02:05:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cakepay web has prepaid visas iirc
02:05:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> But limited kyc iirc
02:30:58 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://www.monerotalk.live/the-bitcoin-fog-mixer-case-puts-the-blockchain-analytics-ecosystem-on-trial-mike-tor
02:30:58 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Anyone heard this episode?
10:09:45 <monerobull[m]1> Discord bridge works again
10:11:06 <CidadodoMonerist> Gm
10:15:01 <DanIsnotthemanBr> hidy ho neighborino
10:26:32 <bridgerton[m]> <kemosabe> i can see
10:26:47 <bridgerton[m]> <kemosabe> thanks brother
14:18:13 <bridgerton[m]> <monerobull> 6
17:05:48 <nioc> oh great, selsta's CCS was merged and is no longer in "Ideas" but isn't in "Funding Required"
17:06:08 <nioc> plowsof , luigi1111 ^^^^
17:07:40 <luigi1111w> binaryFate 
17:10:05 <nioc> buck >>>>>>>
17:12:31 <plowsof11> hotpotato 
18:29:26 <bridgerton[m]> <salami donators!> We've been waitinf so long
18:29:31 <bridgerton[m]> <salami donators!> They work
18:31:43 <monerobull[m]1> I'm sorry it took so long (⁠╥⁠﹏⁠╥⁠)
18:38:21 <bridgerton[m]> <salami donators!> Good work sir
18:38:33 <nioc> wen harmony 
18:38:42 <monerobull[m]1> What
18:40:50 <DanIsnotthemanBr> When
18:41:08 <bridgerton[m]> <kemosabe> what is harmony
18:43:02 <nioc> better than discord  ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
18:43:28 <monerobull[m]1> Harmony one
18:44:16 <monerobull[m]1> I remember telling people they shouldn't get hyped for the announcement that was scheduled for 1st of April purely by coincidence 
19:55:34 <MajesticBank> I also saw a lot of CCS proposals stuck on website
19:55:44 <MajesticBank> work in progress etc while finished long ago
19:56:05 <MajesticBank> plowsof11 should fix that
19:56:22 <plowsof11> time for some early spring cleaning 
19:56:53 <plowsof11> xmrSale will hopefully be the first to go bye-bye 
19:57:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> MajesticBank: 😆
19:59:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Can always check plowsof commits
19:59:27 <plowsof11> the responsibility is shared with everyone here 🙏https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/791 
20:02:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> <MajesticBank> "work in progress etc while..." <- A lot of them a lot are not finished 
20:04:23 <DanIsnotthemanBr> So what happens if a funded proposal decides they cant do all the proposal and does something else?
20:04:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> <MajesticBank> "work in progress etc while..." <- I can only think of one that is "in progress " yet the work was completed. < this is work by someone who submit multiple code fixes to exploits (multisig, node ddos oom fixes)
20:06:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate):  if thet were smart, they either
20:06:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> A) make their milestones in a way that allows them to take majority pay without delivering a finished product 
20:06:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> B) change your milestones and then demand early pay (and get it)
20:06:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sarcasm  
20:06:37 <plowsof11> if we can't resolve monero archive / xmrSale then theres no point thinking 2 steps ahead 
20:06:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Moneroarvhive is resolved 
20:07:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Close it immediately and earmark the 0.2xmr for another in ccs that has gone to funding
20:07:31 <plowsof11> (tryptych funds to be donated to bp++ proposal instead of back to the GF is also a suggestion but thats delayed)
20:07:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Scammer had the site up for 2 weeks
20:07:49 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/252
20:07:49 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Talking about this
20:08:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Triptych is an exception and Diego and Sarang have foregone the funds as we went with seraphis instead
20:08:31 <plowsof11> oh molly? i've been in contact with valldrac this week, and he is going to be sharing some more updates this saturday 
20:08:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate):  valldrac:  is your man 
20:09:06 <luigi1111w> selsta didn't have amount in his ccs
20:09:17 <luigi1111w> wasn't binaryFate fault this time
20:09:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> 999xmr
20:09:28 <selsta> welp
20:09:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cmon luigi, make a number up #YOLO
20:09:40 <selsta> the milestones are definitely correct
20:10:13 <selsta> and the text underneath should also be correct with the amount
20:10:15 <n1oc> selsta part-time monero development (3 months) has moved to funding! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/selsta-8.html
20:10:18 <plowsof11> this is the 5th time ive failed to check the proposal for correctness :( 
20:10:19 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Brazillion xmr
20:10:37 <selsta> ty for fixing
20:10:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: Thats not your job, more like a hobby 
20:11:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Selsta doesnt need you to proofread a ccs for em :) 
20:12:23 <luigi1111w> selsta the milestones were fine just the amount above
20:12:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Beating yourself up for something insignificant and not even a focus, DW bout it
20:12:44 <plowsof11> the movie proposal - ive gave some tips for removing the images from the pull request (i believe thats stopping it from the ideas page)
20:12:49 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Chatgpt can proof read for you
20:13:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im wondering about
20:13:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> ```
20:13:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> To overcome this partly for the future, we landed a grant from a non-profit organization that's supporting strategic open-source technologies. Once the integration of Monero within the Signal network is rolled-out in Molly, we will be able to focus on developing our own server and get paid as we go. To start, we've already documented and released our server prototype SweetLies.
20:13:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> ```
20:13:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Molly update 
20:14:45 <DanIsnotthemanBr> But is that what the proposal was
20:14:48 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Now they got outside funding to finish?
20:15:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> And weve been delivered nothing but fdroid signal without mobilecoin, right?
20:16:02 <Rucknium[m]> plowsof: What about the trademark character in the title? Images in the body should be OK
20:16:48 <plowsof11> that was tried also, the last thing is those images, it doesnt look right either. at the moment its trying to merge images into the proposal repository 
20:17:24 <Rucknium[m]> I had an image in my proposal. An animated GIF no less.
20:17:45 <plowsof11> hosted outside of the "pull request" though i assume?
20:18:36 <as2333> decentralized backend for signal/ what would that look like?
20:20:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: On Github 
20:20:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/255
20:21:51 <plowsof11> 👍️ yeah its definitely the + 5 images ~ 
20:22:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Maybe get him to try the same, replaced them with GitHub hosted images 
20:23:36 <plowsof11> ive given instructions he must read (from top to bottom) a while ago , just waiting 
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20:31:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Accidental pm
20:42:00 <DanIsnotthemanBr> <ofrnxmr[m]> "And weve been delivered nothing..." <- Getting old isnt it
20:46:09 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Css proposal: create botnet farm to attack stall funded proposers for not honouring
20:47:31 <plowsof11> we're waiting on updates for the botnet farm of nodes first https://github.com/cirocosta/monero-operator/issues/19
20:48:17 <plowsof11> "2 contributions in private repositories" - the stalking intensifies 
20:48:47 <DanIsnotthemanBr> When i get my ssd drives gonna try it on k3
20:48:52 <luigi1111w> the ccs graveyard grows over time
20:51:22 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Thats where the previous no honoured proposers are buried
20:52:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> More like a playground 
20:52:52 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Sandboxed?
21:20:01 <d34d8its[m]> Anything special to note about running the wallet cli and daemon through tor?
21:36:46 <plowsof11> i doubt you'll be able to find a visa/mastercard that 'you can charge' - unless someone wants to do you a big favour (let you use their id while spending on well, anything), its usually a one time use gift card 
21:44:03 <nioc> for a long time there were proposals listed under "work in progress" with partial or no payments that were actually completed and fully paid out 
21:46:04 <nioc> probably still the case
21:53:19 <plowsof11> one of Ercs website proposals should be moved to completed, and i think Monero Atomic Swaps implementation funding is 100% done now 
21:54:04 <plowsof11> everything else will cause me emotional trauma to discuss right now, other than xmrsale / monero archiver at the next meeting
21:54:52 <Siren[m]> <luigi1111w> "it is the opinion of Core that..." <- Please do not ever transfer to it from the general fund then. Many people do not consent to fund non-free media.
21:55:41 <Siren[m]> Fund your own friends from your own pockets. Don't involve others for funding your corruption.
21:57:25 <chesterfield[m]> <DanIsnotthemanBr> "When i get my ssd drives gonna..." <- K…3??
21:57:26 <monerobull[m]1> imagine donating 400k so monero can finally buy the monero.com domain and it gets used to take some non-free movie to take a shot at the oscars
21:58:43 <Siren[m]> Imagine donating to MoneroKon and contradictory to what you have been told your funds end up in the general fund which eventually gets used to promote a non-free movie.
21:58:44 <chesterfield[m]> Just start your own General Fund(tm)
21:59:03 <chesterfield[m]> You can’t call it a general fund btw
21:59:09 <Siren[m]> No, donate to people and projects directly. As simple as that.
21:59:11 <chesterfield[m]> Luigi will sue
21:59:23 <Siren[m]> chesterfield[m]: That's what they call it. It's C++ dev fund.
21:59:34 <Siren[m]> Or some people and friends fund.
21:59:45 <plowsof11> imagine donating to MoneroKon and learning about strange Ethereum Classic conference calls with event organisers 
22:00:11 <Siren[m]> The names of CCS and general fund are misleading
22:00:23 <plowsof11> if you dont want monerokon to be turned into ETCkon pls attend the event meeting on saturday 
22:01:54 <Stnby[m]> ETC not that bad
22:03:09 <luigi1111w> doubt the gen fund would donate
22:04:10 <Stnby[m]> plowsof11: We were spreading Monero at Fosdem sorry :)
22:04:47 <Siren[m]> Invited nlnet foundation and others to Monero related events and podcasts
22:05:37 <Stnby[m]> NLnet and Rocket chat seemed interested in Monero Talk
22:07:39 <plowsof11> thank you for sharing / shilling monero. i assume you read the entire script 1 of the animated videos series to start the conversation?
22:08:39 <plowsof11> a fosdem / monerkon crossover event would be nice 
22:08:41 <Siren[m]> It was mostly our fren who started the convos with "have you heard of Monero?"
22:08:50 <Siren[m]> plowsof11: Just get a stand at FOSDEM
22:10:03 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: We discussed the possibility of adding XMR to Rocket Chat
22:10:55 <plowsof11> https://github.com/RocketChat/Rocket.Chat ?
22:10:55 <Siren[m]> Asked NLnet if they would like to support Monero community projects, they said Monero people had more money so they'd rather have us donate to them.
22:10:57 <Siren[m]> plowsof11: Yes
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22:11:07 <Siren[m]> s/had/have/
22:11:41 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: NLnet does many good things for FOSS projects like resolving legal issues, funding etc
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22:14:06 <MajesticBank> < if you dont want monerokon to be turned into ETCkon pls attend the event meeting on saturday 
22:14:13 <MajesticBank> is it against the rules to open ccs for attending monero community / event meetings?
22:15:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> <luigi1111w> "doubt the gen fund would donate" <- Doubt lol
22:15:17 <MajesticBank> someone can ask for 1/2 xmr monthly and be present / write reports, just an idea
22:15:46 <Siren[m]> So basically plowsof?
22:15:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Can we get a "no, general fund only supports monero-project related work"
22:16:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Maybe read em
22:16:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> MajesticBank: He does
22:16:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> MajesticBank: Ask mj
22:17:12 <plowsof11> monero observer reads the logs on meetings / summarises them iirc. i am barely literate tho 
22:17:23 <Stnby[m]> MajesticBank: Just make a form with questions. Everyone answers ahead of time and volia :D
22:17:54 <MajesticBank> I mean like 10 people, each on it's own and from his perspective
22:18:24 <Siren[m]> in the end it doesn't really matter 
22:18:58 <plowsof11> what if everyone who has attended 100% of the meetings gets ... 
22:19:28 <plowsof11> a golden sticker to be presented on stage at monerokon??
22:19:44 <Stnby[m]> plowsof11:  What if theres a better cause? Like fosdem
22:20:22 <plowsof11> then someone will say yo're busy at fosdem probably 
22:20:56 <plowsof11> and grant the hall pass (only 1 per person!)
22:21:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: What if they dont attend monerokon
22:21:22 <Stnby[m]> XD, sure I want a golden sticker
22:21:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> I want an M coin
22:21:40 <Stnby[m]> Just not the one from monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org: 
22:21:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Made of chocolate
22:21:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Belgian
22:22:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stnby[m]: Stnby needs 2
22:22:16 <Siren[m]> OpenSuse made Suse beer
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22:24:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero made animated videos 
22:24:47 <Stnby[m]> I ran out of all monero stickers
22:25:53 <plowsof11> if your project doesnt have a grotesque floating eye ball, im not interested 
22:27:25 <plowsof11> a psychedelic chameleon looking thing experiencing ego death as your logo is an exception 
22:28:03 <Siren[m]> that chameleon has seen some shit
22:28:18 <Siren[m]> postgresql gave away mint candies
22:28:26 <Siren[m]> to mask off the weed smell
22:28:51 <plowsof11> (penguin falling on its head is also kool)
22:29:07 <Siren[m]> you mean kernal? 
22:29:24 <Siren[m]> lol
22:39:56 <plowsof11> having attended many 'Kons' it would be nice to hear a review from stnby / siren after MoneroKon is finished 
22:40:46 <Stnby[m]> Just make sure the peope fit xD and mics work, thats all.
22:40:54 <Stnby[m]> s/the/that/
22:45:48 <DanIsnotthemanBr> <Stnby[m]> "I ran out of all monero stickers" <- Custom stole them?
22:47:09 <Stnby[m]> Nope vandalised and gave some away to others
22:47:27 <Stnby[m]> * Nope vandalised some things and gave
22:49:03 <Stnby[m]> No
22:52:19 <Stnby[m]> All of the CCs are KYC, including prepaid ones
22:53:01 <Stnby[m]> 5b2z4xywy: If you try to register for it. It also asks for KYC info
22:54:40 <plowsof11> you can buy a giftcard with cash (at least in my country) but it can't be topped up - you'd have a 'bank account' then 
22:54:40 <Stnby[m]> 5b2z4xywy: Not sure in that case, maybe those arent, but you probably cannot use them online
22:55:28 <d34d8its[m]> You can. It’s all I use. The ones that are reloadable or accept direct deposit are KYC, the ones by SecureSpend and gift card all are not.
22:55:44 <Stnby[m]> In most countries around EU, you cannot even get a sim card anymore without KYC
22:55:46 <d34d8its[m]> s/all/mall/
22:56:01 <plowsof11> you're not getting you cake and eating it (without 'someone' letting you use their ID)
22:57:16 <plowsof11> human trafficking rings probably
22:57:44 <smathy[m]> Shane on Conduit.rs ⚡️: have you bought the prepaid card at your supermarket?  AFAIK, you have to register them all (either at the checkout, or later online) before use, which includes KYC.
22:57:49 <plowsof11> give me your ID , i want to open a bank account in your name and use your card
22:57:58 <d34d8its[m]> Although, interesting story. I bought one, and waited exactly 7 months to use it. The moment I activated it, it claimed there was a transaction for the exact moment, which occurred that exact day. Maybe I’m paranoid, but it seems if you wait too long to activate it (which doesn’t require valid info), the full amount is held by a transaction until you try and refute it, at which point they demand all of your info, full name,
22:57:58 <d34d8its[m]> address, phone, etc.
22:58:43 <smathy[m]> You might still be able to spend a small amount that you initially paid, but no reloading, or big purchases.
22:58:59 <d34d8its[m]> smathy[m]: You don’t have to register them. Just pay for them in cash. 
22:59:19 <plowsof11> i would consult anarkiocrypto[m] regarding this though, they're experts on this specific matter and would definitely know more than me (im pretty much larping on this)
22:59:34 <d34d8its[m]> smathy[m]: No reloading, those aren’t “pre-paid”, they’re reloadable. And the max is $500. 
23:00:09 <nioc> looking forward to my golden sticker 
23:00:21 <d34d8its[m]> s/moment/amount/
23:01:17 <Stnby[m]> Bribe a homeless druggie off the street. Use their passpor to open a bank acc
23:01:19 <Stnby[m]> s/passpor/passport/
23:01:43 <plowsof11> :D
23:02:05 <Stnby[m]> * Bribe a homeless druggie off the street. Use their passport to open a bank acc (not that its legal just theoretical solution)
23:04:26 <smathy[m]> d34d8its[m]: Talking about either.  Eg. you'll fail zipcode checks for any purchases requiring that, unless you've gone through that registration process.
23:05:05 <chesterfield[m]> Stop buying shit.  Start your own credit card and cellular network
23:05:22 <d34d8its[m]> smathy[m]: Sure. But the registration process has zero validations. Enter whatever you want. 
23:06:55 <smathy[m]> d34d8its[m]: Ok, interesting.  I thought that had all chanced since KYC in 2018.
23:06:57 <d34d8its[m]> And you can use them to buy new ones. When I get several with low balances, I’ll use them to buy the next one at the max. That does mean they’re all linked, historically, they can be tied together.
23:07:13 <smathy[m]> (I only have second hand info on it though)
23:09:10 <d34d8its[m]> smathy[m]: I go through probably 20-30 a year. Only twice have I ever had entered my actual info, once because I needed to be known, and once when I was refuting the charge after not having activated it for seven months. The thinking was any cam footage would be wiped well before I activated it and used it. So anywhere between 31 days and 7 months and you should be safe. 
23:17:59 <smathy[m]> I mean, wear a mask these days amirite!
23:19:08 <smathy[m]> Thanks for the correction d34d8its - glad to hear it first hand.
23:55:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: 
23:57:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> > When do you expect to be paid?... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/a8b6687660f63f9af82e5dc4cf2ae2526bf51599>)