00:00:06 These milestones dont make sense, for one 00:01:31 a ccs to 'qualify for the academy awards' i meant, not 3 (if thats how it seems) 00:01:37 First milestone - The film must win an award at one of the ~130 Academy Award-qualifying festivals throughout the world 00:01:37 Submission fees ~10k, almost entire first milestone 00:01:37 Second milestone: qualifying as a result of milestone 1 00:01:56 Second milestone is.. a trophy? 00:02:34 I understand he has plans for the money, but those plans are none of our business 00:02:53 CCS ends after milestone 1 is successful, leading to an immediate milestone 2 success 00:03:22 Its really milestone 0 and 1 00:03:38 0 is submit 00:03:38 1 is qualify 00:04:51 Edit 00:04:51 0 is submission fees to qualifying festivals 00:04:51 1 is winning at 1/130 qualifying festivals 00:05:28 25k to win at 1/130 qualifying festivals smells like a rug 00:05:42 Oscars? There's no fkn Oscar in the milestones 00:05:50 Buzzwords 00:05:51 the milestone is to protect the community in case I drop the ball with securing a qualification 00:06:20 this is literally in the proposal: "I make no guarantees that we will win an Oscar or be nominated" 00:06:31 we dont have to raise funds at once for both milestones imo 00:06:33 Protect how? You get paid in full as long as you win at 1/130 shows that 00:06:44 plowsof11: They are the same milestone 00:07:07 You cant open a ccs for "I won, now pay me" 00:07:15 That is milestone 2 00:07:34 it's one proposal, not two. we can talk about the milestones if you wish. 00:07:52 ofrnxmr[m]: do you want to save this discussion for Saturday? it's on the agenda 00:08:02 then i'd have to clarify its for the 'qualify for the guaranteed cheaper option' then come back 00:08:16 Meeting is only an hr, ill be there 00:08:55 plowsof11: Maths dont add up 00:09:07 3k for movies =/= 12k 00:09:20 Theater* singular 00:09:40 plowsof11: why are we creating new rules for this proposal? should other proposals with milestones open separate funding requests? 00:10:10 its at the idea stage 00:10:12 ofrnxmr[m]: please read what's already been written. your questions were already asked and answered. 00:10:18 No new rules, hes just 1 vote. RIGHT..? 00:10:22 'fund the cheaper option' seems sane imo 00:10:44 geonic: Ive read everything and the ccs is a joke and you know it 00:10:50 you don't have to donate, remember? 00:10:52 and then come back - assuming a great success 00:11:00 3 quote get the cheap one ;) 00:11:25 iirc a movie has 2 years from release to qualify for the oscars 00:11:33 12k upfront and wants to talk about changing rules 00:11:49 why are people acting like we're introducing a dev tax for this proposal. we're talking about voluntary donations. 00:12:07 if you don't like the price, don't donate 00:12:18 The price isnt the problem 00:12:28 Animated videos ate $400 per min and are terrible 00:12:34 This is ~$625 00:12:36 it seems that's the only objection now, since we've run out of legal issuesTM, "but monero isn't said"TM and other isms 00:12:39 And high quality 00:12:55 so what's the issue? the milestones? 00:13:04 Yes 00:13:09 ok, suggest better milestones 00:13:28 I dont know how to scam 00:13:32 lol 00:13:32 Better* 00:13:39 Mj would be a better person to write em 00:13:46 my own ccs proposal came in at 6 months - readjusted to 3 months (lower total funding amount) to achieve the same end goals 00:14:06 plowsof11: your proposal is for an ongoing "job", and it assumes that there will be a new proposal every 3 months 00:14:13 I don't plan on funding my movies through CCS campaigns 00:14:50 only if those 3 months are good - otherwise it would be "only if the 6 months are good" (but , i still added in early termination things but still) 00:14:58 and you'll remember that you didn't really negotiate on the rate. it was a take-it-or-leave-it deal 00:15:13 No it wasnt 00:15:22 so if I fail miserably, 70+ XMR goes to the General Fund. is that such a bad scenario? 00:15:30 what are you protecting against exactly? 00:15:31 Yes 00:15:39 How do you fail? 00:15:43 if someone else applied to undercut me or provide a better service they can do so 00:15:45 not deliver on the qualification 00:15:47 Milestone 1 is an instant win 00:16:05 All you have to do is submit the movie. Are you going to fuck that up on purpose? 00:16:16 many proposals are changed during the idea stage and rarely go to funding without changing something 00:16:42 ok, so this is just a matter of changing something to say the community had a say in it 00:16:42 got it 00:16:59 Read what I just said 00:17:11 I don't plan on going through this process a second time. you know how taxing it is on the proposer to be put through the wringer. 00:17:30 I've made a proposal that is fair and includes some protections for the community if I don't deliver 00:17:31 Scam harder 00:17:50 if you have better ideas, lmk. but saying do this again in 6 months or whatever is not it. 00:17:51 you feel like rules are being changed or something.. i notice there is a portion of the community with a negative sentiment - and offer a suggestion which could appease them? i don't know 00:17:51 What protections, read what I just said 00:18:03 whilst still leaving the option open for achieving the initial funding amount of the ccs) 00:18:44 'eventually' 00:18:45 why cant you do it again in 6 months? 00:19:22 geonic: did ya ignore me? 00:19:22 I plan on publicizing the CCS and doing some actual fundraising work instead of sitting back and relying on people to donate out of a feeling of duty 00:19:45 so splitting the proposal = doing that work twice 00:20:05 you're hiring a publicist though 00:20:09 by the same logic, I could ask why don't you do monthly proposals? 00:20:11 xD 00:20:20 we can nitpick all day 00:20:22 🤡 00:20:36 Mj's best Bud right there 00:20:43 most devs have to do the work every 3 months 00:20:45 mj's daddy 00:20:55 Needs vik to use ALTs and everything 00:20:55 why dont you want to do it in 6 months? 00:21:15 because the gatekeeping is HARD! 00:21:18 "All you have to do is submit the..." <- ^ 00:21:35 Core can hold the funds for 6+ months and release them if everything is kosher. what's the big deal? 00:21:37 "so if I fail miserably, 70..." <- ^ 00:22:10 geonic: ....... Milestone 1 is payout immediately ...... 00:22:20 correct 00:22:49 and milestone 2 is if I follow through on what I promised 00:22:52 what's unclear 00:23:05 geonic: Follow through on what 00:23:14 getting the film qualified 00:23:26 And that happens in milestone 1 00:23:47 Sorry, milestone 2 is not get qualifitd 00:23:47 its win at a qualifying show 00:23:50 RIGHT. and then after the film is qualified, the award campaign begins and the money from milestone 2 is spent 00:24:05 And winning at a qualifying show if the goal of milestone 1 00:24:11 What is the goal of milestone 2? 00:24:18 we're going in circles 00:24:21 geonic: That isnt in any milestone 00:24:34 it is 00:24:35 Thats the imaginary milestone 3 00:24:46 No, milestone 2 is get paid after qualifying 00:24:56 Not campaign or do anything else 00:25:01 "Once the film qualifies, the remaining funds will go towards hiring a publicist and running an awards campaign." 00:25:06 that's in the proposal 00:25:13 ofrnxmr[m]: After winning at a small festival** 00:25:14 not sure what you're on about 00:25:42 it can be a small festival or a big festival, I don't know. or it might be a theatrical screening 00:26:01 Anyway 00:26:12 Congrats in advance 00:26:14 but thank you for noting that the price is good! 00:26:25 Its very good.. 00:26:45 there are at least three festivals in Australia btw 00:26:55 Maybe you can help the animated video folks with their scripts 😆 00:27:07 I can try 00:27:13 At least with some advice 00:27:35 its been a year and we're almost done with script 1 00:27:37 artists have even bigger egos than coders. it's hard taking advice 00:28:54 you dont wannt do the ccs thing in 6 months , but everyone else on the ccs 'does the thing' every 3 months - and it generally gets easier after a good performance - your film will do amazingly well and will walk right through to funding in 6 months 00:29:27 The scripts for the voiceovers are terrible. 00:29:27 The animations are yet to be seen in final form, but savandra did make good stuff before.. but these scripts can use a hand 00:29:49 plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: why would he wait.. the money is waiting for hin 00:30:09 6 months is just "because I said wait". Thats not reasonable at all 00:30:26 He can open both ccs at the same time, and still split them 00:30:32 But to wait is absolute nonsense 00:31:29 again, the proposals you're using for comparison are for ongoing work. I can give you plenty of examples where that wasn't the case (actually every individual project that's gone through the CCS that I remember) 00:32:09 Time is money, especially when he needs to push a film in a fast moving industry 00:33:03 Id agree with multiple ccs, that are more clear in their goals. But current ccs is a solid no from me. Not because of amount either 00:33:15 :) 00:33:45 Like, why 1 week in new york 00:34:16 because thats where important people live 00:34:23 Why not 1 week at s theater in Prague, Mexico city as well? Or whatever 00:34:26 next question 00:34:53 because the Academy are gatekeepers too and they have rules 00:34:55 we're going in circles here 00:35:06 exactly 00:35:44 plowsof11: splitting the proposal would also mean splitting the deliverables 00:36:10 We dont get any deliverables, really 00:36:25 so how do we want to divide it... just half the Monero logo in the credits? or maybe half a trailer or whatever 00:36:41 Monerochan 00:36:41 ofrnxmr[m]: I've offered to create plowsof's "misleading trailer" idea, which would be permissively licensed and include all the Monero bits in the movie 00:36:58 that's a pretty solid deliverable 00:37:05 Front in the preroll, backshot in credits 00:37:07 ok nice 00:37:53 'i think its breaking the rules' -> core say no , ok 00:38:14 Core says yacht is a go, so im cool with that 00:38:31 'i think everyone shuld see the movie' -> 15% can be public / im going to offer donators a priv link 00:38:36 New year, new yacht 00:38:56 is it donators or donors, what's final 00:39:09 we havn't voted YET 00:39:21 Donationers 00:39:32 donatoes 00:39:37 Ill make a donate 00:39:44 Do not kidding sir 00:40:22 every proposal is a chance for the next guy to use as precedent to push something through 00:40:37 im trying to be v v careful sirs 00:41:16 no more wip , no more pain 00:41:17 no more donate to gf if bad things happen 00:41:18 our GF is rich AF 00:41:26 she aint askin' for no 70 xmr anymore 00:41:50 🥳🥳🥳 00:42:09 plowsof11: you know the milestones will be reached 00:42:27 Of course they will 00:42:31 the next guy will be mean 00:42:35 v v mean 00:43:03 Seriously. Is there any fantasy where the milestones arent a 100% success 00:43:13 no. :) 00:43:39 And by success, I mean "I signed up for school and took a test. Got an A on one of then" 00:44:02 it's not as easy as you think 00:44:10 Do you plan to submit to ~130 festivals? Or only some? 00:44:10 im coming from the point of someone who is probably going to be here , for the next proposal to use coral reef as precedent 00:44:25 I thought the precedent here was the Monero sail? 00:44:46 sir im not talking about the monero church the reef or the sail 00:44:51 Never said it was easy. 130 is like 100 more than I can count on my fingers 00:45:08 ofrnxmr[m]: Serious question 00:45:14 lol 00:45:15 or the yacht? or tesla? i forget 00:45:21 are you asking yourself questions now 00:45:26 Jetla 00:45:49 Geonic is talking to himself again 00:45:52 what im trying to say is fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on .... erm 00:46:15 coral reef was top secret, people donated blindly 00:46:21 Do you plan to submit to ~130 festivals? Or only some? 00:46:21 Serious question 00:46:28 I'm offering to send a screener link to every donor before they donate 00:47:08 ofrnxmr[m]: you don't have to, but it increases your chances 00:47:18 im just aware of the mean persons who will use this in the future as precedent, this is where my suggestion comes from (in this case, you're guna get those milestones but we've seen some bad proposals let me tell ya) 00:47:28 Asking you what you are doing 00:47:38 so we're solving for a future problem, not for a current one 00:48:08 every proposal can be used as precedent 00:48:12 ofrnxmr[m]: submitting absolutely everywhere, including all BAFTA and GOYA qualifying festivals. the more exposure the better. 00:48:28 So yes to ~130? 00:48:57 it will be more than 130 by the time we finish, but not all will be AA qualifying 00:49:25 Have you done this before? As ambitiously? Ie a lot of submission? 00:49:31 no, not on this scale 00:49:43 never made anything as good either 00:49:55 But something similar? 00:49:55 Have you ever won at any of them before? 00:50:03 yes 00:50:11 not any of those festivals, smaller ones 00:50:18 Multiple films? 00:50:33 https://www.imdb.com/name/nm11077440/awards/?ref_=nm_awd 00:50:42 yea 00:52:58 So I expect... as many wins as monero is on coinmarket cap 00:53:09 :) 00:53:26 Monero will be top 2 soon, dont worry 00:53:31 don't you feel intimidated by our current talent pool of 3d animators? what if they decided to turn the animatic into a short action film and compete with you 00:53:37 haha 00:53:51 (Better shill the shit out of monero when you talk to all of your bid partners) 00:53:51 thankfully we're in different categories 00:53:58 I think a Monero animated film could be a winner too 00:54:06 Omg 00:54:46 $1000/minute for animatic * 40 minutes 00:54:50 https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=0ZK5WLU2lGQ&local=true 00:54:54 we can write the screenplay on Github. I can spam everyone's inbox 00:54:58 It has changed since 00:55:01 sorry, GItlab 00:55:27 most animations are shorter. 15-20 mins is good 00:55:28 i love that eye ball bag 00:55:40 ^ I dont remember, but I think this script is still close to the new revisions 00:56:46 geonic: that video has the script for the animated videos ccs 00:56:46 I wont comment on the images in the video, as they arent reflective of the current animations 00:57:36 its definitely better than it was https://gitlab.com/monero-videos/monero-adoption-animated-videos/-/blob/main/Video%201%20Script%3A%20Why%20Use%20Monero%20for%20Commerce%3F.md 00:58:06 Also. 00:58:06 I'm voting to kill the animations ccs and give the money to Geonic 00:58:24 Lmao. Jk. Geonic should take over the ccs 00:58:32 how dare you suggest that they monero outreach 36 xmr also be donated to the movie 00:58:43 :D 00:59:04 geonic: im serious on the latter part 00:59:36 let's see how my ccs goes first. one disappointment at a time, please. 00:59:39 subsidise that film to appease the angry crowd of sock puppets 00:59:40 :P 00:59:47 If youd be interested, or can hire someone that can produce quality stuff at the stated rates... please come save us 01:00:13 can u link me to the ccs 01:00:16 get a film to the oscars is literally 'monero outreach' HM 01:00:17 geonic: They other one is already funded 01:00:22 Its yours for the taking 01:00:43 which ccs 01:00:44 my reddit flair is monero outreach something something 01:00:47 the animation one 01:01:12 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/308 01:01:14 https://gitlab.com/monero-videos/monero-adoption-animated-videos/-/blob/main/Video%201%20Script%3A%20Why%20Use%20Monero%20for%20Commerce%3F.md 01:01:26 Plowsof sent direct link 01:01:31 thats script 1 ^ that we're working on 01:01:44 its been 12 months , let us know how we're doing 01:02:45 design by committeeTM 01:03:42 savandra posted a storyboard and 3D concepts a week ago, what's wrong with them? 01:04:03 theyre great 01:04:31 No complaints or comments on animations atm. 01:04:31 But the script 01:04:47 the script writer had some nice feedback https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10qrwd3/comment/j6x4n57/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 01:05:05 but generally - theyre a huge improvement to what weve had so far 01:05:16 Huge 01:05:21 lol 01:05:30 yeah, I think it will turn out OK 01:05:35 So im willing to shutup because progress 01:05:37 just a little slow but that's open sores for ya 01:05:49 The script tho geo.. 01:05:50 if it goes well we can stop babysitting them 01:05:52 Scripts* 01:06:12 nah the babysitting helps. just gotta move it along quicker 01:06:31 but that means more work for me 01:06:38 yes, sorry 01:06:43 thank you 01:06:51 had me worried there a second 01:07:29 but you gotta do weekly proposals now so we know you're not scamming :p 01:08:00 sirs, please upvote my daily proposal. there are 6 hours left before it is closed 01:08:00 Plowsof doesnt get paid 01:08:08 The ccs is just for show 01:08:09 haha 01:08:15 Still a volunteer 01:08:23 yeah it's literally magic internet money anyway 01:08:28 Working from the soup kitchen 01:08:41 we're just trading points back and forth 01:09:46 the oscars proposal is on the ideas page 01:09:51 why nobody tell me anything 01:09:55 I did 01:09:57 sad 01:10:06 you have too many accounts 01:10:31 lol thanks for making the changes 01:11:27 didn't you get like 6 spam emails 01:12:07 I did 01:12:15 Geez geo 01:12:21 noobalert 01:12:40 Edited using the browser? 01:12:48 but of course 01:13:00 is there another way? :D 01:13:24 theyre all inside '1' for me, impressive that its displaying now, well done 01:13:25 git clone 01:13:25 edit on desktop 01:13:36 (I think.) 01:14:06 Cant recall if ive opened any ccs recently 01:14:06 ofrnxmr[m]> "doubt the gen fund would donate" <- Doubt lol <- I don't run it 01:14:39 different department 01:14:41 Who does? 01:14:50 Binaryfate 01:14:51 Hello? Human resources? 01:15:16 > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> git clone 01:15:16 > edit on desktop 01:15:16 Clone, do as many commits as you want, squash and push 01:15:20 Siren[m]: Plowsof, yuve been summoned 01:15:22 Meatbag 01:18:30 while removing the images from the pull request using gitlabs web IDE - geonic began doubting his actions, "make a seperate commit or directly What??" he exclaimed. feeling defeated and without hope he began to cry. all of a sudden, a shimmer of light... coming from the book shelf.. a gold coin with the letter M .... 01:18:51 Then he drank the meth 01:18:56 haha 01:19:14 doubt is for the intelligent. I just clicked around 01:19:21 click around and find out 01:20:05 rugged individualism , love to see it 01:21:46 geonic: https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=d6sbPCIEMyI&local=true 01:21:47 kind of doxxing myself there a bit ^ i may or may not be the fictional author who was paid to correct script 1 01:22:08 #doxtease 01:22:51 Its ok plowsof, I know my own writing from a mile away 01:23:04 can we ask him to submit a presentation for monerokon (the click around and find out guy) 01:23:36 ofrnxmr[m]: nice 01:24:51 > I believe the gradient to be more exponential. In my experience you can fuck around a bit and not necessarily find anything out. But when you reach the inflection point it quickly rises, and your level of Finding Out greatly increases at a rate well past the linear case. 01:24:51 Comment 01:24:51 Haha 01:25:24 lol that's good 01:26:51 fuck around and find out 01:50:47 <5b2z4xywy> "so they are KYC-free ?: O" <- The “prepaid” ones are. The “relodables” aren’t. 01:51:06 s/relodables/reloadables/ 01:58:16 There’s a reason for that. I’m not sure what. I do t know the baking system intimately enough to know. But there’s a subtle difference behind the scenes in transaction processing that makes them more afraid of reloadables than prepaids. 01:58:19 s/do/don’/ 01:59:31 It could be something as simple as preside require more frequent interactions. But it could also be a subtler flaw in how it all works underneath. 01:59:39 Saw on Stoic AI that BTC is supposed to have a 100% upside in the medium term...I call BS. 01:59:59 s/preside/prepaids/ 02:04:56 i almost forgot, Monero is a swiss bank account in ya pocket glhf 02:07:23 localmonero cash by mail, next question 02:08:21 Friends work 02:08:34 <5b2z4xywy> "hmm so theoretically just..." <- Possibly. I rewrite hotel cards and use em at POS systems. A couple of times I was searched, and they took all my cards. They overlook hotel room key cards. 02:10:01 For exchanging xmr 02:10:28 a prepaid visa/mastercard gift card will be fine then? maybe i like riding bikes alone to and we can be best friends and ride together 02:11:57 Solved 02:15:54 <5b2z4xywy> "not always e.g. when biking..." <- It’s what I do. I’m a digital nomad with a modified electric bike and a solar panel. Trying to be as off the grid as possible, and just live my life, meeting interesting people doing interesting things without worrying about who the tick is breathing down my neck out of boredom or as a means of collecting a bootlickers pay check. 02:16:16 s/tick/fuck/ 02:17:22 Power film 160watt. 02:17:46 Genasun WPB booster to regulate the charge. 02:18:03 #monero-offtopic:monero.social 02:20:35 #monero-offtopic Shane on Conduit.rs ⚡️: try thus 02:21:18 I mean try the link without Monero.social 02:21:47 #monero-offtopic:libera.chat maybe? 02:22:14 IRC keeps kicking you 02:22:40 :( 08:13:33 "K…3??" <- https://k3s.io/ 13:15:48 Hi, i got shadowban because i'm out of karma. Can a reddit mod unremove my post : https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10wwb9c/cuprate_a_monero_rust_node_is_open_to/ 13:15:55 * Hi, i got shadowban because i'm out of karma. Can a reddit mod unremove my post pls : https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10wwb9c/cuprate\_a\_monero\_rust\_node\_is\_open\_to/ 13:17:51 a working link will help them 13:19:50 Kek why does that link look like that and still work 13:20:33 Approved the post, have fun 13:23:07 wtf idk why it looks like that 13:23:08 thx anyway 13:41:48 Rucknium: njalla down again 🗿 15:00:18 Create Educational Content in Spanish has moved to funding! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/1lovera-create-educational-content.html 18:49:17 https://github.com/SyntheticBird45/cuprate 19:03:47 Hey, I need some help testing a Monero feature :) 19:03:47 I need someone to send me an amount of Monero (any amount) with a lock time of >10 blocks. Will send same amount of Monero back 😅 19:14:49 Send address 19:19:44 "Send address" <- Give me 15 minutes :) 19:20:03 will DM 21:26:51 is there an Esperanto term for a Monero user? 21:36:07 literal translation is monero uzanto. the portmanteau "monerozanto" sounds pretty good to me 21:37:08 it's not in any Esperanto dictionary afaict and has 0 hits on Google. machines translate it as "coin-operator" or "money maker", which is pretty cool 21:37:45 https://en.glosbe.com/eo/en/monerozanto 21:38:16 I feel like we've had this convo before, any reminders would be helpful :p 21:53:19 I like moneroid 21:56:11 https://www.thefreedictionary.com/words-that-end-in-oid 21:57:00 sounds like a type of cancer to me :D 21:57:22 Would be easy to make rap songs rhyming it lol 21:57:42 kinda rhymes with paranoid! 21:57:53 it's a winner lol 21:57:54 > sounds like a type of cancer to me :D 21:57:54 Oh no I have moneroid. The only cure is... 21:59:03 https://open.spotify.com/track/6LgJvl0Xdtc73RJ1mmpotq?si=a1b2f8b36b5b4d27 21:59:04 Paranoid moneroid 21:59:27 haha 22:00:02 you're not a real monero user until you catch... moneroid 22:01:50 moneroid rage :@ 22:02:30 so many good album names 22:02:49 any musicians please step up 22:03:29 moneroid sounds like an insult 22:03:59