02:05:40 Cakepay web has prepaid visas iirc 02:05:40 But limited kyc iirc 02:30:58 https://www.monerotalk.live/the-bitcoin-fog-mixer-case-puts-the-blockchain-analytics-ecosystem-on-trial-mike-tor 02:30:58 Anyone heard this episode? 10:09:45 Discord bridge works again 10:11:06 Gm 10:15:01 hidy ho neighborino 10:26:32 i can see 10:26:47 thanks brother 14:18:13 6 17:05:48 oh great, selsta's CCS was merged and is no longer in "Ideas" but isn't in "Funding Required" 17:06:08 plowsof , luigi1111 ^^^^ 17:07:40 binaryFate 17:10:05 buck >>>>>>> 17:12:31 hotpotato 18:29:26 We've been waitinf so long 18:29:31 They work 18:31:43 I'm sorry it took so long (⁠╥⁠﹏⁠╥⁠) 18:38:21 Good work sir 18:38:33 wen harmony 18:38:42 What 18:40:50 When 18:41:08 what is harmony 18:43:02 better than discord ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 18:43:28 Harmony one 18:44:16 I remember telling people they shouldn't get hyped for the announcement that was scheduled for 1st of April purely by coincidence 19:55:34 I also saw a lot of CCS proposals stuck on website 19:55:44 work in progress etc while finished long ago 19:56:05 plowsof11 should fix that 19:56:22 time for some early spring cleaning 19:56:53 xmrSale will hopefully be the first to go bye-bye 19:57:46 MajesticBank: 😆 19:59:20 Can always check plowsof commits 19:59:27 the responsibility is shared with everyone here 🙏https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/791 20:02:08 "work in progress etc while..." <- A lot of them a lot are not finished 20:04:23 So what happens if a funded proposal decides they cant do all the proposal and does something else? 20:04:50 "work in progress etc while..." <- I can only think of one that is "in progress " yet the work was completed. < this is work by someone who submit multiple code fixes to exploits (multisig, node ddos oom fixes) 20:06:20 Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate): if thet were smart, they either 20:06:20 A) make their milestones in a way that allows them to take majority pay without delivering a finished product 20:06:20 B) change your milestones and then demand early pay (and get it) 20:06:20 Sarcasm 20:06:37 if we can't resolve monero archive / xmrSale then theres no point thinking 2 steps ahead 20:06:49 Moneroarvhive is resolved 20:07:12 Close it immediately and earmark the 0.2xmr for another in ccs that has gone to funding 20:07:31 (tryptych funds to be donated to bp++ proposal instead of back to the GF is also a suggestion but thats delayed) 20:07:32 Scammer had the site up for 2 weeks 20:07:49 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/252 20:07:49 Talking about this 20:08:04 Triptych is an exception and Diego and Sarang have foregone the funds as we went with seraphis instead 20:08:31 oh molly? i've been in contact with valldrac this week, and he is going to be sharing some more updates this saturday 20:08:32 Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate): valldrac: is your man 20:09:06 selsta didn't have amount in his ccs 20:09:17 wasn't binaryFate fault this time 20:09:21 999xmr 20:09:28 welp 20:09:33 Cmon luigi, make a number up #YOLO 20:09:40 the milestones are definitely correct 20:10:13 and the text underneath should also be correct with the amount 20:10:15 selsta part-time monero development (3 months) has moved to funding! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/selsta-8.html 20:10:18 this is the 5th time ive failed to check the proposal for correctness :( 20:10:19 Brazillion xmr 20:10:37 ty for fixing 20:10:56 plowsof11: Thats not your job, more like a hobby 20:11:27 Selsta doesnt need you to proofread a ccs for em :) 20:12:23 selsta the milestones were fine just the amount above 20:12:31 Beating yourself up for something insignificant and not even a focus, DW bout it 20:12:44 the movie proposal - ive gave some tips for removing the images from the pull request (i believe thats stopping it from the ideas page) 20:12:49 Chatgpt can proof read for you 20:13:25 Im wondering about 20:13:25 ``` 20:13:25 To overcome this partly for the future, we landed a grant from a non-profit organization that's supporting strategic open-source technologies. Once the integration of Monero within the Signal network is rolled-out in Molly, we will be able to focus on developing our own server and get paid as we go. To start, we've already documented and released our server prototype SweetLies. 20:13:25 ``` 20:13:31 Molly update 20:14:45 But is that what the proposal was 20:14:48 Now they got outside funding to finish? 20:15:54 And weve been delivered nothing but fdroid signal without mobilecoin, right? 20:16:02 plowsof: What about the trademark character in the title? Images in the body should be OK 20:16:48 that was tried also, the last thing is those images, it doesnt look right either. at the moment its trying to merge images into the proposal repository 20:17:24 I had an image in my proposal. An animated GIF no less. 20:17:45 hosted outside of the "pull request" though i assume? 20:18:36 decentralized backend for signal/ what would that look like? 20:20:47 plowsof11: On Github 20:20:55 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/255 20:21:51 👍️ yeah its definitely the + 5 images ~ 20:22:26 Maybe get him to try the same, replaced them with GitHub hosted images 20:23:36 ive given instructions he must read (from top to bottom) a while ago , just waiting 20:30:55 * ofrnxmr[m] uploaded an image: (108KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/monero.social/MjKMHPtKUKblelUTgcCcIRFK/5zmtbxg09lx1bdac.jpg > 20:31:54 Accidental pm 20:42:00 "And weve been delivered nothing..." <- Getting old isnt it 20:46:09 Css proposal: create botnet farm to attack stall funded proposers for not honouring 20:47:31 we're waiting on updates for the botnet farm of nodes first https://github.com/cirocosta/monero-operator/issues/19 20:48:17 "2 contributions in private repositories" - the stalking intensifies 20:48:47 When i get my ssd drives gonna try it on k3 20:48:52 the ccs graveyard grows over time 20:51:22 Thats where the previous no honoured proposers are buried 20:52:16 More like a playground 20:52:52 Sandboxed? 21:20:01 Anything special to note about running the wallet cli and daemon through tor? 21:36:46 i doubt you'll be able to find a visa/mastercard that 'you can charge' - unless someone wants to do you a big favour (let you use their id while spending on well, anything), its usually a one time use gift card 21:44:03 for a long time there were proposals listed under "work in progress" with partial or no payments that were actually completed and fully paid out 21:46:04 probably still the case 21:53:19 one of Ercs website proposals should be moved to completed, and i think Monero Atomic Swaps implementation funding is 100% done now 21:54:04 everything else will cause me emotional trauma to discuss right now, other than xmrsale / monero archiver at the next meeting 21:54:52 "it is the opinion of Core that..." <- Please do not ever transfer to it from the general fund then. Many people do not consent to fund non-free media. 21:55:41 Fund your own friends from your own pockets. Don't involve others for funding your corruption. 21:57:25 "When i get my ssd drives gonna..." <- K…3?? 21:57:26 imagine donating 400k so monero can finally buy the monero.com domain and it gets used to take some non-free movie to take a shot at the oscars 21:58:43 Imagine donating to MoneroKon and contradictory to what you have been told your funds end up in the general fund which eventually gets used to promote a non-free movie. 21:58:44 Just start your own General Fund(tm) 21:59:03 You can’t call it a general fund btw 21:59:09 No, donate to people and projects directly. As simple as that. 21:59:11 Luigi will sue 21:59:23 chesterfield[m]: That's what they call it. It's C++ dev fund. 21:59:34 Or some people and friends fund. 21:59:45 imagine donating to MoneroKon and learning about strange Ethereum Classic conference calls with event organisers 22:00:11 The names of CCS and general fund are misleading 22:00:23 if you dont want monerokon to be turned into ETCkon pls attend the event meeting on saturday 22:01:54 ETC not that bad 22:03:09 doubt the gen fund would donate 22:04:10 plowsof11: We were spreading Monero at Fosdem sorry :) 22:04:47 Invited nlnet foundation and others to Monero related events and podcasts 22:05:37 NLnet and Rocket chat seemed interested in Monero Talk 22:07:39 thank you for sharing / shilling monero. i assume you read the entire script 1 of the animated videos series to start the conversation? 22:08:39 a fosdem / monerkon crossover event would be nice 22:08:41 It was mostly our fren who started the convos with "have you heard of Monero?" 22:08:50 plowsof11: Just get a stand at FOSDEM 22:10:03 Siren[m]: We discussed the possibility of adding XMR to Rocket Chat 22:10:55 https://github.com/RocketChat/Rocket.Chat ? 22:10:55 Asked NLnet if they would like to support Monero community projects, they said Monero people had more money so they'd rather have us donate to them. 22:10:57 plowsof11: Yes 22:11:06 * Stnby[m] uploaded an image: (6749KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/kernal.eu/LCFTuumTrCrewiiwJZNhtaTi/IMG_20230205_130018_543.jpg > 22:11:07 s/had/have/ 22:11:41 Siren[m]: NLnet does many good things for FOSS projects like resolving legal issues, funding etc 22:12:09 * Siren[m] uploaded an image: (149KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/kernal.eu/bCSkXWMImMjwSvRuzJcIbMkf/PXL_20230206_132702249.MP_20230208000716.jpg > 22:14:06 < if you dont want monerokon to be turned into ETCkon pls attend the event meeting on saturday 22:14:13 is it against the rules to open ccs for attending monero community / event meetings? 22:15:05 "doubt the gen fund would donate" <- Doubt lol 22:15:17 someone can ask for 1/2 xmr monthly and be present / write reports, just an idea 22:15:46 So basically plowsof? 22:15:53 ofrnxmr[m]: Can we get a "no, general fund only supports monero-project related work" 22:16:11 Maybe read em 22:16:12 MajesticBank: He does 22:16:56 MajesticBank: Ask mj 22:17:12 monero observer reads the logs on meetings / summarises them iirc. i am barely literate tho 22:17:23 MajesticBank: Just make a form with questions. Everyone answers ahead of time and volia :D 22:17:54 I mean like 10 people, each on it's own and from his perspective 22:18:24 in the end it doesn't really matter 22:18:58 what if everyone who has attended 100% of the meetings gets ... 22:19:28 a golden sticker to be presented on stage at monerokon?? 22:19:44 plowsof11: What if theres a better cause? Like fosdem 22:20:22 then someone will say yo're busy at fosdem probably 22:20:56 and grant the hall pass (only 1 per person!) 22:21:13 plowsof11: What if they dont attend monerokon 22:21:22 XD, sure I want a golden sticker 22:21:38 I want an M coin 22:21:40 Just not the one from monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org: 22:21:40 Made of chocolate 22:21:41 Belgian 22:22:07 Stnby[m]: Stnby needs 2 22:22:16 OpenSuse made Suse beer 22:22:33 * Stnby[m] uploaded an image: (92KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/kernal.eu/karGFGyCbhBgNhvyNPRtMDgW/PXL_20230205_141121183.MP.jpg > 22:24:11 Monero made animated videos 22:24:47 I ran out of all monero stickers 22:25:53 if your project doesnt have a grotesque floating eye ball, im not interested 22:27:25 a psychedelic chameleon looking thing experiencing ego death as your logo is an exception 22:28:03 that chameleon has seen some shit 22:28:18 postgresql gave away mint candies 22:28:26 to mask off the weed smell 22:28:51 (penguin falling on its head is also kool) 22:29:07 you mean kernal? 22:29:24 lol 22:39:56 having attended many 'Kons' it would be nice to hear a review from stnby / siren after MoneroKon is finished 22:40:46 Just make sure the peope fit xD and mics work, thats all. 22:40:54 s/the/that/ 22:45:48 "I ran out of all monero stickers" <- Custom stole them? 22:47:09 Nope vandalised and gave some away to others 22:47:27 * Nope vandalised some things and gave 22:49:03 No 22:52:19 All of the CCs are KYC, including prepaid ones 22:53:01 5b2z4xywy: If you try to register for it. It also asks for KYC info 22:54:40 you can buy a giftcard with cash (at least in my country) but it can't be topped up - you'd have a 'bank account' then 22:54:40 5b2z4xywy: Not sure in that case, maybe those arent, but you probably cannot use them online 22:55:28 You can. It’s all I use. The ones that are reloadable or accept direct deposit are KYC, the ones by SecureSpend and gift card all are not. 22:55:44 In most countries around EU, you cannot even get a sim card anymore without KYC 22:55:46 s/all/mall/ 22:56:01 you're not getting you cake and eating it (without 'someone' letting you use their ID) 22:57:16 human trafficking rings probably 22:57:44 Shane on Conduit.rs ⚡️: have you bought the prepaid card at your supermarket? AFAIK, you have to register them all (either at the checkout, or later online) before use, which includes KYC. 22:57:49 give me your ID , i want to open a bank account in your name and use your card 22:57:58 Although, interesting story. I bought one, and waited exactly 7 months to use it. The moment I activated it, it claimed there was a transaction for the exact moment, which occurred that exact day. Maybe I’m paranoid, but it seems if you wait too long to activate it (which doesn’t require valid info), the full amount is held by a transaction until you try and refute it, at which point they demand all of your info, full name, 22:57:58 address, phone, etc. 22:58:43 You might still be able to spend a small amount that you initially paid, but no reloading, or big purchases. 22:58:59 smathy[m]: You don’t have to register them. Just pay for them in cash. 22:59:19 i would consult anarkiocrypto[m] regarding this though, they're experts on this specific matter and would definitely know more than me (im pretty much larping on this) 22:59:34 smathy[m]: No reloading, those aren’t “pre-paid”, they’re reloadable. And the max is $500. 23:00:09 looking forward to my golden sticker 23:00:21 s/moment/amount/ 23:01:17 Bribe a homeless druggie off the street. Use their passpor to open a bank acc 23:01:19 s/passpor/passport/ 23:01:43 :D 23:02:05 * Bribe a homeless druggie off the street. Use their passport to open a bank acc (not that its legal just theoretical solution) 23:04:26 d34d8its[m]: Talking about either. Eg. you'll fail zipcode checks for any purchases requiring that, unless you've gone through that registration process. 23:05:05 Stop buying shit. Start your own credit card and cellular network 23:05:22 smathy[m]: Sure. But the registration process has zero validations. Enter whatever you want. 23:06:55 d34d8its[m]: Ok, interesting. I thought that had all chanced since KYC in 2018. 23:06:57 And you can use them to buy new ones. When I get several with low balances, I’ll use them to buy the next one at the max. That does mean they’re all linked, historically, they can be tied together. 23:07:13 (I only have second hand info on it though) 23:09:10 smathy[m]: I go through probably 20-30 a year. Only twice have I ever had entered my actual info, once because I needed to be known, and once when I was refuting the charge after not having activated it for seven months. The thinking was any cam footage would be wiped well before I activated it and used it. So anywhere between 31 days and 7 months and you should be safe. 23:17:59 I mean, wear a mask these days amirite! 23:19:08 Thanks for the correction d34d8its - glad to hear it first hand. 23:55:25 plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: 23:57:23 > When do you expect to be paid?... (full message at )