00:16:17 <escapethe3ra[m]> <stnby[m]> "Use matrix, tox or session..." <- Note that qTox has been removed from Whonix
00:16:17 <escapethe3ra[m]> due to security issues (https://forums.whonix.org/t/tox-qtox-whonix-integration/1219/35)
00:42:39 <martin03[m]> is bitcoin better store of value than precious metal?
01:30:34 <NorrinRadd> martin03[m]: where monero?
01:35:55 <RavFX[m]> <NorrinRadd> "martin03: where monero?" <- busy getting's strength to own everything else.
01:36:54 <RavFX[m]> That aside I would not use bitcorn as a store of value
01:36:54 <RavFX[m]> I keep monero and some precious metals in case (keep both).
01:36:54 <RavFX[m]> Same should apply if you hold bitcorn.
01:39:13 <RavFX[m]> Wonder how long the Ponzi effect of bitcoin will last.
01:55:49 <monerobull[m]1> Few more halvings and they can't pay for security anymore 
03:47:23 <DanIsnotthemanBr> When all the hedge funds pull out
04:42:36 <MrWhiskey00[m]> Anyone interested in joining a company I’m trying to build that helps adopt monero around the world, send me a dm
04:43:18 <MrWhiskey00[m]> Preferably in the US or in third world nations but open to all and state you expertise or area of work when applying
04:53:29 <MrWhiskey00[m]> hit me up with any questions as well 
05:28:01 <Siren[m]> Why do you need a company?
05:28:40 <Siren[m]> Also I don't suggest third world nations
05:29:02 <Siren[m]> Unless you live in one
06:59:27 <johnfoss68[m]> https://www.themoneromoon.com/p/the-monero-moon-issue-60
06:59:47 <johnfoss68[m]> Latest issue just published. Cheers 👍
07:00:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> 59 as well
07:00:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> I noticed the return via dancers new website 
07:01:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Glad to see it 🔥
07:04:15 <pcrhn> johnfoss68[m], great!
10:19:49 <johnfoss68[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Glad to see it 🔥" <- Thanks! Yeah Monero Dancer is a great site, it's a good one stop shop for Monero, reminiscent of monero.how! Seems like it's one of  the best places to redirect newcomers with no prior knowledge of Monero
10:56:54 <Mumuks> Interesting post, in Retarddit of all places: https://old.reddit.com/r/ask/comments/102c6h0/when_we_enter_cashless_societywhat_stops_the/
11:07:11 <still_stuck[m]> <Mumuks> "Interesting post, in Retarddit..." <- Yeah, so the going problem is that they trust institutions enough that they can think that something "can be done about it" instead of "make your own parallel system and fuck off from the current one". No one wants to fuck off, though. I think it's really about part of us fucking off from the system and sadly having to watch others go into slavery.
11:11:53 <Mumuks> still_stuck[m]: Well, it is Retarddit so that is expected. At least even they see the problem even if their solutions are variations of ask the overlords to be nice.
11:12:51 <jwinterm> the system is cozy
11:12:57 <jwinterm> fucking off sounds cold and scary
11:14:56 <still_stuck[m]> Yeah, and no one is going to tell them that their cozyness is someone being cold and scared for them.
11:30:08 <Mumuks> The ‘godfather of crypto’ wants to create a privacy-focused CBDC: Here’s how
11:30:08 <Mumuks> David Chaum is working with the Swiss central bank to develop a central bank digital currency (CBDC) that could also attract the crypto ecosystem due to its privacy features.
11:30:08 <Mumuks> https://cointelegraph.com/news/the-godfather-of-crypto-wants-to-create-a-privacy-focused-cbdc-here-s-how
11:45:14 <jozsef[m]> Was already suspicious based on cooperation with BIS, but when I got to
11:45:14 <jozsef[m]> > “You can withdraw $500 every day with your ATM card, but you can’t walk into a bank and withdraw $1,000,000 in cash — that’s privacy for the people,” Chaum explained. It should be similar in electronic payment systems, he noted. “Those systems should make it very difficult for someone to gather enough and use it for bad purposes, like hiring a hitman without being noticed.”
11:45:14 <jozsef[m]> I lost all interest even reading about it.
11:45:50 <jozsef[m]> Let's bad all cars since bank robbers use to get away.
11:46:13 <jozsef[m]> He may be a godfather of whatever, but he's been bought.
11:46:25 <jozsef[m]> *ban
11:47:22 <Siren[m]> Ah yes if someone needs more than 500 in cash it's totally for crime /s
12:01:24 <jozsef[m]> Also
12:01:24 <jozsef[m]> > “You can withdraw $500 every day with your ATM card, but you can’t walk into a bank and withdraw $1,000,000 in cash — that’s privacy for the people,” 
12:01:24 <jozsef[m]> What kind of twisted logic is that? How is _any_ definition of _privacy_? Sound more like ball'n'chains.
12:02:55 <jozsef[m]> *is that any
12:37:21 <NotMtth[m]> Hey y'all, 
12:40:32 <NotMtth[m]> Hey y'all, I'm the dev of 'CypherPunk Radio'.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/b87c6f2b3b65e247a4d08e61e501d4f48de6c255>)
12:46:08 <monerobull[m]1> Looks interesting 
12:46:17 <monerobull[m]1> Can we selfhost this
12:46:51 <monerobull[m]1> I don't want to ever have something funded that just disappears after 2 months again
13:08:39 <NotMtth[m]> <monerobull[m]1> "Can we selfhost this" <- Yes it can be 
13:08:44 <NotMtth[m]> The code is all there 
13:08:53 <NotMtth[m]> https://cypherpunkradio.com/source
13:11:23 <monerobull[m]1> Some simple documentation on how to get it running would be great
13:13:26 <NotMtth[m]> That's something I can work on as well :)
13:13:55 <NotMtth[m]> It's not hard as it is right now but I will make easier
13:30:04 <jozsef[m]> NotMtth: I'd like to try listening on i2p, but http://i2pmirror/channel leads nowhere, also http://i2pmirror.i2p/channel. How can I tune in via i2p?
13:30:20 <NotMtth[m]> I2P is currently not working 
13:30:27 <NotMtth[m]> I'm trying to figure it out 
13:30:39 <NotMtth[m]> You can stream for Tor only now 
13:30:48 <NotMtth[m]> Thanks for pointing it out 
13:31:05 <jozsef[m]> Ah, ok. No problem. Thanks for doing this!
13:31:11 <NotMtth[m]> :)
13:31:22 <jozsef[m]> Let me know if you want me to test. I'm running i2pd.
13:32:42 <entry1[m]> https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/securely_purchase.html
13:32:42 <entry1[m]> Looks like this needs to be updated as the moneroaddress.org link/hyperlink is a redirect to a MyMonero page on how to create a paper wallet.
13:55:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof:  wasnt this killed already, or why still in limbo
13:55:30 <still_stuck[m]> > <@jbakosi:matrix.org> Was already suspicious based on cooperation with BIS, but when I got to... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/ec0843a2b2182661dfbc7c3c214956bdfadc0600>)
13:57:16 <ajs_[m]> monerokon press release will be going out soon. anyone wants to say something about monerokon and be quoted.. https://monerokon.prowly.com/221722-3rd-annual-international-monero-konferenco-on-security-privacy-and-decentralization-in-blockchain-technology
13:58:58 <jozsef[m]> still_stuck: Hah. As an example from history, the fathers of the American revolution knew that well already. But propaganda nowadays is probably more effective than ever.
14:02:38 <still_stuck[m]> jozsef[m]: Not only on that level, more also in the sense that, if I chip you and turn you into my mind-slave such that you won't commit evil acts, I've already murdered you and just let your body walk around and live.
14:02:52 <still_stuck[m]> > <@jbakosi:matrix.org> still_stuck: Hah. As an example from history, the fathers of the American revolution knew that well already. But propaganda nowadays is probably more effective than ever.
14:02:52 <still_stuck[m]>  * Not only on that level, more also in the sense that, if I chip you and turn you into my mind-slave such that you won't commit evil acts, I've already murdered you and am just letting your body walk around and live.
14:04:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🚣‍♂️ #monero-offtopic:monero.social 
14:05:28 <NotMtth[m]> <jozsef[m]> "Let me know if you want me to..." <- I2P streaming works 
14:05:34 <NotMtth[m]> Solved the stupid mistake I made 
14:05:51 <NotMtth[m]> Try and let me know :)
14:11:32 <jozsef[m]> NotMtth: DM.
15:08:09 <plowsof11> ofrnxmr: its time to start voting for sure, we said definitely kill at the next meeting if no updates / proof of concepts are seen (its been a month) now we've got updates to look at
15:08:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Voting on the 7th sounds fine
15:08:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Most proposals are old, koe's us self explanitory 
15:09:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Koe is the only new one, right?
15:09:43 <plowsof11> yep
15:10:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> jozsef:  share your experience if possible 
15:11:47 <jozsef[m]> Sure, with the help of NotMtth I got streaming to work both with mplayer (on the command line) as well as within firefox, both via i2pd.
15:13:27 <jozsef[m]> With mplayer the connection was a bit skipping and inside the browser was significantly better, less skipping but still bit. We are not sure what causes this but currently my i2pd channel create rate is as low as 12% which I have not seen as low as this. This could be a cause. Otherwise, it works. I also added a couple of songs to the pool, using a youtube id. Overall it works.
15:13:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> jozsef:  I meant to say please* share
15:13:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> thanks
15:13:46 <plowsof11> should the details of the spanish / cake wallet sponsorship be made public? 
15:14:12 <plowsof11> i thought that would be a major issue 
15:15:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
15:15:53 <plowsof11> you're sustainable now but coming back to the ccs 
15:17:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> NotMtth: 
15:18:28 <jozsef[m]> Technically, I wonder, if i2pd streaming requires new channel creation all the time while streaming or (which would make more sense to me) a channel needs to be established once and then the download/stream would just flow, so a streaming-type load could be more stable. I'm interested in learning more about how this kind of stuff works within i2p/i2pd.
15:18:43 <plowsof11> does xmr.radio suffer the same issues over i2p?
15:25:44 <jozsef[m]> Cannot reach http://xmrradio.i2p (within i2p).
15:26:21 <plowsof11> thank you for testing ajs_ 
15:27:28 <ajs_[m]> olwxvhwaq422rcrlmvh6wgrdczyfyeag645du4cwncutqblkfmaq.b32.i2p
15:27:46 <ajs_[m]> I had to lower stream quality to 128 kbs
15:27:59 <ajs_[m]> And the number of loops
15:29:12 <NotMtth[m]> `xmrradio.i2p last seen: 2023-01-04 15:07:15`
15:29:31 <NotMtth[m]> Idk seems online
15:34:33 <ajs_[m]> Also streaming over tor http://kxmrdbwcqbgyokjbiv7droplwhxvli3s7yv5xddxgrtajdpdebgzzzqd.onion
16:03:08 <jozsef[m]> Neither http://olwxvhwaq422rcrlmvh6wgrdczyfyeag645du4cwncutqblkfmaq.b32.i2p/ nor http://xmrradio.i2p/ open for me. Other i2p pages load fine. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.
16:18:27 <ajs_[m]> jozsef: did you just start i2pd?
16:19:20 <ajs_[m]> It might take a few hours to make connections with in the network
16:21:37 <jozsef[m]> No, restarted almost an hour ago. Other i2p pages load fine (contents appear not from browser cache).
16:34:31 <ajs_[m]> Popular i2p sites usually links up more quickly
16:51:41 <jozsef[m]> Can someone please do me a favor and tell me if this loads and if so how long? http://sprout.i2p:18089/get_info Thanks.
17:54:50 <NotMtth[m]> <jozsef[m]> "Can someone please do me a favor..." <- Yeah
18:00:04 <kinghat[m]> duckduckgo has an onion address but doesnt make it obvious or allow tor browser to switch to it automagically 
20:00:11 -xmr-pr- [meta] rbrunner7 opened issue #777: Seraphis wallet workgroup meeting #8 - Monday, 2023-01-09, 18:00 UTC
20:00:11 -xmr-pr- > https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/777