06:55:01 <scoallu[m]> Hello, the left panel of my gui wallet shows "Daemon is synchronized" but the bar above that is still at 'Waiting for daemon to sync". Network status is "Connected".
06:55:43 <scoallu[m]> My balance is not shown correctly, possibly because the upper bar is still at zero.
07:04:37 <plowsof11> is the top bar making progress? (thats your wallet syncing - which must complete before a balance is shown)
07:05:09 <scoallu[m]> the top bar is at zero. but the lower bar is full.
07:05:27 <plowsof11> settings -> info -> wallet mode
07:05:31 <plowsof11> version
07:06:26 <scoallu[m]> Advanced mode
07:06:43 <scoallu[m]> GUI version: 0.16.0.3 3c69023
07:06:48 <plowsof11> sigh
07:06:58 <scoallu[m]> (Qt 5.9.7)
07:07:42 <plowsof11> https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/ versions 0.17 and under stopped working a while ago
07:07:56 <scoallu[m]> holy...
07:08:11 <plowsof11> get the latest version and dont ask in -dev 
07:08:16 <scoallu[m]> I have been getting tortured for this?!!!
07:08:53 <scoallu[m]> haha sorry :)
07:08:56 <plowsof11> yes, sadly 
07:09:51 <plowsof11> youve set a new record at least, 0.16 is impressive in 2023 
07:10:24 <scoallu[m]> not quite. we are not in 2023 yet.
07:10:37 <scoallu[m]> unless you live in Mars
07:10:46 <plowsof11> doxxd myself .. F
07:11:21 <plowsof11> everything should be ok after updating (you should have some syncing to do)
07:12:28 <scoallu[m]> at it now, hopefully :)
07:26:04 <scoallu[m]> works now, thank you! :)
08:24:35 <hardenedsteel[m]> <Rucknium[m]> "hardenedsteel: You're on the..." <- i was there before Monero analyzer exist.
08:28:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why are they thanking you? 🧀
08:33:17 <hardenedsteel[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: they should plotting against me
08:35:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> My ass, says you supplied info 
08:35:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not mad, but why play dumb 🤔
08:37:33 * ofrnxmr[m] uploaded an image: (46KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/monero.social/RDsSEsSnPiiEHHJVpMdntWny/25uou9m2gf3k1xev.jpg >
08:37:59 <hardenedsteel[m]> if they say so
08:38:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> I smell a mouse
08:38:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Gnite
08:38:29 <plowsof11> \o
08:39:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Clearly dishonest liar
08:39:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Coincidentally you discover this website that you are thanked on. 🥲
08:39:37 <hardenedsteel[m]> unfortunately 
08:39:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just a coincidence that you stumbled upon it and it just so happened that they've been stalking you and giving you fake credit without your knowledge 
08:39:51 <plowsof11> they accept xmr donations at least 
08:40:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Of course. Hardensteel probably works there
08:40:34 <hardenedsteel[m]> why would you care Bitcoin?
08:40:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hm?
08:45:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Care to reword that in a way that makes sense?
09:18:16 <Siren[m]> Nothing he posted made sense anyway
09:18:40 <Siren[m]> Dude probably scrapes the web for txids or something then comes here calls it le advanced algorithm, gov dump etc etc
09:24:07 <sech1> the plot thickens
10:01:21 <hardenedsteel[m]> <Siren[m]> "Dude probably scrapes the web..." <- i just copy pasted their statement, i didn't call it's advanced algorithm or gov dump whatever.
10:02:49 <Siren[m]> You work there https://antinalysis.org/credits
10:02:56 <Siren[m]> Skids lmfao
10:03:17 <hardenedsteel[m]> i dont have relationship with them. 
10:03:40 <hardenedsteel[m]> whatever you call
10:06:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🫠 we believe you 
10:07:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> They just randomly put your name there
10:07:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> I wish they would have chosen me. I'd have more to say about it than "I dunno why"
10:10:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Do you plan to contact them to ask the context of your credit on their website? 
10:11:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or just here to shill your / your friends service without admitting you have some involvement 
10:11:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> I mean, while pretending to know nothing about the project except for the link you  stumbled upon  
10:12:14 <hardenedsteel[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: i wouldn't darknet market's service in here if they were my friend or whatever.
10:13:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Darknet market's service"
10:13:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hyh
10:13:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Huh*
10:13:48 <hardenedsteel[m]> * i wouldn't advertise darknet market's
10:13:54 <DanIsnotthemanBr> What is going on
10:14:33 <hardenedsteel[m]> if i had bad faith i would use different account.
10:14:44 <hardenedsteel[m]> and dont contribute Monero
10:15:05 <hardenedsteel[m]> I didn't understand what's your concern either
10:17:54 <Siren[m]> <hardenedsteel[m]> "i wouldn't darknet market's..." <- By service he meant antinalysis, not the darknet market behind it. We now know that you are here to advertise the darknet market.
10:37:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> <hardenedsteel[m]> "if i had bad faith i would use..." <- Nobody claimed bad faith
10:37:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just that youre not being honest 
15:15:11 -xmr-pr- [meta] rbrunner7 opened issue #774: Seraphis wallet workgroup meeting #7 - Monday, 2023-01-02, 18:00 UTC
15:15:11 -xmr-pr- > https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/774
15:29:13 <RavFX[m]> When people don't want a link made between there chat persona and project persona, they should definitively use a different alias :)
16:40:56 <plowsof11> hardenedsteel does make contributions to monero (e.g. -site), i'd never say they are a bad actor, its just the 'please disclose you're involvement' / don't be like "heyyy whats this all about? anyone seen this?" when you're on the credits list (same as advertising/shilling)
17:08:23 <hardenedsteel[m]> <plowsof11> "hardenedsteel does make contribu..." <- Yes I noticed they added Monero "analyzer" thing and didn't know this before.
17:09:10 <hardenedsteel[m]> i dont have involvement with Monero analyzer and i don't even know how it works (if it does)
17:23:33 <nioc> it gives a score  :)   
17:23:38 <nioc> so now we can be listed on more exchanges
17:43:45 <EchoLineman[m]> I'm really thinking monero is like the only crypto worth having....that's why I can't buy it on a normal exchange. 
17:49:18 <RavFX[m]> <EchoLineman[m]> "I'm really thinking monero is..." <- It it yeah.
17:52:38 <RavFX[m]> > <@overzealouspriest:matrix.org> I'm really thinking monero is like the only crypto worth having....that's why I can't buy it on a normal exchange.
17:52:38 <RavFX[m]>  * It is yeah.
21:10:49 <sgp[m]> Cake Pay Mobile 2022 transaction volume: 82% XMR, 16% BTC, 2% LTC: https://twitter.com/cakewallet/status/1608927321704263686
21:21:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> winrar
21:26:43 <RavFX[m]> 7-zip
21:30:11 -xmr-pr- [css-proposals] Boog900 opened pull request #370: Rust Monero Node
21:30:11 -xmr-pr- > https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/370
22:03:18 <fr33_yourself[m]> https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero
22:03:58 <fr33_yourself[m]> What is going on with hashvalut pro
22:04:07 <fr33_yourself[m]> We about to get 51% attacked?
22:06:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> A 51% attack aint as easy as simply controlling 51%
22:06:38 <chesterfield[m]> Load the 51% fud cannon.  Keep xrm under .01
22:06:54 <chesterfield[m]> Chesterfield needs cheapies
22:07:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ha. At the cost of that hastate, leggo moon time
22:07:23 <chesterfield[m]> I’m writing a coin desk article on this as we speak
22:07:24 <chesterfield[m]> Monero is broken
22:07:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im calling my buddy hardenedsteel: 
22:08:50 <hardenedsteel[m]> keep your jokes to yourself
22:08:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sooner or later, mass adoption will come and our entire network hash right now will be less than 10% of post adoption 
22:09:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not joking, cheese teeth
22:09:04 <fr33_yourself[m]> why the sudden spike
22:09:44 <xenu[m]> It's ......over
22:11:38 <chesterfield[m]> fr33_yourself: botnet activity possibly. Very common for a Friday before new years weekend
22:11:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> A 200mh "solo" miner
22:13:11 <fr33_yourself[m]> so botnet?
22:13:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Solo went from 23-350mh over this week
22:14:11 <nioc> sorry, was Cat on keyboard 
22:17:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> <xmr-pr> "> https://repo.getmonero.org/..." <- No
22:17:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dev seraphis rust node and we have an idea
22:18:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> My 2c plowsof: 
22:21:55 <sgp[m]> do we know who this person is
22:22:24 <sgp[m]> 39 weeks is a very long CCS
22:23:26 <plowsof11> Ive not had a good enough look.. h4sh3d has commented on one one or more of his PR's 
22:24:20 <plowsof11> Improve monero-core instead of a fork maybe. 1 person to do it all though?
22:24:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero-core > seraphis daemon needs an implementation 
22:25:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> This idea should also probably be pitched in -dev or -loungr
22:31:10 <hardenedsteel[m]> I would rather develop with a separate team, relying on the Monero project and CCS can be problematic.
22:37:29 <plowsof11> We would need a huge pro-rust push from dev and community. Every Time the topic is brought up in dev it doesnt end well
22:51:37 <plowsof11> hardenedsteel problematic in what way?
22:51:43 <nioc> is 39 weeks more than 3 months?
22:57:18 <hardenedsteel[m]> <plowsof11> "hardenedsteel problematic in..." <- how it will be maintained after CCS is done? Another CCS or voluntarily? Also, while there is an opportunity, independent team from core would be great for Monero so we can avoid central failures.
23:06:10 <plowsof11> the last time the ccs funded a fork of something - this is what happens https://github.com/xmrsale/xmrSale (notice its 144 ~ commits behind master branch) and abandon ware / not finished 
23:12:12 <nioc> can you compare a payment processor to a rust implementation of monerod?
23:12:40 <plowsof11> of course not , im just trying to change the subject towards my personal agenda 
23:13:10 <plowsof11> semi-related though, regarding maintenance 
23:13:39 <hardenedsteel[m]> nioc: isnt rust implementation of monerod would be worse?
23:13:55 <plowsof11> instead of 30 xmr in purgatory https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/xmrsale-2021.html
23:13:55 <boog900[m]> Hi I'm boog from the proposal, thanks for your feedback, I just wanted to say that a lot of work has already been done integrating bits of the monero code base in rust so I will not be starting from scratch.  
23:13:55 <boog900[m]> I have spent the last couple months studying and building out bits of monero in rust like the database which is on my GitHub, network types and epee encoding which I will be releasing soon. I have also implemented verification of post Rct amounts (boro-sigs and bulletproof(+)) which I might release to show but I only implemented them to help me understand them better not to actually get used
23:14:09 <plowsof11> we could be risking hundreads more 
23:14:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> kayabanerve @kayabanerve:matrix.org: 
23:16:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> boog900:  seraphis?
23:16:19 <nioc> when seraphis in rust?
23:16:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Next ccs
23:16:43 <plowsof11> what is seraphis 
23:16:43 <boog900[m]> I'm not going to lie maintenance is a problem, I don't know what is going to happen in 12+ months so I cannot promise to keep maintaining but that would be my goal
23:16:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> 16 words
23:17:09 <DanIsnotthemanBr> plowsof11: Cbdc
23:17:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oh wait, thats polyseed
23:17:31 <kinghat[m]> simple: CSS to learn all the devs in rust
23:17:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Very simple
23:17:57 <nioc> kinghat[m]: great, all I know is AlgolW
23:18:57 <kinghat[m]> whatever that is
23:21:15 <nioc> tari has rust devs
23:22:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tari Ferrari 
23:22:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why boog ridge Seraphis q 2 times 
23:22:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dodge*
23:23:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> boog900:  try #3: Seraphis?
23:23:36 <nioc> what do we do for the 2-4 years before seraphis is ready?
23:23:53 <plowsof11> develop monero core
23:23:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Time shorter if someone other than koe works on it
23:24:33 <nioc> koe is basically finished and people are starting to work on it
23:24:41 <plowsof11> we are mere humans here boog900 this is a -dev heavy proposal/future plan 
23:24:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its more like 1 year with manpower, like 2 years as is, longer if we lose anyone 
23:24:55 <nioc> more people to work on seraphis would be great
23:25:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^
23:25:17 <nioc> 2 tears was best case scenario 
23:25:23 <nioc> also years
23:25:36 <plowsof11> koe is anti rust 
23:25:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not really though. Can be done sooner than that
23:26:00 <nioc> ofrnxmr[m]: start coding man
23:26:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> I told you Prague, didnt I? Have faith
23:26:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> My crystal balls tell all
23:26:30 <nioc> I said Prague b4 you  :D
23:26:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Maybe in public 😝
23:26:56 <nioc> also MB
23:27:21 <nioc> anyway.......
23:27:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Do me a fav and get those ticket sales enabled for ne
23:28:03 <nioc> S&S need to finish that
23:28:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> "wow, whoever created this CCS underestimated the work required by at least a factor of 10"
23:28:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sech comment on ccs in #monero:monero.social 
23:29:33 <nioc> but some work has been already done
23:29:38 <nioc> how much?
23:29:41 <nioc> .shrug
23:30:36 <DanIsnotthemanBr> The Fund saves money then
23:30:41 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Under quoting
23:31:05 <plowsof11> yes Dan, the glass is half full 
23:34:31 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Need longterm maintenance though
23:36:00 <nioc> no we don't
23:36:04 <kinghat[m]> their CSS isnt a rust replacement. its just another implementation.
23:36:07 <nioc> cause seraphis 
23:36:46 <plowsof11> we dont need a monerokon until seraphis is done 
23:37:18 <nioc> monerokon makes seraphis happen
23:38:19 <boog900[m]> <nioc> "how much?" <- Monero-rs has implemented consensus encoding of types stored on the block chain plus some other things like calculating hashes of blocks/ txs
23:38:19 <boog900[m]> Serai-monero has implemented bulletproofs(+) 
23:38:19 <boog900[m]> Mithril has implemented a lot of random-x 
23:38:19 <boog900[m]> I would say that's a large amount can't really put an amount on it though.
23:38:50 <nioc> all seraphis devs that are at monerokon will receive a bottle of Monero Barolo as a gift
23:43:01 <nioc> not a joke
23:43:25 <plowsof11> ok well that changes my opinion