01:55:07 <alpharabius[m]> <selsta> "who did the original archive..." <- M3e
01:55:25 <alpharabius[m]> > <@plowsof:matrix.org> Close the proposal please
01:55:25 <alpharabius[m]> > 
01:55:25 <alpharabius[m]> So you're not going to accept it?
01:58:10 <alpharabius[m]> 🥲
01:58:31 <plowsof> i do not have that power to close a proposal. after seeing the reactions so far (negative) i do not know what you expect to happen at the meeting (just trying to save you any pain as soon as possible)
01:58:58 <alpharabius[m]> alpharabius[m]: I mean at least i tried
02:11:33 <alpharabius[m]> Time to go back to shilling for products i don't even personally use
02:11:38 <alpharabius[m]> It was fun though
02:17:04 <alpharabius[m]> <alpharabius[m]> "Time to go back to shilling..." <- Or doing fraud
02:17:17 <alpharabius[m]> Whichever one makes me money before summer
02:20:24 <alpharabius[m]> Joke btw
02:20:28 <alpharabius[m]> I was joking
02:30:00 <alpharabius[m]> If you don't understand, i made a joke abt fraud the mods deleted
02:35:49 <nioc> lucky for you it doesn't get deleted on IRC  :D
02:36:06 <nioc> I took it as a joke 
02:39:14 <dduck> hi
02:39:22 <dduck> anyone here
02:40:43 <plowsof> do i have to answer an unknown question if i say yes 
02:53:56 <dduck> lol
02:53:59 <dduck> not really
02:54:04 <dduck> when do you sleep
02:54:10 <dduck> i'm in the class
02:54:29 <dduck> anyone using tor on android?
02:58:06 <nioc> tor browser 
02:58:31 <alpharabius[m]> dduck: Me
03:02:05 <dduck> its crashing after latest update
03:02:35 <dduck> on click 'connect' alpharabius[m]
05:35:29 <Mumuks> https://twitter.censors.us/Spiro_Ghost/status/1596625144814141441
06:11:30 <M4ryo49[m]> Monero newbie here. For Feather Wallet, is there a way to select P2Pool? I don't see it in the list under "Pool/node address". I tried manually entering 127.0.0.1:18081 in the "Configure", but it doesn't do anything that way, whereas if I select one of the prelisted addresses, it hashes normally. For reference, I am able to mine on P2Pool via the Monero.com GUI Wallet installed with a full local node on the same machine. Don't
06:11:30 <M4ryo49[m]> really care about making anything, just want to support the network.
06:12:21 <Inge> <3
06:13:27 <M4ryo49[m]> * the "Configure" menu, but
06:22:15 <sech1> Only Monero GUI wallet can mine to p2pool as far as I know
06:22:20 <sech1> or XMRig
06:22:36 <sech1> Read https://p2pool.io/#help
06:24:42 <monerobull[m]> Not sure if Gupax already works but it should be too
06:25:03 <monerobull[m]> Although running your own node supports the network more
06:57:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> <alpharabius[m]> "> <@plowsof:matrix.org> Close..." <- Its more like.. "please withdraw your proposal.. so we dont have to"
07:03:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/236
07:05:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> "https://git.wownero.com/monero-project/monero
07:05:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats a public mirror
07:05:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> - selsta"
07:06:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> alpharabius:  more reading for you ^^
07:12:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> <dduck> "anyone using tor on android?" <- #monero-offtopic:monero.social 
09:37:54 <M4ryo49[m]> <sech1> "Read https://p2pool.io/#help" <- I see, thank you. I didn't realize that. I'll just stick with the GUI wallet while waiting for Gupax then.
09:47:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> "I tried manually entering 127.0.0.1:18081 in the "Configure" menu, but it doesn't do anything that way, whereas if I select one of the prelisted addresses, it hashes normally."
09:47:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sounds like your local daemon was not running.
09:47:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you manually start p2pool, the address to use is 127.0.0.1:3333
09:47:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Disclaimer: im assuming from this statement "if I select one of the prelisted addresses, it hashes normally" that feather includes xmrig
09:47:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> 4ryo49:  
09:56:18 <M4ryo49[m]> I've never tried to manually start p2pool. I only have it running via the GUI wallet. I guess this is where my problem lies?
09:57:58 <M4ryo49[m]> Yes, feather includes xmrig, or integrates it I suppose you could say.
10:27:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes.
10:27:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> You need to leave the daemon running to use 18081  (in addition, you need to start p2pool manually if using 3333)
11:32:01 <scotland0[m]> Plowsof and sgp, can you come dm with me?
11:35:42 <scotland0[m]> I wanna ask something in dm.
11:36:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sup?
11:37:45 <scotland0[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Did you write me?
11:37:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah
11:38:17 <scotland0[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I don't mean with you in dm.
11:38:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why not me 🙃
11:43:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Plowsof and sgp might be available soon, but they dont seem to be here right now. 
11:43:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Do you NEED _them_? (Is it a moderation issue?) 
11:43:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> If not, I (or someone else) should be able to help you. 
11:48:10 <vikCake[m]> sgp_ (New Account: @sgp:magicgrants.org): 
12:21:17 <plowsof> scotland0asked me if ledger is 24 or 25 words 😆
12:22:55 <qortz[m]> Default is 24 words. 25 words can be setup in ledger live. Easy
12:26:26 <scotland0[m]> qortz[m]: Sir, there is an event to convert 24 words in hardware wallet to 25 words (electrum/monero) and if conversion occurs, 25 words (electrum/monero) will appear on the ledger device.
12:26:27 <M4ryo49[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Yes.
12:26:27 <M4ryo49[m]> > You need to leave the daemon running to use 18081  (in addition, you need to start p2pool manually if using 3333)
12:26:27 <M4ryo49[m]> Alright, i'll give that a try later. Thank you.
12:46:07 <vladimirputin195> <qortz[m]> "Default is 24 words. 25 words..." <- default 24 words.  not in monero ledger live.  24 words can be converted to 25 words in the device.  For this reason, 25 words can be seen on the ledger device.
12:47:36 <vladimirputin195> * default 24 words. Monero is not in ledger live.  24 words can be converted to 25 words in the ledger device.  For this reason, 25 words can be seen on the ledger device.
13:07:03 <qortz[m]> <vladimirputin195> "default 24 words.  not in monero..." <- Ok didnt know that. Sold my ledger long time ago, but i can remember that it was possible to setup the 25 word in the app for the whole device (so also for monero)
13:14:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> 24* words for the whole device
14:09:47 <sgp[m]> plowsof: added you as mod in #monero:monero.social and #monero-dev:monero.social 
14:11:25 <selsta> nice
14:19:11 <plowsof> thanks sgp 
14:40:21 <alpharabius[m]> Bruh
14:42:04 <alpharabius[m]> I just spent 26 dollars in trocador on a transaction that was only supposed to be 15
14:43:06 <alpharabius[m]> I'm finna cry cuz that's 10 dollars into thin air
14:43:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> How do you spend dollars
14:45:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im assuming this isnt a bug, but user error 
14:45:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or blockchain fees for whatever you used. (Didnt check)
14:52:54 <alpharabius[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "How do you spend dollars" <- I use xmr
14:53:14 <alpharabius[m]> I just translate it approx. to dollars
14:53:55 <alpharabius[m]> I'm boutta kms bruh. So much money in the drain
14:55:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bruddah, im not sending you $10
14:55:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> What did you swap into, and what exchange was it through 
14:55:37 <nioc> swap services can be expensive 
14:57:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you received what you were quoted, there was no issue
14:57:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you received less, you need to look into why
14:59:26 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: It was xmr and i used trocador
14:59:29 <nioc> I've seen people post screenshots where the swap service says that what you will receive is an approximation, this is because prices are volitle 
14:59:48 <alpharabius[m]> The fee was only a dollar
15:00:05 <nioc> you can choose to receive a fixed amount, this usually comes with a higher fee
15:01:11 <nioc> but imma not using a cex!!!  well they all run using binance  :)
15:01:38 <nioc> binance needs your business desperately 
15:04:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> alpharabius[m]: Trocador is just a proxy 
15:04:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> alpharabius[m]: XMR <> ______ 
15:04:26 <bananagirl[m]> hi :) I come from the telegram group since that place got flooded with spammers, and I generally wanted to move away from TG 🫡❤️
15:06:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> MajesticBank @MajesticBank:libera.chat: 
15:06:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> My sentiments exactly 
15:06:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Those who wish to be here, will be here.
15:07:40 <alpharabius[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Xmr to btc
15:08:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why would you do such a thing 
15:08:22 <bananagirl[m]> alpharabius[m]: I usually use exch and exolix for random alt coins 
15:09:00 <MajesticBank> maybe talking about @monero telegram group
15:09:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> I use exch and Fixedfloat and ltc or bch
15:09:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> But alpharabius:  try to keep from going off topic 
15:09:59 <alpharabius[m]> alpharabius[m]: It said exch.cx
15:10:05 <bananagirl[m]> if you want to spend it at an merchant you can use fixedfloat or sideshift and specify a fixed amount, but they both block anti fingerprinting so you need to create a new browser profile everytime you use em 
15:10:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> You're a bad influence on me
15:10:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Exch allows using tor bananagirl:  and Fixedfloat can be used over tor via trocador.app
15:11:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero:monero.social  or #monero-offtopic:monero.social 
15:11:10 <bananagirl[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: ohh thats nice! did not know about trocador 
15:11:28 <bananagirl[m]> thought it was just another swap preview thing like orange
15:11:37 <bananagirl[m]> thanks for letting me know :))
15:12:05 <nioc> exchanging xmr for btc?  they should have taken all your $$  :D 
15:12:49 <nioc> well maybe you wanted to pay somebody that only accepted btc
15:13:12 <bananagirl[m]> nioc: yeah, thats why I usually use swaps
15:14:14 <bananagirl[m]> I use fixedflat for lightning btc so i can use it on the moon card
15:14:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> nioc: Dont think so. They didnt use the fixed exchange rate 
15:15:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> And lost 30% of the value of the tx.. supposedly
15:16:21 <alpharabius[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Bruddah, im not sending you $10" <- Bruddah???
15:19:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sista?
15:20:22 <alpharabius[m]> Sista???
15:20:34 <alpharabius[m]> Just call me the gamer word
15:20:39 <alpharabius[m]> Jkjk
15:20:41 <alpharabius[m]> Don't
15:20:56 <spacekitty420[m]> f word? n word? so many gamer words 😹
15:21:22 <spacekitty420[m]> r word?
15:23:35 <alpharabius[m]> The fee is 10 bucks💀💀💀
15:23:38 <alpharabius[m]> What the fuck are these fees 
15:23:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bitcoin 
15:24:19 <alpharabius[m]> I'm boutta die w/ these fees
15:26:18 <spacekitty420[m]> just dont use bitcoin then....
15:26:24 <spacekitty420[m]> and if u do then do with LN
15:28:25 <spacekitty420[m]> is with bitrefill they still don't accept xmr for some whatever reason, pissing me off legit... but they have lightning, fixedfloat supports lightning as well or just fuck btc entirely and do with ltc and doggocoin, they widely accepted as well
15:28:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kitty >> bring it over to monero or off topic 
15:29:14 <spacekitty420[m]> nah, just came back with food, gonna catch up on that white lotus episode o.o
15:43:46 <RavFX[m]1> For bitrefill, I just use LTC, faster to obtain and lower scamfees
15:49:59 <MajesticBank> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/362
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16:40:12 <Lovera[m]> Would this work in Monero??
16:41:25 <Lovera[m]> https://arxiv.org/abs/2211.13335
17:19:14 <monerobull[m]> Sounds like fancy words for atomic swaps?
17:19:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think this was posted before. . Maybe mrl or dev
17:43:50 <rbrunner> Could not find it here: https://moneroresearch.info/ Maybe too new still.
17:45:39 <Lovera[m]> <monerobull[m]> "Sounds like fancy words for..." <- From discusión on twitter:
17:45:39 <Lovera[m]> Different between atomic swaps and ping pong swaps : 
17:45:39 <Lovera[m]> “Good question. Works in any blockchain where you can open unidirectional payment channels, cryptographically is simpler. Require less on-chain tx. If both parts are in the lightning network and want to swap for btc a token with a fast blockchain it can be done in a few seconds.”
17:47:39 <Rucknium[m]> Has not been posted before AFAIK. Yes, it requires payment channels. There are some papers already that claim viable Monero payment channels. None implemented in production AFAIK.
17:48:29 <Rucknium[m]> So in theory if someone implements payment channels on Monero then maybe Ping-Pong Swaps would be possible with other blockchains with payment channels.
17:50:36 <Rucknium[m]> Yes, three payment channel proposals. See the links under "Payment channels": https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/94
17:51:33 <Lovera[m]> Rucknium[m]: Thank you Rucknium, I just wanted to ask you about these papers.
18:20:37 <needmoney90> Anyone want to help me catalogue the bots on r/monero? Won't be home until probably wednesday, but I'm getting a bit annoyed by the non-sequiturs
18:21:49 <needmoney90> Pattern is comments from accounts that haven't posted in a few months then suddenly pop up with a non-sequitur, prior comments are generally in default subs, suddenly commenting in r/monero without having done so previously, and also chatting in r/cryptocurrency
18:22:58 <needmoney90> Also inb4 'bots are people too!!!' :)
18:28:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://matrix.to/#/#no-wallet-left-behind:monero.social
18:28:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Meeting right btw
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18:35:32 <spacekitty420[m]> 4 fucking rooms......
18:35:42 <spacekitty420[m]> 🙃
18:36:10 <nioc> they had to change matrix rooms so should be #2
18:36:31 <nioc> the other is IRC and it's bridged to matrix
18:37:07 <spacekitty420[m]> #2 was the one till now but today is apparently the #1, probably cause the haveno homeserver issue or somethin but it didnt seem to have issue today so i actually have no fucking idea why LOL
18:37:22 <nioc> they had to cahnge matrix rooms twice, once to bridge and once because of the change of servers
18:37:46 <nioc> no haveno server anymore
18:45:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its on monero.social and irc now
18:56:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://matrix.to/#/!dNHEplVyfwtUhqDdKF:matrix.org/$7OmyPUGDQUBI1oEHhDPPm4ZjVh1OuPEATHejzVNLLVs?via=monero.social&via=libera.chat&via=matrix.org
19:07:18 <rbrunner> Yup, that Matrix room story for the Seraphis workgroup so far is quite a trainwreck. Bad luck twice. But hopefully we found our home now.
19:08:04 <spacekitty420[m]> <3
19:08:42 <rbrunner> I am sure that's the NSA throwing rocks our way to derail
19:48:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org:  can you help user in #monero-offtopic:monero.social  with rockpro64 info
19:48:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or anyone who uses or knows about em