10:14:09 <snail[m]> Is changing thr bootstrap address insecure? 
10:15:38 <snail[m]> s/thr/the/
10:48:31 <_[m]> hello all what's  the best exchange these days to buy monero? like dunno privacy respecting whatnot (and not gonna run with ze money)
10:58:49 <jozsef[m]> localmonero.co
11:05:01 <ceetee[m]> depends on what you need:
11:05:02 <ceetee[m]> P2P: localmonero.com
11:05:02 <ceetee[m]> Crypto swap: trocador.app
11:05:02 <ceetee[m]> KYC: kraken.com
11:05:13 <ceetee[m]> * depends on what you need:
11:05:13 <ceetee[m]> P2P: localmonero.com
11:05:13 <ceetee[m]> Crypto swap: trocador.app
11:05:13 <ceetee[m]> KYC: kraken.com
11:05:28 <ceetee[m]> * depends on what you need:
11:05:28 <ceetee[m]> P2P: localmonero.com
11:05:28 <ceetee[m]> Crypto swap: trocador.app
11:05:28 <ceetee[m]> KYC: kraken.com
11:06:32 <ceetee[m]> Never use exchanges for storage, withdraw what you don't intend to trade
11:08:23 <_[m]> <jozsef[m]> "localmonero.co" <- tx
11:08:46 <_[m]> just exchange fiat for moneyo
11:08:48 <_[m]> s/moneyo/monero/
11:09:17 <_[m]> > <@ctrej:matrix.org> depends on what you need:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/99626962685513433845d0ae5348918f63791b84>)
11:15:00 <snail[m]> <snail[m]> "Is changing thr bootstrap..." <- Will my funds be hacked? 
11:15:10 <snail[m]> Someone on reddit said to change it if it wasn't syncing. 
11:21:39 <rbrunner> I don't understand what exactly you mean with "bootstrap", I am just pretty sure that your funds won't be hacked from remote.
11:41:54 <evalda[m]> <_[m]> "just exchange fiat for moneyo" <- I find it easier to buy BTC for fiat and then exchange BTC to XMR
11:42:53 <_[m]> but then you pay twice transaction fee?
11:43:05 <_[m]> evalda[m]: do you use then the swap thing?
11:43:39 <evalda[m]> Yes, 2 fees unfortunately
11:44:12 <evalda[m]> Buy BTC, hold a bit to throw off timing and then exchange to monero
11:45:04 <_[m]> what's a bit, like days?
11:45:18 <_[m]> it's better for privacy ?
11:45:42 <evalda[m]> Yeah, a few days for me... Yes for privacy... And break up amounts
11:50:30 <rbrunner> "and then exchange BTC to XMR" Some people advice to use LTC or BCH for that because also widely available, reasonably solid as coins and with cheaper fees
11:52:11 <evalda[m]> Makes sense 😺
11:53:31 <_[m]> yeah, tx for the info
11:53:47 <_[m]> and changing it into monero, you do on an exchange or p2p ?
11:59:29 <evalda[m]> p2p is nice in theory but hard to transact in practice, I just do no-KYC exchanges
11:59:38 <evalda[m]> Over Tor of cause
12:04:09 <_[m]> whcih are no-kyc?
12:04:18 <_[m]> no sign up or no identification required?
12:04:33 <_[m]> i man mm you always need an account minimally so nvm :)
12:04:49 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://trocador.app/
12:05:20 <evalda[m]> Tons of them especially crypto-to-crypto
12:05:54 <evalda[m]> Have a list somewhere, like simpleswap
12:06:19 <evalda[m]> No account, no bs
12:06:34 <evalda[m]> Address in, address out
12:07:39 <evalda[m]> Obviously there is risk of getting f..., but works for small amounts at least
12:08:14 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://kycnot.me/
12:08:57 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I’ve used trocador multiple times never had an issue also they have tor address
12:14:36 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Anyone uses this?
12:14:36 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://basicswapdex.com/
12:16:31 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/uses/use/, s///
12:18:32 <evalda[m]> Interesting, curious how easy is to get a match for trading
12:18:57 <evalda[m]> That's generally the problem with p2
12:19:03 <evalda[m]> s/p2/p2p/
12:32:39 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Actually monerotalk had them on
12:48:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monerobull used basicswap successfully 
12:49:22 <monerobull[m]1> Yup
12:49:27 <monerobull[m]1> It's pretty cool but currently liquidity is trash
12:50:08 <monerobull[m]1> <evalda[m]> "Interesting, curious how easy is..." <- You have an order book so it's trivial to get a match 
12:50:34 <monerobull[m]1> As long as there's someone putting up offers with the trades you want
12:51:45 <monerobull[m]1> It will get much easier to use once it doesn't need nodes anymore 
12:53:25 <evalda[m]> Nice! Thank you 🌷Gonna try it next time 💃
15:19:26 <MajesticBank> can someone approve the post for me
15:19:29 <MajesticBank> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/101ewk7/promo_last_5_days_to_swap_crypto_on_majesticbank/
15:20:27 <MajesticBank> reddit is giving some weird blocking/filtering errors 
16:44:39 <tiny_voice1563[m> <MajesticBank> "can someone approve the post for..." <- Hey still waiting for you to follow through on your promise to answer the questions about the shady actions posted on Dread. You hassled me a few times over it and said you’d explain publicly…and never did even though I asked half a dozen times on Reddit. If you’re going to promise to provide an explanation, then do it. 
16:45:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is anyone who was ripped off etc around to tell the tale?
16:46:23 <tiny_voice1563[m> 🖐️
16:46:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> What happened in your case? Was it ever resolved?
16:50:55 <tiny_voice1563[m> Every swap I made had an estimate that was grossly incorrect. I got a lot less than it claimed (not just a little like you might expect). The API was always incorrect. OrangeFren has had a problem with this. I swallowed it because of the Tor aspect. Then the big issue happened. A big swap just…didn’t go through. Support never replied, including to the Dread posts. Really I’m not even asking about the swap failure and
16:50:55 <tiny_voice1563[m> lost money though. My several questions that I posted over and over to MB included why they deleted the tons of Dread posts about issues like mine. Lots and lots of posts flooded in. Then…they all vanished. Then…the MB admin got swapped out for a whole new user. No explanation. No introduction on who the new admin was or why the complaints were deleted. Paris (Dread admin) warned that he also received no explanation and
16:50:55 <tiny_voice1563[m> to be careful. He suggested no longer using MB.
16:51:12 <MajesticBank> thank you two for reminding me that I do good work, talking about positive aspects of past year donations and our stand up for privacy
16:52:26 <tiny_voice1563[m> So obviously that’s an issue. You can’t just have a massive failure/scam/whatever it was that happened, delete the complaints/evidence, change moderators on your subdread, and then just act like it never happened. For MONTHS I posted on Reddit asking for an explanation directly in response to comments made by MB. I got insulted and ignored. Then he promised to explain everything suddenly but never did. This has been
16:52:26 <tiny_voice1563[m> ignored for several months.
16:52:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> What do contributions have to do with the price of tea in china
16:53:02 <tiny_voice1563[m> MajesticBank: See what I’m talking about? Change the subject. Refuse to answer the questions on what happened and why. 
16:53:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> The question is from a specific user regardibg a specific issue with the service 
16:54:04 <MajesticBank> I see just accusations here from you, without proofs while I work with solid results
16:54:28 <tiny_voice1563[m> ofrnxmr[m]: It was from a lot of users, too. Last I checked people were still asking for answers on Dread with no reply but it’s been a while
16:54:57 <tiny_voice1563[m> MajesticBank: Why did you promise to explain what happened but never did? Why did you delete the Dread comments and posts? Why did you change the admins in Dread? 
16:55:14 <MajesticBank> last 7 days thousand of people bought monero without fee, pretty much says how much we care about the community
16:55:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nobody cares about hearsay
16:56:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> If it happened to you, be the first and deal with it here and now
16:56:29 <tiny_voice1563[m> Why does the API lie about returns? Why has the website also promised false returns? Has that been fixed? It’s been discussed on Reddit - not just me. Also I fail to see how your success over the last 7 days answers literally any of my questions.
16:57:18 <tiny_voice1563[m> Ok? It did happen to me? And I’ve been trying to deal with it for months. But honestly I want to know why they covered up the evidence. That is more concerning to me than the site having an issue and losing my swap. I’m also more concerned about a lying API.
16:57:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Well why not deal with it now
16:59:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> And as far as a lying api, majestic is often the too swapper on trocador.app and I havent heard any complaints
16:59:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Top* swapper
16:59:40 <MajesticBank> Did you sent me a message on telegram / irc or opened support ticket? 
16:59:53 <tiny_voice1563[m> That’s…what I’m trying to do? I’m asking the same questions I have been and getting still no answers. He literally just will say how well it’s doing now and won’t answer why he deleted my post about my lost funds. Won’t say why the API lied. Won’t say who the new Dread admin is. Or who the old one was. Or why any of that happened. You don’t find that very sketch to just do all that and then ignore the
16:59:53 <tiny_voice1563[m> questions? I’m concerned it could happen again.
17:00:11 <tiny_voice1563[m> ofrnxmr[m]: Good to hear. I was hoping after OrangeFren had the issue with it they would fix it. Couldn’t find any confirmation. Thanks
17:00:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> You're asking about deleted posts. You're not asking about your bad swaps
17:00:26 <MajesticBank> There are 0 unresolved issues to this day with exchange, I often send people half of xmr when they wait hour or two, delays happens
17:02:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> If majestic "scammed in the past", you need concrete proof
17:02:08 <tiny_voice1563[m> ofrnxmr[m]: Because to me, covering up an issue is worth than the issue itself. You don’t agree? Technical issues can happen. I can give benefit of the doubt. But the fact that he won’t even acknowledge that he deleted posts or explain who the new admin is…that’s my current concern. 
17:02:12 <tiny_voice1563[m> Trust matters
17:02:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Posts arent proof. The content of the posts should be.
17:02:26 <tiny_voice1563[m> Lol zero unresolved issues…? Wut
17:02:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> So, repost the content of the post that contains the root issue 
17:02:40 <RavFX[m]> Had no issue with Majestic so far (tested manually from the site or via trocador)
17:02:50 <RavFX[m]> s/or/and/
17:03:08 <tiny_voice1563[m> ofrnxmr[m]: There was a reason I used Dread to post my swap issue. Not posting details here. 
17:03:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> The U in fud stands for uncertainty 
17:03:24 <tiny_voice1563[m> ofrnxmr[m]: I’m not here to complain about my post swap anyway
17:03:38 <tiny_voice1563[m> Lost*
17:04:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Do you just want majestic to admit to doing something that can be proven, but that you refuse to prove 
17:04:38 <tiny_voice1563[m> Prove what? I’m not asking about my swap. I’m here to ask why the posts (including mine) were deleted, why the admin was changed, and why no explanation was given - all during a time when the MB site was down.
17:05:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> And if he doesnt feel like telling you, what ya gonna do?
17:06:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Gotta prove hes a scammer or else youre just making noise. ...
17:06:18 <tiny_voice1563[m> …?? What do you mean? Absolutely nothing? I’m not trying to prove he’s a scammer
17:06:24 <tiny_voice1563[m> You’re missing my point entirely
17:07:38 <tiny_voice1563[m> You keep wanting me to post about my swap. That was so long ago I’ve counted it as a loss. I don’t care anymore. If he ever replies on Dread, sure that’d be great. Hard to get a response when you bail and delete the posts asking for help though. I was providing that background to explain the situation surrounding the Dread issue
17:07:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> You're asking him to tell you why he rage deleted dread posts? Maybe he was drunk 
17:07:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> And maybe he doesnt feel obligated to explain anything to anyone unless they actually lost funds 🤷‍♂️
17:07:50 <tiny_voice1563[m> ofrnxmr[m]: Well he should say that then. And that’s obviously not a valid reason to delete support requests. And it wasn’t just that. The admin was literally removed and replaced with someone else while the site was down. 
17:07:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Morpheus integrated majestic knowing full well about the fud
17:08:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Has he been burned? 
17:09:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> More people from the Monero community trust trocador than they do orangefren.
17:09:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Orsngefren charges extra when using the onion, do they not?
17:09:57 <tiny_voice1563[m> So what’s your suggestion, then? I posted about my lost funds. He deleted my posts. Then he removed himself as admin and made someone else admin. Deleted everyone else’s requests for support. I stopped trying to get support on my funds and started trying to understand why we should trust a site admin that would rage delete support requests and then refuse to explain who the new site or Dread admin is. My question isn’t
17:09:57 <tiny_voice1563[m> for you. It’s for MB.
17:10:35 <tiny_voice1563[m> ofrnxmr[m]: That’s great? So what? Doesn’t explain what happened on Dread
17:10:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hearsay 
17:11:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not calling you a liar BTW. Im saying its quite unreasonable to think anything will be done unless you show someone some evidence
17:11:43 <tiny_voice1563[m> What’s hearsay? You can go look at it right now.
17:12:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Which is why I brought up Morpheus. If he believed the fud, he would not have integrated majestic.
17:12:23 <tiny_voice1563[m> Is Paris’s post not still up?
17:12:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> I can look at your post detailing the bad trade? 
17:12:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tell Paris to come here and speak for themself 
17:12:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> You're here and claim to have an issue. Why bring up Paris?
17:13:02 <tiny_voice1563[m> I’m not trying to spread FUD. I am not saying MB will steal your funds. I am not asking about about a bad trade.
17:13:25 <tiny_voice1563[m> ofrnxmr[m]: Because Paris is the Dread admin?
17:13:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero twitter account was spam posting one night 
17:13:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Did we ever get an explanation?
17:14:18 <tiny_voice1563[m> Why do you keep bringing up bad trades?? I’m asking about the shady and irresponsible actions taken on Dread by someone we are supposed to trust. I’m asking about the deletion of support requests and the shady removal of admins
17:14:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> I can be as Smokey as I want 
17:14:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Show the fire or youre just fudding...
17:15:29 <tiny_voice1563[m> …??? You can go look at it right now. I’m literally asking for one thing: a response to Paris’s post and what I saw happen on Dread. You can go view it yourself. I posted the Tor link on Reddit
17:15:46 <tiny_voice1563[m> How is this FUD? It’s asking for a response to the Dread nonsense.
17:17:47 <tiny_voice1563[m> Just a response. Explanation. That’s fair. If Cake started deleting Reddit posts with support requests, the Cake admins vanished and were replaced with anons, that would raise questions, no?
17:19:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> You do know that cake has been accused of being s BSD actor as well, right? 
17:19:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> So has Diego/stack wallet 
17:19:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its nothing new
17:19:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Proof or fud
17:19:29 <tiny_voice1563[m> ofrnxmr[m]: So? That doesn’t answer my question.  
17:19:38 <tiny_voice1563[m> Proof of what??
17:20:24 <tiny_voice1563[m> Proof of Paris’s post?? Lol I’m just asking for a response to a post. For a response to what happened on DREAD. Not what happened on…whatever else you seem to be stuck on
17:20:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> If this has absolutely nothing to do with the service, and everything to do with dread posts and admin changed.. I dont even know what to say
17:23:35 <tiny_voice1563[m> I’ve said it over and over and over again. I am asking MB a question. Not you. I don’t feel the need to continue trying to help you understand that when a site admin wipes support requests and then vanishes, that’s a cause for concern. And if MB promises to explain, then they should follow through.
17:59:37 <plowsof11> yeah, a trade reference or something for evidence otherwise this is just "sir, if the proof of the paris is not enough and im asking 24 or 25 times. you do not understand (read from top to bottom) this is not about a bad trade."
18:01:56 <sech1> the words "sir, 24, 25" in one sentence trigger me
18:02:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sech1, youre not alone.
18:02:17 <tiny_voice1563[m> plowsof11: I understand what you’re saying, but I’m not asking for help with a bad trade at all. 
18:02:38 <plowsof11> lol
18:02:39 <tiny_voice1563[m> I would want help with that over Dread/Tor, not here, anyway. But that’s not what I’m trying to ask
18:05:44 <plowsof11> remind us, is this definitely not about a bad trade?
18:08:09 <tiny_voice1563[m> To be very clear - this is not about a bad trade 😂 sorry it got said so many times, but ofrnxmr kept coming back to that. What a waste of time that whole conversation was for everyone lol sorry.
19:28:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Weird
20:18:39 <still_stuck[m]> we need an IRL monero chan to rep monero
20:18:47 <still_stuck[m]> gotta be a 10/10 
20:28:25 <monerobull[m]1> Working on making her physical 
20:28:38 <still_stuck[m]> Is there a community fund?
20:28:46 <monerobull[m]1> There's monerochan.art
20:28:52 <monerobull[m]1> I do physical stuff
20:29:01 <monerobull[m]1> Like the plushies 
20:29:13 <monerobull[m]1> While on the topic, if anyone in here were to hypothetically be in the market for a body pillow, would you want a non-stretchy but more durable material or a stretchy one that feels way nicer to hug but isn't as durable?
20:36:25 <still_stuck[m]> <monerobull[m]1> "While on the topic, if anyone in..." <- latter
22:06:19 <Lyza> somebody buy me the outfit