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05:18:30 <RavFX[m]> I love these AI, they really understand us!
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05:20:07 <RavFX[m]> The fact that is actually know z-trash is ZEC is the best of all
05:20:37 <RavFX[m]> s/the best of all/great!/
06:03:06 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Tell it too run a node
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06:17:50 <DanIsnotthemanBr> What about cbdc this will tell us if its on our side
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06:19:31 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Fence sitter
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06:20:54 <RavFX[m]> Yeah, it does not want to provide recommendation lol
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06:24:17 <RavFX[m]> Theses things will eventually kill google
06:24:40 <RavFX[m]> If google don't have one in the making right now...
06:25:33 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Imagine it writing code
06:25:37 <DanIsnotthemanBr> End of world
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06:25:51 <RavFX[m]> yeah
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06:27:08 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Rust monero node
06:27:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Go
06:28:47 <RavFX[m]> I kind of lost it for that one
06:29:49 <RavFX[m]> most of the link that AI generate are garbage, it's like if it use it's AI power to generate the link out of thin air.
06:29:49 <RavFX[m]> they link to real websites but all 404, most of the time
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06:30:08 <RavFX[m]> like that one
06:31:03 <RavFX[m]> and it won't make long and complete code. mostly small snippet for functions
06:31:24 <RavFX[m]> I guess we wait a couple more year for a potable AGI
06:32:29 <DanIsnotthemanBr> What about “ does it think humans are a threat to themself and will it protect us”
06:32:42 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Testing if its skynet
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06:34:34 <DanIsnotthemanBr> “A few moments later” 🚀🚀🚀
06:34:48 <RavFX[m]> lol
06:34:59 <RavFX[m]> anyway, going to switch to runlevel 0 now!
06:36:47 <plowsof11> someone donated 100.2022 xmr to the general fund. based 
06:37:13 <plowsof11> of course nioc is "sleeping" 
06:38:08 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Vampire
06:39:41 <plowsof11> https://nitter.ir/WatchFund/status/1609015950283620352#m escapethe3ra 
06:40:17 <plowsof11> also a list of working 'nitters' https://github.com/xnaas/nitter-instances
06:47:40 <Mumuks> <RavFX[m]> "image.png" <- The AI said that AIs and humans can work together and then explained how AIs can help/benefit humans. Not a single word on how humans can help/benefit AIs...
08:04:48 <jozsef[m]> Even if sech is totally ignored at
08:04:48 <jozsef[m]>  https://matrix.to/#/!eBgZCVRnRRkKchiYzS:monero.social/$CGnK4MaF9J9ixKGN7H7Xgger6RDxkBdVDHi35VNYxuQ?via=matrix.org&via=libera.chat&via=monero.social
08:04:48 <jozsef[m]> > I'm not going to lie maintenance is a problem, I don't know what is going to happen in 12+ months so I cannot promise to keep maintaining but that would be my goal
08:04:48 <jozsef[m]> renders it DOA to me.
08:28:44 <plowsof11> thanks for the feedback jozsef! i've made sure to highlight sechs comments on the ccs https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/370#note_20250
08:30:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Plowsof youre eried
08:30:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Weird
08:31:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> We can all comment on the GitLab ourself, and as far as feedback from mrl and dev, so far its negative.
08:32:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> You dont need to reason the same questions that went unanswered 
08:33:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Re-ask*
08:33:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> We dont even need s meeting on it
08:33:45 <plowsof11> i don't find that weird. the conversation was happening in 2 rooms (and jozsef asked if those comments had been ignored)
08:33:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Drop the link in dev, if they dont agree to move forward with it, its DOA 
08:34:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Boog ignored all questions 
08:34:29 <plowsof11> "however, this proposal requires (mainly) feedback from -dev / -mrl first."
08:34:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Weird = stating the obvious 
08:35:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Boog knows that, and disappeared after convo with sech
08:35:41 <jozsef[m]> Of course, I have close-to-zero knowledge of the monerod code. I only have worked on some largeish C++ production codes before.
08:36:20 <plowsof11> sometimes the obvious has to be stated (if i wasn't able to state the obvious that would be bad too)
08:36:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> The clarification leads to nothing.
08:37:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> You're not clarifying a bidirectional convo
08:37:51 <plowsof11> here i am stating the obvious here https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/355#note_20212
08:38:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Again lol
08:38:22 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Boobs
08:38:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kill that hot trash
08:38:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Candy coating the obvious is more like it
08:39:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> "I can only budge to 58/hr"
08:39:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nice. Go elsewhere with that dead project
08:40:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Plowsof spends time doing useless math to explain to the world that a dead project is dead
08:43:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> > stepping stone while we wait for the farcaster protocol to make it usable for noobs / fix the main pain points. and progress has been too slow.
08:43:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Way to much candycoat
08:43:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> You mean, while we pay for a gui for NOBODY to use
08:43:18 <plowsof11> is it useless math to show that work has been decreased and rates have almost doubled?
08:43:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
08:43:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its been DOA since A
08:43:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> You cant kI'll dead horses
08:44:05 <monerobull[m]1> Nobody here is seriously in favor of funding more comit stuff right?
08:44:10 <jozsef[m]> I wasn't asking if sech had been ignored. I was phrasing my comment this way to mean in addition to his comments. In other words, imho, even if the rust-monerod work is done and successful as proposed, i.e., at a superhuman level, there is still an important question of what happens after. I think that could be as important (if not more important) than the work itself. That's all I wanted to point out.
08:44:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can always revive then though, which is what happens when you spend resources on dead shit
08:44:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Plowsof is in favor of wasting our time talking about KT for months to come 
08:45:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Wait for binarybaron before blah blah"
08:45:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Jezuz
08:46:04 <monerobull[m]1> On the rust node, kayaba can probably weigh in on that
08:46:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Pinged kaya, but no resp just yet
08:46:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> I figured he'd be the biggest updoot
08:47:06 <plowsof11> there is still a duty of care to the proposers (basic human decency) that i like to uphold - the idea might not be great but the person behind it has talents 
08:47:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> monerobull[m]1: Serious question
08:47:22 <monerobull[m]1> I'd mainly be worried about who is going to maintain the rust node
08:47:46 <plowsof11> e.g. monero-bash - if there was no duty of care there would be no gupax 
08:49:21 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Plowsof =css co-ordinator right?
08:49:29 <plowsof11> yes
08:49:39 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Cant complain if your doing it
08:50:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cant complain about what? Damn right I got complaints 😝 #whinylilbitchrighthere
08:50:35 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/it/your job/
08:50:36 <plowsof11> well we should definitely complain - and i totally get it
08:51:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate):  my issue is plowsof went out of his way to make decisions on our behalf 
08:51:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Doing this little "speak for us" nonsense. 
08:51:22 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Oh k
08:52:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Proposer needs to propose. Not be spoonfed.
08:52:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> If sech didnt feel commenting in GitLab was necessary, so be it. He commented in #monero and will likely comment in -dev.
08:53:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Coordinator should be unbiased 
08:53:37 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Co-ordinator is more like managing projects
08:53:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> And plowsof as plowsof can have an opinion and a vote, of course. But completely separate from his role
08:55:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Only scammers coordinate with plowsof
08:55:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> The rest just do their job 
08:55:13 <plowsof11> he commented in monero and ive linked it there for visibility (outside of this bubble people are unaware of whats going on here) 
08:55:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> By "Coordinate", I mean "try to sell themselves to him specificslly"
08:56:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> I understand and im not 100% plowsof is wrong, just more "youre doing too much and not enough" to me
08:56:08 <DanIsnotthemanBr> You mean ass kissing
08:57:02 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Maybe need a clear description of what a co-ordinator’s job entails? Can and cant
08:57:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its a first go around at the position, so no harm no foul 
08:57:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> But I definitely cannot support the "ignore community and do what we want" bs
08:58:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or the "luigi sends me orders" nonsense 
08:58:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> "We decided behind the scenes" clown show
08:58:29 <DanIsnotthemanBr> If there is a clear job description then people cant call  plowsof biased
08:59:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> It said liaison between core. Instead core tells plowsof what the plan is and plowsof follows
08:59:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Spefically referring to mj. As sgp said, ccs isnt community
08:59:38 <plowsof11> its in my best interests to get punched in the face and change course if need be 
08:59:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: )m(He said a lot more words than that )
09:01:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> No, its in your best interest to do what is best for money and allow community and proposer come to consensus.
09:01:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> When community is unilaterally against a proposal, why do you keep giving it chances?
09:01:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Close that shit and take the punch then
09:02:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Best for monero*
09:05:31 <plowsof11> depends which proposal specifically is getting chances, but this commit thing, im also against putting money into it - but i had one glamour of hope - but its all based on assumption e.g. - baron releases the gui - people start using it again (naturally) - issues arise - things need to be fixed and baron and co need help
09:06:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> And you dont need consensus to stomp shit out at the door if you dont need consensus to merge proposal changes 
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09:07:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Are these really the only swap providers? 
09:08:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Again"? 
09:08:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Comit is dead
09:08:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Comit style atomic swaps arent user friends at all, and nobody uses them
09:08:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nor will anybody 
09:08:22 <plowsof11> majesticbank said they would be providing some insane liquidity (to add to the glimmer of hope) but yeah, Farcaster is the direction 
09:09:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Majestic isnt very smart about these things, no offense but he says and does some things that are lol
09:10:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Money doesn't buy brains. If he wants to fund it, let him
09:10:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> That dead shit has nothing to do with monero aside from wasting out time and money 
09:12:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Man.. im trying hard to remember what majestic did that was totally like. . Wow.. you didnt do any research at all, did ya 😅
09:29:46 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Plowsof is piggy in the middle then?
09:30:07 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Between a rock and a hard place
09:54:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> I wanna be the hard place ✋
09:56:38 <plowsof11> im the human punching bag with a 'shame me' lanyard 
09:57:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im a robot like rockem sockem
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10:58:41 <Siren[m]> Finally, proposal to rewrite monerod in Rust
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13:00:21 <nioc> plowsof11: yes i was sleeping
13:00:31 <nioc> I wonder is Cat was
16:54:41 <kayabanerve[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "kayabanerve @kayabanerve:matrix..." <- I'm sorry for sleeping :(
16:55:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Happy holidays / New Years Eve kayabanerve @kayabanerve:matrix.org: 
16:55:49 <kayabanerve[m]> > <@boog900:monero.social> Monero-rs has implemented consensus encoding of types stored on the block chain plus some other things like calculating hashes of blocks/ txs... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/b9e2d7750dcc83937d4fe5dc1a0ec5087a1404d4>)
16:56:48 <kayabanerve[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: You too!
17:05:10 <boog900[m]> I closed the proposal
17:05:12 <kayabanerve[m]> I think this proposal was already closed, but I still want to put my thoughts down.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/a8851dd8abd0047faa5f3fd7db13b1a11b069d43>)
17:05:49 <kayabanerve[m]> boog900[m]: I'd love to see if you reopened it :) Would be great to discussion on it. I mainly wanted this written I'm case another similar proposal comes along.
17:06:57 <kayabanerve[m]> "Opened a new proposal on a smaller scale with clearer specs and overall planning, which ideally leads to further CCSs.
17:38:53 <boog900[m]> <kayabanerve[m]> "> <@boog900:monero.social..." <- My aim was to use monero-rs for the node and the serai bulletproof and CLSAG were not built for monero-rs so porting would have to be done.
17:38:54 <boog900[m]> I actually didn't know about the epee library from jeffro256 but looking at it it looks similar to the epee-bin-serde lib in monero-rs which I tried to use but found it extremely hard to implement encoding for objects in which fields depend on other fields while still be able to parse data that can come in any order.
17:38:54 <boog900[m]> All in all I should have been way more clearer in the proposal 
17:51:16 <kayabanerve[m]> There's definitely a few reasons I wrote my own lib 😅 It actually used to be a wrapper around monero-rs.
17:52:16 <kayabanerve[m]> monero-rs actually has a few advantages, which make it harder to use but more flexible/less responsible. I think Serai would have to downgrade a few types to be used as a node...
17:52:48 <kayabanerve[m]> *We use EdwardsPoint for our outputs instead of [u8; 32] when output keys used to not be required to be valid points.
17:53:22 <kayabanerve[m]> So I do understand usability discussions and rewrites being justified. Each task would need to be scoped accordingly and declare why though ;) Seems like we agree there though
17:53:34 <kayabanerve[m]> Happy to discuss this if you do want to continue down this path. Would be fun :D
17:55:06 <boog900[m]> * My aim was to use monero-rs for the node and the serai bulletproof and CLSAG were not built for monero-rs so porting would have to be done.
17:55:06 <boog900[m]> I actually didn't know about the epee library from jeffro256 but looking at it it looks similar to the epee-bin-serde lib in monero-rs which I tried to use but found it extremely hard to implement encoding for objects in which fields depend on other fields while still be able to parse data that can come in any order.
17:55:06 <boog900[m]> All in all I should have been way more clear in the proposal 
19:55:07 <Siren[m]> <boog900[m]> "I closed the proposal" <- I know for a fact that many of us would like to have monerod and wallet-rpc in Rust. But you must know that CCS isn't run by community. Even though we vote in the community meetings, the core has the say over what gets merged or not. You've seen their boomer C++ dev attitude already (ironically the current C++ codebase is a not at all planned clusterfuck). If you need funding it might be worth
19:55:07 <Siren[m]> to try out MAGIC or setting up your own donation site. I'd gladly donate to you for a working PoC.
19:58:09 <Stnby[m]> I'd also drop a few thousand for any alternative monerod that is not written by the core and in a language different than C++
20:18:14 <Siren[m]> They are scared that you will take their funds and people will stop contributing to the C++ implementation. Which will 100% happen when there is a working monerod in Rust. Nobody will prefer the C++ node and that's fine. Let it rot.
20:19:32 <rbrunner> " when there is a working monerod in Rust" If there is, I will learn Rust to contribute. Honest.
20:20:06 <rbrunner> But you know, just getting rid of boomer C++ dev attitudes will not get you there.
20:20:23 <rbrunner> Attitudes don't result in code. Only coding results in code.
20:21:28 <rbrunner> And did you see that this CCS alone would have asked for more than the current total of all Magic funds? Boomers think about such details :)
20:21:45 <rbrunner> Bad attitude, I know.
20:22:10 <rbrunner> Realism - we have heard about it. In the past. Today we have different attitudes :)
20:24:13 <Siren[m]> rbrunner: I didn't comment on the amount of funds he asked for did I? All I said was I would donate to him for a working PoC.
20:24:49 <rbrunner> "If you need funding it might be worth to try out MAGIC". I refer to this.
20:25:36 <Siren[m]> Yeah he could narrow down his proposal to a working PoC, lower the amount of funds needed and try it out
20:26:12 <rbrunner> Yeah, lol. As if you could write a sensible, useful and working PoC in less that 39 weeks :)
20:26:16 <Siren[m]> rbrunner: What about it? He can absolutely make a working PoC.
20:27:01 <rbrunner> And that was *my* proposal, sort of, on GitLab, no? Making this into a PoC CCS, with the same amount if the community agrees with that.
20:27:39 <rbrunner> Which it might.
20:28:01 <Siren[m]> I don't know, didn't see it
20:28:11 <rbrunner> Too bad.
20:28:24 <Siren[m]> Though, I read the #monero room and got a terrible impression
20:28:44 <rbrunner> What was terrible?
20:30:42 <Siren[m]> The things you are worried about :)
20:30:47 <Siren[m]> I don't agree with you at all
20:30:53 <Siren[m]> But that's fine
20:31:59 <rbrunner> Sure. Things would never move forward if we all always happily agree and just confirm each other :)
21:51:29 <nioc> so CCS is not community because core only follows community >95% of the time 
21:51:32 <nioc> .hmmm
22:08:46 <DanIsnotthemanBr> do people is the irony in it?
22:08:56 <DanIsnotthemanBr> this being monero and what its about?
22:37:27 <plowsof11> We need a weekly remembrance day to dwell on the <5% ( perhaps a minute of silence at the opening of monerokon) lest we forget 
22:40:06 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/is/see/
22:41:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> How could you ever forget me
22:42:16 <Siren[m]> <nioc> "so CCS is not community because..." <- It's more often than that. That's why alternatives exist.
22:43:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> nioc:  n% = Luigi's vote 
22:44:20 <nioc> alternatives are good  
22:44:34 <nioc> the FFS was created to deal with the problem of accountability of payment
22:46:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wen solopt going to be finished 
22:47:24 <nioc> why was it started?
22:48:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because funding scammers is fun? How would I know 
22:49:04 <monerobull[m]1> ccs for me to gamble. Asking for 200 xmr. If i make profit, 50% goes back to general fund /s
22:49:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monerobull gets it 
22:50:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Except mj got paid every penny that he expected for a finished product. Is soloptxmr goes unfinished, the proposer still got paid in full
22:50:09 <interloper[m]1> (early) happy new year everyone, here's to the exact same bullshit as the last 2 years
22:50:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Woopwoop
22:50:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> happy new year
22:50:42 <nioc> happy NGU new year
22:51:26 <nioc> remember 2023 is the year of the Monero exit scam
22:51:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2023? What about haveno
22:51:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wasnt that 2022
22:51:55 <nioc> and Tari?
22:52:07 <monerobull[m]1> Tari lol
22:52:25 <nioc> I am still waiting to merge mine it  :D
22:52:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wen mergemine wow
22:52:52 <monerobull[m]1> You can mine testnet and exchange coins for fun merch
22:54:15 <nioc> monerobull[m]1: I have tari socks  lol
22:54:41 <monerobull[m]1> That's pretty cool
22:54:50 <monerobull[m]1> How much are Uni Socks right now?
22:55:40 <nioc> TIL Unisocks is an “experimental” non-fungible token (NFT) listed on the Uniswap exchange
22:56:19 <monerobull[m]1> You could burn it to receive real socks
22:56:37 <monerobull[m]1> At one point the nft went for like 20k
22:57:24 <nioc> The price of 1 Unisocks currently costs $24,934.09.
22:58:59 <nioc> satoshi is rolling in his grave rn
23:01:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rip 
23:28:45 <monerobull[m]1> That's higher than i would have thought 
23:32:21 <cryptogrampy[m]> CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY I WOULD WANT RUST INSIDE OF MY MONERO NODE?  IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD LIMIT THE PERFORMANCE
23:32:29 <cryptogrampy[m]> I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW YOU WOULD GET IRON OXIDE IN THE COMPUTER
23:32:32 <monerobull[m]1> You don't 
23:32:42 <monerobull[m]1> It's going to eat up 400+ xmr
23:33:23 <monerobull[m]1> And then die a slow death without maintainance  
23:33:30 <cryptogrampy[m]> THAT'S MORE XMR THAN ARE PRODUCED BY THE MONERO BLOCKCHAIN IN ONE DAY
23:33:38 <cryptogrampy[m]> huge if true
23:34:00 <monerobull[m]1> Imop not worth it
23:36:08 <DanIsnotthemanBr> <monerobull[m]1> "ccs for me to gamble. Asking for..." <- Seems legit
23:37:17 <cryptogrampy[m]> I just read the CCS
23:37:36 <cryptogrampy[m]> IS JOHN CARMACK GOING TO REWRITE MONERO
23:37:37 <cryptogrampy[m]> AND ADD IN QUAKE 3 FUNCTIONALITY
23:38:37 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Good game
23:38:46 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Battle till the end
23:40:38 <cryptogrampy[m]> I think there might be a slight amount of poverty mindset about having multiple nodes
23:41:08 <cryptogrampy[m]> Obviously it's a gargantuan project, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't or couldn't be done
23:41:48 <plowsof11> 1 dev though who will make prs, review his own prs, merge his own prs 
23:41:56 <cryptogrampy[m]> what could go wrong
23:42:12 <plowsof11> write the theme song, sing the theme song, direct the theme song video and edit it 
23:42:27 <monerobull[m]1> It's stupid 
23:43:10 <monerobull[m]1> Just make implementation 0 the best one there is
23:43:31 <monerobull[m]1> Multiple implementations don't bring that much extra security 
23:43:54 <Siren[m]> plowsof11: There are plenty of rust devs in the community already. Who are already writing libs that involve monerod functionality.
23:44:46 <Siren[m]> monerobull[m]1: Have you actually seen the current codebase? People don't want to touch it for a reason.
23:44:47 <plowsof11> they can all come back with a viable proposal then and work together 
23:44:52 <cryptogrampy[m]> farcaster crew should make a ccs when they're done with farcaster
23:44:53 <Siren[m]> That would be the best
23:53:50 <nioc> they should work on seraphis 
23:54:56 <nioc> by the time you get a rust implementation it will no longer be relevant 
23:55:23 <Siren[m]> What do you mean it will no longer be relevant?
23:55:31 <Siren[m]> What exactly won't be relevant?
23:55:40 <monerobull[m]1> We already have an atomic swap gui
23:55:46 <monerobull[m]1> And it's called basic swap
23:56:01 <monerobull[m]1> And they work on making xmr swaps work in both directions 
23:56:14 <nioc> oh goody, I get to show my ignorance 
23:56:14 <plowsof11> did they fix the bug you had?
23:56:21 <monerobull[m]1> Why the FUCK is funding a comit GUI even on the table 
23:56:39 <nioc> how much of the current code will be in seraphis?
23:56:44 <monerobull[m]1> plowsof11: Yeah, even recovered funds
23:57:07 <plowsof11> the comit GUI still has one milestone left to complete of paid development
23:57:53 <monerobull[m]1> Can we just axe it and put the funds towards useful dev work
23:58:04 <nioc> monero was originally written as fast as they could, scams can't wait  
23:58:06 <nioc> nothing to do with language 
23:58:41 <nioc> comit GUI was funded?
23:58:41 <monerobull[m]1> If your proposal progresses so slowly, new, better approaches turn up, i don't think we should keep funding it
23:58:57 <plowsof11> ages ago yes 
23:59:14 <monerobull[m]1> Proves my point 
23:59:22 <nioc> that's it, there is no hope for me
23:59:23 <Siren[m]> nioc: Rust is in the kernel and the upcoming GCC will include support for it.
23:59:31 <nioc> imma opening a borolo rn