05:30:35 <DanIsnotthemanBr> is anyone using busybordem acceptxmr?
06:23:13 <BusyBoredom[m]> I've had a few people reach out to me with questions about using it, but I haven't seen any finished websites using it besides my own so far. The up-front cost of setting it up is high since you need to write your own webserver integration in rust if you're using it in a website. 
06:56:32 <cockliuser[m]> Most people use BTCPay with the Monero plugin currently 
06:59:03 <cockliuser[m]> Bitcoin (₿) was accepted by Unicode, I wonder if they would accept a Monero character 
07:07:04 <cockliuser[m]> There's ɱ but it's has it's own usage other than a currency symbol while ₿ is dedicated to BTC
07:31:45 <DanIsnotthemanBr> was curious if anyone else was using your acceptxmr intergation
09:51:34 <geonic> https://home.unicode.org/membership/members/
09:57:42 <eudaimon36[m]> Interesting new article on recent US bahavior: https://www.piratewires.com/p/crypto-choke-point?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=55605&post_id=101709817&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
09:57:43 <eudaimon36[m]>  * Interesting new article on recent US behavior: https://www.piratewires.com/p/crypto-choke-point?utm\_source=post-email-title&publication\_id=55605&post\_id=101709817&isFreemail=true&utm\_medium=email
09:58:21 <eudaimon36[m]> Not surprise to most of us here, but much useful info.
09:58:22 <eudaimon36[m]> s/Not/No/
11:24:21 <DanIsnotthemanBr> One would think ftx was planned
11:38:50 <TheDisruptiveCol> <123bob123> "One would think ftx was planned..." <- Personally believe this is the case, to ruin retail confidence in crypto and justification of legislation.  Classic problem, reaction, solution. 
11:40:35 <TheDisruptiveCol> > <@123bob123:matrix.org> One would think ftx was planned
11:40:35 <TheDisruptiveCol>  * Personally believe this is the case, to ruin retail confidence in crypto and justification of legislation.  Classic problem, reaction, solution. 
13:45:49 <nioc> https://localbitcoins.com/service_closure/
13:51:41 <sech1> wtf
13:51:58 <sech1> I have like $1 worth of BTC there
13:52:22 <TheDisruptiveCol> rip 
14:21:46 <cockliuser[m]> <nioc> "https://localbitcoins.com/..." <- 🦀 
14:21:50 <cockliuser[m]> "how dare customers stop using us after we implement kyc"
15:07:13 <sech1> lol, I have less BTC on localbitcoins than their withdrawal fee
15:09:52 <Siren[m]> Scammed
15:10:17 <Siren[m]> Sue tf out of them if they're in EU
15:11:14 <sech1> They are registered in Finland
15:11:28 <sech1> sue them for 5 SEK? Nah
15:22:18 <Siren[m]> You can get more out of the lawsuit probably
15:22:23 <Siren[m]> And they might get fined
15:37:12 <xfedex[m]> <cockliuser[m]> ""how dare customers stop using..." <- It's sadly not their fault
15:37:50 <xfedex[m]> EU requires everyone to do forced KYC
15:38:19 <xfedex[m]> I had to shut down muchtips.xyz because of dumb EU laws :-(
15:41:40 <xfedex[m]> you cannot make a meme site because according to EU it will be used by evil darknet hackers to do money laundering... so you need to force KYC or close it
15:42:47 <Siren[m]> So they were a custodial service?
15:42:53 <Siren[m]> Or were they also handling fiat?
15:43:32 <SireAzaleth[m]> <cockliuser[m]> ""how dare customers stop using..." <- kyc more like kys
16:06:15 <RavFX[m]> LBC KYC is on since 3-4 years if not more.
16:06:15 <RavFX[m]> Maybe they stopped because some news said that drugs cartels where using it to load on cryptos like a month ago or something
16:08:13 <RavFX[m]> LBC added new feature like less than a month ago : https://twitter.com/ElizabethHopk14/status/1622576675237011457
16:08:13 <RavFX[m]> Maybe it was state forced shutdown?
16:08:50 <RavFX[m]> s/ElizabethHopk14/LocalBitcoins/, s/1622576675237011457/1616918083532361730/
17:13:39 <cockliuser[m]> <Siren[m]> "Scammed" <- They gave a withdrawal time of 12 months apparently 
17:17:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> They are going to steal sech1s dollar
17:26:00 <sech1> 50 cents!
17:46:35 <monerobull[m]> what is cake doing
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17:46:44 <monerobull[m]> re-inventing open alias?
17:51:45 <bridgerton[m]> <᷾s> Let's be honest most people don't have a clue how to setup dns let alone openalias
17:52:14 <bridgerton[m]> <᷾s> Plus Twitter bios are more reliable than third party services offering OpenAlias addresses
17:55:53 <chesterfield[m]> Dns also costs money and isn’t a one time fee
17:55:54 <chesterfield[m]> Unless you use a Yat 👀
17:56:27 <monerobull[m]> i mean yeah
17:56:42 <monerobull[m]> but twitter bios already work
17:56:49 <monerobull[m]> this seems to be something new
17:57:02 <monerobull[m]> with mapping addresses to domains/tweets or something
17:57:18 <monerobull[m]> which im not sure how theyll implement securely
17:57:50 <chesterfield[m]> Yeah seems like it will be a brittle integration
17:58:09 <chesterfield[m]> But I’m okay with companies trying out stuff
17:58:24 <chesterfield[m]> Doesn’t wownero have some kind of yellow pages thing
17:58:57 <Siren[m]> Twitter is a shit company that can pull something trollish on all of y'all 
17:59:06 <Siren[m]> At least trust mastodon or something else
18:00:00 <chesterfield[m]> I’m guesssing Twitter will just be the first implementation
18:00:22 <chesterfield[m]> Presumably they could use it for mast and nostr etc
18:00:30 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: Anything that involved nostr protocol is more suitable 
18:00:38 <bridgerton[m]> <᷾s> Wownero has a centralized login system (courtesy of the NSA)
18:00:40 <Siren[m]> * Anything that involves nostr protocol is more suitable as it's not tied to a homeserver
18:00:48 <chesterfield[m]> Based
18:01:23 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: But these days as far as I know account migrations are possible on mastodon so if you suspect something shady you can just move out
18:02:17 <bridgerton[m]> <᷾s> Siren: matrix without homeserver wen
18:02:40 <Siren[m]> It's already here
18:02:46 <chesterfield[m]> 👀
18:02:52 <Siren[m]> arewep2pyet.com
18:03:03 <Siren[m]> You can download the test build 
18:03:10 <Siren[m]> It does work
18:03:16 <Siren[m]> It also works without internet
18:03:23 <chesterfield[m]> P2p?  Not clicking that
18:03:52 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: Over bluetooth or local net 
18:03:54 <chesterfield[m]> Siren[m]: Um excuse me
18:04:00 <chesterfield[m]> You must pay the monthly fee
18:04:05 <Siren[m]> Bruh
18:04:15 <bridgerton[m]> <᷾s> That's just IRC though
18:04:17 <monerobull[m]> DONT use p2p stuff at work
18:04:17 <bridgerton[m]> <᷾s> P2P IRC wen
18:04:20 <Siren[m]> If you run the p2p app your phone can also act as a relay
18:04:27 <Siren[m]> Wdym just IRC?
18:04:34 <Siren[m]> It's more than that bruh
18:04:38 <bridgerton[m]> <᷾s> Over LAN
18:04:48 <chesterfield[m]> > slaps fibreoptic network.  You see these fibers aren’t feee
18:05:03 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: If two people are far away the middle people will relay the messages
18:05:07 <Stnby[m]> It uses BLE or LAN all E2E
18:05:07 <monerobull[m]> the firewall now has a nice flashy warning about "gstatic.loli.net" thanks to me playing with nostr
18:05:23 <Stnby[m]> Great matrix p2p demo
18:05:28 <Stnby[m]> Used it in airplane
18:05:33 <chesterfield[m]> Wow
18:05:35 <Siren[m]> Also yeah matrix is more than a chat app
18:05:53 <bridgerton[m]> <᷾s> loli.net 💀
18:05:53 <Siren[m]> It's more like a protocol for secure communication, can do a lot more than just chat
18:05:57 <bridgerton[m]> <᷾s> Chinese people are weird
18:06:07 <monerobull[m]> its apparently just an image hosting service
18:06:08 <monerobull[m]> -.-
18:06:13 <chesterfield[m]> Siren[m]: Like what
18:06:26 <bridgerton[m]> <᷾s> Yeah but loli.net 💀
18:06:27 <Siren[m]> chesterfield[m]: thirdroom.io/
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18:06:42 <monerobull[m]> and bcs someone on nostr uploaded their image to that, thats what the firewall says
18:06:54 <bridgerton[m]> <᷾s> Couldn't have just left it at sm.ms 💀
18:06:55 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: AR rooms over Matrix protocol
18:07:04 <Siren[m]> Demonstrated by the dev himself
18:07:24 <Siren[m]> I like where this is going and what they're all making
18:07:30 <monerobull[m]> Siren[m]: >we dont have the decryption key yet. this might take a while
18:07:34 <chesterfield[m]> Is that Charles hoskinson
18:07:46 <bridgerton[m]> <᷾s> I can do AR rooms over IRC 😛
18:07:49 <Siren[m]> Don't remember
18:08:01 <Siren[m]> But it was a nice presentation 
18:08:09 <Siren[m]> Lotsa hype :D
18:08:12 <chesterfield[m]> Probably not.  There aren’t any mini donkeys on stage
18:09:50 <Siren[m]> Anyways Monero should get a stand
18:10:07 <Siren[m]> Advertise itself as "Free payment system"
18:10:35 <Siren[m]> Break the prejudices people even in the FOSS community have towards crypto
18:11:45 <monerobull[m]> a lot of reasonable foss people accept monero as the only true crypto already
18:11:47 <monerobull[m]> and then there is gnu taler which is retarded
18:12:15 <Siren[m]> monerobull[m]: Even though I asked GNU project and Matrix to accept Monero, they don't 
18:12:27 <Siren[m]> I actually don't know any FOSS project or people who do that
18:13:39 <Stnby[m]> Literally the only place I regularly spend XMR is 1984.is not even aware of many other places that accept XMR
18:13:43 <Siren[m]> FSF doesn't accept Monero but Bitcoin, I emailed twice to ask them to accept Monero and said I would donate monthly if they did
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18:14:16 <monerobull[m]> Stnby[m]: nja.la 
18:14:17 <monerobull[m]> anonaddy
18:14:21 <Siren[m]> Good but not enough
18:14:25 <monerobull[m]> orangewebsite
18:14:28 <Siren[m]> monerobull[m]: Njalla is shitty
18:14:31 <Siren[m]> And sussy
18:14:37 <monerobull[m]> i know 
18:14:39 <Siren[m]> 1984 is great though
18:14:40 <Stnby[m]> Njalla I'd rather kms
18:14:45 <monerobull[m]> went down yesterday once again kek
18:14:45 <Siren[m]> More people need to accept it
18:15:04 <monerobull[m]> monerosupplies.com ;:))
18:15:07 <Stnby[m]> monerobull[m]: Did they rage on their customers again?
18:15:28 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: I'd appreciate if someone can also ask them
18:15:37 <Siren[m]> * I'd appreciate it if someone can also ask them
18:15:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Siren[m]: Will do
18:15:46 <Stnby[m]> Stnby[m]: Use the CONTACT form. Bitch your whole infra is down including the contact form.
18:16:14 <Siren[m]> Why though? How do you fuck up an LXC container and a static website?
18:16:36 <monerobull[m]> i emailed some german "online privacy" group because they only accepted paypal, bank and bitcoin (btc only with the disclaimer of how terrible it is for the climate and to please donate with paypal if possible)
18:16:46 <Siren[m]> How did it go?
18:17:07 <Siren[m]> Climate thingy is bullshit
18:17:07 <monerobull[m]> they said theyll look into it but havent done anything 
18:17:11 <Siren[m]> Fucking swift and sepa waste a lot more
18:17:14 <Rucknium[m]> https://moneroresearch.info/ is still down (hosted by Njalla)
18:17:33 <Stnby[m]> At least not the credit card. We all know how much resources those 69 floor bank offices use up
18:17:46 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: Swift is the main platform for laundering money
18:17:56 <Siren[m]> More money is laundered there than any crypto
18:18:54 <Siren[m]> These banks need to house their workers in physical offices, their workers need to commute to work, have servers and infra. Operate in caveman ways.
18:19:12 <Siren[m]> They need to make plastic cards and paper cash from trees
18:19:20 <Siren[m]> It's all fucking bullshit
18:20:16 <monerobull[m]> Rucknium[m]: gg
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18:21:37 <monerobull[m]> based swiss tor hoster
18:21:46 <monerobull[m]> all the german ones only accept SEPA -.-
18:21:52 <Siren[m]> Why do you need Tor hosting?
18:22:01 <Siren[m]> Are you running a service or a node?
18:22:12 <monerobull[m]> no these are the ones that host relays and exit nodes
18:22:19 <Siren[m]> Ah
18:23:53 <monerobull[m]> calyx has every crypto under the sun lol
18:24:16 <Stnby[m]> Probably binance addresses tbh
18:24:22 <Stnby[m]> Nothing to be proud off
18:24:28 <Stnby[m]> s/off/of/
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18:25:31 <monerobull[m]> that is the default for crypto donations lmao
18:26:15 <Stnby[m]> What is more environmentally damaging? Python or Monero?
18:26:34 <Siren[m]> Python
18:28:01 <Siren[m]> Anyways what are your thoughts on OXEN? It's a Monero fork that supposedly has to do with Session and Lokinet.
18:28:33 <monerobull[m]> whats its point
18:28:40 <Siren[m]> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
18:28:48 <monerobull[m]> yeah
18:29:07 <monerobull[m]> i dont like any cryptos that just exist to attach to something
18:29:13 <Siren[m]> "Session (a fully anonymous encrypted messaging service) and Lokinet (a cutting edge low-latency onion router) both utilise the Oxen Service Node network to safeguard user privacy and anonymity."
18:29:13 <Siren[m]> https://oxen.io/session-lokinet
18:29:18 <Siren[m]> I'm not trying to promote it
18:29:25 <Siren[m]> Just thought you guys know it better
18:29:28 <Siren[m]> Probably 
18:29:38 <monerobull[m]> thorchain rune, neccessarry for the swaps to work, sure
18:29:40 <Siren[m]> I'm confused on how Monero is used here?
18:29:58 <monerobull[m]> they took the node infra
18:30:06 <monerobull[m]> i guess?
18:30:08 <Siren[m]> Or anything derived from it
18:30:34 <Siren[m]> monerobull[m]: Wdym?
18:30:41 <Siren[m]> Like how
18:30:57 <monerobull[m]> like forked the node software so they wouldnt have to start from scratch? idk
18:31:37 <Siren[m]> Hmm
18:32:29 <Siren[m]> Well they could have taken Nostr and awarded their OPs with Monero or any crypto instead
18:32:52 <Siren[m]> OXEN seven seem fit for the things they're building
18:32:53 <Siren[m]> Weird
18:33:04 <Siren[m]> * OXEN doesn't even seem fit for the things they're building
18:33:29 <Siren[m]> Could be that Nostr didn't exist back then
18:34:05 <monerobull[m]> lol
18:34:19 <monerobull[m]> you need to stake 2.5k$ to run a node
18:34:30 <monerobull[m]> people dont even run tor nodes which is free
18:34:52 <monerobull[m]> im sure you wont have a network mostly consisting of well funded state actors with such a requirement 😂
18:34:52 <Siren[m]> monerobull[m]: That's utter bullshir
18:34:56 <Siren[m]> * That's utter bullshit
18:35:02 <Rucknium[m]> The moneroresearch.info VPS is functioning, but it rebooted during the Njalla downtime.  Need to restart the...something
18:35:22 <monerobull[m]> im glad monerosupplies has so far always restarted 
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18:36:16 <monerobull[m]> that is so cringe
18:36:39 <Siren[m]> Why won't you host on 1984.is? No I haven't tried hosting there because it's expensive compared to what I can buy via credit card :(
18:36:55 <Siren[m]> Buy I buy and manage domain names through there and it looks quality
18:37:04 <Siren[m]> s/Buy/But/, s/I/we/
18:37:38 <Rucknium[m]> I host some things on 1984. At this point I am considering fully switching.
18:37:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> <Siren[m]> "OXEN seven seem fit for the..." <- Session messenger taught be they arent serious about privacy 
18:38:00 <monerobull[m]> i didnt want to make an account just to see the xmr prices
18:38:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> They did contribute to bp+ ccs iirc
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18:38:33 <monerobull[m]> do they only have 8 nodes live?
18:38:45 <Siren[m]> I heard in total they have about 1k
18:38:48 <Siren[m]> Which is low
18:38:58 <monerobull[m]> but most of them are offline?
18:39:01 <Siren[m]> No clue
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18:39:49 <monerobull[m]> lol
18:39:55 <Siren[m]> Also connections are capped at 10 Mbps afaik
18:40:09 <Siren[m]> Slow
18:41:45 <Rucknium[m]> I read the Nym white paper (except for the economic incentive part). Their arguments seemed reasonable, but I'm not a network privacy expert by any means.
18:42:07 <Rucknium[m]> Nym is also trying to be a competitor to Tor and i2p
18:42:16 <monerobull[m]> can we accept them as monerokon sponsor without feeling bad
18:42:32 <monerobull[m]> * feeling bad / looking stupid
18:42:46 <Rucknium[m]> Who?
18:43:24 <monerobull[m]> nym
18:43:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why reject them?
18:44:54 <monerobull[m]> idk, just asking if the project is legit
18:44:55 <monerobull[m]> we denied bitmain :P
18:45:07 <Rucknium[m]> Nym says "Mixnets provide better privacy than onion routing (seems to have academic research support for that idea). When people were setting up Tor, mixnets were not feasible given the internet infrastructure. Now they are. Nym is a mixnet with an incentive structure."
18:45:51 <monerobull[m]> ive heard mixnets are really slow but they seem to really be better
18:45:52 <monerobull[m]> crypt0_bear: knows more about that
18:45:53 <Rucknium[m]> Nym seems reasonable, but I have not tried to read specific criticisms. Seth had someone on his podcast talk about Nym.
18:46:22 <monerobull[m]> how bout beldex
18:46:54 <monerobull[m]> theyve donated to eth atomic swaps and do privacy apps too
18:47:15 <Rucknium[m]> A couple of researchers associated with Nym wrote a paper criticizing BTC Lightning and Dandelion++. I had a discussion with one of the researchers in #monero-research-lab:monero.social  about a month ago.
18:47:50 <Rucknium[m]> I didn't think the criticism of D++ applied to a realistic implementation of it, e.g. in Monero.
18:49:27 <Rucknium[m]> https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20230109
18:58:07 <Rucknium[m]> They have a lot of venture capitalist investors: https://cointelegraph.com/news/nym-technologies-raises-300m-to-advance-internet-privacy-sending-token-price-up
18:58:42 <Rucknium[m]> "The Nym Innovation Fund investors include Andreessen Horowitz, Polychain, Greenfield One, Huobi Incubator, Tioga Capital, Eden Block, NGC Ventures, HashKey Capital, Figment, Fenbushi Capital, Tayssir Capital, KR1, Lemniscap, and new backers OKX Blockdream Ventures."
18:58:46 <Rucknium[m]> FYI
19:00:21 <BusyBoredom[m]> I don't totally buy the need for them to have a token. Tor and I2P have been doing fine for decades without one
19:01:01 <Rucknium[m]> Both Tor and I2P have been DDoS attacked recently.
19:01:34 <as2333> tor has got tens of millions of dollars from the pentagon
19:01:45 <as2333> so they don't need a 'token'
19:01:46 <Rucknium[m]> I guess the token is to have an incentive to provide service quality.
19:02:06 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Token or staking?
20:22:41 <Rucknium[m]> MoneroResearch.info is back online thanks to plowsof 
20:28:22 <plowsof11> turning things off and on again ain't much, but it's honest work 🫡
20:29:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Magicians never tell their secrets
20:30:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Reality: plowsof is in the hospital after that ordeal
20:31:15 <plowsof11> 5 of our best guys are in the ICU after getting loveras proposal to show up on the funding required page
20:32:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> when slapping it goes wrong
20:32:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> when ai slaps back
20:32:37 <plowsof11> monerod --add-exclusive-node supportxmr.com:18080 --log-level 2 , no smiley faces sir , initiate issue and pullrequest !
20:33:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> sech1: 
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20:55:14 <Siren[m]> monerobull: what happens when they try to get rid of it
20:55:50 <monerobull[m]> I never knew it was that hard 😂
20:56:17 <Siren[m]> Don't worry we will put 4 more next to it later
20:57:13 <Siren[m]> Can we order 3x history 3x OG in the same box?
22:11:08 <monerobull[m]> Sure, I'll dm you
22:13:32 <monerobull[m]> I found this, decent read about robots & dystopia, 8 or 9 chapters https://marshallbrain.com/manna1