00:00:03 <Stnby[m]> he already spent in on new socks probably
00:00:22 <Stnby[m]> The shit he does with them is cruel
00:00:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not sure the payment was sent (?)
00:00:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> I still have my socks
00:00:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think on like 4 socks, or something like that 
00:00:48 <Siren[m]> hey ofrnxmr, you sockpuppet
00:00:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Put your hand in me baby
00:01:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oooooooooo
00:04:30 <plowsof11> updating the proposal a day or 2 before the proposal means not many have read the changes and have to make a decision in 5-10 minutes 
00:04:56 <plowsof11> meeting*
00:05:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Again, just YOLO/bullshit your milestones 
00:06:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Write whatever you want, then come and demand to change them later 
00:07:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah? I said I was going to deliver w x y and z?? Too bad. You're getting w and half of y and z. Pay me
00:07:38 <sgp[m]> If only there was an actual signed contract for these so you could legally say "go away" 🤔
00:07:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> X? That optional, because I say so
00:08:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont care if its a legal binding contract.
00:08:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> As far as im concerned, if im working on the honor system and youre fucking around, goodbye
00:09:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Whats the worse hes going to do? Go to jail for breaking real laws? 
00:09:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/worse/worst/
00:14:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> * "X? That, * say so"
00:19:29 <Siren[m]> <sgp[m]> "If only there was an actual..." <- Mj is threatening to sue people involved with ccs, do his threats extend to magic? I noticed you supported paying him
00:38:51 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Handshake agreement
00:39:04 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Via key signing
00:48:48 <RavFX[m]> I did not follow what append with mj.
00:48:48 <RavFX[m]> I know about the solar thing, with is a cool idea but in same time, as a totally offgrid person, could not find a use of it as you can just have a serial link that monitor batteries...
00:48:48 <RavFX[m]> If state_of_charge > 60 && time < 11am then run_xmrig_everywhere
00:49:05 <RavFX[m]> s/If state_of_charge > 60 && time < 11am then run_xmrig_everywhere/If state\_of\_charge > 60% && time \< 11am then run\_xmrig\_everywhere/
00:49:16 <RavFX[m]> s/If state_of_charge > 60 && time < 11am then run_xmrig_everywhere/If state\_of\_charge > 60% && sun == online && time < 11am then run\_xmrig\_everywhere/
00:56:02 <RavFX[m]> I have another cron that do the opposite.
00:56:03 <RavFX[m]> If mining and sone gone, it eventually kill all xmrig when battery hit 60% (usually append between 11pm-midnight
00:56:09 <RavFX[m]> s/sone/sun/
00:56:39 <Siren[m]> that solar thing is useless if there really were blackouts. it fully depends on external apis and goes as far to wget simple svgs that could have been embedded into the code. https://github.com/mj-xmr/SolOptXMR/blob/master/src/weather_lib.py#L109
02:39:10 <fr33_yourself[m]> wen desnake get funded by CCS lol
02:40:11 <fr33_yourself[m]> desnake issue alphabay stock to monero core to invest general fund in a profitable business haha
06:06:53 <martin03[m]> is pirating ok if the business is scummy?
06:15:19 <Siren[m]> Pirating is always ok
06:15:59 <martin03[m]> Siren[m]: even to an innocent? 
06:16:37 <martin03[m]> nah pirating Indie studios are very messed up 
06:16:48 <Siren[m]> It's not theft
06:18:23 <martin03[m]> Siren[m]: like they don't get money , i stole their profits 
06:21:41 <Siren[m]> After pirating if I like something I will most likely buy the real thing
06:25:14 <martin03[m]> Siren[m]: ok this is totally fine 
06:25:51 <monerobull[m]1> AdBlock is piracy but nobody cares about ethics there
06:38:58 <martin03[m]> <monerobull[m]1> "AdBlock is piracy but nobody..." <- im ok with pirating unethical business practices 
06:39:38 <martin03[m]> 99% of ads contains analytics and harms my privacy 
07:15:11 -xmr-pr- [css-proposals] rosewattson opened issue #60: How to change your twitter username on mobile?
07:15:11 -xmr-pr- > https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/issues/60
07:33:39 <martin03[m]> Hi best way to sell xmr to bank account without any kyc? 
07:36:09 <plowsof11> a peer2peer sale , like on localmonero.co (but fiat isn't crypto, beware of chargebacks)
07:36:25 <plowsof11> (unless using cash by mail)
07:36:29 <CidadodoMonerist> <monerobull[m]1> "AdBlock is piracy but nobody..." <- Piracy is not wrong i will not elaborate
07:37:27 <CidadodoMonerist> Jesus multiplied the bread and I multiply the bytes
07:37:58 <monerobull[m]1> CidadodoMonerist: Agreed 
07:38:42 <monerobull[m]1> Small Game Dev privacy is morally debatable if you don't plan on ever buying the game / supporting the devs otherwise 
07:39:43 <monerobull[m]1> I mainly don't do it because pirated games don't have their hours counted on my steam profile and could also have viruses 
07:40:09 <martin03[m]> plowsof11: like cash deposit to bank , i guess that's work 
07:40:42 <monerobull[m]1> monerobull[m]1: I did pirate all of the nagatoro manga & anime but i bought the physical mangas later
07:43:16 <martin03[m]> piracy on scummy business is a must 
07:44:55 <martin03[m]> <CidadodoMonerist> "Jesus multiplied the bread and I..." <- there something called copyright , it's not a theft but copyright infringement 
10:55:07 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/zsl05d/synchronization_problem_with_an_external_ssd/
11:50:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> So how bout them conference calls 
11:52:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org: had fun talking with you, sgp, and vtnerd after hrs 🔥
11:52:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> I had*
11:53:49 <monerobull[m]1> You guys talked for so long, i got a victory royal in Fortnite while listening to you 😂
11:54:16 <monerobull[m]1> Was really fun, agreed. Thanks Justin for reviving monero meets
11:56:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://pool.aterx.com
11:56:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is the pool that I spoke of, that mines on p2pool mini
11:57:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> 0% pool fee
11:59:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://github.com/gavinbarnard/p2pooler
12:00:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Modified xmrig-proxy to calculate pplns for miners
12:03:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://mini.p2pool.observer/miners
12:03:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> They are the second largest miner on p2pool mini
15:15:42 <Lovera[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "https://github.com/gavinbarnard..." <- So people just need to run only a modified Miner (XMRig) they all connect to one instance p2pool node? 
15:16:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Modified Xmrig-proxy (p2pooler) to be run by the to-be pool admin
15:17:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Other miners connect as usual to p2pooler
15:26:14 <Lovera[m]> Ok, but people are mining for the admin pool.. right? Why not just run GUPAX? 🤣
15:26:14 <Lovera[m]> P2pool + xmrig 
15:26:14 <Lovera[m]> What is the exactly advantage of this? 
15:35:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lower consolidation fees
15:37:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> 0.0002xmr payout with a 0.00004 tx fee, is quite the fee
15:37:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also it lowers blockchain weight 
15:40:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> ... I havent done the math on the weight, but in theory it should as it doesnt require each user to consolidate many small outputs.
15:40:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> 0.04 xmr block reward for aterx
15:40:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> If users dont take payouts until 0.04xmr, it doesnt multiply the number of create outputs 
15:40:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> So yeah. If users agent taking payout immediately, blockchain growth is slowed by pool mining on top of p2pool
15:41:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Btw. Just using unmodified xmrig-proxy works fine as well, but you to find a way to calculate the payments for each miner.
15:41:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you own all of the miners, you can just use xmrig-proxy
15:49:06 <Lovera[m]> Well I don’t see problems there to be honest, I mean, How large your payment is will be determined by the amount of shares you have in the PPLNS window. 
15:49:06 <Lovera[m]> The real decentralization is p2pool + xmrig… I’m curious what are the throughs of this sech1 
15:49:06 <Lovera[m]> I recently saw a user promoting a “decentralized Monero Pool”... he told everyone that they mined in p2pool with all its benefits, but how real is this? If you don’t run your p2pool node then it’s someone else’s hahsrate and not your
15:49:06 <Lovera[m]> In addition, the boy apparently calculates payments manually…. This can lead to many scams.
15:50:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> P2pooler doesnt calculate manually 
15:50:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Xmrig-proxy requires you to calculate manually
15:51:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> .00004 fee on a 0.0002 output is 20%
15:53:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> P2pool is good, but what happens if your share is less than the tx fee? It burns xmr / makes it unspendable 
15:53:37 <sech1> the real fee is < 5% if you combine many outputs
15:53:43 <sech1> how stupid are people
15:54:03 <sech1> instead of spawning another p2pool chain with bigger minimum payout, they create just another regular pool
15:54:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> :p I only have 1 share tho sech :( jk
15:54:30 <sech1> 1 in/2 out transaction fee is 0.00003
15:54:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah, seems to be whats going on. But isnt it the same thing said for the top miner on the pool
15:54:33 <sech1> not 4
15:55:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> 3064, yep
15:57:22 <sech1> it's 10-12% of the minimal payout, if you spend it directly on something
15:57:34 <sech1> but you usually combine many outputs and then the fee is < 5%
15:59:28 <Lovera[m]> Have many outputs it’s good 😎
16:00:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Still heavy though (?)
16:00:55 <sech1> if people really wanted 0.003 min payout on p2pool, they could just spawn another p2pool with 0.6/0.003 = 200 PPLNS window size
16:01:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> ~194 outputs = 100kb, no?
16:02:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> How difficult it that? Just a matter of changing the config file? 
16:05:40 <sech1> yes
16:06:36 <sech1> ./p2pool --config your_config
16:06:39 <sech1> https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/blob/master/config.json
16:52:28 <mazda5600[m]> Guys , just asking for information do any of u guys sell MONERO.  ??
16:53:44 <fr33_yourself[m]> https://localmonero.co/buy-monero-with-usd-in-united-states-of-america?rc=0rb0
16:53:54 <fr33_yourself[m]> Check out Local Monero
16:54:14 <fr33_yourself[m]> best place to buy Monero is Local Monero
17:01:08 <martin03[m]> <mazda5600[m]> "Guys , just asking for informati..." <- yes
17:02:56 <chesterfield[m]> https://nitter.at/_reneaaron/status/1606026340523659264
17:02:57 <chesterfield[m]> ceetee🇧🇪: 
17:03:14 <martin03[m]> i wonder 
17:03:25 <martin03[m]> how do i made a vending machine that accept monero
17:03:35 <martin03[m]> i never seen someone made it
17:06:55 <martin03[m]> chesterfield[m]: lightning network is awesome , private & instant payments on bitcoin 😁
17:07:08 <ceetee[m]> that's sick, love it
17:10:18 <nioc> lightening more private than btc?  maybe  
17:10:23 <nioc> private?  not really
17:10:38 <nioc> the more it gets used the less private it is
17:11:46 <martin03[m]> nioc: its anonymous & private 
17:11:53 <martin03[m]> nioc: how?
17:12:02 <chesterfield[m]> Would be great to see someone build this for xmr.
17:12:14 <chesterfield[m]> Are they using custom hardware
17:14:00 <plowsof11> chainalysis announced support for the LN 1 year ago, now sure how effective it is though 
17:14:07 <plowsof11> s/now/not
17:15:47 <nioc> there was recently a paper showing how the more lightening is used the less private it is
17:15:51 <ceetee[m]> nope, its all off the shelf hardware. Raspberry PI4, 3" HDMI screen, and the mashine is controlled over pin headers, likely uart
17:15:53 <nioc> looking for link
17:16:25 <ceetee[m]> you'd need to have a good base machine to modify if you want to build something similiar
17:16:34 <chesterfield[m]> Looks like vending machines use something called mdb protocol
17:17:09 <chesterfield[m]> Wonder if there is a cheap tabletop machine on Ali express that uses the same protocol as the big ones
17:18:12 <nioc> seems that I didn't save the paper
17:18:12 <ceetee[m]> Oh yeah, he even mentioned mdb. I'm still half asleep, lol. I can research a not tonight and see if I can find something
17:18:24 <ceetee[m]> Any specific requirements chesterfield?
17:19:12 <ceetee[m]> or just as cheap as possible
17:19:30 <chesterfield[m]> Exactly that, but should also be compatible with the big ones
17:20:07 <chesterfield[m]> It looks like someone made a commercially available mdb hat for raspberry pi at one point
17:20:14 <chesterfield[m]> Not sure that’s necessary though
17:20:36 <ceetee[m]> i' ll look into that as well
17:21:50 <chesterfield[m]> Being able to use an rpi or small linux comp would be pretty important
17:30:41 <chesterfield[m]> If that example above uses btcpayserver it can probably be modified to accept xmr though 😳
18:47:57 <aiophwageoj> Hi all;
18:48:42 <aiophwageoj> I was just thinking a bunch: first of all *NEVER DO YOUR OWN SECURITY* and these are just ideas but would love if I could have someone helping me think. 
18:49:50 <aiophwageoj> I figured, all the software that one might use to generate a cold offline paper wallet might be written in a malicious manner that ditches out a specific form of phrase for the wallet, so an attacker (the malicious author of the tool) can steal ones funds
18:50:47 <aiophwageoj> the big argument against this is open-source, which indeed is true, but it is not 100%. I looked at the code that is used in the guide in the getmonero.org's paper wallet tutorial and it is terribly bloated (1000s of lines that don't contribute to generating the seeds).
18:52:41 <sech1> If you don't trust any software, throw a dice enough times to generate your private spend key
18:52:43 <aiophwageoj> What if we made a system to do the *entire* seed generation on paper. A decision tree that one can parse through with a simple 6 sided dice and generates a seed from that: very possible it seems. But, then we have the last word being a checksum (am I correct). I also wonder if it is (realistically) possible to go to the viewkey from the seed words?
18:53:00 <aiophwageoj> is there any existing protocol for that, which you know of @sech1?
18:53:03 <sech1> just what I said
18:53:12 <sech1> no, just throw a dice and do some math
18:53:38 <sech1> it will require ~100 throws to get 256 bits of entropy
18:53:45 <sech1> or you can throw 2 dices 50 times
18:53:53 <aiophwageoj> i see, how does that calculation work? 
18:54:06 <aiophwageoj> eg, how do you find how much entropy a dice roll generates
18:54:24 <sech1> write down the results of each throw as a base-6 number, convert it to hex and feed into monero-wallet-cli
18:54:45 <sech1> a dice roll generates log2(6) bits of entropy
18:55:00 <sech1> 6^100 > 2^256, so 100 rolls will be enough
18:55:02 <aiophwageoj> i see that makes a lot of sense
18:55:30 <aiophwageoj> and do you happen to know how the checksum works? is it just the last word of the seed?
18:55:53 <sech1> checksum of 25 word seed?
18:55:58 <sech1> it's just one of the words repeated
18:56:15 <aiophwageoj> oh i see
18:56:26 <sech1> there's no checksum when you enter the raw 256-bit spend key
18:56:40 <aiophwageoj> ah alright
18:56:44 <aiophwageoj> thank you, this is really cool, super exciting stuff, thanks for the help
18:56:55 <aiophwageoj> im reading zero to monero atm, love it :D
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19:35:52 <Torr> Morpheus[m]: nice
19:41:35 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Never had an issue
19:41:37 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Both through clear net and tor
20:06:46 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://www.reddit.com/r/cakewallet/comments/zti0oe/updates_cake_wallet_455_and_monerocom_124_cake/