00:41:22 <Siren[m]> Do you think KYC/AML regulations apply if an ATM is rented/bought out and placed on a privately owned space?
00:41:51 <Siren[m]> s/privately/private/, s/owned/space/, s/space/(like a rented venue, an apartment etc.)/
00:48:56 <plowsof11> "Hermes Bitcoin ATMs require customers to provide their phone number for identity verification, but require a photo ID if the transaction exceeds a certain amount." 
00:52:18 <plowsof11> i have no idea about aml laws - i assume the laws apply when 'i try to deposit cash into my bank' and they ask me where it came from 🤷
03:44:02 <sgp[m]> <Siren[m]> "Do you think KYC/AML regulations..." <- not legal advice, but yes
03:51:04 <alpharabius[m]> <plowsof11> "rayatina aka alpharabius  i..." <- By becoming a sysadmin i meant managing my own server
03:51:08 <alpharabius[m]> Which is what i do
04:03:07 <alpharabius[m]> Yo who needs a paraguay residency for xmr
04:03:53 <alpharabius[m]> https://residencyforparaguay.com/
04:04:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero:monero.social 
04:05:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stop posting random stuff here 
04:21:52 <DanIsnotthemanBr> (.)(.)
04:45:52 <plowsof11> i think that residency link is a scam also ?
08:31:36 <M0xiris[m]> <alpharabius[m]> "Yo who needs a paraguay residenc..." <- Paraguay is a shithole. Iguazu is the best thing about it
08:56:54 <Siren[m]> <sgp[m]> "not legal advice, but yes" <- I see. Even if we tried to somehow pass it as a "vending machine" there are a lot of documents and government approval to get. I think if we want to sell anything we will sell a DIY kit. At least for now I don't see how that can go wrong.
09:17:10 <monerobull[m]1> Vending machine could work with paperwallets :P
09:17:52 <monerobull[m]1> "this machine doesn't send you any crypto, not a money transmitter at all! Just hands out this little piece of paper with 25 words on it!"
09:21:10 <sech1> so what you're saying it's giving out cash, right? right?
09:21:16 <monerobull[m]1> Now I'm wondering if you could automate that
09:22:07 <monerobull[m]1> monerobull[m]1: Receive fiat, create paperwallet and send funds to it, print, dispense 
09:22:57 <monerobull[m]1> That's just like a ticket dispenser with xmr backend actually
09:24:05 <sech1> vending machine that sells fortune cookies with 25 special words inside
09:25:19 <monerobull[m]1> That's too complicated, can't be done on the fly
09:26:12 <monerobull[m]1> What would be funny is "toast dispenser" that just happens to laser some words onto the bread
09:26:58 <monerobull[m]1> Also gives an incentive to actually withdrawal the funds from the toast instead of leaving it on the paper
09:32:05 <sech1> "withdrawal the funds from the toast" never thought I'd ever heard it :D
09:44:22 <Siren[m]> I mean it can be made so it's an arcade machine at the same time as a disguise
09:44:49 <Siren[m]> But the cash acceptor there is a giveaway
09:46:38 <Siren[m]> <monerobull[m]1> "Now I'm wondering if you could..." <- You can receive fiat, create new wallet with wallet-rpc, transfer to it and print the seed of this new wallet
09:47:20 <Siren[m]> That is very easy to automate
09:47:54 <Siren[m]> Can even print a voucher for cash that you can take to the atm owner for cashing out your monero
09:48:19 <Siren[m]> I was wondering if you avoided the monero->cash scenario, could you actually classify this thing as a vending machine?
09:49:43 <Siren[m]> Then there is no KYC requirements but you gotta get electrical safety certs etc
10:16:29 <monerobull[m]1> <Siren[m]> "I was wondering if you avoided..." <- I think this is similar to the places where you buy a 50$ water bottle and then get some weed as a "gift"
10:16:46 <Siren[m]> Lmao
10:17:55 <Siren[m]> <Siren[m]> "I was wondering if you avoided..." <- Talked to an ex fed about this yesterday, he said they won't fall for it
10:18:15 <Siren[m]> Sad
10:18:42 <monerobull[m]1> It's entirely off-chain, what are they gonna do ;)
10:19:06 <monerobull[m]1> Sharing a piece of paper with 25 words should be free speech 
10:19:42 <Siren[m]> They don't understand anything like that but as long as it involves crypto they have problems with it
10:19:52 <Siren[m]> * involves crypto and cash they have
11:11:13 <ceetee[m]> <monerobull[m]1> "What would be funny is "toast..." <- thanks, now I want to build this😅
11:12:26 <ceetee[m]> it's a fancy toaster vending machine that produces unique and edible nfts
11:12:27 <ceetee[m]> doesn't sound illegal to me
11:14:03 <ceetee[m]> how large would the qr code have to be?🤔
11:16:54 <monerobull[m]1> Don't think qr works weel
11:17:03 <monerobull[m]1> s/weel/well/
11:17:12 <monerobull[m]1> Would have to be seedwords i assume 
14:50:35 <markovich[m]> Hello. Can I ask a question?
14:52:29 <tobtoht[m]> https://dontasktoask.com/
14:55:21 <markovich[m]> I did ask to ledger but ledger don't answer me.
14:55:26 <markovich[m]> Is this statement completely correct , sir ? This statement = ( For Monero , can the same monero assets be reached with just only 24 words without 25 words (electrum/monero) after conversion from 24 words to 25 words (electrum/monero) on the Ledger device and reset the ledger device ? )
14:55:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof: 
14:55:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Banhammer: 
14:56:11 <markovich[m]> No
14:56:15 <markovich[m]> Dont ban
14:56:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
14:56:23 <markovich[m]> I love you ofrnxmr
14:56:34 <markovich[m]> Please i want to answer
14:56:38 <markovich[m]> Is this statement completely correct , sir ? This statement = ( For Monero , can the same monero assets be reached with just only 24 words without 25 words (electrum/monero) after conversion from 24 words to 25 words (electrum/monero) on the Ledger device and reset the ledger device ? )
14:57:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> sgp: 
14:57:10 <markovich[m]> Ledger don't answer me
14:57:34 <sech1> I'm not surprised
14:58:11 <markovich[m]> Please answer me sir
14:58:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Pay me 
14:58:52 <sech1> I don't even have Ledger, how would I know the answer. Sir.
14:59:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> SGP ^ spammer returns
14:59:16 <sgp[m]> Is everyone here for a ban of the user? I don't have time today to go in circles :/
14:59:33 <markovich[m]> Please clear answer sir
14:59:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> You've been answered at least 30 times by for monthsm 
14:59:54 <markovich[m]> Please i like you
14:59:54 <markovich[m]> I need clear answer
14:59:56 <markovich[m]> Is this statement completely correct , sir ? This statement = ( For Monero , can the same monero assets be reached with just only 24 words without 25 words (electrum/monero) after conversion from 24 words to 25 words (electrum/monero) on the Ledger device and reset the ledger device ? )
15:00:26 <markovich[m]> Why is no answer me
15:01:04 <markovich[m]> Ofrnxmr please answer me
15:01:10 <sech1> Just enter the 25 words into your Ledger and you'll get the answer
15:01:12 <markovich[m]> I have no money
15:01:23 <markovich[m]> Please i need answer
15:01:42 <markovich[m]> Please answer me
15:01:53 <markovich[m]> Is this statement completely correct , sir ? This statement = ( For Monero , can the same monero assets be reached with just only 24 words without 25 words (electrum/monero) after conversion from 24 words to 25 words (electrum/monero) on the Ledger device and reset the ledger device ? )
15:02:11 <sech1> wtf is electrum/monero
15:02:17 <sgp[m]> markovich: this is a community channel. You need to be mindful of other people here. Please post on https://reddit.com/r/MoneroSupport
15:02:31 <sech1> electrum is not a monero wallet
15:02:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sech1 answered you
15:03:07 <markovich[m]> If u know, say me
15:03:12 <markovich[m]> Is this statement completely correct , sir ? This statement = ( For Monero , can the same monero assets be reached with just only 24 words without 25 words (electrum/monero) after conversion from 24 words to 25 words (electrum/monero) on the Ledger device and reset the ledger device ? )
15:03:23 <sech1> no one here knows, sir
15:03:26 <markovich[m]> Completely correct or not?
15:03:27 <sech1> look in other places
15:03:54 <sgp[m]> !bh bannow markovich
15:04:07 <markovich[m]> No dont ban
15:04:31 <sgp[m]> !bh bannow markovich 
15:04:44 <markovich[m]> No no
15:05:36 <sech1> 2 minutes of googling: https://github.com/LedgerHQ/app-monero/tree/master/tools/python
15:05:49 <sech1> The 24-word recovery phrase of your Ledger device is a backup of your private keys, including those for Monero. You can restore your 24-word recovery phrase on any Ledger hardware wallet, install the Monero app and manage your coins.
15:05:49 <sech1> In case you need emergency access to your Monero without having access to a hardware wallet, you can restore your wallet as a Monero software wallet with 25 recovery words following the Electrum seed format. Please find instructions to convert your 24-word recovery seed to a 25-word Electrum recovery seed here.
15:05:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> He's been given all of the info hes asked 
15:06:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> He's the same person who asked you sech1:  this same question a month ago
15:06:38 <sech1> lol I know
15:06:56 <sech1> I think he's asking about first 24 words from Monero wallet , and if they will work with Ledger
15:07:00 <sech1> I think they won't work
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15:07:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> He spams GitHub as well
15:07:10 <sgp[m]> 🤔🤔🤔
15:07:18 <sech1> so the answer to his question is NO
15:07:21 <sgp[m]> well they are gone here and there at least
15:07:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> He was talking about siren and asking me where she lives etc too
15:07:30 <sech1> We need to prepare a copy-pasta answer
15:07:33 <sech1> for the next time
15:07:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> He likes feet
18:45:22 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Fck that user is back??????
22:27:46 <martin03[m]> how does local monero seller don't get caught? 
22:27:46 <martin03[m]> like cash by mail is very illegal , how local monero have this option
22:29:43 <Lyza> cash by mail is illegal where?
22:55:59 <martin03[m]> <Lyza> "cash by mail is illegal where?" <- i think unregistered one is illegal 
22:55:59 <martin03[m]> you need something like moneygram or finacial services that let you send cash via mail 
22:55:59 <martin03[m]>  local monero seller just send via usps or sometimes no tracking 
22:56:51 <nioc> sending via usps is fine
22:57:45 <sech1> in Sweden, you can send up to 10k SEK (~1k Euro) via post if you declare the value when sending
23:01:56 <nioc> using usps for illegal things is not
23:04:05 <nioc> using usps is usually safer than other courier services
23:07:38 <martin03[m]> <sech1> "in Sweden, you can send up to..." <- do they need to know the receiver name or only address is fine? 
23:07:55 <sech1> Definitely
23:08:01 <sech1> receiver shows ID to receive it
23:13:03 <martin03[m]> ok it seems authorized , so it's perfectly legal 
23:13:42 <martin03[m]> i guess it's almost impossible to get monero anonymously 
23:13:42 <martin03[m]> but it doesn't matter since monero are private anyways