10:05:13 <plowsof11> theres a meeting later today 16:00utc. Anything that we would like to be brought up / talked about / shilled? https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/775
14:55:27 <msvb-lab> Do we have a community meeting today? The topic states no, the last one on 17 December.
14:59:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yup
15:22:54 <msvb-lab> I see it now ofrnxmr[m], thanks. https://www.github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/775/
15:41:20 <nioc> what time is 1600 utc here?
15:42:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> 20mins or so, I think 
15:48:02 * Siren[m] uploaded an image: (213KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/kernal.eu/vMRwwLEcrXuaFTymELKElnhV/IMG20230107174738.jpg >
15:48:03 <Siren[m]> Ready
15:49:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> I made a special guest appearance in the pic 😃
15:59:26 <MajesticBank> meeting now?
15:59:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yup
15:59:37 <plowsof11> yes hello
15:59:56 <spackle_xmr[m]> hello
16:00:05 <Stnby[m]> Heeeya
16:00:14 <plowsof11> meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/775
16:00:15 <plowsof11> hii
16:00:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Greetings
16:00:52 <plowsof11> lets shill some highlights before rucknium mentions magic 
16:01:06 <plowsof11>         - [Featherwallet update](https://featherwallet.org/changelog/) - including [bootstrappable](http://bootstrappable.org/benefits.html) builds, Pi and arm64 support!
16:01:08 <plowsof11> yuck formatting 
16:01:35 <plowsof11> tobtoht great work with feather!
16:01:50 <MajesticBank> big progress on feather, very good
16:01:57 <Siren[m]> This is a draft webpage but we are working on a Monero ATM. https://kernal.eu/~siren/monero-atm/
16:02:22 <plowsof11> [Bitejo.com](https://bitejo.com/) redesign by anarkiocrypto!
16:02:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Id like to note that Monero Moon has posted 2 new newsletters
16:03:01 <plowsof11> nice work johnfoss68 !
16:03:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> What else happened over the holidays? 
16:03:41 <plowsof11> [UnstoppableSwaps GUI](https://unstoppableswap.net/) Beta released (use at your own risk as its a beta)! well done binarybaron GL with the beta!
16:03:48 <MajesticBank> yes, john is back and working over-time on monero things from what I've seen
16:03:54 <plowsof11> wishing everyone a healthy and a successful 2023 btw!
16:04:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Trocador.app now has a payment mode.
16:04:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monerkon need a design gnuteardrops:  willing to pay 
16:04:54 <MajesticBank> We might see atomic swaps usable very soon, with GUI should be much user friendly
16:04:56 <plowsof11> the monero atm project has a cool looking 3d model of an atm 😁
16:05:15 <plowsof11> we should also look at : https://basicswapdex.com/ - DEX with btc -> monero atomic swaps / dockers / guis / docs you name it
16:05:23 <Stnby[m]> plowsof11: I am 🇲🇳 12 animal 🐗 calendar believer, but lets hope for success regardless.
16:06:16 <plowsof11> i think Rucknium wants to mention MAGIC ~ voting has began for something or other 
16:06:40 <Siren[m]> Mongolian MAGIC calendar
16:07:04 <monerobull[m]1> Hello
16:07:15 <plowsof11> @monerobull has used the basicswapdex + knows about magic
16:07:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont mind celebrating twice
16:07:52 <monerobull[m]1> BasicSwapdex is really cool
16:08:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oh whoops. I forgot to apply
16:08:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Next time, someone nominate me :P 
16:08:37 <plowsof11> are we ready to jump in to the ccs ideas? 
16:08:47 <monerobull[m]1> The swaps themselves are basically automatic, just everything regarding UX around it is not great rn
16:09:16 <Rucknium[m]> If you are a MAGIC voter (you could have applied to be one recently), please vote on the MAGIC Monero Fund committee candidates. You should have received an email about it.
16:09:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Good morning monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org: 
16:09:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> jozsef:  are you around to comment on the radio proposal
16:09:42 <plowsof11> that would be NotMtth 
16:10:26 <plowsof11> lets discuss   a. [xmr-btc-swap development and improvement](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/355)    
16:10:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> monerobull[m]1: Personally, I think comit is a complete waste if resources. 
16:10:29 <plowsof11> i am ready to vote 
16:11:08 <MajesticBank> You can vote this year for me at magic monero fund, I think fund can enjoy some extra help
16:11:12 <MajesticBank> and yes commit 
16:11:19 <MajesticBank> not for approval I think at this point
16:11:42 <MajesticBank> I would delay it for two weeks or something
16:12:28 <monerobull[m]1> ofrnxmr[m]: Agreed.
16:12:57 <monerobull[m]1> BasicSwapDex and Farcaster seem to be way ahead already 
16:13:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> But hey. Proposal was already merged.
16:13:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> MajesticBank @MajesticBank:libera.chat: I dont see any reason for comit backend / unstoppableswap gui being used. Last time i checked there were was probably less than $10 in liquidity
16:13:33 <plowsof11> at this moment in time im saying close
16:14:07 <MajesticBank> There is a solution for that, I feel like we hadn't tested protocol enough to disregard funding totally
16:14:14 <plowsof11> the proposer also had wrong xmr numbers the entire time (discovered only recently) and overall rushed / not planned well 
16:14:22 <MajesticBank> this proposal is nothing something I fancy still
16:14:31 <plowsof11> they have reduced their workload and doubled the hourly rates basically 
16:14:59 <monerobull[m]1> Bait and switch?
16:15:32 <plowsof11> someone called delta1 i would prefer to make a ccs proposal (if aynone follows the repo(s) they would see this person doing alot of things and was congratulated specifically by binarybaron when releasing the beta for their work on the cli)
16:15:43 <plowsof11> but yeha, comit isnt cool atm 
16:16:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> <plowsof11> "i am ready to vote..." <- Im trying to login so i can downvote
16:16:43 <plowsof11> there are open bounties totalling +4 xmr for the cli - leito should complete these to show his worth before considering a ccs
16:17:24 <Rucknium[m]> Farcaster released something. Has anyone tried it?
16:17:34 <plowsof11> even then.. it would require a hail mary of commit becoming popular after atomic swap gui final is released etc + liquidity and faracaster / basicswap dex 'not existing''
16:18:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> There are 7 upvotes and no down 
16:18:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> In confused, so going to downvote rn
16:18:58 <MajesticBank> makes sense that someone that spent more time with project draft ccs
16:19:20 <MajesticBank> in future if it's worth it
16:19:36 <monerobull[m]1> Well let's pull that argument again: sockpuppets 🧦 
16:19:53 <plowsof11> radio time?
16:20:25 <leito[m]> sorry I'm late
16:20:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lovera @btclovera:matrix.org:  you upvoted
16:20:46 <plowsof11> hello
16:21:22 <plowsof11> there will also be a meeting on the 14th if a fuller picture is required 
16:21:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> My vote is close it, but others such as lovera have upvoted. 
16:21:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> On a fundamental basis, comit is dead, is it not
16:21:34 <Rucknium[m]> I am neutral to negative on this proposal.
16:21:46 <plowsof11> reg radio or ?
16:22:02 <leito[m]> the thing also is that some of the milestones that I set have also a bounty from baro
16:22:10 <leito[m]> s/baro/baron/
16:22:24 <plowsof11> get to work then and prove yourself 
16:22:27 <plowsof11> delta1 > leito 
16:22:30 <plowsof11> show me im wrong
16:22:38 <leito[m]> delta1 has been awesome that is clear 
16:22:45 <plowsof11> fake xmr numbers / rushed proposal / 
16:22:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Where is the proposer 
16:23:01 <leito[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I'm here
16:23:14 <leito[m]> plowsof11: I would say more like baddly made than fake 
16:23:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hey leito, why would we fund comit stuff
16:23:23 <leito[m]> but I do agree that could have been better then 
16:23:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> At a'l
16:23:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> All*
16:24:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Atomic swaps is a nice buzzword, but comit (RIP) is terrible
16:24:57 <leito[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: it's the only project right now that is working and competition in general from the community is good 
16:25:39 <monerobull[m]1> leito[m]: Wrong
16:25:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Competition is basicswap 
16:25:40 <monerobull[m]1> BasicSwapdex works way better already 
16:25:43 <MajesticBank> next proposal?
16:25:51 <plowsof11> yes lets move on 
16:25:59 <plowsof11> [CypherPunk Radio](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/357)  
16:26:19 <plowsof11> they have posted an update / example finally at least
16:26:46 <plowsof11> cypherpunkradio.com
16:26:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> I still personally think radio is a hobby
16:26:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im neutral to negative 
16:27:09 <monerobull[m]1> If we get decent documentation to host all of it yourself I'd be positive 
16:27:38 <Rucknium[m]> One thing this proposal has in its favor is that it's cheap: 5 XMR
16:27:43 <plowsof11> the asking amount is low, and they seem to be a close knit community contributing to monero 
16:27:52 <MajesticBank> not possible to listen over website directly?
16:28:00 <plowsof11> the 5xmr would be reduced if/when they accout for current xmr prices
16:28:11 <monerobull[m]1> MajesticBank: Apparently not
16:28:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero archive taught me to remember that a scam is a scam
16:28:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1xmr and still ran away
16:28:38 <monerobull[m]1> Not only that, mokazino too
16:28:38 <plowsof11> no cant listen on the site xD
16:28:53 <monerobull[m]1> monerobull[m]1: We got code for that but i have no idea how to deploy it
16:29:21 <monerobull[m]1> So that's why I want solid documentation for this
16:29:46 <plowsof11> the problem is the comunity has sponsored xmr.radio once, it ended up dead, then ajs revived it again 
16:30:23 <plowsof11> but again, cypherpunk radio aims to be more than "just radio"
16:30:38 <plowsof11> assurance of solid docs noted 
16:30:47 <monerobull[m]1> Also, who listens to radio these days. Even if it reads out observer articles and reddit posts
16:31:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: Sounds like something ill never listen to 
16:31:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> These days, everything is on demand 
16:31:21 <monerobull[m]1> Id rather have an RSS feed and a YouTube playlist 
16:31:21 <plowsof11> i listed to yewtu . be videos 
16:31:22 <plowsof11> listen*
16:31:29 <Rucknium[m]> Monero Observer came after Monero Moon. And MO turned out to be much better. But yes I also worry that radio may not have much of a market
16:31:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> And I2p radio even less
16:31:57 <plowsof11> xmrradio had ccs money pumped into AND a full page of wishlist items funded
16:32:22 <plowsof11> average listeners topped 20? less?
16:32:22 <Rucknium[m]> It's not i2p-only, is it?
16:32:28 <plowsof11> now yes 
16:32:39 <plowsof11> but even when it was clearnet + live streaming site 
16:32:46 <monerobull[m]1> It's a fun idea but if we are being realistic, it's a total waste of funds
16:32:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: Id imagine 5 of those were themselves 
16:33:03 <plowsof11> 1 was me ;_;
16:33:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Was? WAS?!
16:33:32 <plowsof11> it was a phase i went through !
16:33:37 <monerobull[m]1> Yeah aren't you jacked into the i2p radio rn?
16:33:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Radio, and newsletters, are "go get em" jobs
16:34:15 <plowsof11> they can act on this and we can have a vote on the 14th?
16:34:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> And have potential to be massively profitable 
16:34:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just ask Alex Jones or Joe Rogan
16:34:31 <MajesticBank> yes, let's give them some extra time
16:34:39 <plowsof11> holidays and such 
16:34:48 <monerobull[m]1> There's not much to act on, the reality is, the viewership will be tiny to none :/
16:34:59 <ajs_[m]> top was about 30
16:35:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Right
16:35:09 <Rucknium[m]> I also think that they could get sponsors to run ads. The target audience is very clear
16:35:09 <ajs_[m]> now, about 5-10
16:35:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^ this is very clear but its so much easier to ask ccs
16:35:22 <ajs_[m]> streaming over i2p and tor
16:35:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> ALSO, they are sponsored 
16:35:32 <monerobull[m]1> Lol what 
16:35:43 <ajs_[m]> and only creative commons music
16:35:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> By cake iirc plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: 
16:35:53 <plowsof11> you mean lovera now?
16:36:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> I mean ntmth
16:36:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or am I wrong and they are not sponsored by cake? 
16:36:47 <plowsof11> i didnt know that ? btw bulletproof ++ author was hired by blockstream to (among other things complete the rest of their paper ) so thats nice / hopeful it will be available in a month(s) .. i hope 
16:36:57 <plowsof11> i dont think theyre sponsored by cake 
16:37:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Excuse me 🙏 im probably mixing up with someone else 
16:37:09 <plowsof11> right... 
16:37:14 <plowsof11>   d. [Create Educational Content in Spanish](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/366)    
16:37:29 <plowsof11> i asked about the cake sponsorship , however , 
16:37:48 <plowsof11> i am told that revealing such information is tricky 
16:37:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lovera on the other hand, is,  and doesnt need us
16:38:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Had a large viewershio across multiple playfortms 
16:38:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Including 20k+ on tiktok
16:38:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Subscribers*
16:38:38 <plowsof11> lovera has 5 videos per month sponsored by cake wallet, the problem is - how much is that earning? more than what we have to pay? less? does it matter if we dont get any more videos?
16:38:52 <plowsof11> i dont think we can be told how much cake sponsors them 
16:38:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: Thats nice
16:39:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: We can 
16:39:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Them and cake dont want to disclose, we dont fund them.
16:39:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> They made that decision when they accepted under the table funding 
16:39:32 <plowsof11> is this a deal breaker for anyone else 
16:39:37 <monerobull[m]1> Yeah wtf
16:39:56 <MajesticBank> Not sure we can demand such info, but not sure this is suitable ccs
16:40:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> We cant DEMAND anything 
16:40:24 <monerobull[m]1> *can
16:40:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> But were not obligiated to put food on their table if they dont want to offer up all the infos
16:40:35 <plowsof11> loveras outreach is great, and they make informative videos too 
16:40:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Simple as that.
16:40:46 <MajesticBank> last time we had problem with video content because it was not possible to audit it's work
16:40:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Either tell me how youre screwing me, or go screw yourself 
16:40:56 <MajesticBank> views, sharing
16:41:13 <MajesticBank> ccs work must be verifiable somehow
16:41:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> YouTube etc shows all of those metrics
16:41:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lovers was happy to say he doesnt make much off of the videos and show the YouTube income 
16:41:34 <plowsof11> lovera did disclose his youtube earnings <1$ xD
16:41:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> But wont show the cheque he gets from cake 
16:41:45 <Rucknium[m]> In 2021 Monerotopia/MoneroTalk CCS was approved even though Cake sponsors them. That was in 2021 however
16:42:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> That was before I was ready to stomp out fires
16:42:14 <monerobull[m]1> I can tell you guys that I've placed about 20 stickers in high foot traffic areas this week, do i get my 1 xmr now plz 
16:42:14 <plowsof11> this time cake wasnt mentioned in the proposal and i had to ask in the comments 
16:42:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> What about sgp's yacht fund 
16:42:49 <monerobull[m]1> monerobull[m]1: Someone has to pay for my drive to Italy to place them there
16:43:02 <plowsof11> only 1xmr? make a ccs - we have to pay 5xmr 
16:43:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> We can get a yacht and private jet, and YouTube shorts and outreach like top g
16:43:26 <monerobull[m]1> Now that you mention it, car depreciation should be considered as well
16:43:48 <plowsof11> ok so disclosing the sponsorship is a big deal / mixed feelings 
16:44:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cmon. Someone pay for my retirement
16:44:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> sgp: 
16:44:22 <monerobull[m]1> ofrnxmr[m]: Nah influencers rent fake yet photo sets. They need to actually act financially sound 
16:44:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> monerobull[m]1: Need extra funding right after leaving the lotn
16:44:39 <monerobull[m]1> * Nah influencers rent fake jet photo sets. They need to actually act financially sound 
16:45:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: Its always a huge deal
16:45:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is business 
16:45:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> You dont get to triple and quadruple dip 
16:45:11 <plowsof11> ok lovera should act on this for the 14th 
16:45:24 <MajesticBank> yeah, let's wait on this one
16:45:33 <plowsof11> we did tel johnfoss to be sustainable - and now we have someone who is sustainable but wants a ccs
16:45:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Go around telling every family member you need $500, then they talk to one another and find out they gave you 20k a'toherther
16:45:51 <plowsof11> ok lets move on to the next
16:45:54 <plowsof11>   e. [Empower Lebanon(and similar hyperinflated countries) to use Monero instead of fiat(educational and bartering platform/guerilla marketing/workshops)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/367)    
16:46:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: Be sustainable doesnt mean ask for donations. It means be sustainable 
16:46:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Aka, dont ask 
16:46:10 <monerobull[m]1> Ok enough trashtalk
16:46:22 <Rucknium[m]> IMHO, wwe shouldn't punish "success" exactly. But usually CCSes are funded at a level that the competitive market would fund something. So we would need to know total revenue before CCS to see if it's reasonable.
16:46:22 <monerobull[m]1> Oh that proposal, continue 😂
16:46:23 <plowsof11> i am ready to vote , but the proposer wants to change it and 'work on bitejo ' suddenly 
16:46:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rucknium:  thank you for the translation
16:47:20 <plowsof11> ive seen 2 images of stickers 
16:47:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Close
16:47:51 <plowsof11> i also say close on this one 
16:48:22 <plowsof11> the proposer is going to market monero to the masses (look at how the proposal looks)
16:48:22 <monerobull[m]1> Someone subsidized a package this week, he can order that for like 10$ and get ~680 stickers. It doesn't take freaking 500$
16:49:45 <monerobull[m]1> Isn't this just Afghanistan 2.0 but spirobel actually built a functioning website now
16:49:46 <plowsof11> does this scream developer / marketing wizard
16:49:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Likes their own proposal as well
16:49:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Close it
16:50:18 <plowsof11> spirobel yes, not only a website but has attended conferences 
16:50:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> It screams nsfw response from ofrnxmr
16:50:31 <plowsof11> and appeared on youtube channels discussing (among other things) monero
16:50:40 <monerobull[m]1> One jillion dollars
16:51:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Spirobel doesnt need to be mentioned here
16:51:26 <monerobull[m]1> If he does a spirobel style redemption arc we can discuss it again but as it stands it's not something we should consider at all
16:51:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> This ccs is a completely different approach, seemingly a lower goal and a more childish layout
16:51:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Spirobel's was simply naive and 100% impossible 
16:52:08 <plowsof11> use of markdown is advantageous 
16:52:14 <monerobull[m]1> ofrnxmr[m]: Have quite similar goals and spirobel is an example on how to do it right
16:52:27 <monerobull[m]1> * The proposals have quite similar goals and spirobel is an example on how to do it right
16:52:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> This one is something you bring to like.. wownero
16:53:08 <plowsof11> we need visionaries ! 😁
16:53:32 <nioc> I have visions 
16:53:39 <plowsof11> hi
16:53:54 <plowsof11> lets move on 
16:53:58 <plowsof11>   f. [koe seraphis library work 2](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/369)    
16:54:04 <monerobull[m]1> My vision is monerochan body pillows, can I get a ccs or do i have to save up my allowance money again 
16:54:20 <monerobull[m]1> > <@plowsof:matrix.org>   f. [koe seraphis library work 2](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/369)    
16:54:20 <monerobull[m]1> > 
16:54:20 <monerobull[m]1> Fund, no question 
16:54:47 <monerobull[m]1> * money again /s
16:55:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Move to funding 
16:55:52 <monerobull[m]1> Ok great meeting, see ya
16:55:53 <plowsof11> nice, yes. 
16:56:01 <Rucknium[m]> I asked koe if he would consider reversing the order of the tasks to have the paper edits be done first, but in #no-wallet-left-behind:monero.social  he said no. Anyway, I support as-is
16:56:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> At least he didnt lie to ya
16:57:09 <Rucknium[m]> So people know: The status of Seraphis is like a building that has had its skeleton laid. Now jberman, dangerousFreedom, and rbrunner are putting in the electrical wiring, etc
16:57:21 <plowsof11> lets quickly touch on some work groups - MRL ~ Ruckniums recent work on p2pool provided some tangible numbers of 'chain bloat' and such to push along the creation of 2 new issues 
16:57:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> New issues were old issues fwiw
16:57:54 <Rucknium[m]> But the structural engineers have not done the calculations to make sure the loads are safe. No one can occupy the building (Seraphis can't go to mainnet) without those calculations
16:57:57 <plowsof11> indeed, old issues but without Ruckniums recent work,  they would not have gained support right now 
16:58:03 <Rucknium[m]> And we would have to tear down part of the building if there are problems found with the current structure
16:58:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thanks ruck for putting numbers out there 
16:58:39 <plowsof11> https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/109 and https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/108
16:58:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monerobull knows what I had to say about it 😃
16:58:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> P2pool and chain bloat etc
16:59:06 <Rucknium[m]> Yes, people had talked about this for six months or more. I decided to finally run the numbers and they were higher than some people expected.
16:59:21 <monerobull[m]1> ofrnxmr[m]: I am forgetful sorry 😂
17:00:04 <plowsof11> also moneroevents - 80$ for a logo from fiver when we have gnuteardrops https://monero.observer/gnuteardrops-reaches-monero-graphics-milestone-100-designs/
17:00:20 <nioc> Rucknium[m]: thx, not higher than some people expected  :)
17:00:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> I stopped pushing p2pool once I noticed the increase in bad decoys and high fees and tx weight for consolidations 
17:00:25 <Rucknium[m]> Now you can run the numbers yourself: https://github.com/Rucknium/misc-research/tree/main/Monero-p2pool-Output-Stats
17:00:32 <monerobull[m]1> plowsof11: I believe we haven't heard from them yet
17:00:58 <plowsof11> they shold know the community appreciates their work and efforts 
17:01:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> One thing nobody has mentioned, js the increase tx size from considations significantly reduces the # if tx per block without bumping your fee rate
17:01:54 <Rucknium[m]> plowsof11: People (especially miners) should comment/emoji those issues. Development isn't decentralized unless more people give input.
17:01:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its possible for p2pool miners to accumulate outputs for a long period of time, then flood the network with huge tx as they consolidate 
17:01:54 <plowsof11> btw the monero atm page is actually a funding page. they want to raise 7xmr and are 25~% of the way already https://kernal.eu/~siren/monero-atm/
17:02:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nice
17:02:56 <plowsof11> AOB
17:03:19 <plowsof11> there will be an events meeting on the 14th too
17:05:16 <plowsof11> thank you all for joining , hope to see you next week on the 14th then back to every other week 
17:05:19 <msvb-lab> Thanks for the good meeting and grep moderation plowsof11.
17:06:20 <plowsof11> thank you msvb-lab!
17:07:26 <nioc> another meeting on the 14th?
17:07:34 <nioc> \o/ I <3 meetings
17:07:51 <plowsof11> im emotionally attached and need another asap 
17:41:28 <Stnby[m]> <monerobull[m]1> "I can tell you guys that I've..." <- We have placed at least a few hundred absolutely everywhere, there wont be a single person in whole country that hasnt seen them :)
17:42:22 <Siren[m]> Lithuania is absolutely plagued by the monero stickers
17:46:23 <jozsef[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "jozsef:  are you around to..." <- Sorry, I missed the meeting time. I cannot say too much more than I have already wrote here previously. On the technical side, I have tested the ip2 stream in the last couple of days a few times and while in the beginning it appears to be working pretty stable, eventually the buffer runs out and the stream stops. I'm playing the i2p stream using mplayer and with firefox too and the
17:46:23 <jozsef[m]> buffer keeps at a steady 40% in mplayer in the beginning but it gets empty eventually. I think some tuning might be needed. But it would be good if other folks could test it with i2p -- maybe the problem is with my setup. Not sure. On the proposal itself, I think it is ultimately the content that will decide whether it turns out to be useful and popular. I think personally, I would probably listen to it if there were a good
17:46:23 <jozsef[m]> selection of genre selections.
18:05:24 <RavFX[m]> MajetsticBank: Do you use the RBF feature when you send bitcoin after an exchange (like if you sends the coin with a extremely low fee because the blockchain was fast for some random reason)? Then if it take too much time, increase the fee of that TX? Or the customer have to wait half a day or more for the constipator to purge again to receive his bitcoin?
18:42:49 <monerobull[m]1> <Stnby[m]> "We have placed at least a few..." <- You guys are awesome 
19:17:50 <Lovera[m]> Hello guys, I missed the meeting! 
19:17:50 <Lovera[m]> To be honest I can’t understand how is the Cake Sponsor a problem to the proposal? I mean, I have proposed a job and the payment for it. I take that money so I can have more time to create Monero content, you can compare my work with other similar proposals and see the differences in the amount I.e how does it matter if you get even more videos ? 
19:17:50 <Lovera[m]> Any way I don’t have any problems to disclose that information… I will ask  plowsof 
19:58:29 <deboowop[m]> Hey can anyone tell me what math formula the client software is using to sign a transaction. The inputs are the nonce, transaction fee, transaction size and private key, but how does it combine those to create the signed transaction hash? or put another way, How would I sign a transaction with just a paper, pen and calculator
20:29:19 <Rucknium[m]> deboowop: Look at _Zero to Monero 2.0_ and _Mastering Monero_
20:34:58 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/105oamh/try_out_the_atomic_swaps_gui_on_mainnet/