00:00:23 <revuoxmr> Revuo Monero. Issue 155: January 12 - 19, 2023. http://revuo-xmr.com/issue-155.html
00:23:54 <kowalabearhugs-4> It appears hashvault is now updating their block templates every 20 sec. Down from what previously looked to be ~50-55 sec. https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10gapp9/centralized_mining_pools_are_delaying_monero/j52n5uc/?context=3
00:30:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> How does this work when solo mining on monerod? 
00:30:47 <Rucknium[m]> kowalabearhugs-: Big if true. They had been updating about every two minutes. The histograms on my longer bog post tell the story: https://rucknium.me/posts/monero-pool-transaction-delay/#analysis
00:31:00 <Rucknium[m]> Hashvault has about 20% of total Monero hashpower
00:31:36 <Rucknium[m]> ofrnxmr: Updates once per second if solo mining: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10gapp9/comment/j52cwio/
00:31:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Btw, solo mining with monerod should delay no more than 1 second."
00:31:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> - hyc
00:31:51 <Rucknium[m]> kowalabearhugs-: We will see it in future data if it's true
00:32:50 <Rucknium[m]> There is a report that MoneroOcean will also update faster: https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining/comments/10gb98a/comment/j524qqf/
00:34:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Any thought on the idea of pools mining old blocks/txpools in attempt to reorg?
00:37:26 <Rucknium[m]> I saw that comment. I'm not sure, but I think it would just be a one-block re-org and the double-spend attacker would have to cooperate with a miner. The intended victim of the double-spend attack would have to accept a one-block confirmation for a large sum of XMR for the attempt to be worth it.
00:38:30 <alpharabius[m]> <Rucknium[m]> "There is a report that MoneroOce..." <- 60 seconds? That feels like a minute
00:39:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah, I was about to say, my brain is too tired to think deeply about it atm but similar sentiments right now
00:41:22 <Rucknium[m]> MoneroOcean allegedly said 30 seconds, not 60 seconds. 
00:41:55 * ofrnxmr[m] uploaded an image: (23KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/monero.social/ajJUTpPbuVKBJvbofrRVkBkp/cb5kqu9hwsvfajvq.jpg >
00:42:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah. Blocks are mined _after_ the next block is already ready 
00:42:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> P2pool essentially mining both blocks at once 
00:42:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Maybe p2pool is actusly creating 1/2 as many coinbase as we thought 🙂
00:43:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Er, half as many as it could have potentially been
00:44:41 <atomfried[m]> whats a good site to see the hash distribution of pools? i want to see from time to time how many % of thet total hashrate p2pool has
00:46:09 <Rucknium[m]> https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero  and https://p2pool.observer/
00:48:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also https://poolbay.io/crypto/23/monero
00:48:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Missing some or a pool though 
00:52:06 <xmrack[m]> https://minexmr.com/pools
00:52:07 <xmrack[m]> Has nice pie charts
00:52:26 <xmrack[m]> Nevermind. minexmr isn't updated anymore
01:40:54 <alpharabius[m]> <Rucknium[m]> "MoneroOcean allegedly said 30..." <- "Allegedly"
01:45:28 <alpharabius[m]> Thoughts on xmr switching to staking?
01:45:38 <alpharabius[m]> Is it possible or no?
01:46:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero-offtopic:monero.social 
01:47:25 <RavFX[m]> alpharabius[m]: scam
01:47:50 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Errrh
01:48:10 <RavFX[m]> Proof of scam is not the way to go
01:48:11 <RavFX[m]> plus how to you, you have to know... how much monero people have stalking for the proof of scam to work
02:00:46 <as2333> proof of scam is eco-nazi-friendly tho
02:04:54 <martin03[m]> <alpharabius[m]> "Thoughts on xmr switching to..." <- possible if the community wants to
02:04:55 <martin03[m]> i prefer proof of work , they run just fine and don't have issues like on PoS 
02:06:11 <martin03[m]> Monero is Asic resistant , so your worries about monero network controlled by rich people is absolute 
02:06:11 <martin03[m]> anyone can mine with their cpu
02:06:28 <martin03[m]> * Monero is Asic resistant , so your worries about monero network controlled by rich people is not going to happened
02:06:28 <martin03[m]> anyone can mine with their cpu
02:12:54 <RavFX[m]> Proof of scam just make is to the rich can buy it all and get most of the profit.
02:12:54 <RavFX[m]> Proof of work, monero style, require planing and work, not only money. And even if you are rich, it's harder to say fill a room full of CPU (that each need motherboard, ram, power supply...) than just buying as much coin as possible and forgetting about it.
02:30:21 <as2333> if monero becomes big, mining  will have basically the same problems/centralization that bitcoin has
02:37:54 <xmrack[m]> as2333: This is why the community has been pushing p2pool https://www.getmonero.org/2021/10/05/p2pool-released.html
02:41:38 <as2333> xmrack[m] yes, but the centralization pressure comes from the underlying economic system. For instance, economies of scale. 
02:47:39 <cryptogrampy[m]> almost everyone already has multiple monero miners... bitcoin miners require an increasingly expensive purchase 
02:49:10 <as2333> hm - you mean people have multiple high end amd cpus at home?
03:04:24 <xmrack[m]> Hyc mined monero using his cars sound system. You can mine using anything
04:38:04 <kowalabearhugs-4> <Rucknium[m]> "There is a report that MoneroOce..." <- Report confirmed; https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10gapp9/centralized_mining_pools_are_delaying_monero/j53p2v4/
06:39:25 <sech1> Rucknium[m] hashvault seems to update every 22 seconds now: https://p2pool.io/u/c095ec659c88a96d/image.png - see the timestamps and number of transactions for the last 3 jobs
06:39:56 <sech1> so they're already struggling with keeping up the pace - it takes 2 seconds to send the new job to everyone
06:44:13 <sech1> or maybe they have a timer that triggers every 2 seconds and there's an off-by-one error somewhere :D
06:49:21 <sech1> MoneroOcean's 30 second update confirmed: https://p2pool.io/u/b425a31a0ffeb211/image.png 
09:42:49 <plowsof11> thanks for keeping an eye on this and sharing, nice 
09:51:18 <rbrunner> Nice how fast things get on the move.
09:52:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> 👏 Rucknium: 
12:27:19 <Lovera[m]> Nice!! Thanks Rucknium 
14:14:46 <monerobull[m]1> Thank you rucknium, great work. Also thank you pool admins that have already adjusted their software 
14:28:24 <Rucknium[m]> Thanks, everyone :)
14:35:16 <xmrack[m]> For anyone interested in helping contact the pools, 5 out of the 7 still need to update their templates and confirmed by the community.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/72e601bfd7b2072c63ca6c0c96f4bda607b6ef34>)
15:47:47 <merope> <as2333> "hm - you mean people have..." <- You don't need multiple high-end amd cpus to be competitive. You can do your part even with a single cpu (as long as it's efficient enough - so we're still talking abour Ryzen, but even a R5 3600 will do)
15:48:51 <merope> With asics, you need to spend ~2k-10k$ just to buy a single one of the latest gen, so the upfront cost to enter the game is way higher
15:49:50 <merope> This is part of the reason why Monero's mining profitability is so much lower compared to other coins - you need much higher profit margins on asic-mined coins
15:52:47 <RavFX[m]> Just mine with the CPU you have
16:07:15 <sech1> The reason is people have CPUs already and mine with them, they don't even buy for mining
16:07:23 <sech1> so entry cost = 0
16:07:42 <sech1> because PC is considered a common household item these days
16:17:59 <xmrack[m]> <as2333> "hm - you mean people have..." <- You sent this message using a computer which is able to mine monero
16:33:52 <alpharabius[m]> You're not gonna make much profit
16:34:00 <alpharabius[m]> But ur helping le networm
16:34:07 <alpharabius[m]> s/networm/networc/
16:34:15 <alpharabius[m]> s/make/macce/
16:35:22 <rbrunner> Networm, what a nice typo :)
17:10:22 <alpharabius[m]> That's my new name now
17:10:23 <alpharabius[m]> Networm
17:31:52 <Disciiple[m]> Favorite cryptowallet among monero traders?
17:33:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> For desktop or mobile, iPhone or android 
17:33:56 <xfedex[m]> Disciiple[m]: monero-wallet-cli
17:34:21 <Disciiple[m]> Hardware wallet I mean
17:34:24 <xfedex[m]> or feather wallet
17:34:35 <Disciiple[m]> Im not storing jack on a linux pc lol
17:34:42 <Disciiple[m]> Desktops are garbage for security
17:35:13 <Disciiple[m]> xfedex[m]: Feather wallet you say?
17:35:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero-wallet-cli
17:35:57 <Disciiple[m]> Thats also local and not a hardware wallet unfortunately
17:36:07 <Disciiple[m]> Im looking for a hardware wallet to store keys 
17:36:27 <xfedex[m]> Disciiple[m]: If you want extreme security then use a paper wallet
17:36:48 <xfedex[m]> you can generate one with feather wallet (feather allows you to encrypt seed which is good for security as long as you remember the password)
17:38:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Disciiple[m]: So youre going to store it on a piece of hardware created a centralized entity that you dont control
17:38:08 <Disciiple[m]> Paper wallet?
17:38:09 <Disciiple[m]> s/garbage/bad/
17:39:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> And I wasnt saying use a hot wallet, more saying "probably never read getmonero.org"
17:39:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/securely_purchase.html
17:40:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org:  why does that still link to moneroaddress.org
17:41:04 <Disciiple[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Yes
17:41:05 <Disciiple[m]> Precisely
17:41:06 <Disciiple[m]> Im not in charge of red hat but I still use their software
17:41:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Disciiple:  dont use moneroaddress.org, use the GitHub download link 
17:48:35 <Disciiple[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "And I wasnt saying use a hot..." <- Whats getmonero.org
17:54:39 <plowsof11> ofrnxmr good find, totally forgot to check that we're not linking to that after it 'changed hands' 
18:23:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10h2fla/the_humane_society_which_im_a_board_member_of_now/
18:25:42 <Rucknium[m]> https://who.is/whois/hsicshelter.org doesn't give any red flags 🐶 🐱
18:28:09 <Morpheus[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10gyi70/new_btcpay_server_plugin_that_accepts_monero_and/
18:33:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Basically, if the store only accepts ABC coin we can still pay with monero (or whatever other coin trocador accepts)
20:34:00 <gingeropolous> did the matrix server go down?
20:46:11 <jeffro256[m]> I'm on Matrix right now
20:52:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> negative  ghost rider
21:05:34 <DanIsnotthemanBr> <jeffro256[m]> "I'm on Matrix right now" <- in*
21:06:19 <jeffro256[m]> Morpheus, quick! Give me the red pill
21:07:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> 💊
21:08:40 <Morpheus[m]> jeffro256[m]: Can you handle my red pill?
21:08:43 <Morpheus[m]> Haha
21:09:19 <jeffro256[m]> ofrnxmr That pill is half yellow. What are the yellow side affects?
21:09:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Do you trust me?
21:09:40 <DanIsnotthemanBr> like a house on fire
21:09:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> The yellow is just double strength 
21:10:38 <DanIsnotthemanBr> with half the side effects
21:12:12 <jeffro256[m]> The yellow pill is the same as the blue pill except you have extremely profound vivid dreams of life outside the Matrix, then immediately forget when you wake up
21:13:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nono, id never offer a blue pill
21:13:35 * plowsof11 wakes up and is an actor eating a delicious steak 
21:14:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Plowsof wakes up and hes helping shape a multi billion dollar industry
21:16:42 <DanIsnotthemanBr> WEF
21:24:54 <plowsof11> Davos
21:30:36 <Lovera[m]> Tomorrow meeting?
21:31:38 <plowsof11> none planned, normally it is one every 2 weeks (so next saturday) 
21:32:14 <DanIsnotthemanBr> conflicts with WEF
23:05:28 <gingeropolous> yeah i figured it out i think