01:11:46 <O[m]1> > <@kastur:matrix.org> The fact is that the wallet is old and unused for some time. The amount of moneroj there is not moon but not trivial. Albeit not from any illegal activity or something similar. I left it unattended for some time and would be more happy to have in a more guarded wallet. My stupid.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/ba8650b6535d80678322a9b9532f4b35ffe5c7c6>)
01:11:51 <O[m]1>  * maybe use TOR principle....
01:12:16 <O[m]1>  * maybe use TOR-like principle....
01:15:51 <alpharabius[m]> How many arabic dialects does the xmr site support 
01:16:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Go check
07:18:57 <h4sh3d> Ping to Reddit moderators, we have a post awaiting approval about Farcaster! (Posted by u/TechnoCoreAIs)
07:22:24 <plowsof11> dEBRUYNE^
07:22:34 <plowsof11> monerobull^
07:26:52 <monerobull[m]1> Approved 
07:30:12 <plowsof11> so quick, thank you! here is the post: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10dp1mw/farcaster_atomic_swap_node_gui_mvp_release/
07:33:20 <plowsof11> https://ui.farcaster.dev/
07:35:22 <plowsof11> i dont get the alien/galaxy story line but looks nice 
07:55:59 <plowsof11> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farcaster TIL
08:21:51 <monerobull[m]1> I want to host an escrow service but have no idea where to start. I can't just use woocommerce because i want to be able to host it on Tor too
08:38:50 <monerobull[m]1> Metronero was supposed to be the btcpay for Tor 😭
08:48:01 <plowsof11> woocommerce itself blocks tor? 
08:51:44 <plowsof11> was xmrsale supposed to solve your problem? https://github.com/xmrsale/xmrsale
08:52:48 <monerobull[m]1> plowsof11: No it just works really badly 
08:53:03 <monerobull[m]1> WordPress isn't made for tor
08:55:23 <monerobull[m]1> Hm, xmrsale requires JavaScript
08:56:45 <plowsof11> i notice a 'nojs' folder in BusyBoredoms acceptxmr https://github.com/busyboredom/acceptxmr 👀
08:57:28 <plowsof11> i just don't know how to use it :( 
09:02:23 <plowsof11> a demo here, looks ideal https://busyboredom.com/projects/acceptxmr 
09:35:52 <monerobull[m]1> Yeah looks great, no idea how to run it either
10:32:20 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Looks like rust?
10:55:25 <monerobull[m]1> Yeah but without documentation on how to deploy I'm lost
11:17:03 <plowsof11> imagine if we could throw xmrsale into the trash and offer the remaining 30xmr for acceptxmr  to be made noob friendly / sponsor some maintenance  
11:24:23 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://github.com/busyboredom/acceptxmr/tree/main/examples
11:24:23 <DanIsnotthemanBr> ?
11:24:59 <plowsof11> ?.rs 
11:44:24 <monerobull[m]1> <plowsof11> "imagine if we could throw..." <- You are the paid coordinator that never coordinates /s
11:45:00 <Siren[m]> <monerobull[m]1> "Metronero was supposed to be the..." <- metronero is on hold because we're working on a ATM that we are getting funding for
11:45:36 <monerobull[m]1> Don't worry, nobody would use my escrow anyways 
11:46:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tom would 
11:46:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> He'd also use rocador.app
11:46:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> And then complain 
11:46:50 <monerobull[m]1> Ok so maybe Tom actually used my referral 
11:46:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://matrix.to/#/!OhIACQDGLqSrxxwtWU:monero.social/$X_5adD8SiVtHoOdziFOpeqkI0WMQQZGEeo9hb4zsFj4?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=chat.dotmavriq.life
11:47:02 <monerobull[m]1> And it showed up a few days later
11:48:09 <monerobull[m]1> I'll have new monerochan merch in 24h if everything goes smoothly 
11:48:15 <Siren[m]> the doll?
11:48:43 <monerobull[m]1> No, that's still in production 
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11:49:33 <monerobull[m]1> It's the cheaper "i can't afford the doll" alternative 
11:50:07 <Siren[m]> how much is the doll going to be again?
11:51:35 <monerobull[m]1> Depends on final quality
11:53:59 <Siren[m]> can you preorder the plushie?
11:54:26 <monerobull[m]1> No, you can only sign up for an email notification
11:54:50 <monerobull[m]1> I don't want to be called an exit scammer if customs intercepts and shredds my dolls
11:55:00 <Stnby[m]> shittiest protocol for a crypto plushie
11:55:10 <Stnby[m]> * crypto plushie announcement
11:55:23 <monerobull[m]1> I don't even know how I'll do the emails
11:55:36 <monerobull[m]1> Is BCC save to put everyone's email in?
11:56:37 <monerobull[m]1> I won't give the emails to some email delivery service and i feel like protonmail bans me if i send +100 identical emails out
12:09:09 <plowsof11> animated videos update: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10e7pvv/new_monero_animated_videos_update/ 
12:11:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> I2p radio = closed 
12:11:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> <monerobull[m]1> "Is BCC save to put everyone's..." <- I believe so but email = I dont care about opsec
12:12:05 <monerobull[m]1> Still don't want to leak the whole list to everyone 😅
12:12:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Opensource
12:13:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> BCC prevents that, but I cant say whether its a perfect solution 
12:13:07 <plowsof11> i signed up with an alias don't worry (kinda shy about it - but i appreciate you respecting my privacy)
12:13:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Plowsof.. alias? You mean sockpuppet
12:14:12 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Fake plowsof
12:15:10 <DanIsnotthemanBr> 2ct email ring signature
12:25:54 <monerobull[m]1> <plowsof11> "i signed up with an alias don'..." <- I'll know plowsofs address 
12:25:55 <monerobull[m]1> But it will be like a ringct
12:27:22 <monerobull[m]1> When the doll order has a way higher anonymity set than a monero transaction 🗿
13:26:34 <Stnby[m]> monerobull: Don't think BCC will work, you have to comply with SPAM laws. aka have some sort of link etc. to cancel subscription and far more things like even your business address on the footer in some countries.
13:27:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> If the people are opt in, id use BCC regardless 
13:27:35 <Siren[m]> If I was doing something like this, I'd ask for matrix usernames instead and be hassle free
13:27:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> I know what you mean though. 😆 we used to do some illegal business via email and had to comply with spam laws
13:27:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> We used the to field back then. So that if anyone wanted to rat, everyone knew
13:27:59 <Siren[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: spamtec bandit
13:28:57 <monerobull[m]1> Stnby[m]: Laws lmao
13:29:27 <Stnby[m]> Also you have shitty spam lists that block everyone
13:30:22 <monerobull[m]1> It clearly stated you'll receive a singular email and then never be bothered again
13:32:37 <Stnby[m]> The shitty spamlists like spamhouse etc. Can see that you are sending a lot of emails, most of your emails will land at like 5 different smtp servers. Gmail, Outlook, Proton and thats probably about it
13:33:04 <monerobull[m]1> What's the best way to go about it then?
13:33:43 <plowsof11> RSS feed ftw
13:34:13 <Stnby[m]> comply with spam laws and use whitelisted services like sendgrid.com
13:34:30 <Stnby[m]> Or try to avoid email at all cost. RSS works !
13:34:39 <Siren[m]> Just use matrix
13:35:06 <monerobull[m]1> It's a one-time thing so i thought it would be alright
13:36:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tx extra 
13:36:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> .. jk
13:36:47 <monerobull[m]1> Siren[m]: I already have the emails though
13:36:56 <Siren[m]> Yeah too late
13:37:10 <Siren[m]> Message them from cockmail
13:37:37 <monerobull[m]1> Those have a zero percent chance if getting delivered, ever
13:37:42 <Stnby[m]> It might work for some. Just try to craft a legit looking email. There are some online guides
13:37:47 <monerobull[m]1> s/if/of/
13:38:04 <Stnby[m]> But yeah the unsubscribe thing is mandatory
13:38:41 <Stnby[m]> Which email provider are you using?
13:38:50 <monerobull[m]1> Stnby[m]: I'm just deleting the emails after I've sent it the announcement 
13:38:59 <monerobull[m]1> * I'm just deleting the emails after I've sent out the announcement 
13:39:26 <Stnby[m]> monerobull[m]1: SPAM scanners don't know about this. Add a fake unsubscribe form in that case
13:41:22 <Stnby[m]> https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business
13:42:47 <Stnby[m]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_spam_legislation_by_country
13:42:47 <Stnby[m]> It is such a mess
13:43:29 <monerobull[m]1> How do private emails ever arrive if it's so bad?
13:44:24 <Stnby[m]> monerobull[m]1: You don't send a private email to 5 different people at the same time. Those get flagged instantly also content of it is usually much different
13:45:52 <Stnby[m]> Its just gambling/luck
13:46:29 <Stnby[m]> marketing emails are often send not at the same exact time but at random intervals
13:47:43 <Stnby[m]> I know for a fact I would receive that email (because we maintain our own spam filter). So I don't have to worry. 😉
13:49:28 <monerobull[m]1> I'll just send 2 emails with half of the addresses in BCC each and announce on reddit/4chan a day or something like that later
13:52:42 <monerobull[m]1> I doubt they'll sell out within a day anyways
13:55:06 <Stnby[m]> How many will there be?
13:57:50 <monerobull[m]1> 100
13:58:01 <monerobull[m]1> Or more 99 bcs I'll keep one
15:41:07 <xfedex[m]> <monerobull[m]1> "I'll just send 2 emails with..." <- whats BCC? Isn't it the ticker of Bitconnect? I fail to understand how that's related
15:41:25 <monerobull[m]1> its a feature of email lmao
15:41:48 <xfedex[m]> monerobull: oh
15:41:54 <monerobull[m]1> when you CC someone, everyone can see the other email addresses youve sent to. bcc hides them
15:43:03 <BusyBoredom[m]> <plowsof11> "i notice a 'nojs' folder in..." <- Yeah AcceptXMR works great without js. I really need to dockerize it so non-rust-devs can use it, I've just gotta set aside a couple weekends 😅
18:24:27 <hardenedsteel[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "sgp:  we need proxy feature in..." <- https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet/issues/285
18:27:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet/issues/289
18:28:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> But more importantly 
18:28:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Can I get some feedback on my lastest video?
18:28:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=0ZK5WLU2lGQ&local=true
18:34:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> I have thick skin
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18:39:03 <monerobull[m]1> this thing looks very weird
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18:39:34 <monerobull[m]1> and also, everything will be moving right? right now with still images its not great 
18:39:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> I like it in the cage 
18:44:05 <ceetee[m]> Huh, thats not how I imagined your voice ofrnxmr
18:44:39 <ceetee[m]> I really appreciate you contributing content for once, instead of putting everybody else down as usual
18:46:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Well you'll ve disappointed to know that isnt my video 
18:46:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nor my voice, and im still at it
18:46:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🥲. Sorry
18:46:42 <ceetee[m]> I feel betrayed 😭😭
18:47:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its ok, at least now I know how you really feel about me 🎯
18:48:18 <kinghat[m]> needs moar xmr bewbs
18:48:35 <ceetee[m]> its a love hate relationship ofrnxmr
18:49:36 <ceetee[m]> you really need to balance your vibes
18:51:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Love hate sounds balanced
18:51:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> 0 to 100, I dont do 50%
19:02:58 <DanIsnotthemanBr> 0 to 1000* interweb way
19:14:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nah, im worse irl
19:15:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> gray_philip: 
19:15:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> I do not understand? 
19:21:32 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://monero.observer/cypherpunk-transmission-011-decoy-wallets-seed-offset-passphrase-monero-cli/
19:21:32 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I didnt know it had this
19:24:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> <gray_philip> "Join and message the admin for..." <- Sir, do not joking please? I do not understand
19:24:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> tell me
19:28:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sir
19:28:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Answer me 🤬
19:29:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> gray_philip:  I am very interested. I do nit understand sir
19:29:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> What is admin
19:29:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Answer me 🤬
19:33:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: 
19:33:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> gray_philip:  is making me angry. Please explode him 😡
19:33:42 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Do i need a 25 seed phrase?
19:35:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont know 😡. gray_philip:  if I give you my 25 words can I win
19:36:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> mundane baffles gadget popular inwardly aquarium onward illness agreed thwart trendy bootyhole piloted guide rapid hemlock dizzy upwards isolated recipe juvenile border cage mundane hairy
19:36:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Like that?
19:37:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> gray_philip:  wownero or monero seed? 
19:37:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Please help
19:37:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> What do i do
19:37:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Please, you can you send me dm
19:37:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> I have 300xmr and 0.25btc
19:37:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> I spent so much on it
19:38:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> I just want to get my money back
19:40:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not smart, please send me DM and help
19:48:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> My country no telegram
19:48:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Send dm
19:48:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> sgp: 
19:48:53 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Signal or gtfo
19:51:48 <RavFX[m]> Isent Treema better than Signal? 🧌
20:01:19 <Siren[m]> <gray_philip> "No" <- Maam how can I convert my 25 seed phrase to 24 just for u??
20:02:27 <xfedex[m]> gray_philip: my seed is:
20:02:27 <xfedex[m]> `used banner despair traffic speak girl tattoo later enhance roast sunset make tomorrow shrimp huge consider`
20:02:27 <xfedex[m]> restore height: 0
20:02:27 <xfedex[m]> pls help me
20:07:37 <xfedex[m]> noo why you banned him?
20:08:03 <xfedex[m]> i wanted him to lose half his life recovering seedphrase
20:09:46 <plowsof11> im restoring it, don't want him to steal my monteros!
20:09:51 <spacefreedom[m]> FYI if you guys are familiar with tornado cash, they are still running and also have a matrix server now under tornadocash.community
20:10:24 <plowsof11> link doesnt work, nice
20:10:43 <plowsof11> does* 
20:10:45 <xfedex[m]> kinda obvious that they are still running, and we can search up the official website by ourself, thanks
20:10:51 <xfedex[m]> s/ourself/ourselves/
20:11:38 <spacefreedom[m]> Ok cool, also is that wownero?
20:11:38 <xfedex[m]> spacefreedom[m]: No, it's Tornado Cash
20:12:10 <spacefreedom[m]> xfedex[m]: No, your pfp
20:12:10 <xfedex[m]> just kidding... it's a mix of xmr and wow
20:12:56 <spacefreedom[m]> xfedex[m]: I've read about them, the project seems very cool, I'll run a node soon, I think I'll just rent a VPS at some point and run both a monero and wownero node at the same time if it's possible.
20:13:05 <spacefreedom[m]> (Even though I am locally running as often as possible)
20:13:11 <xfedex[m]> spacefreedom[m]: Nice
20:13:12 <xfedex[m]> As long as you are not in the US it's fine
20:14:06 <spacefreedom[m]> > <@xfedex:matrix.org> Nice
20:14:06 <spacefreedom[m]> > As long as you are not in the US it's fine
20:14:06 <spacefreedom[m]> Shit like that makes me want to go to the US and see what happens.
20:14:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hey everyone
20:14:25 <xfedex[m]> wait wot, i just noticed tornado cash is not on coinmarketcap anymore
20:14:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> This room is bridged to irc, so using the reply funcrtion on matrix is a bit taboo 
20:14:42 <plowsof11> its f'ing illegal 
20:14:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^^
20:24:55 <plowsof11> (the reply function)
20:26:31 <monerobull[m]1> IRC is terrible 
20:26:43 <DanIsnotthemanBr> My xmr node is ofac compliant ;)
20:29:05 <georgezpalmer[m]> I'll help the community how earn $30k within 3 days and hours but you will reimburse me 10% of your dividend when you collect it. Note: only interested people should involve. 
20:29:05 <georgezpalmer[m]>   immediately
20:29:06 <georgezpalmer[m]>     @CEOPatelPalmer
20:30:05 <monerobull[m]1> He wanted to help us make 30k >:(
20:30:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fack. Plowsof is keeping the money for himself again
20:34:22 <plowsof11> the animated videos proposal is amazing, can't wait for the finished product "so I'm thinking of changing it from 1k per minute to 2k per video which would be roughly $400 per minute in result"
20:35:16 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Of all the communities this probably would be the dumbest place to try a money scam.
20:37:46 <BusyBoredom[m]> They probably just search for all crypto-related channels and post in all of them. Even the research lab channel gets this spam
20:39:37 <nioc> Confirmed: you can run monero and wownero nodes on the same comp simultaneously 
20:41:44 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Wasn’t someone looking for docs on running acceptxmr?
20:46:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Btw, that video i shared is part of a 400$/minuted ccs for animated videos
20:47:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Onlyfans is cheaper
20:48:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> But.. do you get this on onlyfans?
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20:48:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is on the official monero channel, for those who didnt notice 
20:49:40 <Siren[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> But more importantly... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/73664282324a0089438548829681369e792ce659>)
20:49:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate): its down from $1000/minute
20:49:51 <plowsof11> would be nice to funnel xmrsale funds into acceptxmr and give the community something useful / maintained, had an informal chat with busy earlier asking about what work / improvements can be done (to make it user friendly) - we also have the monero-wordpress proposal open for contributors to work on the remaining milestones 
20:49:59 <Siren[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: No fucking way this is the final product
20:50:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont think it is, but its not animated AT ALL
20:50:33 <plowsof11> don't worry Siren , i can explain 
20:50:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> The whole video is a bunch if still images of weird shit
20:50:38 <Siren[m]> It is an animatic, not an animated video yes
20:50:55 <Siren[m]> Animatics are still images but he did not render them properly 
20:51:03 <plowsof11> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10e7pvv/new_monero_animated_videos_update/
20:51:05 <Siren[m]> It's all very noisy
20:51:25 <plowsof11> im sure this explanation clears everything up 
20:51:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> I have no idea what that video is supposed to be
20:51:58 <Siren[m]> Yeah that tells me he has been probably getting assets off of somewhere else and that he doesn't know how to render or use blender extensively 
20:52:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> $1000/minute
20:52:44 <plowsof11> 5% is for the voice actor though so its not too bad
20:52:44 <Siren[m]> Bad part is I don't see any credits
20:52:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> I really am confused what the video is supposed to be 
20:53:41 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: Although it takes 10 mins to research how to denoise in blender
20:54:01 <Siren[m]> Don't let him get away with that video
20:54:15 <Siren[m]> Tell him to share the .blend file at worst
20:54:18 <Siren[m]> He needs to rerender
20:54:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its uploaded on monero YouTube 
20:54:46 <plowsof11> he realised he cant do it yesterday though, don't worry 
20:55:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2 weeks after the video he realized he cant do it
20:55:17 <DanIsnotthemanBr> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Dan (Is not the man & Braxman..." <- Show Boobs and sold
20:55:47 <Siren[m]> Why don't you pay me? I have better renders 😭
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20:55:58 <ceetee[m]> This is what I typed out before I realized that it wasn't ofrns work (at which point I didn't know the price tag, lol)... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/27dabe62609552e43901a207ef2632d1e46e491a>)
20:56:18 <ceetee[m]> That covers up to 1:20 I think
20:56:34 <ceetee[m]> And only the content, not the production quality
20:56:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why didnt you comment earlier :( 
20:56:53 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Lol
20:57:03 <ceetee[m]> s/it/people may not directly think its a scam/
20:57:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Was happy to tell me it was bad but not tell the truth?
20:57:09 <Siren[m]> Have you paid him already? 👁
20:57:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Pooing on your video
20:57:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats why im "different" than some of you. Ill say what I gotta say no matter who its about 
20:57:43 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Escrow
20:57:46 <ceetee[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: because you have the habit of shitting on everybody, even if they work for free
20:58:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Only willing to be honest if its mine or if its $400/hr
20:58:28 <ceetee[m]> I have no problem being mean to you, but if I'm mean to others I want to make sure I hit the mark
20:58:31 <Siren[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I didn't see this masterpiece before
20:59:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Excuse me? 
20:59:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> I shit on people who work for free? 
20:59:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> I shit on scammers, aka they dont work for free
20:59:26 <plowsof11> Siren no
20:59:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> ceetee[m]: Thats real honest of you 😆
20:59:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> I'm not mean to people, im just honest, always
20:59:46 <Siren[m]> Don't pay for that, take that money and go to fiverr
21:00:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> If your list of issues is "being mean", the world will never progress 
21:01:58 <ceetee[m]> ofrnxmr:  its not about this example, but in general. Again, if its paid we can demand quality, but I was thinking you were making fun of some poor contributor working for free and doing his best
21:02:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> If it wasnt for me, youd have kept your mouth shut and let stuff like this go for $2000 an hour
21:02:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> In an asshole because I expose nonsense 🐒
21:02:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> I definitely wasnt. And wouldnt.
21:02:26 <ceetee[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> But more importantly... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/cea380a6e2890df0fe470aa3e672de4b0c77e3d1>)
21:02:34 <ceetee[m]> s/paod/paid/
21:02:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> I didnt have to
21:02:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> I said it was unpaid and you were willing to tell me your thoughts 
21:02:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> I bring out the best in you
21:03:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Knowing its paid doesnt matter
21:03:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> If its 1xmr or 1000xmr, a scam is a scam 
21:03:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> If its me or plowsof, IR doesnt matter 
21:04:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its called being unbiased. So much bs goes on at a Hugh level because people are afraid to look bad by being honest
21:04:16 <ceetee[m]> If it was unpaid, by a person I didn't know and who was new to the community, I'd appreciate the fact that they tried
21:04:25 <ceetee[m]> ceetee[m]: no matter how their first submission turned out
21:04:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its on the monero channel ceetee🇧🇪: 
21:05:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> And you were happy to give ut to me straight if it was my first submission
21:05:08 <ceetee[m]> Why didn't you mention it was paid though?
21:05:13 <plowsof11> their original animations (which made me support this) where nice , and alot of popular youtubers use them in their videos 
21:05:14 <ceetee[m]> You could've just said that
21:05:36 <monerobull[m]1> Yeah the originals were 2d
21:05:42 <monerobull[m]1> Way better looking tbh
21:05:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because I question who actually made that video  
21:05:46 <ceetee[m]> s/?/?, you could've just said that/
21:05:58 <monerobull[m]1> Once again, 2d beats 3d
21:06:00 <plowsof11> indeed, now theyre trying frostbite3 engine quake remastered 
21:06:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anyway, no hard feelings ceetee
21:06:33 <plowsof11> DooM3 floating eyeball bag of meat 
21:06:39 <plowsof11> in a cage
21:06:39 <ceetee[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Because I fucking know you and I treat direct people with the same directness; how hard is that to understand?!
21:06:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: needs those comments though 
21:06:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> And it shouldn't take me playing games to get it out of you
21:07:22 <ceetee[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: same 🤝
21:08:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just frustrating that people complain that there is 4 oriole making decisions 
21:08:46 <plowsof11> the original 2d animations are used throughout this video https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7-aTYyEVlNk
21:09:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yup
21:09:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> So this latest video was shocking to say the least.
21:09:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> And I can be rather rude. 
21:10:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nobody else is going to say what needs to be said, so k had to ssl what you all though about my video, and preface with it that I have thick skin
21:10:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because. .. those responses are the same that you should ve telling the proposer. Whether it is $1 or $10000000.
21:10:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> This isnt a charity or some high school shenanigans 
21:10:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is a multi billion dollar currency
21:11:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> When we vote, vote like its important 
21:11:48 <plowsof11> i think its very kind of ceetee to give that constructive criticism earlier (i thought everyone had seen this video already)
21:12:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Whether I was a nice guy or an asshole, that is what I need to hear 
21:12:29 <plowsof11> enough for ofrnxmr to improve upon and impress us with the next version IMO
21:13:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> (What ceetee said about the video).
21:13:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> I need to hear direct SBD honest criticisms and appreciations of the work
21:13:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> I cannot improve if people are afraid to hurt my feelings 
21:14:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> .. and again, everything you decided not to say, was constructive
21:15:13 <plowsof11> could we maybe change the "eyeball bag of flesh in a cage" to maybe something monero related like 'a rotating coin' or something? otherwise not too bad (re-render it to remove the noise as siren suggested - and work on those errors ceetee pointed out and it shuld be ok)
21:15:32 <ceetee[m]> ofrnxmr:  if you want my honest opinion on quality, pls preface it with "This is paid work" or similar.
21:15:32 <ceetee[m]> Because I will not bash some poor kid trying his or her best for free (done that before, won't do it again); and I simply don't have the time to research the creator before every comment
21:16:24 <ceetee[m]> Give me a few minutes plowsof, I still have to review the last 30-40s
21:16:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> You wrote all of that
21:16:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> And then decided not to post it. None of it was bashing
21:16:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you want the kid to fail, your doing the right thing by not telling him yourbhonest opinion.
21:16:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> You have this weird idea in your head that I would ever come and try to burn someone maliciously 
21:17:16 <ceetee[m]> I was that poor kid once
21:17:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Never have I ever 🤔 at least not that I can remember.
21:18:19 <ceetee[m]> lol no, not in the monero community
21:19:39 <ceetee[m]> but it can be heartbreaking to see your work be torn apart by some idiot on the internet, although you did your best and have learned a lot in the process
21:19:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Give me some credit
21:20:09 <plowsof11> i remember being 14 and hosting services, looking for someone to take me under their wing and show me the way .. i was shunned.. laughed at, nobody believed in me, until i met a friend who was obsessed with hardware wallet seeds
21:20:16 <plowsof11> look at me now 
21:20:48 <plowsof11> look at me now 6 months later*
21:20:56 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Use 25 word seed phrases
21:21:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yall confuse malicious with honesty
21:21:12 <monerobull[m]1> ceetee[m]: Ok but not if we pay for it expecting the same quality as 4 years ago
21:21:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> The lying nice people get away with $100k exit scams. If they were more honest, like me, they'd get scrutinized
21:22:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org:  did I not tell you this was a major issue
21:22:31 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Cruel to be kind?
21:22:48 <Siren[m]> ceetee[m]: Reminds me of computer graphics class at university
21:23:21 <Siren[m]> PTSD inducing
21:23:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Honest, hard working slaves get scrutinized. Smile in your face, guilt trip scammers get away with whatever they want, regularly
21:23:28 <ceetee[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: thats the hate love, because feedback is crucial, but must be mild enough so that people don't stop trying.
21:23:28 <ceetee[m]> Once you accept paid work, you puppy protection time is over and you have to defend your work based on quality
21:24:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> No, puppy protection is dont before you get the job
21:24:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Done*.
21:24:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> You dont go to funding with puppy protection. 
21:24:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> You come to the table with it. You start the job knowing what you need to do. Not just fuck around for 3 years kn purgatory
21:25:01 <Stnby[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> But more importantly... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/4cbe160e7036513a1e063b48b3b96c7f64fd6687>)
21:25:09 <Stnby[m]>  * Looks AI generated honestly, at least the pictures
21:25:31 <Siren[m]> Looks that way because of fireflies and noise
21:25:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Id believe it.. doesnt seem like any thought was out into the choice of the images
21:25:42 <ceetee[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Done*.
21:25:43 <ceetee[m]> > 
21:25:43 <ceetee[m]> > You dont go to funding with puppy protection. 
21:25:43 <ceetee[m]> that's what I said
21:26:21 <Siren[m]> I kinda like how surreal it is
21:26:22 <Siren[m]> The animatic
21:27:11 <ceetee[m]> * thats the hate love, because feedback is crucial, but must be mild enough so that people don't stop trying.
21:27:11 <ceetee[m]> Once you (the creator) accept paid work, your puppy protection time is over and you have to defend your work based on quality
21:27:24 <plowsof11> i will make sure the feedback is passed on to savandra - they didn't have to say 'they realise they need help' - honesty is at least one step in the right direction - room for improvement 😁
21:29:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> And cmon, I cant draw anything
21:30:16 <Siren[m]> plowsof11: He should look into denoising and he can use PBR for things like coins to make them 3D.
21:30:54 <Siren[m]> for example that usd cent would have looked better if it were PBR
21:31:09 * ofrnxmr[m] uploaded an image: (25KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/monero.social/bmffZDsnUPIdZkuzBWgIAvyu/dopewallet_20220907191249.png >
21:31:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> I had this commissioned for me Diego Salazar: 
21:31:49 <hypervillain[m]> that's NFT quality
21:33:33 <Siren[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: you should definitely head over to https://opengameart.org/ take some character bases and make them into nfts!
21:33:43 <Siren[m]> and then submit a CCS proposal for that
21:33:44 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Support the artist. 
21:34:13 <ceetee[m]> plowsof @plo fuwsof:matrix.org: full feedback to the vid:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/fc58f6f56ce3b926e1a08a0528d911f74055f1ac>)
21:35:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> And if youre ever too shy to be rude, feel free to tell me and ill be rude for you ♥️
21:36:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Are you ceetee's alt too?!" Muhaha
21:36:40 <ceetee[m]> Also if this is paid work, that is supposed to be "official", basically the entire thing is problematic, because it is weird. The last thing merchants want is more risk and more uncertainty, and this video does exactly induce these feelings
21:37:07 <plowsof11> yes the eye ball bag of flesh looked sad in that cage
21:37:18 <ceetee[m]> Plus it offers zero help for the actual adoption part
21:37:26 <plowsof11> right
21:37:45 <Siren[m]> y'all don't get it he's using repetition as a rhetorical device when he says "adopt monero for your buisiness"
21:37:57 <Siren[m]> he's clearly trying to hypnotize the merchants
21:38:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> I get it, and I still scratch my head 
21:38:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Maybe im hypnotized 
21:38:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because now I want to adopt monero 
21:39:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Sir, do you understand"
21:39:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> yes.
21:46:32 <BusyBoredom[m]> It's a cool & memorable video, but yeah most of it is not actually super useful info for end users if that was the goal.
21:49:01 <nioc> it said twice that monero was free
21:49:07 <nioc> I want my free monero
21:49:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero is free
21:49:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> in your heart ♥️
21:49:50 <nioc> ofrnxmr[m]> And if youre ever too shy to be rude, feel free to tell me and ill be rude for you ♥️ <<>> sounds like a good business 
21:49:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> "I meant fee like freedom, not like free lunch"
21:50:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> It doesnt pay very well, but hey, it gets the job done