00:54:38 <doubting_eric[m]> Has anyone thought of taking the chainanalysis training on reactor to understand the capabilities? Says ~$800 USD and virtual live sessions
00:58:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> They dont accept xmr?
01:00:16 <doubting_eric[m]> lol just saying --- know your enemy and all that
01:06:25 <Rucknium[m]> I think they just train you on the interface. Don't tell you how it works.
01:08:24 <doubting_eric[m]> True no algorithms or the like, but still might be valuable to understand it and maybe get a trial license or something
01:08:24 <doubting_eric[m]> idk the thought crossed my mind while thinking about monero OPSEC
01:08:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Can you show me how to crack monero"
01:08:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> "hahahahahahahaha..... no. Thx for the 800 donation"
01:09:14 <Rucknium[m]> Chainalysis has no public Monero tracing software as far as I know
01:12:06 <doubting_eric[m]> hahaah no I don't want to crack it, hope it never is --- just want to know what makes people's jobs that use it ineffective or statistically irrelevant
01:14:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kraken CEO had a good quote about the way it works with these companiesn
01:16:14 <doubting_eric[m]> Link/example?
01:16:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> .. cant find it rn
01:17:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its about how these companies put pressure on regulators to cause delistings because they cant solve the problem 
01:18:26 <doubting_eric[m]> Ah yeah that sucks, but are you saying then that analysis in the traditional sense or what they advertise isn't what they claim?
01:18:28 <nioc> https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/dnMiorVYvNdyilaJlbryUDuV/image.png
01:19:30 <nioc> ofrnxmr[m]: ^^ is that it?
01:20:12 <doubting_eric[m]> lol sounds about right
01:21:51 <spacekitty420[m]> <spacekitty420[m]> "image.png" <- o.o
01:22:54 <nioc> yes it's an image
01:24:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/r2tbs6/comment/hm902ih/
01:24:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah
01:24:23 <spacekitty420[m]> right but i did that screenshot \o/
01:24:24 <spacekitty420[m]> 🍪
01:24:38 <spacekitty420[m]> 🥛🍪
01:24:47 <nioc> oh, I knew I got it from somewhere, thx
01:25:00 <spacekitty420[m]> :3
01:25:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> I was googling like a madman
03:04:53 <pritcha_soft[m]> Ребята, привет! Есть ли смысл майнить Монеро на среднем центральном процессоре (для монтажа видео подходит ПК), есть SSD по SATA. Да и можно, ли использовать видеокарты (GPU)?
03:05:26 <anhdres[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "But monerujo NFC is broken iirc" <- Yes, it's broken atm. Will fix soon.
03:17:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> sech1: 
10:29:27 <v1docq47> pritcha_soft[m], целенаправленно заниматься майнингом на пользовательском процессоре не имеет смысла по причине того, что счета за электричество будет сводить всю прибыль на нет. Можно в целях  поддержания децентрализации сети использовать соло м
10:29:27 <v1docq47> айнинг или майнингом на p2pool. На видеокартах майнить нельзя, только CPU.
15:06:09 <nioc> when will monerokon CCS change status from draft and when will it go to funding required? 
15:14:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> ajs_ @ajs_:matrix.org: 
15:17:21 <nioc> other proposals whose status should have changed has not so work that needs to be done is not limited to the monerokon
15:17:50 <nioc> of what needs to be done I only care about monerokon
15:19:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monerokon draft status is up to ajs and #monero-events:monero.social 
15:22:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> luigi1111: 
15:23:00 <nioc> plowsof: seems that you are using your alt/sockpuppet 
15:23:51 <ajs_[m]> Just waiting on the final balance from Monerokon 2022 to update the amount requested
15:24:09 <nioc> thx  :)
15:25:35 <ajs_[m]> ^ binaryFate @binaryFate:libera.chat: 
16:42:21 <plowsof> ajs pls confirm i sent you a private message yesterday 
16:44:06 <ajs_[m]> plowsof: Hi. I didn't see it. could you send it again
16:45:10 <plowsof> its ok, i was asking about the draft status and such, we have the answer now 
16:46:26 <nioc> plowsof on the ball
16:50:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> nioc:  thanks
16:52:20 <nioc> a vast cooperative effort  :)
17:22:36 <NotMtth[m]> Hey guys, was going thru some Monero Payment Processors and I found the CCS realted to XmrSale.
17:22:36 <NotMtth[m]> Any news on it? Seen the last commits on May of this year and also last payout around the same time.
17:22:36 <NotMtth[m]> https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/xmrsale-2021.html
17:31:32 <icarolongo[m]> > <@notmtth:matrix.org> Hey guys, was going thru some Monero Payment Processors and I found the CCS realted to XmrSale.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/048ae9f0516b0dcf9118f745e7f11a7156e801d8>)
17:34:01 <icarolongo[m]> > <@notmtth:matrix.org> Hey guys, was going thru some Monero Payment Processors and I found the CCS realted to XmrSale.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/2192c854b3ee278ac65f4264d590f1dc22bf1afd>)
17:37:13 <plowsof> its in the Purgatory list 😔 along with several others (e.g. monero archive) - i've not yet pushed for action on these https://github.com/plowsof/ccs-wip-list#purgatory realistically, we need to pick the easiest one to fix, and come to a decision that we're all happy with 
17:41:04 <Siren[m]> What does AWOL stand for again?
17:44:54 <kowalabearhugs-[> Siren[m]: absent without leave or absence without official leave i.e. deserted 
18:03:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Seraphis meeting in #no-wallet-left-behind:monero.social right now
18:50:58 <Rucknium[m]> MAGIC Monero Fund voter and candidate applications are now open: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/zddfya/voter_applications_and_committee_candidate/
18:51:25 <Rucknium[m]> If you want input on how the MAGIC Monero Fund operates, become a voter or run for a committee seat.
18:51:58 <Inge> Rucknium[m]: where are we with strengthening Monero against statisitcal-probabalistic attacks?
19:10:28 <Rucknium[m]> Inge: In September I sent my draft of the fully specified estimation plan for OSPEAD to the scientific review panel. Public version is here: https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/93
19:11:22 <Rucknium[m]> h.yc gave the plan a green light. Some public comments here: https://odysee.com/@MoneroTalk:8/monero%E2%80%99s-anti-asic-pow-randomx-is-3!:e?t=7320
19:12:27 <Inge> cool
19:12:28 <Rucknium[m]> i.sthmus and A.rticMine are still reviewing it. i.sthmus said recently "I did give it a high-level read when initially delivered, and nothing jumped out as obviously problematic. " https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20221123#c163963
19:13:28 <Rucknium[m]> So the next steps are for the panel to suggest changes, if any, and then move forward with estimation.
19:14:19 <Rucknium[m]> There is a fundraiser for mj to perform certain C++ tasks: https://monerofund.org/projects/statistical_attack_reduction
19:14:42 <Inge> Glad to hear it is moving forward. 
19:15:31 <Rucknium[m]> If it gets funded, then we include the revealed information into the estimation. If it doesn't get funded, then estimation can move forward still, but OSPEAD will have particular blind spots.
19:17:23 <Inge> I'd not be surprised if it gets funded
20:03:23 <mj-xmr[m]> Inge: So far the reasons for initially blocking the funding have been taken back in an elegant way:
20:03:25 <mj-xmr[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/yyohle/comment/iwvdihe/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
20:03:54 <mj-xmr[m]> Thanks Rucknium for mentioning the proposal. I'm not giving up on this one.
20:04:23 <mj-xmr[m]> BTW, the entire one month of work on this one has already been performed, documented, reviewed and published here:
20:05:16 <mj-xmr[m]> https://github.com/MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund/issues/21#issuecomment-1315367147
20:06:14 <mj-xmr[m]> Please note, that it was not only me, who's done a lot of work, which is now in an impasse. There was a lot of behind the scenes discussion, reviews and technical platform preparation.
20:06:31 <mj-xmr[m]> A result of work of about 5 persons. Correct, Rucknium ?
20:08:20 <mj-xmr[m]> Each with a variety of skill sets.
20:14:26 <mj-xmr[m]> So let me say it directly: If I may speak for anybody else from MAGIC: All of us went into a risk by wanting to show you results first, before asking for any money. And that risk bit us back.
20:15:33 <mj-xmr[m]> (as per Moore's Law)
20:16:40 <mj-xmr[m]> (as per Murphy's Law)
20:30:49 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Too many xmr rooms, its like bureaucracy now!!
21:19:48 <Rucknium[m]> 5 people? Are we talking about the scientific review panel (3 people) plus you and me?
21:30:11 -xmr-pr- [meta] Rucknium opened issue #763: Monero Research Lab Meeting - Wed 07 December 2022
21:30:11 -xmr-pr- > https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/763
21:36:09 <RavFX[m]> <DanIsnotthemanBr> "Too many xmr rooms, its like..." <- More is better (if there widely used)
21:36:10 <RavFX[m]> That way we can have more simultaneous & different conversations without breaking other people conversations.
21:38:55 <RavFX[m]> Also the fact that we use many channel and that there widely used is a proof of monero success.
21:38:55 <RavFX[m]> Go look for Piratechain for example, they have one channel and nobody talk in it.
21:46:35 <mj-xmr[m]> Rucknium: Yes, plus deverick who maintains the GH project & monerobull who responds the quickest and organizes a lot & sgp , who prepared all the boring legal stuff, that neither of us would probably ever want to touch even under a death treat :)
21:47:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Death threats, where, where 💀
21:47:28 <monerobull[m]> monerobull who responds the quickest (terminally online) 💀
21:47:36 <mj-xmr[m]> LIVES HERE
21:48:40 <mj-xmr[m]> And last but not least - your code monkey of the last resort. Me.