00:11:16 <entry1[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "1fd2pye90pxjhv09.jpg" <- Bit confused, is it supposed to be 2,822 vs 49.63?
00:14:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yea
00:14:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Zcash went from "nobody uses it" to "spam"
00:14:58 <nioc> ofrnxmr[m]: the fee is ~200x normal low fee
00:15:17 <nioc> miners say ty
00:15:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> So does 20% dev fee 
00:15:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Says thank you, that is
00:16:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oh, do you mean for xmr?
00:16:31 <nioc> y
00:17:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> I hope fiatjaf or whatever is name is, dumps some money into high fee xmr spam 🐒
00:19:51 <monerobull[m]1> If he ever wants to get funding for anything again he, shouldn't misappropriate funds :P
00:23:57 <nioc> what can I get funded for?
00:24:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rayatina has some ideas 
00:25:02 <nioc> "please list your skills"
00:25:10 <nioc> A) ..............
00:25:14 <nioc> B)................
00:25:32 <nioc> C)________
00:25:58 <nioc> I think that is the complete list
00:26:17 <kinghat[m]> pretty good with a bow staff.
00:31:43 <plowsof11> meeting 7th or 14th January sirs. ill be here on the 7th, but the events team are holding one on the 14th (more people around if we do it on the same day) and we are then 'paired' with it again - please read this from top to bottom and offer your thoughts. a) meeting on 7th and 14th and then every other week as normal. b) meeting on 7th then every other week but falling out of sync with meetings. c) i thought this was about ledgers
00:31:43 <plowsof11> word count. again, please read from top to bottom 
00:33:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> (You have to copy and paste it now)
00:34:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> And then spam -dev
00:34:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Then try to find sgp's wifes asshole 
00:35:10 <plowsof11> yes and when answered , i will ask for the question to be re-read because i think my spam is influencing the answer 
00:35:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> B I think. Maybe a
00:36:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> We could do 7th, then a short follow up meeting on the 14th
00:37:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> 7th for "catchup", 14th a real meeting 
00:37:24 <plowsof11> sounds good 
00:38:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sir, are you sure? Is it correct?
00:38:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof: plowsof:
00:38:24 <plowsof11> i see "maybe" sir are you certain , i may ask again?
00:38:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Answer me please Sir.
00:38:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Do you understand my answer sir?
00:39:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> B I think. Maybe a
00:39:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> We could do 7th, then a short follow up meeting on the 14th
00:39:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> 7th for "catchup", 14th a real meeting 
00:39:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is this clear sir?
00:40:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> I love you plowsof, please no ban
00:40:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof: sir, is meeting on the 7th or 14th?
00:40:51 <plowsof11> ok i accept this answer, if the answer does not change every day from now until 14th january i accept as decision 
00:41:12 <plowsof11> 7th is meeting and also 14th 
00:41:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Do you understand my question? Please answer me sir
00:41:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> I not troll
00:41:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Please no ban. I love you
00:42:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof: sir, is meeting on the 7th or 14th?
01:10:28 <Siren[m]> Sir read carefully from top to bottom
01:11:14 <Siren[m]> 🇲🇳
01:12:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> sir, is meeting on the 7th or 14th?
01:12:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof: Siren: 
01:13:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> What time is meeting?  
01:13:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Please answer me
01:13:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> 😡
01:14:18 <Siren[m]> Give simple answer A or B
01:16:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Please read carefully... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/878ae5d2c1ae0418f3d6c7d573b886e794c9df41>)
01:16:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Please read carefully... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/878ae5d2c1ae0418f3d6c7d573b886e794c9df41>)
01:16:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> 😡
01:17:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> (Im learning) 
02:00:27 <DanIsnotthemanBr> not fckn again
02:27:15 <RavFX[m]> Why so much people shill nano on nostr?
02:27:15 <RavFX[m]> What that thing have special beside being proof of scam?
02:35:07 <selsta> i forgot nano even existed
02:50:42 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Maybe all the vim users are still stuck
09:50:46 <snail[m]> Howdy, Getting some issues with Monero Wallet GUI on arch.
09:50:46 <snail[m]> "Could not connect to the device Trezor"
09:50:51 <snail[m]> Just moved from Windows --> Arch linux.
09:54:37 <snail[m]> Fixed, was a uDev rule.
09:57:27 <plowsof11> snail if you notice weird graphical issues / drop down box issues its a known bug (also thank you for not making me install arch to test things)
10:05:11 <snail[m]> ok
11:32:25 <fr33_yourself[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Not true. Zcash _wallets_ cant keep up with scanning the blockchain if there is heavy z address usage.
11:32:25 <fr33_yourself[m]> > 
11:32:25 <fr33_yourself[m]> > Monero wallets dont have such problem
11:32:25 <fr33_yourself[m]> Don't you think a determined adversary could spend meaningless tx's on Monero's chain causing some irrevocable chain size expansion? I'm not complaining. I don't want a fee model like Bitcoin and I know you guys + Articmine have been following the Zcash situation closely. Plus anyone who attempts to rapid fire spend tx's on Monero is just burning money. Plus 10 block lock helps deter this to some extent too which is nice
11:33:44 <fr33_yourself[m]> <nioc> "there is some entity that uses..." <- any idea as to who this may be?
18:38:37 <plowsof11> maybe the same person who is using a custom monero wallet that does not use decoys > 1 year old / constructs ~100kb transactions / does not use coinbase tx's (as reported by sech1 in the recent MRL meeting https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/773 )
18:39:37 <plowsof11> escapethe3ra
18:57:53 <plowsof11> monero dot org (the scam website) leads to a bad gateway / appears to be offline (hopefully for good)
20:40:34 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Sus website ;)
22:34:41 <ArticMine> <fr33_yourself[m]> Don't you think a determined adversary could spend meaningless tx's on Monero's chain causing some irrevocable chain size expansion? I'm not complaining ... <--- On a privacy protecting network this ultimately comes down to pricing out spam while keeping the cost of ham low
22:37:47 <fr33_yourself[m]> ArticMine: I gotcha. Once again I'm not complaining at all. From my understanding our security against this sort of attack falls somewhere between bitcoin and zcash. 
22:37:57 <ArticMine> Monero already doing a good job here, this being said in my view there is still room to make the cost of spam even more expensive while keeping the cost of ham low
22:38:19 <ArticMine> It is actually better than Bitcoin
22:38:37 <fr33_yourself[m]> How so?
22:39:42 <ArticMine> our un - priced block size of 300000 bytes per 2 min is less than Bitcoin 2 MB over 10 min and our tx size is ~6x
22:39:54 <fr33_yourself[m]> Also ArticMine you are the scalability guy, so what do you think about Monero's blockchain 10 to 20 years from now? Do you think chain size and bandwidth will problems? Right now things work well because Monero is kind of a niche privacy /  libertarian chain, but I was trying to think through how things will look quite a ways into the future
22:40:41 <ArticMine> Also Bitcoin to my knowledge still does not have a min node relay fee
22:41:39 <fr33_yourself[m]> ArticMine: I think I see what you are saying
22:44:14 <ArticMine> In 10 - 20 years I am not concerned because of compounding effect of Nielsen's Law of Internet Bandwidth https://www.nngroup.com/articles/law-of-bandwidth/
22:45:00 <ArticMine> What does concern me is how to manage a major disruption on a large card network such as VISA
22:45:45 <ArticMine> We have to allow for growth but only to a point
22:46:59 <ArticMine> This is what I am working on apart from in creasing the cost of spam
22:47:18 <fr33_yourself[m]> I see
22:48:04 <ArticMine> I am looking at a third median that tracks the historical Nielsen's La
22:48:14 <ArticMine> Law
22:50:03 <ArticMine> I expect to be speaking on this this spring / summer
22:51:17 <fr33_yourself[m]> Your past presentations on Monero's scalability were very informative. Thank you for what you do! the comparisons to punch cards was good
22:53:09 <ArticMine> Thanks. I have actually programmed with ounch cards when I was younger Just turned 65
22:53:32 <fr33_yourself[m]> Happy belated bday
22:53:41 <ArticMine> in was lar August
22:53:44 <ArticMine> last
22:56:01 <ArticMine> What really fascinates me about the scaling debate in Bitcoin is how far the goalposts move while the debate just continues on as if nothing has happened
22:56:59 <ArticMine> The debate started in 2010 12 years ago. So it is now 1.5^12 in bandwidth
22:57:16 <fr33_yourself[m]> What do you mean by that exactly?
22:57:31 <fr33_yourself[m]> My primary concern is chain size more so than bandwidth.
22:58:04 <fr33_yourself[m]> I'm a hardcore anarchist, so I was trying to imagine if Monero would work on a large scale as a currency
22:58:44 <ArticMine> 1 MB in 2010 when it was introduced in Bitcoin is like 130 MB today, 
22:59:33 <fr33_yourself[m]> in storage or bandwidth or both?
22:59:45 <ArticMine> ... and Bitcoin Cash is a "big blocker" coin with its 32 MB limit
23:00:18 <ArticMine> The big issue is bandwidth. Storage on can throw money at it
23:01:05 <ArticMine> Increase the adoption of Monero by say 1000x What do you thinlk will happen to price?
23:01:36 <ArticMine> think
23:03:24 <ArticMine> Any node operator that has a market exposure to Monero today will not have a problem. That is may take
23:04:25 <fr33_yourself[m]> <ArticMine> "1 MB in 2010 when it was..." <- What do you think a positive next 20 years for Monero would look like in terms of adoption, chain size, number of daily transactions, hardware improvements and resistance to government shut down? Also what do you think is the biggest threat to Monero? A guy earlier said he thinks splinternet is the biggest risk.
23:05:03 <fr33_yourself[m]> I guess you answered the above already sorry my internet was lagging
23:06:08 <fr33_yourself[m]> <ArticMine> "Increase the adoption of..." <- This is a good point. I guess we will get to find out. What is the largest threat to Monero in your opinion?
23:06:57 <ArticMine> Bandwidth is another matter entirely. To find the worst Internet here is the greater Vancouver area I actually picked the most expensive house for sale in one of the most expensive neighborhoods
23:07:44 <fr33_yourself[m]> ArticMine: lol 
23:13:21 <ArticMine> <fr33_yourself[m]> ...  What is the largest threat to Monero in your opinion? <--- It depends where. Fragmenting the Internet is an issue already in some countries. Blockchain Surveillance (BS) is slowing down adoption. I see BS as a short term rather than long term threat because it does not work. It wont stop Monero but it is slowing it down now
23:14:02 <ArticMine> BS does not work in BTC and even less in ETH
23:15:14 <fr33_yourself[m]> How is blockchain surveillance slowing down adoption of Monero?
23:15:37 <fr33_yourself[m]> and yeah it seems like a splinternet outcome would be a worst case scenario
23:15:51 <ArticMine> By frustrating fiat on / off ramps to Monero
23:16:20 <fr33_yourself[m]> Ah yes perhaps
23:16:29 <fr33_yourself[m]> I think that is long term healthy though
23:17:28 <ArticMine> The success of Monero will put the BS companies out of business so the lobby governments to keep Monero out of exchanges. I agree that this is not a long term threat
23:17:41 <ArticMine> they
23:19:30 <fr33_yourself[m]> Yep it will be interesting to see how it all plays out. Do you also like precious metals? Do you think that by holding an equivalent amount of Monero and gold or silver you are hedged to some extent by the weaknesses of the other?
23:19:32 <ArticMine> There is also the real risk of FUD from the Bitcoin community (in all of its variants ) on scaling. This can induce the self crippling of Monero from within
23:20:49 <fr33_yourself[m]> That has been the most worrying part for me. Not because the Bitcoiners said it, but I asked myself how much the blockchain would grow if each living person did one Monero tx per year ( just a hypotethical world), the blockchain would grow by 14 TB that year
23:21:14 <fr33_yourself[m]> I don't think Monero people will cripple and hang up the hat though. Most people here hate bitcoin lol
23:26:13 <ArticMine> <fr33_yourself[m]>  ... the blockchain would grow by 14 TB that year. Yes but what would be XMR / USD with that kind of adoption? My take is that buying the requisite number of SSDs and setting up RAID arrays would not be an issue for most nodes. They would have to stay away from a few neighborhoods to get decent Internet
23:28:06 <fr33_yourself[m]> ArticMine: Is a RAID array like a series of connected HDDs? Is it possible / relatively easy to store Monero's blockchain on two seperate drives? like half on one drive and half on another?
23:30:58 <ArticMine> I built one for Bitcoin 12 TB usable RAID 6 using 6 3TB HDDs for Bitcoin just under 10 years ago. Even bought the raind contrller from Roger Vers Bitcoin store in early 2013
23:31:14 <ArticMine> RAID controller
23:31:45 <ArticMine> It is a lot easier to do this today witn SSDs, For starters they weight less
23:31:48 <fr33_yourself[m]> Dang you were prepping hard for your node haha
23:32:18 <fr33_yourself[m]> I wouldn't think Bitcoin would ever need that given the blocksize cap, but perhaps you set all that up prior to the blocksize cap
23:32:28 <ArticMine> It was crippled
23:35:22 <fr33_yourself[m]> ArticMine: So even if you have 2 x 2 TB SSD's and Monero's chain grows to 3 TB, then it's possible to connect the drives so that the node functions smoothly even though the chain is split between the drives?
23:36:22 <ArticMine> With SSDs I could use 12 x 8 TB today in the same case
23:36:51 <ArticMine> Would need a new RAID controller and motherboard / CPU
23:37:41 <fr33_yourself[m]> Right now there are about 11,200 Monero nodes worldwide. How many of these operators do you think are sufficiently tech savvy to also do what you are doing?
23:38:02 <fr33_yourself[m]> Or to set up an array as you have described
23:38:15 <ArticMine> On can buy an off the shelf RAID array for a price
23:38:58 <ArticMine> There are even in a PCIe 16 card form factor
23:39:28 <fr33_yourself[m]> Gotcha, so price isn't a big issue, but what about being tech savvy
23:40:26 <ArticMine> https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDACL8M264M/
23:40:40 <ArticMine> 64TB
23:43:03 <DanIsnotthemanBr> cheap
23:45:51 <fr33_yourself[m]> <ArticMine> "https://eshop.macsales.com/item..." <- This is the drive itself or simply the array that you put the drives in? Does this piece of equipment come with 64TB or need drives to plug into it?
23:46:48 <fr33_yourself[m]> If that's 64TB SSD right there in that one piece of equipment that is impressive. I'm surprised you were able to find this thing for that price. I saw some that were much more expensive on other sites
23:47:45 <ArticMine> Yes it is. Uses a video card form factor
23:48:32 <fr33_yourself[m]> Dang that's impressive.
23:48:43 <fr33_yourself[m]> I'll save that link in case the day comes where I need it haha
23:49:04 <ArticMine> My nerdy idea of using 12 x 8 TB SSDs RAID will produce about 100 TB for the same price
23:50:20 <ArticMine> fr33_yourself[m]> I'll save that link in case the day comes where I need it haha <--- I am not, since the goalposts keep moving
23:50:33 <fr33_yourself[m]> I don't think I have the tech nohow to do produce a RAID array though haha... I'm glad that you guys who are sculpting Monero are so intelligent though. 
23:51:01 <fr33_yourself[m]> ArticMine: You mean that you think even better drives will come onto the market for cheaper in the next 5 years?
23:51:54 <ArticMine> I would be very surprised if something better was not available in 1 year
23:53:03 <fr33_yourself[m]> I hope seo
23:54:16 <ArticMine> I still have the 286 a friend of mine gave me over 20 years ago. It has a 10 MB HDD. Those drives when they came out were ~3600 USD in the USD of ~1984 Just do the math on the inflation of the USD since then
23:55:44 <fr33_yourself[m]> Yeah that is crazy tech deflation and increase in efficiency right there
23:58:43 <ArticMine> This is why I am so concerned regarding hard limits such as in BTC / BCH and yes even BSV