If it isnt public knowledge, its your opinion 
16:10:37 <Lyza> if you have criticism to make, you can make it without impugning someone's motives, unless you really have evidence they are bad actors and would like to lay it out, best not to make passing accusations I'd think
16:10:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> And youre afraid to speak on it
16:10:45 <ceetee[m]> I know your stance, but not endogenics
16:12:19 <Lyza> anyway last I checked the plan wass to ditch wallet2 for wallet3 when/if seraphis drops so does it even make sense to spend a bunch of time refactoring wallet2 rn, genuine question because idk
16:12:35 <endogenic> good question
16:12:45 <Lyza> if someone wants to do the work I don't see the issue but... /shrug
16:13:06 <endogenic> it's not clear when seraphis will be ready or how good that code will be. chances are it will be good enough and well factored
16:13:17 <endogenic> the factoring is not the biggest issue here though
16:13:28 <endogenic> the factoring is largely already done
16:13:38 <endogenic> i released it under a different repo years ago
16:14:00 <endogenic> the bigger issue is the ambiguity of everything nowadays here due to problems being covered up
16:14:06 <endogenic> it is a fatal condition for a project
16:14:09 <endogenic> we have been co opted
16:14:17 <Lyza> that is a very strong statement
16:14:30 <Lyza> which you should provide evidence for
16:14:38 <Lyza> everything is covered up? lay it out then
16:14:47 <endogenic> my job in part is to wake people up to this and try to bring back the old culture of development. the strongest contributors are all fragmented / separated now
16:14:58 <endogenic> or they got pushed out
16:15:08 <endogenic> i will say more when i am at less risk and exposure
16:15:25 <Lyza> bro what, is someone threatening your family what do you mean risk
16:15:30 <endogenic> i have my entire job on my shoulders with the exception of a small amount of help
16:15:44 <endogenic> Lyza there is a lot of history you dont know and which has been hidden
16:15:54 <endogenic> and this can keep happening as long as people churn thru monero
16:15:59 <endogenic> that's how it can keep happenung
16:16:05 <endogenic> people are being ground under wheels
16:16:07 <Lyza> yeah but you won't share you just keep making vague accusations
16:16:10 <Lyza> that is bad
16:16:14 <endogenic> untrue
16:16:18 <endogenic> i have been specific many times
16:16:29 <endogenic> the bigger question is whether people are ready to deal with it
16:16:32 <endogenic> bbl
16:16:37 <Lyza> "<endogenic> i will say more when i am at less risk and exposure" <--- what is this then
16:16:41 <Lyza> yeah okay bye
16:16:52 <endogenic> i will be more prepared to provide solutions soon(tm)
16:16:57 <endogenic> i have good reasons
16:17:02 <endogenic> thanks
16:17:27 <Lyza> welp I'll read whatever you gotta say when you're ready
16:20:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> <endogenic> "we have been co opted" <- By?
16:21:15 <Lyza> (it's me, I am in charge now)
16:21:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Send in DM if you want 
16:22:53 <chesterfield[m]> <endogenic> "i will be more prepared to..." <- Isn’t developing a solution in secret and spreading unfounded rumors about Monero and developers the problem?  
16:27:35 <ceetee[m]> people should be able to work on solutions in peace. There's always a chance of bad actors in open source projects, stating the fact is not a rumor
16:28:04 <chesterfield[m]> Someone ping me when the military grade Reddit drama post drops
16:29:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Endogenic didnt just say there is a possibly 
16:29:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> He said we have been co-opted
16:29:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Id like to know where to aim, plz and thx
16:30:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Otherwise dont pretend like youre in this fight to win.
16:34:43 <ceetee[m]> devs are limited, I'd rather be confident about things than acting swiftly and kicking out anyone by accident
16:53:42 <spacekitty420[m]> to a wider definition, cryptoworld as a whole currently is being co-opted for a long while now
16:53:42 <spacekitty420[m]> most likely not what was being hinted at here tho
16:53:42 <spacekitty420[m]> we all :tinfoil: up in here and always pointing fingers at who the ones doing an inside job for the glowies, and the ones to those fingers are pointed at are also pointing fingers as well o.o
16:58:37 <spacekitty420[m]> there's been theories of fluffy being compromised back then (necessary been done just in case at the time iirc, or maybe was just temporary, still...)
16:58:37 <spacekitty420[m]> maybe is cake that being like tryna do the whole malicious takeover o.o :tinfoil:
16:58:37 <spacekitty420[m]> like, is sgp sus? idk, he cute tho, well, he got cute eyes, whatever.... prob not doing the co-opting tho, idk....
17:00:22 <sgp[m]> If you all spent 1/10th of the time you spend conjuring conspiracy theories, on improving Monero with side projects, Monero would be worth $10,000 😂
17:01:10 <hashy[m]> kek
17:04:15 <sgp[m]> <plowsof> "i used to be pro sub-address..." <- Really? Why so?
17:04:33 <sgp[m]> You need a view key to detect incoming payments anyway
17:07:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> <sgp[m]> "If you all spent 1/10th of the..." <- How-to build cake pls
17:07:34 <endogenic> see?
17:07:36 <endogenic> example
17:07:53 <endogenic> wakey wakey
17:07:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Which example 
17:08:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yawn
17:08:43 <spacekitty420[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: how-to-build-android.md apparently
17:08:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Booe
17:08:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nope
17:08:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Doesn't work
17:09:00 <spacekitty420[m]> s/how/howto/, s/to-//
17:09:02 <sgp[m]> We're setting up automatic builds
17:09:22 <sgp[m]> Check the PRs; there's one with a build script
17:09:37 <sgp[m]> But these will be automated since building is boring
17:11:16 <sgp[m]> endogenic: Wow so specific and actionable 🙄
17:11:26 <endogenic> see?
17:11:29 <endogenic> ban sgp
17:12:00 <endogenic> he clearly has his own interests and is attempting to discredit someone with narrative control technqiues in the absence of facts
17:12:10 <Siren[m]> What
17:12:18 <endogenic> people can be deceived only when they are ignorant of the facts
17:12:26 <sgp[m]> What facts
17:12:29 <Siren[m]> What are the facts
17:12:34 <endogenic> few of you have any idea what people like them scheme about or have done or otherwise disrupted
17:12:42 <endogenic> sgp largely cares about fame
17:12:52 <endogenic> not the code base quality lol
17:13:01 <sgp[m]> I hear even fewer have heard any facts from you
17:13:07 <endogenic> if you arent ready to know then you wont pursue confirming it
17:13:10 <endogenic> sgp stop projecting
17:13:16 <endogenic> you're the one doing that
17:13:31 <endogenic> it's 1000x easier to make someone doubt then to make them confirm
17:13:39 <endogenic> so stop talking to me
17:13:41 <Siren[m]> endogenic: Just say it 
17:13:50 <endogenic> i just gave you an example
17:13:57 <endogenic> you treat your best contributors like garbage
17:14:04 <sgp[m]> Stop wasting everyone's time with circular conversations please. If you want a separate endogenic rambling channel, make one and people who want to listen can listen to you in a corner. Don't take this channel down for no reason
17:14:08 <endogenic> no wonder the noethers got so easily cast out
17:14:21 <endogenic> sgp you sound a little worried
17:14:29 <endogenic> and a little biased
17:14:33 <sgp[m]> endogenic: I went to Sarang's wedding last year..... I don't think he hates me
17:14:37 <endogenic> judge for yourself, monero
17:14:48 <endogenic> hate is different from indifference noob
17:14:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet/blob/cba6d8023d46812cd04870d7660ddb4cf50b6cc1/tool/utils/secret_key.dart#L31
17:14:52 <endogenic> i sais stop talking to me
17:15:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Endo, a convo works in 2 directions 
17:15:47 <sgp[m]> Serious question: is anyone against a endogenic ban, at least temporary? They show up and derail the conversation with circular, non-actionable, conspiracy nonsense
17:15:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> And this is a public room
17:15:59 <endogenic> there it is y'all
17:16:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes im against banning both of you
17:16:07 <endogenic> wake. up.
17:16:11 <Stnby[m]> I am so lost 😆, endogenic Are you claiming that sgp is sabotaging Monero?
17:16:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Endo has posted once in weeks, today
17:16:33 <spacekitty420[m]> sgp: sowry summoning u lol, just had intuition that it was something along those lines, yall enjoy your weekend <3
17:16:42 <sgp[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Yeah but every time he shows up it's this same old same old
17:17:59 <plowsof> (i see this is now off topic) but heres my opinion so far on integrated / sub address - if you are a merchant who values your customers privacy (it would be bad if anyone found out they sent funds to an address of your business because reasons) then you must use sub addresses and keep your viewkey private.  otherwise just re-use the same address and implement it without hurting your brain 
17:18:43 <Siren[m]> Why would subaddresses hurt someone's brain?
17:19:19 <Stnby[m]> I am against integrated addresses, and managing 100s of different separate wallets for each payment as well. But subaddresses <3
17:19:28 <sgp[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Yeah, you need these to build the connections to the relevant third parties. Otherwise things like Cake Pay won't work
17:20:26 <plowsof> ive implemented sub addresses , and i see that payment id's are 'easier' is all 
17:20:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> That was the line I was missing.. I think
17:20:45 <spacekitty420[m]> speaking of cake, heard there's an announcement related to cakepay next week or so, is there a specific day to look out for is nothing set in stone just yet?
17:20:58 <spacekitty420[m]> s/is/or/
17:21:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Plowsof says Friday is the best day
17:21:16 <Stnby[m]> plowsof: Depends on your use case, don't you think?
17:21:21 <sgp[m]> spacekitty420[m]: Not Monday :p Probably not Tuesday either
17:21:34 <spacekitty420[m]> alrighty, thanks :3
17:22:04 <plowsof> yes its all use-case based , hobbyist vs something more serious 
17:22:06 <Siren[m]> I hope it's gonna be the Cake Pay EU announcement :D
17:23:27 <plowsof> hobbyist - use a remote node with payment id's to sell your competitively priced stickers with exceptional customer support, just like they do over at [insert advertisement here]
17:24:20 <Stnby[m]> The difference is also how you track partial payments, maybe you want to have some customer balance associated with a subaddress, maybe something else.
17:24:35 <Siren[m]> How do you have partial payment support with payment ids?
17:24:43 <Siren[m]> Sounds hard
17:24:44 <plowsof> well thats easy for me because im waiting for Metronero ccs 
17:24:54 <mrnaif> Simply track two fields: amount, and amount_sent
17:25:01 <Stnby[m]> subaddresses do everything what integrated addresses do, but not the other way around.
17:25:04 <mrnaif> and well, amount_confirmed for my case
17:25:41 <Stnby[m]> In my opinion integrated addresses were supposed to be deprecated :D
17:25:54 <mrnaif> I think I remember reading on github issue about payment ids vs subaddresses that subaddresses don't allow to derive base address without private spend key or something like that, I might be wrong
17:26:17 <mrnaif> and without new seraphis scheme it can't be fixed
17:26:37 <sgp[m]> I can't wait for this new scheme to remove these issues
17:26:39 <Siren[m]> mrnaif: Wait - you can reuse payment ids? What about your second transfer that completes it?
17:26:46 <plowsof> problems ive noticed with subaddresses from a tech support angle : gate .io users have often setn funds to the 'base address' of the payment id , due to an old bug in the gui wallet. the merchants support team ;dont see the payment; and you enter 'ticket closed' hell for several months 
17:26:57 <plowsof> s/subaddresses/integrated**
17:27:15 <mrnaif> Siren[m]: Wait, why not? Maybe I missed something 🤔
17:27:40 <plowsof> so there are other issues with payment id's for users
17:27:48 <Stnby[m]> Also, single transaction cannot pay to multiple integrated addresses.
17:28:28 <spacekitty420[m]> thought that payment ids been removed few years ago tho?
17:28:31 <Stnby[m]> So yeah integrated addresses should be deprecated, removed from wallets etc. Imo
17:28:31 <Stnby[m]> Subaddresses are the preffered way
17:28:36 <sgp[m]> spacekitty420[m]: "removed"
17:28:40 <mrnaif> spacekitty420[m]: They are encrypted
17:28:49 <plowsof> every monero address has a random payment id in it. pls confirm
17:28:51 <Stnby[m]> spacekitty420[m]: There were talks, but some integrated address fan boys popped up
17:28:57 <spacekitty420[m]> aw :/
17:29:09 <plowsof> every monero address is an integrated address pls confirm xx
17:29:33 <Siren[m]> mrnaif: Isn't linkability between transactions an issue?
17:30:35 <mrnaif> Siren[m]: They are 2 transactions sent by same user. Same issue if you send 2 partial payments to one address generated in bitcoin, or to subaddress. Nothing changes here
17:30:49 <Stnby[m]> Read about the benefits of subaddresses here: https://monerodocs.org/public-address/subaddress/
17:30:49 <Stnby[m]> I do not want to copy paste everything.
17:31:41 <nioc> just want to say that I feel so much better now that Lyza is in charge
17:33:11 <nioc> see no reason to ban anybody now, people here are quite capable with using logic
17:36:03 <rbrunner> "In my opinion integrated addresses were supposed to be deprecated :D" I don't think that will really still happen on the way to Seraphis and Jamtis
17:36:09 <rbrunner> And then it's just addresses.
17:37:53 <Siren[m]> It's obscure tbh, subaddresses are at least private by default
17:39:38 <rbrunner> "thought that payment ids been removed few years ago tho?" The long ones, right, not the short encrypted ones
17:44:58 <plowsof> have a look for yourself by entering an address into rbrunners site here https://monerotech.info/Home/Address 
18:01:37 <Stnby[m]> Is there a single mention of integrated addresses on getmonero site?
18:02:01 <Stnby[m]> As I remember not seeing anything like that.
18:02:15 <Siren[m]> Stnby[m]: Yes
18:02:23 <Siren[m]> It's under addresses page
18:03:47 <Stnby[m]> Oh right, https://www.getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/paymentid.html
19:19:09 <chesterfield[m]> <mrnaif> "I think I remember reading on..." <- Subaddresses are shit for merchants currently
19:21:55 <chesterfield[m]> Hope their remaining issues get resolved soon
20:22:37 <alpharabius[m]> plowsof: thanks for telling me your opinion😀😀😀
21:02:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> What was plowsof's opinion 
21:02:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> I hope he didnt say I looked fat in that dress...
21:03:54 <plowsof> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/361
21:05:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/361?commit_id=09e75589cb1dd65ba87d3cd8c515de62b7857699#note_19727
21:05:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Damn, I should have sent link before reading 
21:06:21 <plowsof> Close the proposal please
21:07:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> But yeah.
21:07:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> There are multiple hurdles (impossibilities at this point) with going from a proposal > reality.
21:08:26 <selsta> who did the original archive proposal?
21:08:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> The idea itself, is one that has been spoken about a billion times and has been covered in depth on GitHub and here on matrix
21:08:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> monero_archiver: 
21:15:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> > <@plowsof:matrix.org> Close the proposal please
21:15:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> > 
21:15:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> alpharabius: 
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