00:06:46 <monerobull[m]1> Thank you to everyone who voted for me :)
01:33:01 <Morpheus[m]> Hey guys, just letting you know, we had to update our Trocador server today, so there might have been some instability on the service, but now everything is working again
04:25:17 <DanIsnotthemanBr> 110% uptime or ……. ;)
05:20:06 <johnfoss68[m]> Hey guys, a new issue of the Monero Moon is out. Cheers, John. 
05:20:07 <johnfoss68[m]> https://www.themoneromoon.com/p/the-monero-moon-issue-61
10:06:16 <blankpage[m]> The CCS video with the fleshy lovecraftian eyeball is terrible. Please don't let community funds be given to someone who thought this was a good idea to present, even as a first draft. Much better to recycle these funds (ideally with community consensus) than to have months of redrafting by the community. The newer update even implies the proposer will be outsourcing the actual work so what is point of such a middleman?
10:10:09 <blankpage[m]> "I'm looking to involve more professionals almost to the point of not really getting any profit from it" I.e. I will outsource the work to fivver until I get something which the community will accept for my payout
10:23:04 <plowsof11> not only a problem with the video side, but the script side of things blankpage https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10j3gn5/comment/j5i8ilf/?context=3 
10:23:35 <plowsof11> 10% of the funds are to be used for 'community sourced script management' (as per the proposal) , so 4.5XMR 
10:26:01 <plowsof11> but there has been alot of feedback already on script 1 that hasn't been acted on yet, but, others have noticed alot of problems with the scripts.  verging on re-writing them entirely for the person hired to do it
10:26:33 <blankpage[m]> What a complete waste of time/effort/funds
10:27:31 <plowsof11> this is what community sourced script management looks like https://github.com/moneroguides?tab=repositories
10:27:31 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Funding a anime?
10:27:38 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Monero MGM
10:30:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: I wish
10:31:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> AnimATED, but not anime
10:32:05 <blankpage[m]> Moneroguides videos are pretty good
10:45:20 <plowsof11> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/308
10:45:46 <plowsof11> JFC dsmlegend upvoted it 
10:46:48 <plowsof11> i was in the comments there, promoting / helping them advertise - as i assumed we would be getting the cool videos i've seen youtubers use in the backgrounds of videos with (100+k views)
10:46:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: Arebt they involved? 
10:47:05 <plowsof11> theyre making the scripts
10:47:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> And that movie ccs is cucked 
10:47:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> I guarantee its being forced through
10:48:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> nioc:  what do you think 
10:48:01 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Nfi why they would fund stuff like that
10:48:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because they probably were involved 
10:48:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> People commenting under multiple handles 😆😆, deleting their comments etc.
10:49:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> ceetee🇧🇪:  accused of being a sockpuppet
10:49:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is a proposal that seemingly has support nit needed from the community 
10:50:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Unless of course the reason for this is is because general fund plans to donate to it
10:50:38 <DanIsnotthemanBr> And someone makes a percentage on sales
10:51:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> If im being perfectly honest, its written like... the proposer us a full on pos
10:51:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Attacking anyone who doesnt agree with the scam 
10:51:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://twitter.com/vikrantnyc/status/1616152774856540166
10:52:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is a clip of a Netflix product placement
10:52:13 <ceetee[m]> <DanIsnotthemanBr> "Funding a anime?" <- A proposal I could get behind, but I think the guys from the event room might disagree 😂
10:52:40 <plowsof11> i was talking about the animated movie not the movie movie 
10:52:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: This is something that was clearly not ccs'd, and reached far more viewers than this video ever hopes to
10:53:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> And is a direct advertisement for monero 
10:53:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not some subliminal "use gold" ad
10:53:16 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I doubt it will impact people to use monero
10:53:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> The coin is gold
10:53:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> What kind of dumbass kid uses a gold coin in avending machine
10:53:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> facepalm
10:53:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Worst storyline evwr
10:54:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stolen from a news article, bastardized, and whored an M on a gold coin 
10:54:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Now pay me because ibhave good cameras 
10:54:14 <ceetee[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "ceetee🇧🇪:  accused of being a..." <- Hello I AM your sockpuppet, did you forget?!
10:54:31 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Here we use to glue 5cent coins together to make $2. Tricked the vending machine
10:54:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Like ok bud. When you come forth with the script and an offer, then we can look at it
10:54:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not paying for cryptobears song
10:54:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cryptobesr can come get paid directly for his services , which are much appreciated  
10:55:09 <DanIsnotthemanBr> He take 90% of money made
10:55:18 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/He/We/
10:55:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> * Im not paying George for cryptobears song (the only monero mention)
10:55:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: So -90000
10:55:56 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Over 9000
10:55:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its called "most movies lose money. Let me make money without writing a good story"
10:56:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Seriously thiugh
10:56:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you ad a 2 in gold looking coin and tried to jam it in a vending machine, u probably should drink the method 
10:57:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Meth*
10:57:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is this supposed to be a comedy? 
10:57:55 <ceetee[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "This is a proposal that seemingl..." <- I'm okey if it is a true 60% to 40% vote, by real people. I find it weird that I'm being accused of gatekeeping, when I am literally only stating my opinion and using my fair vote. This is how democracy works. If the majority still decides to go along with it, so be it.
10:58:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not 60/40
10:58:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> And ccs should ever be 60/40
10:58:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> No democracy on the web
10:59:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Like, I can make 10 socks.
11:00:16 <ceetee[m]> Real people = user names in active use in the community, that filters out bots
11:00:16 <ceetee[m]> True votes = only counting the votes cast by the real people
11:00:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> +I disagree 
11:00:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ceetee
11:00:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> You got called a sock
11:00:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> I got called a sock
11:00:40 <ceetee[m]> It is very hard to make fake accounts seem real
11:00:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> People were told to disregard out opinions 
11:00:49 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Oo
11:00:59 <ceetee[m]> So stressful for typing on this and the ofrn handle at the same time
11:01:07 <DanIsnotthemanBr> This is why we need skynet
11:01:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> True votes = real information 
11:01:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> And real honest oriole 
11:01:18 <ceetee[m]> And using different languages for that
11:01:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Random nobodies who dont follow ccs, I dont care what they have to say 
11:02:03 <ceetee[m]> * So stressful for typing on this and the ofrn handle at the same time
11:02:03 <ceetee[m]> And using different languages for that
11:02:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Majesticbank wants twitter and telegram voting so that he can help get garbage like comit swaps moved to funding 
11:02:18 <ceetee[m]> * (moved to previous comment)
11:02:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> The governance structure leaves the final decsion with a council
11:02:27 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Telegram clear text
11:03:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: *Fud text
11:04:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anyway.. if a proposal has blockers, IMO it doesnt matter how many people votes yes until the blockers are confirned as "valid" and addressed
11:04:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Instead, Ceetee in a sock and the comments there are clearly a campaign 
11:04:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Everyone knows "George"
11:05:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thus is monerotesla, after buying the Tesla, without the pitchforks 
11:06:34 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://www.securemessagingapps.com/
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11:06:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> OMG its (not) monero
11:07:27 <ceetee[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: people disagree on what is a blocker
11:07:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://mcoinnetwork.com
11:07:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is the main actor
11:08:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is a blocker 
11:08:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> No Monero, no money
11:08:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Any honest person want to disagree?
11:09:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> 14k for gupax 
11:09:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> 25k for a cryptobear music video 
11:14:09 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10jl8ae/nfts_on_monero_layer_1/
11:14:09 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Fckn nfts
11:14:22 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Good for drug dealers
11:15:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Too long, no way im reading
11:16:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> If I want an nft, ill buy bitcoin 
11:18:34 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://monero.observer/ora_pro_vivis-looking-feedback-lumo-xmr-wallet-app/
11:18:34 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Is there any reason why you would display your primary address?
11:21:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> A store who wants customers to recognize the address 
11:22:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> A sub works, but a sub is no different from the main address. 
11:22:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> An integrated address works, probable better for a service that is trying to keep logs
11:25:38 <evalda[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> A sub works, but a sub is no different from the main address. 
11:25:38 <evalda[m]> > 
11:25:39 <evalda[m]> > An integrated address works, probable better for a service that is trying to keep logs
11:25:39 <evalda[m]> Is there any privacy benefit for using a sub address on cryptoexchange vs primary address?
11:26:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Aside from using an "alias", no
11:31:52 <evalda[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Aside from using an "alias", no" <- Thanks! What is an alias in monero? I assume it's different from subaddress?
11:33:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im revering to subaddresses as an alias for the main address 
11:34:46 <evalda[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Okay so is using an alias (being subaddress) and better for privacy vs main address when exchanging monero from BTC on a cryptoexchange?
11:34:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Like have email aliases 
11:35:03 <evalda[m]> s/and/any/
11:35:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> One inbox, multiple addresses
11:36:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not for breaking btc linkage. But for YOU linkage
11:37:01 <evalda[m]> I suppose if you use the same monero address multiple times on cryptoexchanges they can link together all those transactions... Is that it?
11:38:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Right. If you give the same address to multiple entities they can link together your activities
11:38:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> If it is an exchange, you dont even have to use Monero. They know address 45fnfbd..  belongs to John Doe who also has a kraken account with the same address
11:39:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> And then swap sites all know "this monero is going to John Doe. This address is attached to a kyc account" or "this address is associated with this ip/emailaddress/genersl location"
11:41:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> So just to stop or limit address correlation
11:41:48 <evalda[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Nah I mean no-KYC cryptoswappers like ChangeNow and friends... No John Does here
11:43:04 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Jane doe?
11:43:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> ..... changenow doesnt even allow tor
11:43:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> So Jeff Smith I guess 
11:45:11 <evalda[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: They very well do... Just need a bit of patience
11:45:46 <evalda[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: That's how they call me 💃
11:46:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> 👀 must have changed recently, I can confirm its working now
11:46:52 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Easier to hide in trocador
11:47:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Unless you use tunnel 😝
11:48:08 <evalda[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: Thanks, will check it out
11:48:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Trocador.app
11:48:58 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Or
11:48:58 <DanIsnotthemanBr> http://trocadorfyhlu27aefre5u7zri66gudtzdyelymftvr4yjwcxhfaqsid.onion/
11:49:36 <evalda[m]> Anyone had success with peer-to-peer exchanges?
11:50:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Such as bisq and localmonero?yes
11:51:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or you mean atomicswaps?
11:51:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Basicswap seems good
11:51:59 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Gonna try localmonero but they kyc bank account transfers
11:52:51 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Yeah going to build k3s and try basic swap, monero node
11:53:06 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Have to find that css proposal for k8
12:03:49 <evalda[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Such as bisq and localmonero?yes" <- Bisq and friends
12:07:16 <ceetee[m]> <evalda[m]> "> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> A sub..." <- Can aid plausible deniability in certain scenarios.
12:08:20 <evalda[m]> ceetee[m]: Thanks! Can you please elaborate or link?
12:12:20 <ceetee[m]> Simple example: if you rarely buy on a KYC exchange, and at some point in the future laws change and government investigates people who withdrew XMR, you can claim that you've created new wallets for each tx, and deleted them when they were empty
12:12:25 <ceetee[m]> You can't say that if you reuse the same address over and over
12:12:52 <ceetee[m]> Other possibilities depend on your creativity
12:14:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> TIL:
12:14:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Unless you support scam proposals, you are a gatekeeper and/or a sockpuppet 
12:15:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Jk. I learned that a long time ago
12:15:51 <ceetee[m]> To be a gatekeeper you need the power to gatekeep
12:16:03 <evalda[m]> ceetee[m]: Thanks! I think I understand... So if you only fund a monero wallet in a single transaction, spend it over multiple transactions and then start over with a new monero wallet... Using a main address should be the same as using a subaddress, right?
12:16:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> YOURE NOT ALLOWED TO VOICE YOUR CONCERNS, SOCK
12:16:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> This discussion thread is for us to force through our proposal, not for you people to get in our way
12:17:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> evalda:  dont mind me, im speaking on another topic!
12:17:58 <ceetee[m]> * To be a gatekeeper you need the power to gatekeep
12:17:58 <ceetee[m]> And I'm not a mod in any room, forum or organisation. That's why I can freely voice my opinion; and should use that freedom whenever I see fit.
12:18:03 <evalda[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I thought so 😹
12:19:09 <ceetee[m]> evalda[m]: nono, you can use the same wallet and generate as many subadresses as you need. BUT and outside observer won't know its the same wallet, and you can claim whatever you need or want
12:19:22 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Crazy person
12:19:40 <ceetee[m]> * nono, you can use the same wallet and generate as many subadresses as you need. BUT an outside observer won't know its the same wallet, and you can claim whatever you need or want
12:19:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Janus attack is deeper. new wallet only safe way to ENSURE plausible deniability
12:20:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> But for regular folks, subaddresses is good enough 
12:20:34 <ceetee[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: Who 👀
12:20:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Meeee
12:20:58 <DanIsnotthemanBr> ☝️
12:21:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> The shoe fit, so I wore it
12:21:31 <evalda[m]> ceetee[m]: Thanks!
12:21:46 <ceetee[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Good mention, you should use that to separate your sock puppets from your main account. That's why both ofrnxmr and me have our own wallets
12:22:02 <ceetee[m]> * Good mention, you should use that to separate your sock puppets from your main account. That's why both ofrnxmr and me have our own wallets
12:22:13 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Or is it crazy if its true
12:22:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> If me and ceetee both use the same wallet, but different subaddresses, a skilled attacker can confirm that we are indeed the same person 
12:24:10 <evalda[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: That's what I do (new wallets) out of ignorance... Hehe
12:24:36 <evalda[m]> It's easy and quick anyways
12:29:52 <plowsof11> can i just double check if we align with Hollywood/the oscars as a community? we are all about that right? fame and such 
12:30:23 <plowsof11> also anyone anyone who uses an alt should have their opinion disregarded
12:35:12 <Siren[m]> but we are all ooo
12:38:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> So no votes allowed
12:38:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bollywood*
12:38:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> 38mins is 2 episodes.
12:39:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> In hindsight, maybe he should have put a Z on the coin
12:39:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> They'd give him 100k
12:39:29 <ceetee[m]> Siren[m]: I fucking wish
12:39:40 <ceetee[m]> but no, I'm only ct :(
12:39:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ceetee confirmed to be ooo
12:39:50 <Siren[m]> That's what ooo would say
12:41:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: A little CG and he can switch that around
12:41:23 <ceetee[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: They would've sued for defamation, considering that they sued some community guy for selling stickers
12:43:04 <ceetee[m]> * They would've sued for defamation, considering that they sued (or treated with sueing, don't remember) some community guy for selling stickers
12:43:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> I cant tell you the last time I watched a 38minute, Spanish movie based on a news report  
12:46:25 <ceetee[m]> not my fault that you are not an intellectual
12:47:19 <Rucknium[m]> Has anyone brought up the fact that the movie would have to be released under a Creative Commons-like license to be CCS funded?
12:47:23 <Rucknium[m]> > All work must be licensed permissively at all stages of the proposal. There is no time where your work can be licensed under a restrictive license (even as you're working on it). Your proposal will be terminated if this is not remedied.
12:47:32 <Rucknium[m]> https://ccs.getmonero.org/what-is-ccs/
12:50:54 <ceetee[m]> No, and I wasn't aware of the rule
12:53:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> <Rucknium[m]> "Has anyone brought up the fact..." <- Been keeping my mouth shut
12:53:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Since its a secret video 🙈
12:53:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Watermarked, low quality screener on the way, rofl
12:54:26 <Siren[m]> Is there a trailer?
12:54:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> No
12:54:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> There is a GIF though 
12:54:53 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Lol
12:55:40 <Rucknium[m]> I don't see a good reason for this to go through the CCS. If Vik wants to fund it, he can fund it without the CCS process.
14:29:48 <plowsof11> everyone who is suggesting the movie might not be a fit for the ccs are sock accounts and il advised 
14:30:04 <plowsof11> if you're not famous i dont care what you have to say
14:30:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Noted.
14:30:18 <plowsof11> a/s
14:31:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bunch of gatekeepers. I say we YOLO every ccs and if they arent fully funded in 3 days, just take the funds and give to the sgp yacht fund
14:31:54 <plowsof11> (im feeling angry because someone has misplaced my usb cable, i hope everyones day is going better)
14:32:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> I heart the yacht has an M on it 
14:33:16 <MajesticBank> I am still at lovera ccs, had to check his youtube channel in details so determine does it make sense to receive ccs funding
14:34:22 <MajesticBank> so beside it's feel like sponsored channel content quality level is not that perfect and feels basic in terms of video presentation
14:34:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Off the top of my head, Lovera has a couple YouTube channels and a tiktok with 20k+ subscribers 
14:36:01 <MajesticBank> would be good to see some stats from youtube, from just checking the videos it just felt on lower tier level, compared to mental outlaw and similar
14:40:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> The loveraxmr monero channel averages 100 views 
14:41:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> (On the high end)
14:41:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Most are under 100
14:44:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lovera covers stuff like dero on the main channel 
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14:47:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also appears majority of views come from non-monero videos
14:48:17 <sech1> Why are they all "shocked" on thumbnails?
14:50:50 <plowsof11> thats just 'how to have a successful YouTube crypto channel' 101, can't blame em for that xD
14:51:20 <sech1> It doesn't seem to help much
14:51:24 <plowsof11> laser eyes and OMG ( red arrows intensify )
14:51:53 <plowsof11> whatever the "algorithm" on yotube is - alot of the bigger channels follow this thubnail formula 
14:52:38 <plowsof11> its dumb but, yeah 
14:53:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dero moon tings
14:53:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Scamcoin lol
14:55:01 <xfedex[m]> DERO is super-reliable
14:55:13 <xfedex[m]> they hardfork without announcing anything first
14:55:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> sgp:  take note. We need a headshot of "shocked sgp"
14:55:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> They DO announce, in obscure places a couple hours in advance 
14:56:20 <xfedex[m]> also dero has 1 second block time and 3 KB transactions
14:56:22 <xfedex[m]> it takes more to sync dero blockchain than monero 
14:56:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> They also do cross "chain swaps" as network upgrades.
14:56:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Something go wrong? Send us your atlantis dero and we will send you Stargate deto
14:56:40 <xfedex[m]> i forgot to say that dero also has 50% premine
14:56:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> 100% premine
14:57:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> At the time* 
14:57:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Maybe 50% if total emission?
14:59:37 <xfedex[m]> Oh, and not only they use unaudited version of bulletproofs and unaudited homomorphic encryption, the ECC dero uses is also low security (less than 100 bits of security against the 128 bits seen in Bitcoin and Monero)
15:00:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Homomorphic encryotion? Hardly 
15:00:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> They also wrote Atlantis from scratch (monero written in go)
15:00:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> They invented stuff, that they stole
15:01:11 <plowsof11> i like when hyc and sech talk about deros randomx thing lol
15:01:21 <plowsof11> or how they call it 'bad' 
15:01:34 <plowsof11> they as in dero* funny 
15:01:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dero got attacked with their new mining algo
15:01:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Had to do a no notice hard fork 
15:01:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sometimes people are lucky nobody uses the chain!
15:02:15 <xfedex[m]> Dero doesn't want to switch to RandomX because it's not written in Go
15:02:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dero claimed we attacked them 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
15:03:27 <xfedex[m]> > Secure and fast crypto is the basic necessity of this project and adequate amount of time has been devoted to develop/study/implement/audit it.
15:03:27 <xfedex[m]>  Source: deroproject/derohe
15:03:56 <jamesreid[m]> I'll help anyone interested in how to earn $30k within 3 days and hours but you will reimburse me 10% of your dividend when you collect it. Note: only interested people should involve. Contact my user @isheilabillyinvest immediately.
15:05:05 <xfedex[m]> jamesreid[m]: are you trolling or you are a scammer?
15:06:24 <michaelizer[m]> That was fast
15:06:31 <plowsof11> profile pic shows they have a laptop AND a wide view monitor  with graphs on, that means they make money
15:08:13 <michaelizer[m]> <Rucknium[m]> "Has anyone brought up the fact..." <- I haven't seen the movie but just read all the comments on the proposal and nobody mentioned this, this looks like one of the main impediments for me 🤔 am I missing something?
15:09:25 <plowsof11> Rucknium makes a good point, i didn't realise, and no, not brought up 
15:12:26 <Rucknium[m]> Am I the only one who RTFM around here? :P
15:13:17 <Rucknium[m]> Precedent: https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20211107#c44859
15:17:45 <erembax[m]> Does anybody know how the coin selection algorithm works with the CLI/GUI wallet? I can't seem to find much information online.
15:18:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> afungible @afungible:matrix.org: 
15:50:58 <nioc> ofrnxmr[m]: you want my opinion for a CCS that is not even in the ideas section, I am rarely on red it if that is where things are happening   
15:51:10 <nioc> your comment about it being set up for a donation from the GF, or something like that, is in a word, silly, not happening   
15:51:22 <nioc> Rucknium[m] has a good question about licensing which needs to be answered , thx for reading the manual  :)    
15:51:39 <nioc> also another comment about the structure, being that the second milestone may not be reached due to it's requirements it seems that this should be broken into 2 CCSs with the second being created if the first is successful  
15:51:42 <nioc> this has nothing to do with whether or not it should be approved 
15:52:39 <Lovera[m]> Good question about license Rucknium … I think this is the main problem here I think 
15:52:46 <nioc> wait, am I famous?
15:53:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> nioc:  my comment about donation to gf, was that on the Oscars ccs?
15:54:08 <nioc> I believe so
15:54:25 <nioc> throwing things to see what sticks I suppose  :)
15:55:21 <nioc> wait, I thought I was the senile one here  :(
15:56:54 <Lovera[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "56jn7tjwywopww5o.jpg" <- If you understood Spanish and could watch those videos, you would know that the recommendations are (mining and changing to Monero) my channel has content about mining and at that time Dero was more profitable than Monero and many people asked for that type of content. Stop being pessimistic if you don’t know anything about me. Only the people of Monero in Spanish really know what my content
15:56:55 <Lovera[m]> is about… 
15:57:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Probably someone else commenting from my account again 😝. But let me see if I agree.
15:57:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> > 50% upon qualifying for the Academy Awards, as described above.
15:57:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> No qualify = no completion = donation to GF, no?
15:57:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lovera @btclovera:matrix.org:  dero haedforked on no notice due to a 61% asic attack 
15:57:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yet you promote people mining it?
15:58:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> They sold their testnet (Atlantis) and then did chain swaps into Stargate.
15:58:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dero is an unintentional memw
15:58:53 <nioc> This is a proposal that seemingly has support nit needed from the community 
15:58:53 <nioc> Unless of course the reason for this is is because general fund plans to donate to it
15:59:13 <nioc> ofrnxmr[m]: ^^ your message, guess I misinterpreted it a bit
15:59:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> General fund plans to donate to it, and be refunded 
15:59:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> I smell monerotesla and some of these donors are using ALTs (and dont know about notifications?)
15:59:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> nioc:  nope. Spot on 👍
16:00:46 <nioc> the first 3 people to comment and/or vote were all neg with one being created just that day,  I have not looked in a couple of days
16:01:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^^^ this isnt a fact****
16:02:41 <nioc> is it just how git displays the "contributers"?
16:03:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> * Sorry irc.
16:03:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> "General fund plans to donate" isnt a fact
16:03:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Donors are using ALTs" is a fact 
16:03:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> ceetee🇧🇪:  isnt new
16:03:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> And its not his first time commenting on a ccs 
16:03:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> He's my sock though 😂
16:03:42 <nioc> I never use an alt, unless I forget login details and I become niocc  lol
16:03:56 <Lovera[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Probably someone else commenting from my account again 😝. But let me see if I agree.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/1a8b6f84d2a3d7f6fde20360df53fa09c538d9a9>)
16:04:19 <plowsof11> the proposal was posted with positive blurbs/comments from several known persons 
16:05:01 <plowsof11> i think i was one of the 3 who commented first? or maybe - i don't want to discourage people from posting if they have a negative opinion though 
16:05:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Who were allowed to watch the video in secret, for free 
16:05:36 <nioc> I will now go do some other more useful monero work that will forever be unknown  :)
16:05:38 <nioc> .bbl
16:05:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> And know him by first name 
16:05:46 <plowsof11> the proposal was presented - with several positive comments already built in 
16:05:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ofrnxmr just gets to throw tomatoes from the street 
16:06:57 <plowsof11> i have nothing bad to say about the movie 
16:08:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> The movie itself is likely fantastic 
16:09:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or at least, extremely well done. I trust the reviews
16:09:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> But.. wen monero?
16:10:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Secret open source closed door production with secret audience before proposal was opened 
16:10:40 <plowsof11> the movie was posted with 6 positive comments built in 
16:10:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Savandra fucked up. Why did they show us scripts?
16:11:01 <plowsof11> and 3 negative comments appeared, big deal 
16:11:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> They could have finalized the project and then come to ccs to ask for money
16:11:39 <plowsof11> i dont even know if im part of the 3 , 
16:11:40 <plowsof11> i assume so 
16:11:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> My vote is disregarded because im a sock, so 4=3
16:12:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Really 4=1/0
16:13:41 <plowsof11> for loveras proposal - they are now transparent in the proposal about their cake sponsor / 5 videos a month and such, is it now out of our hands for donators? i am certain that people who donate will receive "educational content in spanish" unlike the ones who donated for animated videos 
16:15:10 -xmr-pr- [meta] Rucknium opened issue #786: Monero Research Lab Meeting - Wed 25 January 2023, 17:00 UTC
16:15:10 -xmr-pr- > https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/786
16:20:16 <Lovera[m]> I also post it in Reddit (Someone had asked) 
16:20:16 <Lovera[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/znl9mo/new_ccs_proposal_create_educational_content_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
16:57:36 <ceetee[m]> <nioc> "the first 3 people to comment..." <- Hi 👋 sorry for not formally introducing myself earlier. As I mentioned, I commented on John Foss's proposal before, don't know why that doesn't show up
16:58:14 <nioc> ceetee[m]: yes you have commented on CCSs b4
17:00:01 <nioc> and ooo uses a weird name there
17:00:08 <nioc> I mean ofrnxmr[m] 
17:00:16 <ceetee[m]> <plowsof11> "i dont even know if im part of..." <- The you, monerobull and me were explicitly mentioned by midipoet; ofrnxmr doesn't couldn't apperantly, maybe there are already custom ublock rules matching his name :p
17:02:24 <nioc> again haven't looked in days so no idea what the state of drama is
17:03:05 <monerobull[m]1> The state of the drama is apparently that Plowsof, CT and i should become the ministry of arts
17:03:27 <nioc> plowsof11 is an art?
17:03:55 <monerobull[m]1> Nono, we form a council that will rule over what art deserves funding and which doesn't 
17:04:32 <ceetee[m]> lmao
17:04:34 <nioc> I was questioning his qualifications  :D
17:04:45 <ceetee[m]> monerochan anime in 3, 2, 1
17:06:10 <plowsof11> i am not a movie buff / have zero movie directing experience, i have seen the movie and left an opinion and now im "part of a coordinated effort to destroy the future of monero" 
17:06:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> You ARE the coordinator 
17:07:09 <plowsof11> if thats what the "3 quick negative comments" is referring to (as if this is a planned attack)
17:07:25 <monerobull[m]1> plowsof11: First time? 💀
17:07:28 <nioc> no you were not 1 of the 3
17:07:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Midipoet names plowsof, Monerobull, Ceetee 
17:08:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Named*
17:08:26 <nioc> took me a bit b4 I realized that ct was ceetee and whatever ooo's name was there
17:09:05 <plowsof11> the proposal is yet to hit the ideas page (due to technical difficulties) so those who receive email notifications see the proposal 
17:09:06 <plowsof11> or here from the notification bot
17:09:06 <monerobull[m]1> Or RSS feed (thanks for pointing that out CT)
17:09:38 <plowsof11> i / others offer an opinion (and im in the fortunate/unfortunate position of having seen the film so oooo look at me with secret knowledge (i hate that) 
17:10:19 <monerobull[m]1> I think midipoet didn't like how i asked to see the movie
17:10:44 <monerobull[m]1> I wanted to make it sound polite but didn't want to say please twice and now it reads kinda weird 
17:11:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> After the discussion I invite everybody to cast their votes here on GitLab, where we can easily weed out meaningless votes of sock puppets, like @nope and @nahuhh . I say this as a 2.5 year long Community Member, contributor of multiple branches into Monero and donator of this and other competitive proposals.
17:11:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> @johnfoss67 During the meeting, I also give you full right to ignore voices of other sock puppets of the same person, namely (in the order of the given sock puppet's freshness): ofrnxmr, 123ooo123*, w & wfaresussia or any other new sock puppets that the kid will start to contrive until the meeting, because right now I'm giving him enough time to do just that.
17:11:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Did I forget any of the sock puppets, @anon , a.k.a. Perfect-daemon?
17:11:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> nioc: 
17:11:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just some of the socks of ooo
17:13:23 <ceetee[m]> where is this section from, ofrn?
17:13:40 <monerobull[m]1> We should turn the ccs into a DAO where one guy with 80 million tokens gets to decide every proposal 
17:13:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Previous monero moon ccs 
17:22:20 <Siren[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Probably someone else commenting from my account again 😝. But let me see if I agree.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/718d7d7940b9919a324331d797ef8c464d4dfb65>)
17:22:28 <Siren[m]> I think it's ok to give some funds to a indie movie that features monero, though
17:22:39 <Siren[m]> As long as it portrays monero in a good light
17:23:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think we need to be able to watch the movie, and the movie needs to be released in full quality with an open license 
17:23:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or else its DOA!
17:23:56 <Siren[m]> Yeah it gotta have an open license 
17:24:21 <Siren[m]> I wish there was a teaser out there
17:24:28 <Siren[m]> Or trailer
17:24:34 <Siren[m]> Not just a gif
17:25:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> There are multiple licenses involved 
17:25:24 <Siren[m]> How does that work?
17:25:40 <Siren[m]> Is it like different cuts under different licenses?
17:25:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Composition (script), recording (film), contracts/royaltyies (cryptobears song), 
17:25:55 <Siren[m]> Oh hmm
17:26:53 <plowsof11> trailers can be deceiving 
17:27:16 <Siren[m]> Pics look good so far
17:27:38 <plowsof11> the quality of the film / production is top class, it "is a movie" 
17:27:47 <Siren[m]> We could learn more about the production quality etc if there was a trailer
17:27:53 <Siren[m]> plowsof11: Is it?
17:28:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> $650/minute and its much much better than what we've seen from the animated videos
17:28:09 <plowsof11> yes , its an actual "movie looking movie"
17:28:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> In my imagination.
17:28:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im voting with my imagination. I heard there is a strip club with Monerochan
17:28:36 <Siren[m]> plowsof: have you seen more of it than what's publicly available?
17:28:43 <plowsof11> the director has an imdb and has predocued other films of the same prodction qualitu
17:28:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
17:28:51 <Siren[m]> Or I'm missing something and there's more footage or material
17:28:52 <plowsof11> produced* quality 
17:29:01 <plowsof11> i have seen the entire film yes
17:29:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> VIPS and expected Yes voters only pls
17:29:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Jk. Monerobull just got a copy
17:29:54 <Siren[m]> Haha let's invite monerobull for a movie night in kernal
17:29:59 <Siren[m]> :))))
17:30:36 <plowsof11> the quality / production is not an issue (well made) - from my point of view - better than some things ive seen on netflix
17:30:47 <Siren[m]> Netflix is trash
17:31:09 <Siren[m]> Do you guys know about "teh scene"?
17:31:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> The issue is, imo, that Netflix's plug was far more direct, and free(?)
17:31:32 <Siren[m]> https://archive.org/details/Teh.Scene
17:31:46 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: Production quality is trash but it's amazing series
17:32:20 <Siren[m]> I'd be ok with the monero movie as long as it's enjoyable but with trash production you can still have nice content
17:32:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its great pruduxtion with a summary that sounds terrible to me
17:33:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> tried to use gold coin to buy soda, fails, so drinks meth. Rip
17:33:40 <Siren[m]> Let me read that again lmfao
17:34:26 <monerobull[m]1> its tried to use gold coin to buy soda, some dude tells him "dude thats like... hacker bitcoin", gets robbed, drinks meth. Rip
17:34:43 <Siren[m]> Oh shit lol
17:35:16 <plowsof11> jokes aside though, its based on a true story, 16 year old smuggling 2 bottles of meth - the border agents are laughing as he takes not 1.. but 4 sips to prove its just apple juice and he died late
17:35:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dumbass 
17:35:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> He had a gold coin!
17:36:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oh wait, the true story has nothing to do with abusing  16 year olds death to promote Monero 
17:36:59 <Siren[m]> Yeah I don't like the synopsis personally 
17:37:10 <Siren[m]> But maybe it will appeal to normies
17:37:25 <monerobull[m]1> and we use that story to... shill monero?
17:37:41 <plowsof11> yo ucan see the real footage 5 mins into this report https://yewtu.be/watch?v=DkVm76c880U
17:37:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nah
17:37:56 <plowsof11> this is why i mention legal concerns because the movie adds audio and malicious intent (which was disputed in court)
17:38:13 <monerobull[m]1> ofrnxmr[m]: what i wanted to say
17:38:25 <plowsof11> we can "see" the drink gesture .. and laughing - but legally - he took sips voluntarily (as per the deposition)
17:38:40 <plowsof11> but the movie states otherwise - and medical help is specifically refused 
17:38:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Nah" > that news video is so cringe
17:38:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why would anyone want to see a 16 year old drink meth
17:39:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> I watched it and then wondered why i just watched it after reading the title 
17:39:27 <Siren[m]> I still don't like the fact that there's a gold monero coin? And this kid didn't search the interwebz to see what it was
17:39:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dark yellow bottles, lmao. Looking like hes drinking piss
17:39:35 <plowsof11> 6 mins into the video**
17:39:41 <Siren[m]> But whatever movie logic
17:39:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Siren[m]: He tried to put it in a vending machine 
17:39:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lucky fucker that it didnt fit
17:39:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Then he gets robbed rofl
17:39:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lmao
17:40:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hhaahaha 
17:40:57 <Siren[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: If it looks golden you don't do that 💀
17:41:44 <plowsof11> "they seem to encourage or at least permit" him to drink it - in the movie - the officers specifically tells him to drink
17:42:00 <plowsof11> and "shld we get medical?? NO detain him"
17:42:19 <plowsof11> is this a legal issue? i do not know 
17:42:38 <monerobull[m]1> different topic, everyone can be part of the ETH trusted setup
17:42:41 * monerobull[m]1 uploaded an image: (303KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/gcGsZtPYYcSvQYIiXEZRXYRI/grafik.png >
17:42:48 <monerobull[m]1> i am now basically just like snowden 
17:43:10 <plowsof11> unless i see a video of edward snowden involved in the trusted setup im not interested
17:43:46 <plowsof11> are you saying that there's a chance he is?
17:44:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: Its a legal issue for the family as well...
17:44:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> You cant just use the likeness of real people 
17:44:40 <Siren[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Oof yes
17:45:33 <plowsof11> if im in court saying he took the sips voluntarily and a oscar winning movie comes out showing i told him to sip and i refused medical support?
17:46:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Omgomg
17:47:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is this 24/25
17:47:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Ill make ledger employees drink meth"
17:47:23 <plowsof11> this is NOT about a bade trade or production quality 
17:47:29 <midipoet> i have been pinged twice but from reading the scrollup, i can't see much that i need to directly respond to?
17:47:39 <plowsof11> do we understand?
17:47:55 <Siren[m]> Did it have a cyberpunk vibe to it at least?
17:48:12 <Siren[m]> It's ok as long as we won't get called out for shilling monero over this real event 
17:48:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> midipoet: I think were just talking _about_ you 😝
17:49:42 <plowsof11> no cyberpunk vibes (cryptobears song features and i did see booby it strip club)
17:50:26 <midipoet> I guess thanks then. But look, i named three people as they had very similar criticisms of the proposal. Namely, that there should be a vetting process to determine what should be classified as "approved" outreach material and what shouldn't. This is specifically complicated given any artworks that are doubling up as outreach. 
17:50:28 <monerobull[m]1> midipoet: yeah matrix pings by default if someone just mentions your name
17:51:49 <plowsof11> you offered a strawman midipoet 
17:52:13 <midipoet> This film will more than likely be released as is, regardless of attributing Monero CCS/Community directly to it. So there will be an association whether or not we "approve" it (with inherent risks). 
17:52:21 <plowsof11> 'believe these 3 trolls' or 'save the future of monero' simple decision
17:52:35 <midipoet> if that's your perception of the situation, so be it. 
17:52:51 <plowsof11> who would believe the 3 trolls? 
17:53:12 <midipoet> why are you purposely reducing my argument to that?
17:53:19 <midipoet> Seems slightly underhanded 
17:53:21 <plowsof11> in my comment did i acknowledge feeling uneasy offering an opinion on something weve all not seen? offering an opinion that is subjective? 
17:53:45 <plowsof11> i found your framing of the entire thing underhanded also 
17:53:57 <plowsof11> "simple decision" believe these 3 gatekeepers OR put it to funding
17:54:10 <midipoet> If you want a meaningful discussion, have it. But don't waste my time reducing my position to some narrative that portrays people as victims. 
17:54:46 <Siren[m]> Who are the 3 gatekeepers?
17:55:09 <plowsof11> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/371#note_20485
17:55:15 <plowsof11> im talking about this comment
17:55:21 <monerobull[m]1> but you reduced my position to being an evil person that gets off on stopping people from following though on their dreams and aspirations or something along the lines
17:55:24 <midipoet> There arent three gatekeepers. i just named them as they criticised the proposal on very similar themes
17:55:39 <plowsof11> a simple choice 
17:55:48 <midipoet> monerobull[m]1: with all due respect i didn't tag you an evil person
17:56:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why didnt you tag me though :(
17:56:09 <Siren[m]> "After hearing how "Monero" isn't even said once by the characters but "Bitcoin" is, I personally can't support this proposal." If true very valid reason to not support
17:56:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im the gate
17:56:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> They just keep me
17:56:28 <plowsof11> if you dont support it then you are anti monero 
17:56:31 <ceetee[m]> midipoet: yeah, and other people have applauded the proposal for similar themes?
17:56:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im a racist too
17:56:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Damn spaniards
17:57:05 <midipoet> plowsof11: it is a simple choice. Either we (as a community) write guidelines about what is and what isnt "good" outreach material, or we let the community decide themselves. 
17:57:09 <plowsof11> nobody had to have their authority challenged after offering an opinion
17:57:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not a gate, ITS A WALL
17:57:28 <plowsof11> "as a community " but you specifically name the 3 "trolls"
17:57:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> #MAGA
17:58:01 <plowsof11> its alot different 
17:58:16 <Rucknium[m]> midipoet: This CCS also is incompatible with the written CCS rules: needs a permissive license
17:58:20 <Siren[m]> I don't think we should call people who regularly provide feedback and opinions on proposals gatekeepers
17:58:39 <plowsof11> let these 3 negative trolls who are going against everything good in the world be the gatekeepers??? OR 
17:58:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah, while were all making noise, lets leave it at DOA because of rucks comment. Period. Any questions midipoet: 
17:58:49 <Siren[m]> Yes they draw attention but that's because you don't have many people who provide feedback all the time
17:58:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> I just threw down the wall with some explosives 
17:59:12 <plowsof11> in the context of that ccs proposal comment - i am a "negative" troll offering "il advised" opinions 
17:59:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Can we invite George here 
17:59:43 <midipoet> Rucknium[m]: that seems a fair criticism. Someone should write on the proposal and ask the poster to define a strategy for an open licence. 
17:59:43 <plowsof11> as per your comment midipoet 
17:59:44 <plowsof11> so the choice is simple as you put it 
17:59:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> License or DOA, is the main question 
18:00:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> midipoet: The movie is finished and you cant just change the license post production 
18:00:13 <plowsof11> will you quote them and state that its il advised to raise concerns over the license 
18:00:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> There were many licenses tat were established during the production 
18:00:29 <Rucknium[m]> can't you change the license if you are the copyright holder?
18:00:39 <Siren[m]> If they don't have the license they're violating the written ccs rules 
18:00:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not if the movie contains other licenses 
18:01:12 <Siren[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: They will need to reach out to the owners of other material
18:01:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ie, script writer might own composition, the camera studio might own the raw production, and the distribution company might own the master 
18:01:16 <Siren[m]> It's possible
18:01:24 <chesterfield[m]> This ccs is worse than project coral reef
18:01:25 <chesterfield[m]> Can we trade this ccs for metronero
18:01:33 <midipoet> ofrnxmr[m]: huh? He is the writer, director and producer. Am fairly certain he can also propose an open distribution licence (happy to be corrected if incorrect). 
18:01:46 <Siren[m]> They most likely can 
18:02:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> So the credits list him him as the doing everything aside from acting? 
18:02:49 <monerobull[m]1> chesterfield[m]: at least we had Monero as the sole cryptocurrency accepted by the official fortnite store
18:03:03 <midipoet> ofrnxmr[m]: am fairly sure he would be the IP/copyright owner 
18:03:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Again, happy to be corrected - these things are not facts that I am aware of, only questions / complete blockers if the case
18:03:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> midipoet: In production there is multiple licenses in play.
18:03:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Music itself has multiple.
18:04:11 <midipoet> lets step back for a second. Honest question...If we reject this proposal what does that mean for anyone who thinks about creating something like this in the future? Movie, visual art, music, etc
18:04:31 <monerobull[m]1> midipoet: if the generalfund donates a single piconero, i will literally make a tutorial on how to pirate this movie in particular, voiced by monerochan
18:04:46 <midipoet> monerobull[m]1: this isn't about the GF
18:04:46 <monerobull[m]1> * single piconero, and its not openly distributed,i will
18:04:50 <monerobull[m]1> * single piconero, and its not openly distributed, i will
18:04:59 <Siren[m]> I was thinking of some sort of a scenario where you have this person whose bank transfer gets caught in the bank's automated fraud regex filter because that happens in real life. If you write things that contain isis or other blacklisted keywords in the substring for example, they will harass you. And that person gets in trouble, has a moment of enlightenment and starts using monero.
18:05:24 <monerobull[m]1> i think i read somewhere that the GF will donate? maybe i have imagined it
18:05:32 <chesterfield[m]> midipoet: This person already created something 
18:05:38 <midipoet> monerobull[m]1: i haven't read that 
18:05:45 <chesterfield[m]> He’s just asking for marketing money
18:05:50 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: I know people getting fucked over this real hard like losing months worth of salaries.
18:06:39 <Siren[m]> I will now make this into a movie
18:06:52 <midipoet> chesterfield[m]: ok. So someone creates some artwork that features monero, and then asks to see if the community will help market it. The precedent is now no, correct?
18:06:55 <plowsof11> they can discuss an idea with the community (e.g. the proposor is an actual movie director with proven talents)
18:07:35 <plowsof11> "lets make an advert and get it played at the superbowl" yeeehawwww
18:07:38 <chesterfield[m]> midipoet: Correct
18:07:39 <midipoet> plowsof11: yes. This is what this proposal basically is. The discussion. 
18:07:55 <chesterfield[m]> Community gets nothing out of that ccs
18:08:08 <chesterfield[m]> It’s going to get marketed regardless
18:08:13 <chesterfield[m]> He didn’t just make a movie for it to sit in a box
18:08:32 <midipoet> chesterfield[m]: right. well  if we have agreed that the precedent is no. I, personally, do not agree.
18:08:42 <plowsof11> i don't feel like discussing when i specifically state being uneasy about offering a subjective opinion and now im a gatekeeper anti monero troll
18:08:52 <chesterfield[m]> He should also use a budget and allot for a marketing if he’s making a film
18:09:15 <chesterfield[m]> Why does community have to subsidize someone’s lack of budget skill
18:09:22 <Siren[m]> chesterfield[m]: True
18:10:09 <chesterfield[m]> If he had a very concrete outreach/viewership figure that could be checked before distributing funds, then sure maybe that would be better
18:10:25 <plowsof11> im not negative about the movie itself - its really good , the director is amazingly talented and has involved monero in their project 
18:10:38 <chesterfield[m]> But this reeks of the absurd zcash marketing outreach proposals
18:10:51 <Siren[m]> plowsof11: At any given point does he mention the name Monero or explain what it is?
18:11:30 <Siren[m]> Just showing a golden coin with an M on it isn't good outreach if the viewer doesn't even know what it is
18:11:38 <chesterfield[m]> If Monero is successful, it will be mentioned in media without any need for ccs
18:11:39 <Siren[m]> They might believe that it is a made up currency for the movie
18:11:55 <midipoet> chesterfield[m]: and saying the community gets nothing, is not true. The proposer has offered a MoneroKon screening (something we have spent cumulative hundreds if not thousands on since we started doing events). They have offered logo placement, website link placement, and some other related exposure. Its "intangible" admittedly, but it's not nothing. 
18:11:56 <plowsof11> the muffled "mo nero" from cryptobears song is in the back ground while cocaine sniffing and tits are on screen (i doubt any watcher is going to be actively listening to the lyrics) 
18:12:08 <plowsof11> apprently 14 times monero is mentioned here*
18:12:09 <plowsof11> but none of the charcters specifically mention monero
18:12:16 <Siren[m]> Then that's bad
18:12:39 <plowsof11> one says something like do ya know what this is dumbdumb? its like bitcoin but untraceable.. you're probably ric
18:12:40 <plowsof11> rich*
18:12:43 <plowsof11> and then scene continues 
18:12:50 <midipoet> chesterfield[m]: this reeks of absurd marketing? Where you not around for the Elon Musk CCS?
18:12:51 <chesterfield[m]> Sorry but this is just dumb.  I get that he has helped with Monero means money, but that doesn’t make it a good ccs proposal
18:13:04 <Siren[m]> I can't fathom why did those people like Vik left positive reviews
18:13:07 <chesterfield[m]> midipoet: Also dumb 
18:13:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> midipoet: Smells the same to me
18:13:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Exceptz they teslas were bought already 
18:13:35 <plowsof11> sniffing coke, strip club tits, mo nero song in the back ground 
18:13:48 <midipoet> ofrnxmr[m]: thank god we have gatekeepers and non hostile discussion before this moves to funding required stage then!
18:14:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Right?
18:14:09 <midipoet> Completely 
18:14:09 <plowsof11> exactly 
18:14:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Which need discussion if it isnt open source 
18:14:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its called noise 
18:14:33 <midipoet> But as a lesson, can you three produce the guidelines for outreach material
18:14:38 <MajesticBank> It is kind of weird that proposal is opened after movie is finished      
18:14:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Which 3 
18:14:48 <plowsof11> see? you said "as a community"
18:14:49 <midipoet> And also propose guidelines for what specific references are and are not allowed
18:14:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im still inviz
18:14:55 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: Because look, let's assume the viewer doesn't know about Monero. They will most likely assume it's a fictional (even worse, physical) coin that was made up for the movie.
18:14:55 <Siren[m]> And now let's assume the viewer is familiar with cryptocurrencies and would like to paint us in a bad light: They're using a real event that caused a 16 yo to die from meth overdose to shill Monero.
18:14:56 <plowsof11> and now "the 3 trolls must produce the guidelines" lol
18:15:02 <plowsof11> you;re doing it again 
18:15:06 <midipoet> And also propose a code of conduct for anyone thinking of referencing Monero
18:15:13 <midipoet> And get artists to sign it.
18:15:25 <midipoet> Just so we have all bases covered 
18:15:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Midi is confused, 
18:15:40 <plowsof11> im offering a subjective opinion and now im a gatekeeper 
18:15:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> No open source, no ccs
18:15:55 <plowsof11> you're offering a strawman 
18:16:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im offering a fact 
18:16:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> The movie doesnt even plug Monero 
18:16:19 <Siren[m]> MajesticBank: Perhaps these people whose positive reviews were quoted in the proposal knew about the movie way before and were already funding it. But had issues with managing the budget, and now here we are asking the general fund.
18:16:22 <plowsof11> either these 3 trolls can assign themselves as the head of outreach or STFU and fund it SIMPLE
18:16:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Would Pepsi pay for brown fiZZ WATER
18:16:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Its better than cocacola!"
18:16:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Sponsored by Pepsi"
18:16:52 <Siren[m]> > <@siren:kernal.eu> Because look, let's assume the viewer doesn't know about Monero. They will most likely assume it's a fictional (even worse, physical) coin that was made up for the movie.
18:16:52 <Siren[m]> > And now let's assume the viewer is familiar with cryptocurrencies and would like to paint us in a bad light: They're using a real event that caused a 16 yo to die from meth overdose to shill Monero.
18:16:52 <Siren[m]> The movie night be good but I don't think it does us justice in terms of marketing and outreach
18:16:52 <midipoet> plowsof11: so you want to lean on a normative judgement of what does and does not move to funding (specifically referring to HOW monero is referenced) and yet you dont want to formalise it. Well that's just fantastic.
18:16:57 <plowsof11> i ask that you let people offer their opinions, thats all 
18:17:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Midi, I think you mean ne
18:17:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Me*
18:17:20 <midipoet> Its us
18:17:30 <midipoet> We are making this decision. Don't you get that?
18:17:32 <plowsof11> why dont the poeple offering positive opinions formalise it?
18:17:35 <MajesticBank> Monero is gentleman's currency, we don't need movies referring to monero in any other way
18:17:46 <plowsof11> why must the "3 trolls who nobody cares about" formalise it?
18:17:58 <midipoet> This is literally where we make a prefedent about creative artworks that are having the audacity to ask for community support. 
18:18:07 <midipoet> We are deciding to not allow it to pass through 
18:18:12 <plowsof11> is it because you're offering a strawman?
18:18:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> 5 trolls
18:18:12 <midipoet> Cause of reasons
18:18:12 <plowsof11> hollywood / oscars .. fame????
18:18:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org:  they are active on gitlab
18:18:16 <plowsof11> is this our ideology 
18:18:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Can you invite them here 
18:18:30 <plowsof11> you talk about moneros ideology . tell me about hollywoods
18:18:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> midipoet: Because it has nothing to do with monero 
18:18:46 <monerobull[m]1> but the oscars
18:18:48 <Siren[m]> midipoet: I'm sure even if we don't merge and fund it, it will still go through
18:18:53 <Siren[m]> He already made it
18:19:06 <plowsof11> hollywood / oscars / fame Monero is a perfect fit 
18:19:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> A self described money pit, that needs money to try to go to the Oscars? Lol the Oscars? 
18:19:38 <Siren[m]> plowsof11: Realistically it will not even make it into a local city/region viewing, festival or awards
18:19:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Isnt that where will smith slapped Chris rock? 
18:19:52 <Siren[m]> But that's ok
18:19:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Siren[m]: Maybe in south Texas 
18:19:57 <Siren[m]> As long as it's enjoyable
18:20:11 <Siren[m]> But I certainly think that it's not a good outreach material 
18:20:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> And actually does something for Monero 
18:20:20 <Siren[m]> And potentially dangerous for us
18:20:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Id love to pay for the latest movie about rowboats, with the M ship
18:20:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> But wtf does it have to do with monero? Who watches 38 minute (paid?) videos ? 
18:21:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Spanish, with Subtitles,
18:21:21 <Siren[m]> How did he have funding for his previous movies?
18:21:25 <Siren[m]> Budgeting didn't go wrong?
18:22:56 <midipoet> plowsof11: we don't formalise it, because the CCS was meant (from my understanding) to NOT be an overly formalised or normative process. It has a handful of rules, and that's it. 
18:23:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah
18:23:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Open source or die
18:23:19 <plowsof11> completely 
18:23:30 <plowsof11> but the negative people trolls must now formalise it
18:23:50 <Siren[m]> Knowing how CCS works they can dismiss all of our opinions
18:24:29 <plowsof11> why would i want 5 sock accounts to formalise anything? put that to funding asap
18:24:35 <midipoet> ofrnxmr[m]: imo, the open source licence stipulation is one the only valid criticisms here. 
18:24:41 <plowsof11> anyone with a negative opinion is being hostile 
18:24:56 <plowsof11> il advised 
18:26:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> midipoet: Mhn
18:26:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its a hard and fast blocker 
18:26:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> So fuck your gate, respectively 
18:26:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> My wall is better 
18:26:42 <plowsof11> i wouldnt say the only valid criticism 
18:27:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dont need gatekeepers or strawmen
18:27:25 <plowsof11> for example, is it 100% that the film qualify?
18:27:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> No,
18:27:46 <plowsof11> the only valid concern , i thought this was a discussion
18:27:48 <midipoet> plowsof11: i stated that the risk of getting sued (seriously?!?!) and the judgement of the quality of the "product placement" are ill-advised. 
18:27:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> If film no qualify, 12k > general fund 🚀
18:28:15 <plowsof11> illadvised about being sued? why?
18:28:20 <plowsof11> have they cleared it with the legal team?
18:28:48 <midipoet> plowsof11: i literally started the sentence with "imo". Is that now not allowed?
18:28:49 <Siren[m]> If I were the family of that dead kid I'd most likely sue anyone involved in that movie
18:28:50 <plowsof11> he took sips voluntarily and those officers where proven innocent of any wrong doing in a court of law
18:28:55 <plowsof11> yet the movie states otherwise 
18:29:00 <plowsof11> ill advised to raise a concern?
18:29:28 <plowsof11> "seriously???"
18:29:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Siren[m]: This x100000
18:29:47 <plowsof11> any concern over legal issues is ill advised though according to midipoert
18:30:02 <plowsof11> i mean seriously???? i see zero problems there!
18:30:08 <Siren[m]> Monero is great but it does sound like the movie is shilling a cryptocurrency over my dead kid
18:30:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> And literally using the news report as a "this is what the movie is about"
18:31:09 <plowsof11> the movie isnt even shilling monero though - its not like that , i consider it a subtle easter egg / trivia 
18:31:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Im exploiting this story"
18:31:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Call me Alex Jones"
18:31:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: "Monero" is paying for it to be released because it is supposed to BENEFIT US
18:31:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> That is terrible 
18:31:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Evil even
18:31:58 <monerobull[m]1> watching the real video rn. why did they put the same exact liquid into 2 differently labeled bottles ._.
18:32:08 <plowsof11> if the movie got an oscar and director fame and money - you're telling me that the united states government or whoever isnt gunna say well jee , theyre trying to make is look bad here 
18:32:10 <Siren[m]> plowsof11: It's failing to shill Monero properly but if as a normie I figure out that it is cryptocurrency, I think I would be mad
18:32:42 <Siren[m]> Thanks to all the scams the general public has negative views about cryptocurrencies in general
18:32:46 <plowsof11> "its like bitcoin but untraceable" i guess is shiling crypto
18:32:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Like bitcoin, is undermining monero 
18:33:04 <plowsof11> and hes probably rich from it = number go up hodl to the moon
18:33:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> At least Netflix said "you dont know what monero is?!?! You should!"
18:33:40 <Siren[m]> I don't see the outreach potential in this proposal, however I think there are legal risks and possibility of us getting cancelled
18:33:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Its untraceable, even criminals want to use it"
18:33:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Based on fiction 
18:33:51 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: I can imagine the headlines
18:33:58 <Siren[m]> People don't even know we are not a company
18:36:15 <monerobull[m]1> "notorious monero darknet drugmoney raises funds for movie portraying upstanding US officers who just want to protect your children from drugs as child-murderers" 
18:37:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> > The family of the boy received $1 million in compensation from the US government but the border officials involved were not found guilty of any wrongdoing.
18:37:07 <plowsof11> and they also zoom on a brochure that says "welcome to america" 
18:37:08 <plowsof11> before the interaction with the guards
18:37:20 <Siren[m]> If they want to use a real life event they should make sure that they're doing justice to the story
18:37:25 <Siren[m]> It's a very sensitive issue
18:37:34 <Siren[m]> It would be ok if it was fully fictional
18:37:44 <plowsof11> you gunna profit from my sons death? can you imagine that 
18:38:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Alex Jones. ....
18:38:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sandy hook...
18:38:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> He got bent over and raped for making money off if sandy hook kids deaths 
18:39:29 <monerobull[m]1> After looking at it from plowsofs angle, this proposal is looking like a not so great idea that could terribly backfire 
18:39:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/10/us/politics/alex-jones-sandy-hook-damages.html
18:40:55 <Siren[m]> The thing is it will probably get released whether GF funds it or not
18:41:00 <Siren[m]> Like the thing is already made
18:41:05 <Siren[m]> So good fucking luck lmfao
18:41:20 <plowsof11> my legal concerns are ill advised though 
18:41:27 <plowsof11> so ignore them
18:41:39 <Siren[m]> I hope those poor parents never get to see it
18:41:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stfu plowsof, nobody is listening to you 
18:41:44 <plowsof11> reeeee, i know 
18:41:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> We should move this to funding immediately 
18:41:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Meeting today?
18:42:28 <ceetee[m]> Siren[m]: It's an entire different thing if we fund it, sign it and slap our logo in the credits
18:43:07 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Yeah do you want to be associated with it
18:43:07 <Siren[m]> I'd prefer us to be not associated with it at all
18:43:17 <Siren[m]> Hopefully it's not as distasteful as I imagine it to be
18:43:19 <ceetee[m]> exactly
18:43:49 <Siren[m]> You know what good that they don't say the word Monero
18:44:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Mentioned one and now xmr 🚀🌕
18:44:19 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/one/once/
18:44:30 <DanIsnotthemanBr> :/
18:47:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> > @midipoet, with all respect, I don't think the community should accept any artwork-related proposal just because we don't have an established process for judging its quality/relevance to Monero. 
18:47:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hahahaha lolololollll
18:47:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats a quote from proposer 
18:47:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/371#note_20495
18:49:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> 😆😆 I dont even know what that is supposed to mean 
18:49:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Noise ftw
18:51:50 <DanIsnotthemanBr> “So either we reject this proposal and set up a mechanism for assessing them, or we accept this, move it to funding and then let the community (whales or no whales) decide on its specific value.
18:51:50 <DanIsnotthemanBr> That is essentially the choice.”
18:51:50 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Why would fund it and them evaluate it, thats dumb
18:52:10 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s///, s/Why would fund it and them evaluate it, thats dumb/Why would you fund it and them evaluate it, thats dumb/
18:54:17 <Siren[m]> The person who submitted the proposal, the director himself I assume sounds extremely manipulative here https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/371#note_20494
18:54:41 <Siren[m]> I don't like this at all
18:55:45 <Siren[m]> >Additionally, any risk would be born by me and my production company, not the community, so I appreciate the concern but you can relax, because it's bordering on FUD.
18:55:45 <Siren[m]> He says. He doesn't understand how can we potentially get fucked over because of the real life event he decided to cover.
18:56:09 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Only talks about money
18:56:26 <Siren[m]> Also he targets plowsof specifically 
18:56:28 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Does Monero align "metaphorically, representationally, or ideologically" with Hollywood / The Oscars?
18:56:28 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Does the dollar? You're treating Monero as a pet project for which some small group can decide the appropriate things/causes to be associated with
18:56:29 <xenu[m]> I think the only reason this is somewhat controversial is because there seems to be a lot of anons who are friends with the director. 
18:56:40 <Siren[m]> he's looking to manipulate plowsof
18:56:49 <Siren[m]> and dismiss valid criticisim
18:57:21 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Yeah but not up-to plowsof
18:57:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> xenu[m]: "Only", more like 1/10
18:58:09 <DanIsnotthemanBr> If it gets funded, i see no difference between government and contracts with mates and general fund
18:58:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> I smell bullshit all the way through 
18:58:20 <Siren[m]> Also look what he says here:
18:58:20 <Siren[m]> >You like the film and the Monero "easter egg", but are worried that the word "Monero" isn't featured prominently enough. This proposal literally solves that, as I'm offering you the opportunity to have the word "Monero" written out on the big screen, with a link to the website, and you're doing your best to make sure it doesn't happen. That's just self-defeating.
18:58:20 <Siren[m]> He is saying that he will not have "Monero" written in the movie and will not link to the website if you don't throw money at him. Now he doesn't look like he wants to promote monero at all.
18:58:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you are subscribed to GitLab notification, read the deleted comments from alts
18:58:48 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Irony
18:58:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Siren:  a "this hurts you more than it hurts me" bs
18:59:19 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Lol
18:59:30 <xenu[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: If this was some random guy there would be way less people defending what amounts to am Easter egg. 
18:59:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Like no, actually, this doesnt do anything for me at all. This benefits you and you alone
18:59:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Offering me a low quality watermarked video 
18:59:50 <xenu[m]> * If this was some random guy there would be way less people defending what amounts to an Easter egg. 
18:59:55 <Siren[m]> I'd rather have a multi episode monerochan hentai series produced by a studio in japan rather than funding this shit
19:00:14 <monerobull[m]1> regarding sockpuppets, ive seen a funny email that shows someone posting a comment that has now been deleted and vik made a very similar comment right after but both vik and that account left an upvote 
19:00:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> xenu:  obviously this was like monerotesla and was supported long before it was brought to ccs
19:00:54 <xenu[m]> He should just crowdfund monero on his own. Shouldn't go through the ccs. 
19:01:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is why I speculate ccs is being used to justify a donation from the general fund.
19:01:19 <monerobull[m]1> ofrnxmr: whens the monero meet
19:01:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats the only way to get the money out...
19:01:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org:  tomorrow @ 11am CT
19:01:52 <monerobull[m]1> bruh what
19:01:55 <monerobull[m]1> i thought it was today
19:02:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> SGP is sick
19:02:36 <monerobull[m]1> i see
19:02:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is tomorrow still cool? 
19:03:18 <Siren[m]> one question to those who have seen the movie: does it feature the meth drinking scene or similarities to the real event?
19:03:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> (There is a monero meet - a voice/video conference call - tomorrow)
19:04:07 <monerobull[m]1> ofrnxmr[m]: yeah
19:04:40 <Siren[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "If you are subscribed to..." <- I haven't seen them, would appreciate if you exposed them
19:04:53 <XMRPriest[m]> Siren[m]: What movie ?
19:05:02 <sgp[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Yeah all. Sorry :(
19:05:03 <Siren[m]> XMRPriest[m]: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/371
19:05:10 <monerobull[m]1> oh oh
19:05:24 <monerobull[m]1> rucknium is next on the hit-list
19:06:41 <XMRPriest[m]> I want to watch it looks good
19:07:24 <xenu[m]> Where can I apply to be a gatekeeper? It sounds prestigious. 
19:07:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sign up right here 
19:08:02 <selsta> 20:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is why I speculate ccs is being used to justify a donation from the general fund. <-- as far as I remember only dev proposals were funded by general fund
19:08:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> selsta:  we've been waiting quote a while for the latest transparanct report 
19:08:47 <selsta> binaryFate adds a comment if a proposal gets supported by the general fund
19:11:03 <Siren[m]> >This is a finished product that advertises Monero and the community has the chance to put its logo and website in the end credits.
19:11:03 <Siren[m]> TLDR; don't fund, not worth it
19:15:15 <DanIsnotthemanBr> There is other things more important then a movie what ever it is.
19:16:15 <monerobull[m]1> i like the money laundry conspiracy 
19:16:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> How about animated videos 
19:16:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> $400/minute
19:16:52 <monerobull[m]1> <selsta> "binaryFate adds a comment if a..." <- this kinda breaks it though
19:17:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> If the "only dev" holds, were good. 
19:17:15 <monerobull[m]1> (unless there are anonymous contributions by the general fund that arent declared 😳)
19:17:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> But BF can always just drop a comment and donate 
19:17:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not like, only dev is a rule
19:18:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bf took 10k from gf to repay his credit card hill for server fees after globee/fluffy flaked on the bill
19:18:10 <monerobull[m]1> ofrnxmr[m]: with 800$ a minute we can get anime-movie-quality animation 
19:18:10 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Funding through a shell corp
19:18:10 <monerobull[m]1> or was that 30 seconds
19:18:14 <monerobull[m]1> idk, turtle looked into us making our own monerochan anime
19:18:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Took". I mean, repaid himself after consulting the community. 
19:20:30 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Sbf
19:21:44 <monerobull[m]1> Rucknium: 
19:21:46 * monerobull[m]1 uploaded an image: (24KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/nMgtzhaTLaKDWvhVpVIcUnAh/grafik.png >
19:22:12 <monerobull[m]1> supportxmr now updating every 10 seconds 🎉
19:22:31 <Rucknium[m]> monerobull: Very nice. Thank you
19:25:32 <ceetee[m]> read your blog after the mention in the monero moon. great work rucknium
19:26:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nanopool is the only pool left right
19:26:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> stupid bots get no monero
19:26:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Only large* pool
19:27:49 <Rucknium[m]> ceetee🇧🇪: Thanks!
19:56:34 <fr33_yourself[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Ceetee confirmed to be ooo" <- ooo was a god amongst mortals. He ascneded to the realm of the gods
20:00:31 <fr33_yourself[m]> <Lovera[m]> "If you understood Spanish and..." <- I think Lovera gets too much hate. I think recently more nodes are starting to poke up in LATAM countries, maybe due to Lovera's content?
20:03:36 <plowsof11> who is hating lovera? 
20:05:13 <plowsof11> thats a strong word
20:38:53 <plowsof11> my crypto journey began with "youtube videos". alot of people fall into the category of "if it doesnt exist on youtube then i don't want to know about it" - lovera has had no hate, simply 'will you disclose these things' ok . 'why make omg faces and shill dero' which he answered 
20:40:49 <plowsof11> andhres + rottenwheel have also done alot of outreach in LATM 
20:40:57 <fr33_yourself[m]> <plowsof11> "you talk about moneros ideology..." <- General fund should finance a movie about u/desnake, Monero's peak entrepreneur (Mr. Worldwide)
20:42:14 <fr33_yourself[m]> plowsof11: Yes, he is a bit of a soyboy so it is natural that he will mention the forbidden shitcoin known as dero haha
20:42:33 <fr33_yourself[m]> I watched some of his videos and he isn't too bad though.
20:42:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dang. Dont hold back now
20:43:05 <plowsof11> MMcrypto is the king of OMG faces btw 
20:43:07 <fr33_yourself[m]> But not quite as alpha as mcafee, but mcafee didn't speak Spanish
20:43:55 <plowsof11> i learned how to use a ledger from "cryptodad" on youtube, thanks cryptogrampy 
20:43:57 <fr33_yourself[m]> Mcafee was maybe Monero's best salesman. He's the first person I heard mention Monero
20:44:10 <plowsof11> how to use a ledger with monero*
20:44:57 <fr33_yourself[m]> Plus Lovera covers Monero news in Spanish which is valuable because things move fast in this community and people in LATAM may not have time to scan and translate reddit matrix rooms etc
21:11:39 <nikg83[m]> <fr33_yourself[m]> "Mcafee was maybe Monero's best..." <- For me it was this https://twitter.com/tpb/status/774207378539413504 
21:13:05 <nikg83[m]> Should have gone all in 😅
22:36:08 <Stnby[m]> The CCS proposals have reached a level of absurdity that I thought was impossible to reach.
22:36:08 <Stnby[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/371
22:36:08 <Stnby[m]> Where can I see the video myself?
22:37:57 <plowsof11> i think you have to request it from the proposer (asking on the gitlab) , i think there will be a trailer for people 
22:39:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why GitLab? Its not a ccs if its not freely available at ALL STAGES OF THE PROPOSAL  
22:39:55 <plowsof11> correct
22:39:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> 4 All work must be licensed permissively at all stages of the proposal. There is no time where your work can be licensed under a restrictive license (even as you're working on it). Your proposal will be terminated if this is not remedied.
22:40:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> He responded to some comments, but not rucks it seems
22:40:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ruck is a damn gatekeeper. Ignore him
22:46:08 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I dont think you should have a vote if you have a vested interest in the outcome
22:58:42 <plowsof11> this proposal has 6 thumbs up and 4 down https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/355
23:02:45 <plowsof11> reasons for closing: comit is abandonware - we've paid binary baron with the gui to fix the issues. there are open bounties for the cli which user delta1 is handling https://github.com/comit-network/xmr-btc-swap/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Bounty+%F0%9F%92%B0%22 , rates where high - and it turns out the xmr was calculated wrong from the get go , we have other atomic swaps (basicswaps etc) farcaster was just released
23:02:45 <plowsof11> (which has a brighter future) hm 
23:04:26 <plowsof11> 25 monero for a docker script -> then 10 -> then it was discovered baron had already made it with delta1 
23:04:47 <plowsof11> after rates where changed we are now getting less work for more monero 
23:22:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Reason for closing: comit 
23:22:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Shortened it for you
23:24:07 <plowsof11> kayaba has technical criticisms of the entire protocol too 
23:45:34 <CidadodoMonerist> Someone have that "will code for monero" image?
23:46:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org:  are they even necessary for the closing of this proposal?
23:50:23 <plowsof11> at first glance its 6 up 4 down ready for merge 
23:54:26 <MajesticBank> that proposal is not from commit network at all, as far as proposal it doesn't make sense supporting it
23:56:00 <MajesticBank> as far as protocol, I am very temped to just "abandon it" as first tests worked well and binarybaron was supportive on fixing the bugs
23:57:20 <MajesticBank> community / ccs spent considerable amount of money on the technology and it at least deserves a proper real world test and usage
23:57:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> I feel like things were said in reverse here?
23:58:28 <MajesticBank> farcaster is better defined protocol and  is developed in more planned manner however for some project like particlswap or similar in future will be easier to implement commit protocol
23:58:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> This proposal is not comit?
23:58:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> You want to abandon it?
23:58:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Did you mean the opposite? (Seriously)
23:59:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Commit is 1 way
23:59:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Basicswap works in both directions? 
23:59:26 <plowsof11> +1 farcaster brighter future 
23:59:33 <plowsof11> i think basicswap is using 'comit' on the backend
23:59:46 <plowsof11> or is one way (farcaster 2 way)