02:10:15 <n1oc> selsta part-time monero development (3 months) is now fully funded! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/selsta-8.html
02:10:28 <selsta> w0w
02:10:42 <selsta> that was quick
02:12:01 <plowsof11> congratulations! (nioc sleeping again hm)
02:17:36 <nioc> Wut, only 102 out of 102 raised 
03:38:19 <DiegoSalazar[m]> New Stack Wallet version out. Primary features XMR people will be interested in is the new OLED Black theme is now Monero themed with the orange, but on a less superfluous note, you can now and label old addresses in the Receive screen. Just click the menu dots on the top right.
03:42:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Much needed 
03:42:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> The theme and the ability to reuse an address 
03:42:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tyty
03:44:35 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Also have fruit sorbet theme and green forest :D
03:44:43 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Focusing on the important things, I know.
03:45:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Need to see if I can fix my syncing issues :( 
03:46:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Never could get that wallet to work consistently. 
03:46:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Backed up and restored and new wallet does the same.
03:46:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Havent tried a seed restore, still trying to figure out why just one wallet doesnt want to work 
03:49:25 <nioc> you can now and label old addresses in the Receive screen  
03:49:29 <nioc> is the and superfluous? 
03:50:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Me meant
03:50:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> hand* label
03:50:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🙊
03:52:22 <nioc> DiegoSalazar[m]: does it default to lowest fee yet?
03:54:46 <DiegoSalazar[m]> nioc: Lel. No not yet.
03:54:55 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Soon. Give us a breather. 
03:55:42 <nioc> please do while imma still breathing
03:55:44 <nioc> thx
03:56:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yea the fee is higher than normal 
03:56:18 <nioc> I just set it manually 
04:05:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Last time I checked ut gave me higher then standard fees
04:06:13 <nioc> it defaults to "average" or something like that instead of "slow"
04:08:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bumping down Ibwas getting 0.0004 where in other apps I was getting 3
04:09:07 <nioc> it first gives an estimated fee which isn't always correct but when it sends it uses the correct fee
04:09:37 <nioc> needs CLI logic for fees
04:10:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> The estimate is uselessly incorrect, in cake too
04:10:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Syncing up a wallet to check now
04:19:51 <nioc> unlike you I need to sleep  :D
04:20:01 <nioc> l8r
04:20:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cya
06:50:03 <RavFX[m]> When I think about it..
06:50:03 <RavFX[m]> Localbitcoins announced they will stop operating... one day after that Binance stopping USD withdraw.
06:50:03 <RavFX[m]> Could it be related?
06:50:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
06:50:23 <RavFX[m]> Thought so.
06:50:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Binance hits swap sites hard when wallets are closed 
06:51:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> I always try to tell people to set 5k sell price in Monero when they FM around
06:51:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> They can buy if they want to spend the real value 
06:51:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dont come to us for real Monero, just because you ran out
06:53:40 <RavFX[m]> But LBC is p2p swap. Plus a big part of the people on this platform are market making.
06:53:40 <RavFX[m]> So I would not say it closed because of Binance wallet shenanigans.
06:54:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oh no, nit that it closed because of Binance, but that binance probably had to make adjustments because they closed 
06:55:12 <RavFX[m]> Binance is technically not involved, I mean, the people binance might have annoyed are the trader who needed USD on the international platform.
06:55:12 <RavFX[m]> Yeah, that is possible
11:25:19 <xfedex[m]> <cockliuser[m]> "Don't most CPUs have 2 threads..." <- Some CPUs have 2 threads per core, but, at least on my CPU, on Linux mining with 1 thread per core gives roughly the same hashrate of mining with 2 threads per core
11:43:13 <plowsof11> There's a meeting today here at 16:00UTC https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/791 also a MoneroKon one at 18:00UTC in#monero-events:monero.social 
13:07:16 <monerobull[m]> 4 hours
13:07:31 <monerobull[m]> 3 hours 
13:32:15 <ajs_[m]> monerokon store is ready. if anyone wants to buy a ticket and help us test the system before going live, send me a DM
15:10:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Near 50% increase in net hash 
15:10:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> From 2.6gb or so to 3.5
15:10:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero
15:10:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hashvault at 1.5g
15:19:53 <selsta> if it's a cloud botnet they usually get taken down within a day or two
15:21:02 <nioc> Seems to happen on weekends 
16:00:05 <plowsof11> Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/791
16:00:23 <plowsof11> 2. Greetings 
16:00:24 <plowsof11> hello
16:00:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Greetings
16:00:59 <geonic> hola
16:01:32 <Lovera[m]> Hola
16:01:40 <geonic> :)
16:01:44 <BusyBoredom[m]> Hey
16:02:16 <plowsof11> would anyone like to spam some community highlights / interesting things while everyone rolls in 
16:02:28 <Rucknium[m]> Hi
16:02:53 <blankpage[m]> Hello
16:02:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Most people get to stay in the bus now
16:03:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hey cancelling us now! I say
16:03:08 <plowsof11> ive got a bunch linked in the meeting issue (tx extra discussions.. [Feather Wallet v2.30](https://featherwallet.org/changelog/) [p2pool v3.0](https://github.com/SChernykh/p2pool/releases/tag/v3.0) / [GUPAX](https://gupax.io/) ... rpc pay in the process of being removed 
16:03:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Try*
16:03:24 <plowsof11> ofrnxmr you contacted nanopool or something 👀
16:03:34 <jwinterm> o/
16:03:40 <Rucknium[m]> People are discussing restricting tx_extra again: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/6668
16:03:40 <Rucknium[m]> It is at 141 comments now
16:04:21 <Rucknium[m]> tx_extra will be discussed at the next Monero Research Lab meeting
16:04:26 <plowsof11> the btc ordinal thing sparked it up again , interesting to follow with possible huge changes in the future 
16:04:57 <Lovera[m]> > <@rucknium:monero.social> People are discussing restricting tx_extra again: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/6668
16:04:57 <Lovera[m]> > It is at 141 comments now
16:04:57 <Lovera[m]> We need to remove it 
16:05:04 <plowsof11> a nice draft of a crowd funding site from anarkiocrypto https://kuno.bitejo.com/  👍️
16:05:06 <hinto[m]> hello
16:05:18 <plowsof11> selstas ccs porposal funded, and loveras almost! 🥳
16:06:52 <plowsof11> monerokon tickets? contact ajs "monerokon store is ready. if anyone wants to buy a ticket and help us test the system before going live, send me a DM" thanks to digilol+siren+stnby for playing a huge role in that 
16:07:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just post the darn link
16:07:40 <Siren[m]> please test the store first 😅
16:07:53 <Siren[m]> someone anyone
16:08:09 <Stnby[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Will you buy it?
16:08:16 <plowsof11> also ive been testing a PR from rbrunner/jberman to speed up wallet refresh times (handy if some meany starts spamming our mempool .. decreases fetching mempool from a node by a huge % https://github.com/rbrunner7/monero/pull/4 
16:08:33 <monerobull[m]> Hi
16:09:07 <plowsof11> is it time to roll out the red carpet yet and jump into the ccs ideas
16:09:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Plowsof, that research may be totally skewed with the faster block templates 
16:09:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not the txpool is consistently cleared out each block, instead of every 2+ blocks 
16:09:39 <blankpage[m]> I'll buy a ticket if the link can be DMed to me, for testing
16:09:47 <plowsof11> i think it is unrelated, just 'give me your mempool sir' 
16:09:53 <blankpage[m]> Forgot to put myself on the waiting list
16:10:06 <plowsof11> but yes could be 
16:10:27 <plowsof11> ok 
16:10:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> We were waiting for Monerobull. Good to go
16:10:38 <plowsof11>   a. [Help an independent film featuring Monero get to the Oscars™!](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/371)
16:10:44 <geonic> yay
16:10:56 <geonic> so help or no help? :p
16:11:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> People have comments or want to vote?
16:11:24 <plowsof11> just to clarify its "not breaking the rules" as per cores statement https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/371#note_20653
16:12:19 <jwinterm> I wanna buy tix
16:12:22 <plowsof11> i suppose the main uestion is , those who havnt voted on the gitlab issue, do you want to vote open/close? those who have downvoted, is there anything that would make you change your decision? 
16:12:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stnby: 
16:12:47 <monerobull[m]> plowsof11: Community Edition with permissive license
16:12:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Those of is in here voting, are known on GitLab 
16:12:52 <plowsof11> nice jwinterm send pm to ajs_ 
16:13:12 <jwinterm> will do via matrix rn
16:13:48 <plowsof11> all of geonics movies are open after the fact iirc, its just the oscars run-up requires it to be totes private 
16:13:59 <geonic> true
16:14:01 <monerobull[m]> Many who vote yes on Gitlab have never participated in any other ccs stuff
16:14:01 <midipoet> has the option of showing the movie at a private MoneroKon screening been discussed?
16:14:38 <geonic> it's been offered. I don't think it's been discussed by the organizers
16:14:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> The current milestones are written as
16:14:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1. "Take me to the dance"
16:14:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2. "If I walk in the door, pay me foe second half"
16:14:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Both milestones are in advance, with no room for failure. (though not much can be done about that considering the money is to be dished out to other partied)
16:15:01 <plowsof11> there will be an events meeting in 2 hours btw 
16:15:08 <midipoet> MoneroKons and DefCons in the past have screened movies (and also paid for the priviledge). 
16:15:11 <ajs_[m]> there is a small cinema close by the monerokon venue
16:15:20 <ajs_[m]> kinda cool
16:15:22 <plowsof11> can we not just watch it on geonics phone
16:15:27 <geonic> lol
16:15:50 <geonic> just worry that ppl might be disappointed if they're expecting to see a "Monero movie"
16:16:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> My vote remains a no. Maybe split ccs up into 
16:16:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Take me to the dance"
16:16:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> And 
16:16:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Take me to the Oscars"
16:16:12 <monerobull[m]> As head of program for monerokon, we will watch it on geonics phone
16:16:32 <geonic> but if it's marketed correctly why not. I have a nice phone.
16:16:44 <BusyBoredom[m]> I don't really buy the advertising value, so I wont be contributing to it but I don't feel strongly enough to vote to close it. 
16:16:58 <midipoet> from my understanding people enjoyed the movie experience at the conferences/events, regardless of content (though with expectation of quality)
16:17:18 <blankpage[m]> Isn't the whole point that nomination is guaranteed for a certain amount of bribes? So really it is 
16:17:18 <blankpage[m]> 1) pay bribe
16:17:18 <blankpage[m]> 2) marketing for hopefully winning
16:17:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2 isnt marketing 
16:17:31 <hinto[m]> BusyBoredom: agreed
16:17:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2 is pay me for paying bribe 
16:17:34 <jwinterm> lol plowsof11
16:17:53 <geonic> blankpage[m]: yeah, it's a pay-to-play system
16:17:55 <monerobull[m]> Regarding marketing: name the last Oscar winning short film you've heard about 
16:18:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nwver
16:18:09 <Siren[m]> I vote close
16:18:31 <geonic> tbh there's not a lot of overlap between the people in this room and the general public
16:18:33 <plowsof11> a trailer (highlighting the monero parts) has been discussed. as it stands, many peoples will be sad if it goes to funding, and if it does not go to funding. thats why i ask for how to change the nos into a yes , if possible, so the proposor can try to please 
16:19:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> I vote close and come back with a ccs that isnt misleading, and that offers value 
16:19:10 <geonic> but most people can't name a movie that came out last year either, so there's that. maybe top gun or avatar...
16:19:13 <blankpage[m]> My opinion is the same as BusyBoredom in this case
16:19:19 <plowsof11> a trailer + monerokon / topia screening has been mentioned 
16:19:28 <monerobull[m]> GF can't contribute and community needs to be able to freely watch it after the Oscars 
16:19:28 <midipoet> why will people be sad if it goes to funding?
16:19:39 <midipoet> What's the outstanding issue?
16:19:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> monerobull[m]: We paid for 25k worth of viewings 
16:19:58 <geonic> monerobull[m]: agree on both counts
16:20:16 <Lovera[m]> monerobull[m]: +1 agree here 
16:20:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> midipoet: Because it sets terrible precedent 
16:20:33 <geonic> ofrnxmr[m]: how is the CCS misleading?
16:20:39 <midipoet> ofrnxmr[m]: ok. so explain what precedent it sets?
16:20:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> 12k upfront for ventures that barely resemble anything remotely monero 
16:21:04 <Siren[m]> midipoet: non-free media, offers no marketing value, realistically won't win an oscars but maybe smaller festival awards
16:21:11 <plowsof11> so the GF can't contribute , ok, and it will be freely available like geonics other movies ? 
16:21:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> A ccs like this only works up front.. but for that, id expect more value coming from it
16:21:27 <monerobull[m]> Not on Vimeo 
16:21:40 <Siren[m]> also this proposal have been pushed to people a lot
16:21:46 <Siren[m]> I don't like pushy-ness
16:21:47 <monerobull[m]> Only available on Vimeo is like it's not free 😆
16:21:56 <geonic> monerobull[m]: torrents ok?
16:22:00 <midipoet> ofrnxmr[m]: the boat we stuck a logo on, did represent Monero?
16:22:07 <Stnby[m]> Siren[m]: Conracted a bunch if people in private lmao
16:22:20 <blankpage[m]> Torrents ❤️
16:22:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> midipoet: It had a logo on it
16:22:30 <michaelizer[m]> Didn't he say it will be publicly available after the festivals?
16:22:39 <plowsof11> so if geonic adds to the ccs in big letters ' this will be freely available after oscar run (not on vimeo but on odysee) - GF dont donate, im releasing a trailer ' lovera and monterobull will vote yes?
16:22:43 <Stnby[m]> Please share pics of XMR sailboat
16:22:45 <midipoet> Siren[m]: it's free post-festival, marketing value is still debateable. 
16:22:53 <Stnby[m]> I am interested
16:22:56 <plowsof11> oh and screening at monerokon / topia or just one ?
16:22:59 <midipoet> ofrnxmr[m]: the movie also has a logo in it
16:23:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> In the credits? Lol
16:23:18 <Siren[m]> midipoet: I don't care I can't watch it. The plot itself sounds very problematic.
16:23:37 <midipoet> Siren[m]: the plot? It's a movie. Entertainment 
16:23:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> The logo on a boat / blimp is the main feature. Cmon now
16:23:46 <geonic> can't win them all. does the CCS have to literally please everyone in the community to move forward?
16:23:49 <jwinterm> I don't see the issue for it going to funding at this point - if you think it's dumb then just don't contribute, right?
16:23:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> midipoet: ITS ABOUT A KID DYING
16:23:52 <Siren[m]> midipoet: based on a dead child
16:24:06 <geonic> jwinterm: that was my understanding of crowdfunding too
16:24:10 <plowsof11> geonic no it doesnt have to please everyone, but if you pretend like yo ucare its advantagous 
16:24:19 <midipoet> ofrnxmr[m]: located where most sponsorships and affiliations go. Where else would you want it? In the subtitles?
16:24:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> jwinterm @jwinterm:libera.chat:  then we might as well stop voting in anything 
16:24:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> And just let every ccs through 
16:24:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> midipoet: In the movie 
16:24:55 <jwinterm> ofrnxmr[m]: there is precedent for funding a monero logo on a sail boat sail in one race, no?
16:24:59 <jwinterm> what's the diff?
16:25:03 <midipoet> ofrnxmr[m]: so now we don't want to allow it to go to funding, cause a person dies in the movie, or because it's based on a sad story?
16:25:04 <Siren[m]> midipoet: I want "Monero" mentioned in the dialogue and that the fact that Monero is digital should be implied. It is misleading otherwise.
16:25:16 <Stnby[m]> Why cant CCS just be funded via a private subaddress entirely via people that want to?
16:25:18 <plowsof11> wil it be freely available after the oscars (and not on vimeo) yes/no geonic 
16:25:32 <monerobull[m]> You can't really change the movie at this point
16:25:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> jwinterm: That ccs was a shitstorm for years and if its going to continue to be than were all wasting our time
16:25:45 <geonic> like other movies are freely available, yes
16:25:45 <Siren[m]> you expect people to watch through the end credits
16:25:52 <plowsof11> thanks
16:26:00 <jwinterm> maybe the people who contributed to it feel differently?
16:26:24 <plowsof11> and you are going to discuss with monero events team ... with there being a cinema "near" the event OR on your phone 
16:26:27 <geonic> I have no intention of hiding the movie in my closet :p
16:26:28 <Lovera[m]> jwinterm: We need to remember that there are “Monero whales” that they maybe donate even not reading the proposal because they” trust “ in Monero community criteria to go funding… 
16:26:34 <plowsof11> near the monerokon* 
16:26:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> jwinterm: I mean
16:26:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> that the ccs system* is a shitstorm 
16:26:50 <jwinterm> Lovera[m]: sounds like a them/whales problem :P
16:26:55 <midipoet> Lovera[m]: than we should  embrace the whales, not act as their gatekeepers
16:27:01 <geonic> that would be so cool if we had a proper theater screening
16:27:01 <michaelizer[m]> Lovera[m]: I've always felt that this is actually the case
16:27:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> But they also pay scammers 
16:27:23 <geonic> where Siren[m] and monerobull[m] can throw eggs at me
16:27:26 <monerobull[m]> midipoet: If they run out of good will at some point we will be struggling to fund even the most important dev wirk
16:27:27 <Lovera[m]> jwinterm: Yep! 😅 just comment. Their Monero is not infinite ♾️ 
16:27:28 <geonic> :)
16:27:44 <monerobull[m]> * If they run out of good will at some point we will be struggling to fund even the most important dev work
16:27:48 <midipoet> monerobull[m]: if they donate blindly, we cannot be blamed
16:27:54 <geonic> Lovera[m]: u sure? #inflationbug
16:27:55 <blankpage[m]> Surely these careless whales would at least have a preference between Devs/marketing so I don't think it "sucks up" donations that would otherwise fund devs
16:27:59 <plowsof11> ok, there is an events meeting soon to get some thinking about some more things you can add to the ccs to appease some people and increase sentiment 
16:28:10 <Lovera[m]> geonic: Ouch 
16:28:10 <monerobull[m]> midipoet: If we waste funds yes we can
16:28:10 <plowsof11> and such there fore visa vi yeah?
16:28:24 <geonic> omg ppl worried about other people's bags is too much
16:28:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ok so.
16:28:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> The way I see it
16:28:34 <michaelizer[m]> midipoet: morally, maybe
16:28:35 <geonic> if you're poor it's on you. don't donate.
16:29:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> There is no clear consensus
16:29:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Same yesses and nos as before
16:29:16 <Siren[m]> geonic: looks like you have very rich friends, why come to the general fund?
16:29:23 <geonic> general fund ?!?!?
16:29:30 <Siren[m]> aka CCS
16:29:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> CCS*
16:29:39 <plowsof11> monerobull and lovera liked it if the movie would be free after and possible screened at a monerokon so theres that 
16:29:41 <jwinterm> ccs and general fund are entirely separate things, no?
16:29:43 <midipoet> monerobull[m]: there have been plenty of much larger wastes of funds in the past and probably will be in the future 
16:29:47 <Siren[m]> sure call it CCS
16:29:51 <plowsof11> correct jwinterm, different departments 
16:29:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org:  confirm 
16:30:04 <plowsof11> ccs(tm) and general fund(llc)
16:30:08 <monerobull[m]> I'm at best neutral leaning no
16:30:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Are you voting yes if or no
16:30:09 <Lovera[m]> I vote yes if there adds that will be freely available after oscar + Monerokon 😎
16:30:21 <midipoet> Yeah people shoud not equate GF and CCS
16:30:22 <plowsof11> there ya go boom consensus achieved now lets move on 
16:30:31 <plowsof11> that was easy 
16:30:35 <Siren[m]> midipoet: Either way the question holds
16:30:38 <jwinterm> unless almighty lord and ruler luigi1111 decides to move some GF into CCS after unilaterally deciding to move this to funding
16:30:48 <jwinterm> because tbh in my mind that's how this whole process works anyway lol
16:30:52 <Siren[m]> you're too pushy and call people poor gatekeepers for stating opinions
16:31:02 <geonic> Siren[m]: CCS has nothing to do with the general fund, except that the GF sometimes (rarely) contributes to CCS proposals. maybe that explains your downvote?
16:31:03 <jwinterm> there is only one gatekeeper
16:31:08 <midipoet> Siren[m]: the question holds, but the GF=CCS is not sound logic
16:31:15 <jwinterm> his name starts with luigi111 and ends with 1
16:31:23 <geonic> lol
16:31:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> jwinterm: I thought it ends with w
16:31:34 <Siren[m]> midipoet: yes that has been a typo, now outta the way
16:31:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Right 
16:31:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> So as I see it
16:31:45 <jwinterm> oh there's two of them :0
16:31:54 <Siren[m]> geonic: no that doesn't explain my downvote. my downvote is because of the proposal itself.
16:32:07 <plowsof11> not a consensus achieved but there are things which geonic can add to make some people happier 
16:32:11 <geonic> sorry for being pushy. I'll just sit back, relax and let you gatekeep every proposal you dislike
16:32:17 <blankpage[m]> Yes CCS is basically a dictatorship and these meetings are partially an opportunity for the masses to express their grievances to the dictators. 
16:32:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> 7/8 vote. Stalled or luigi and fire are tiebreakers
16:32:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> And core
16:32:30 <monerobull[m]> geonic: That's literally how this is supposed to go
16:32:54 <Siren[m]> REEEEE negative opinion on my proposal REEEE ur poor and u gatekeep every proposal 
16:33:22 <xmrscott[m]> Not just the meetings, folk can leave comments on the proposals :)
16:33:35 <geonic> hi xmrscott[m], long time.
16:34:00 <plowsof11> so add some more nice promises to the proposal as discussed above and ask core about it , can we move on now
16:34:03 <Stnby[m]> This is a bit of a chaotic meeting
16:34:24 <geonic> plowsof11: will do, thank you!
16:34:34 <midipoet> Also comments on the reddit post are also valid. Usually, it's weighted voting with precedence given to known/trusted psuedonyms. 
16:34:35 <plowsof11> thanks ok lets breeze through 
16:34:36 <plowsof11>   d. [Computational work for OSPEAD parameterization](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/375)    
16:34:38 <michaelizer[m]> Stnby[m]: right? xd
16:34:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Whoa whia
16:34:53 <BusyBoredom[m]> Yeah see if the deal can be sweetened and come back to it another time, I think this has run its course
16:34:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dont just slide off and leave a ness for 2 weeks
16:34:59 <blankpage[m]> Please move on
16:35:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think it needs to ve confirmed that we could bit come to consensus and that someone needs to ve tiebreaker 
16:35:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Whether core or whoever 
16:35:16 <plowsof11> research proposal wants 100% upfront, ok, MRL have to discuss that, and would ideally need core to escrow some fiat if required (like they will do for the bp++ ccs)
16:35:21 <monerobull[m]> CAN PEOPLE STOP SUBMITTING PROPOSALS 14 HOURS BEFORE A MEETING ON A FRIDAY 
16:35:32 <Rucknium[m]> I don't think isthmus is here to answer questions about the proposal. But I'm here. I cannot fully speak for isthmus.
16:35:52 <monerobull[m]> What are we supposed to do here? Say "everyone read it till next time, next"
16:35:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Well if were considering paying get
16:35:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Pay them 
16:35:56 <michaelizer[m]> monerobull[m]: they could be overlooked until next week
16:35:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Geo*
16:35:59 <michaelizer[m]> as a rule
16:36:26 <blankpage[m]> I have not had time to read this proposal, and it seems that no one has had time to comment or vote on gitlab.
16:36:38 <monerobull[m]> Ok, everyone read the thing, comment on Gitlab and we'll talk about it next time
16:36:42 <monerobull[m]> Next item
16:36:47 <plowsof11> yeah to soon to dicsus isthmus' ccs just some general logsitics to discuss about 100% payment / or core to escrow the fiat 
16:36:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why even bring up "up front" if the other ccs that us perfectly acceptable and has nothing  to do with xmr is favorably on the table 
16:37:23 <Lovera[m]> I don’t read that proposal… I hadn’t even realized that I was in the CCS.🤣
16:37:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wow. Eglish much. I hope DSM doesnt see that
16:37:27 <plowsof11> lets move on to [Resolve WIP list](https://github.com/plowsof/ccs-wip-list/issues)
16:37:38 <plowsof11> https://github.com/plowsof/ccs-wip-list/issues/1
16:37:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Xmrsale and accept xmr?
16:38:07 <blankpage[m]> Ideally isthmus will be around for the next meeting when proposal has been groked
16:38:12 <plowsof11> would anyone like to vote on deciding if xmrSal ccs should be closed?
16:38:13 <monerobull[m]> Move forward 
16:38:15 <plowsof11> closed means, that if the proposer turned up tomorrow after close, theyre not getting any monero from the ccs, it will be closed 
16:38:31 <geonic> close and move the funds
16:38:44 <monerobull[m]> Agreed 
16:39:00 <blankpage[m]> I think the suggester arrangement makes sense at it is a similar project with potential for actual usefulness
16:39:02 <plowsof11> the suggestion for moving the funds is https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/374 
16:39:10 <plowsof11> to entirely fund acceptxmr with the 30 xmr 
16:39:22 <plowsof11> yes / no?
16:39:22 <BusyBoredom[m]> Happy to answer any questions about it
16:39:39 <Lovera[m]> Close and move the funds
16:39:42 <plowsof11> true blankpage i agree 
16:39:57 <Lovera[m]> Move  the funds to AcceptXMR
16:40:01 <Siren[m]> plowsof11: yes
16:40:31 <geonic> do eeet
16:40:38 <plowsof11> can we vote to close https://github.com/plowsof/ccs-wip-list/issues/2 also?
16:40:40 <blankpage[m]> I would like to see some input from people are likely users of AcceptXMR (on compatibility/usefulness) as I am unlikely to use it in the near future
16:40:53 <plowsof11> archive monero - we got scammed and there is 0.2 xmr left 
16:40:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is accept xmr still in proposal phase? 
16:40:57 <plowsof11> close proposal and return 0.2 to the general fund yes/no?
16:41:10 <monerobull[m]> Kek 
16:41:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> I agree to close and earmark the funds for accept xmr, still subject to approval of the proposal......
16:41:36 <hinto[m]> plowsof: to be clear - we're deciding to redirect xmrsale funds towards AcceptXMR?
16:41:56 <plowsof11> xmrsale is to be closed. the funds are to be decided 
16:42:01 <Rucknium[m]> From TFM: "An expiration date for the proposal. If it's not funded or finished by a certain time, the funds can be released to other proposals or the General Fund.. This keeps things moving along in a timely fashion."
16:42:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> If acceotxmr proposal is rejected, split funds for other ccs 
16:42:08 <plowsof11> acceptxmr is the suggestion / in the idea stage 
16:42:08 <blankpage[m]> Yes please recover funds from archive scam
16:42:09 <Rucknium[m]> xmrsale's proposal says "This proposal will expire 1 March, 2022."
16:42:32 <Rucknium[m]> The guideline on expiration dates does not say shall. It says can. So funds are not necessarily re-allocated. But they can be.
16:42:43 <Lovera[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: +1
16:42:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes, so earmark and use to fund if proposal is accepted. Use for ormther ccs's if not accepted
16:42:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Archive monero, donate it to loveras proposal 
16:42:59 <plowsof11> acceptxmr is similar / promises to offer the same / better than the original xmrsale + has 1 year of maintenance built in, for 30xmr
16:43:19 <plowsof11> from a known community member 
16:43:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its still not been looked at as a proposal or voted on
16:44:08 <plowsof11> so for definite : xmrsale will be closed 
16:44:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Am I saying there is any reason it wont be? No. But lets not makes mistakes, even if good people and no bad outcome
16:44:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Agreed
16:44:41 <plowsof11> archive will be closed 
16:44:50 <monerobull[m]> Sure i vote same as ofrn
16:44:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Agreed
16:45:09 <Rucknium[m]> A major difference with the acceptxmr proposal is that no one votes with their piconeros. Voting with piconeros has been a good check on a proposal's support in the community.
16:45:11 <monerobull[m]> Archive too
16:45:37 <Lovera[m]> I think as ofrnxmr says., if accepted to funds goes to AceptXMR if not, split it for others CCs
16:46:16 <plowsof11> iirc funds have never been dispursed to another proposal before so this would be monumental 
16:46:37 <BusyBoredom[m]> I'm fine waiting for more people to look through the proposal, seems fair
16:46:43 <plowsof11> busyboredom is available to answer any questions / make adjustments on the proposal 
16:47:36 <Rucknium[m]> Re-allocating to acceptxmr makes the most sense since it's closest in spirit to xmrsale. TFM also says something like "anyone can pick up milestones if they aren't completed."
16:48:08 <ceetee[m]> . +1 for move fund to Standalone AcceptXMR
16:48:08 <ceetee[m]> . +1 for closing https://github.com/plowsof/ccs-wip-list/issues/2
16:48:20 <geonic> +1 for closing Archive Monero
16:48:38 <plowsof11> a bit more time needed for feedback / input on acceptxmr then , but definitely closing Archive and xmrsale 
16:48:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im voting archive monero gets donated to lovera ccs 
16:48:54 <plowsof11> nice idea 
16:49:09 <plowsof11> shall we jump into some work in progress ccs updates?
16:49:16 <plowsof11> does anyone want to see a pretty video clip
16:49:33 <monerobull[m]> Oh god
16:49:34 <Rucknium[m]> "If the proposer disappears, no problem, someone else can pick up from their last milestone." <- exact language from TFM.
16:49:37 <jwinterm> I did a talk with some people at privacy and scaling explorations group yesterday on reddit - maybe monero community would consider some way to do anonymous signaling on whether or not to advance proposals to funding
16:49:51 <jwinterm> known community members get invited to group, anyway in group can anonymously signal on proposals
16:49:52 <Siren[m]> plowsof11: new renders? :)
16:50:01 <jwinterm> not trying to go off on tangent, just a thought
16:50:17 <monerobull[m]> Eh
16:50:19 <hinto[m]> ring signature votes?
16:50:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> I like signing my name to my yes and no's
16:50:24 <plowsof11> the reason for moving to another project entirely imo is because xmrsale is a fork, which has fel behind, and is bilt upon monero-wallet-rpc - for 30xmr someone has to resync with upstream, learn it, and we end up with javascript wallet rpc trash
16:50:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Keeps you honest 
16:50:33 <plowsof11> Animated videos proposal updates:
16:50:33 <jwinterm> https://appliedzkp.org/
16:50:34 <monerobull[m]> I like the reputational damage that comes with disliking a proposal 
16:50:38 <plowsof11> [updated clip](https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/10zi0wn/new_animated_videos_animation_example/)
16:50:42 <jwinterm> semaphor is the protocol, and there is one demo app now
16:50:43 <Siren[m]> jwinterm: you can have your proposal up on a webpage where people donate to your address using Monero
16:50:52 <jwinterm> ZK, not ring sigs hinto[m]
16:50:57 <jwinterm> snarks
16:50:57 <plowsof11> - [updated story board](https://docdro.id/wkLPG5W) 
16:51:12 <plowsof11> and - [script 1](https://gitlab.com/monero-videos/monero-adoption-animated-videos/-/blob/main/Video%201%20Script%3A%20Why%20Use%20Monero%20for%20Commerce%3F.md)
16:51:27 <jwinterm> Siren[m]: that is what happens after something goes to funding tho right?
16:51:40 <plowsof11> alot to give feedback on at the moment, but they have been working on it and this is their progress
16:51:49 <geonic> plowsof11: that's nice
16:51:53 <Siren[m]> jwinterm: yeah but not associated with CCS and the Monero community here
16:52:10 <jwinterm> well anyone can do that already and no one does that right?
16:52:15 <jwinterm> no one/very few ppl
16:52:20 <Siren[m]> jwinterm: no?
16:52:39 <Siren[m]> people do, all FOSS projects do that
16:52:43 <jwinterm> which CCS proposals that have been funded started out with that tactic?
16:52:53 <Siren[m]> it's how things are normally
16:53:01 <jwinterm> sure
16:53:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Moneroj.net
16:53:19 <jwinterm> I am just saying this process is messy and murky, and was making a suggestion about how to possibly codify and proceduralize a bit more
16:53:23 <jwinterm> just a suggestion
16:53:25 <Siren[m]> atm.monero.is, moneropay
16:53:28 <Stnby[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: They got refused and started their own funding
16:53:34 <plowsof11> Endor Solopt Update (profitability.py) - https://github.com/mj-xmr/SolOptXMR/issues/151#issuecomment-1426619628 (he has fixed the script to check for another node woohoo) 
16:53:47 <jwinterm> like people vote on ccs proposal, then other people claim people who are voting are sockpuppets, etc
16:53:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stnby[m]: ^^ yup and are doing Fkn awesone
16:53:52 <jwinterm> this would be route to avoid that
16:53:55 <geonic> more procedure = more easily gamed imo
16:53:59 <Stnby[m]> Stnby[m]: Best wallet for Monero ;)
16:54:01 <Siren[m]> jwinterm: one way to make it normal would be to only count the votes on gitlab + this matrix room
16:54:21 <jwinterm> but then people are yelling about sockpuppet gitlab users
16:54:35 <plowsof11> valldrac of molly.im has a demo akp available - a sandbox monero wallet which is able to open multiple monero wallets at once - i couldnt get it work work on my phone but have not tried the new one 
16:54:35 <plowsof11> ideally a public version of the demo will be available 
16:54:35 <Siren[m]> gitlab admins can verify sockpuppets
16:54:40 <jwinterm> this way only people invited to vote would be able to vote, and their vote would be anonymous 
16:54:48 <Siren[m]> they were obviously sockpuppets as well
16:54:55 <Siren[m]> we all could tell anyways
16:54:56 <geonic> jwinterm: who decides who gets invited?
16:55:03 <jwinterm> luigi1111: 
16:55:06 <jwinterm> obvs
16:55:09 <geonic> fair
16:55:15 <Siren[m]> fair?
16:55:22 <Siren[m]> that'd be actual gatekeeping
16:55:22 <Stnby[m]> XD
16:55:25 <geonic> yeah, this is a dictatorship after all
16:55:25 <Siren[m]> yall are on meth
16:55:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or only "community members" can vote
16:55:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ignoring macsrocks
16:55:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> And other alts 
16:55:32 <jwinterm> you guys called johnny mnemonic a sock puppet and the guy made like the third post on the *bit*monero bitcointalk post
16:55:48 <geonic> lol
16:55:52 <plowsof11> donor or donator sirs?
16:56:01 <geonic> but he never participates on CCS proposals! must be a sock
16:56:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Siren[m]: They need to drink some
16:56:09 <geonic> donor obvs :)
16:56:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Luigi doesnt?!?!?!
16:56:17 <plowsof11> +1 for donor 
16:56:22 <plowsof11> 0 for donator 
16:56:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> He merged mj's bullshit 
16:56:27 <jwinterm> lol
16:56:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> He does what we want, as long as we agree with him. Otherwise, he does what he wants
16:56:49 <geonic> hehe
16:57:07 <plowsof11> dont forget the monero events meeting in 1 hour btw
16:57:22 <Rucknium[m]> Do we know if it was the same Johnny Mnemonic? Where is the PGP signature?
16:57:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Any more WIP?
16:57:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Can we agree to donate the 0.2xmr to lovers before lovers us fully funded?
16:57:43 <Stnby[m]> I think CCS is fucked, wish there was a section at least to list independent projects
16:57:47 <jwinterm> sorry, didn't mean to cause digression, I just thought it was neat and would share, if you want to listen to talk recording is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/10yyaot/reddit_talk_with_privacy_and_scaling_explorations/
16:57:59 <Siren[m]> I don't remember who the fuck but some people posted nearly identical comments, I don't care who it is
16:58:03 <geonic> Stnby[m]: that's an interesting idea
16:58:16 <monerobull[m]> Stnby[m]: Ey it's better than what unis wap has for governance 
16:58:16 <blankpage[m]> Codifying votes seems pointless when the votes are only a suggestion to the dictator anyway. It is more an opportunity to flag up issues, through chats and comments
16:58:16 <monerobull[m]> * Ey it's better than what uniswap has for governance 
16:58:22 <Siren[m]> geonic: monerodevs.org
16:58:23 <jwinterm> oh yea Siren[m] tbh I think that was vik, I do remember someone pointing that out lol
16:58:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> 0.2 from archiver to lovera
16:58:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yay or nay
16:58:35 <Stnby[m]> Stnby[m]: As CCS scams for example get higher budget than legit projects that do their own funding
16:58:36 <geonic> yay!
16:58:37 <plowsof11> so in this meeting: close archive/xmrsale - wait for feedback on acceptxmr. geonics oscar proposal at the least can benefit from adding some reassurances in the proposal that it'll be free, and to discuss formally the possibility of a screening at monerokon in prague 
16:58:43 <BusyBoredom[m]> 0.2 to lovera seems fine
16:59:01 <Siren[m]> jwinterm: nobody called him afaik a gatekeeper. I was just pointing out to the list of unusual people who liked that proposal.
16:59:02 <plowsof11> 0.2 to lovera also fine 
16:59:05 <geonic> free(ly available)
16:59:11 <Siren[m]> don't make shit up now
16:59:18 <jwinterm> someone pointed out that it seemed fairly obvious it was him 
16:59:19 <plowsof11> free(tm)ly available 
16:59:53 <Siren[m]> did plowsof receive his funds?
17:00:00 <plowsof11> 1 minute to continue fighting , AOB?
17:00:23 <Siren[m]> have they paid plowsof yet?
17:00:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Siren[m]: No
17:00:23 <Siren[m]> why?
17:00:25 <plowsof11> yes siren, i was paid for 2 milestones up to now, thank you all for shouting at me to claim them
17:00:45 <Siren[m]> great finally
17:00:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Were busy tryin to pay Geo 12k up front 
17:00:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Siren[m]: Thus is month 4
17:01:03 <BusyBoredom[m]> We like you plowsof, gotta make sure you're getting treated well 😤
17:01:03 <Siren[m]> ah fuck
17:01:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> He started before the ccs, and is going beyond the deadline 
17:01:39 <plowsof11> if i  claim the final milestone then i lose all my power 
17:01:40 <blankpage[m]> monerodevs.org should perhaps be linked from the main website & reddit
17:01:49 <luigi1111> Excuse me I don't run the gf
17:01:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> If paid in full, he could ve volunteering. Thats fine. But he hasnt been
17:01:53 <plowsof11> monerodevs was redesigned by Siren BTW 
17:01:53 <luigi1111> Also I'm on a boat
17:02:14 <nioc> be careful
17:02:19 <plowsof11> front end and backend totally new 
17:02:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hahahahahahahahahaha luigi
17:02:53 <nioc> give isthmus whatever he wants
17:02:56 <plowsof11> as you should be luigi1111 , i hope you are enjoying calm waters 
17:03:08 <Stnby[m]> On a private yacht with sgp :)
17:03:20 <nioc> aka Mitchell 
17:03:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Uh.. boating accident
17:03:38 <Siren[m]> lost the keys to the GF
17:03:38 <Lovera[m]> luigi1111: 🤣 lol 
17:03:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Pretty sure he meant stfu or I might crash 😂😂
17:03:39 <Siren[m]> in a boating accident
17:04:00 <jwinterm> I'm at a waterpark...watersliding accident?
17:04:05 <plowsof11> rucknium will be getting the C++ help they need from an expert team 
17:04:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Need to read over proposal about why up front is necessary  
17:04:55 <blankpage[m]> monerodevs does give prominence (and potentially more donations) to projects early in the alphabetical order it seems
17:05:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Otherwise, im probably voting yes 
17:05:06 <Siren[m]> blankpage[m]: it will be shuffled
17:05:15 <plowsof11> its the same as bulletproofs ++ proposal - but in that case - core are going to convert and custody the fiat 
17:05:20 <Siren[m]> also the images will be rendered webp or webm
17:05:26 <nioc> ofrnxmr[m]: up front to avoid volatility 
17:05:28 <plowsof11> i would like that to be the same for this research porposal if possible 
17:05:35 <plowsof11> proposal 
17:05:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ehhhh nah
17:05:47 <BusyBoredom[m]> Was gonna say, I picked a good name for my project looking at monerodevs ordering 😂
17:05:51 <Siren[m]> the issue is that the old backend had images as remote content (links), I need to write a script to get all and convert them and so on
17:05:54 <geonic> core are converting and custodying fiat now?
17:06:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lmfao right
17:06:21 <BusyBoredom[m]> It looks great though, bit improvement over old monerodevs
17:06:36 <plowsof11> for monoerokon , and other research proposal / audits yes
17:06:59 <geonic> is that info published anywhere
17:07:04 <geonic> under what legal entity?
17:07:08 <nioc> I am sure that an agreement can be made to satisfy people for upfront payment 
17:07:16 <plowsof11> digitalrenegades iirc 
17:07:35 <nioc> no issue with the work actually getting done
17:07:37 <plowsof11> if you make a reddit thread again geonic you are banned
17:07:44 <geonic> :)
17:07:58 <geonic> I think DR is being used as a favor to the MoneroKon organizers. not in an official core capacity
17:08:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> I am banned already and I never made a thread :(
17:08:06 <blankpage[m]> Core shouldn't have any official interaction with fiat IMO, just asking for trouble
17:08:22 <Siren[m]> geonic: DR is binaryfate, which is core
17:08:24 <plowsof11> geonic yes not official 
17:08:28 <geonic> I was also banned on reddit. fun times
17:08:32 <plowsof11> an affiliate? 
17:08:48 <geonic> Siren[m]: so when he goes to the grocery store, it is the Core Team buying groceries?
17:08:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anyway 
17:09:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Transparency report on Monday it seems
17:09:28 <geonic> surely he can operate as an individual too
17:09:34 <Siren[m]> geonic: possibly
17:09:50 <plowsof11> will follow up the molly im apk / monero thing for us all btw , i think that is the meeting wrapped up now?
17:09:52 <jwinterm> liability can be a motherfucker
17:10:30 <monerobull[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I can unban you if you want
17:10:38 <geonic> plowsof11: can u confirm that statement please? that the Core TeamTM is converting and custodying fiat on behalf of anyone?
17:10:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Events meeting in 50 minutes 
17:11:08 <plowsof11> thanks for all attending, and everyone with 100% attendance who is still in the running for a gold sticker at the end of February 
17:11:10 <Stnby[m]> Would be nice to have a 1st ticket sold by then
17:11:31 <plowsof11> geonic if you want an official statement contact DRR and ask them wtf theyre doing for monerokon 
17:11:38 <Siren[m]> anyways guys contact ajs_ and purchase a ticket or a t-shirt. if anything goes wrong, you will be refunded or given a ticket manually so don't worry.
17:11:54 <geonic> no, that's clearly their own business. I've never seen Digital Renegades being conflated with Core Team
17:11:54 <Siren[m]> (I think t-shirts are also available, but not sure)
17:12:22 <jwinterm> plowsof11: is sticker an nft?
17:12:22 <Siren[m]> s/guys/people/
17:12:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> The conflation is that the volitility risk was the proposers problem
17:12:41 <monerobull[m]> Physical bft
17:12:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> And up front ccs were taboo
17:12:47 <monerobull[m]> * Physical nft
17:12:47 <ceetee[m]> it's one of mb gold stickers
17:12:47 <Siren[m]> jwinterm: https://monerosupplies.com/product/reflective-anonymous-money/
17:13:02 <ceetee[m]> * of mb's gold
17:13:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> But as long as a core team member says up front us ok, and they will handle the volitility, then things change.
17:13:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Did _core_ handle that? No, but they had a COI with allowing it
17:13:38 <jwinterm> oh nice
17:13:38 <geonic> what conflict of interest?
17:13:53 <geonic> because he offered to help? where's the conflict
17:14:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its been stated that the volatility risk comes with ccs
17:14:46 <geonic> DR's services are free of charge and I trust the MoneroKon organizers to keep full accounting
17:14:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Unless youre friends, then you can get milestone 0's and fiat conversion 
17:14:54 <plowsof11> in the past, the general fund has donated a certain % to account for volatility to code audits , im trying to find the specific proposal
17:15:31 <plowsof11> https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/clsag-audit-take2.html 
17:15:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> (Im not against milestone 0's. Im against the "for me but not thee" attitude)
17:15:40 <plowsof11> so fiat is not mentioned here, so im wrong in saying that 
17:16:13 <plowsof11> core are not custodying fiat 
17:16:18 <geonic> ty
17:17:11 <plowsof11> they only custody gold coins with the letter M engraved 
17:17:20 <geonic> deep underground
17:17:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> And 16 year old smugglers 
17:17:32 <geonic> or in the trunks of trees, like hobbits
17:17:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> (In custody) 
17:18:26 <plowsof11> DR where handed monero - from the ccs which they then converted to fiat , but not core 
17:18:32 <geonic> yep
17:19:30 <nioc> Nioc Insurance Of CCS
17:19:48 <geonic> our FDIC
17:20:05 <plowsof11> i think my legal team are ok with this clarification 
17:20:19 <geonic> SBF this u?
17:20:46 <plowsof11> first and foremost - im an idiot 
17:21:11 <plowsof11> (this is how you should begin all legal documents(
17:21:11 <ajs_[m]> Details about DR's role with MoneroKon is in the CCS
17:21:42 <ajs_[m]> If more info is needed, let me know
17:23:14 <geonic> were the CCS funds sent directly to DR?
17:24:00 <geonic> or did you receive them first and forward to DR?
17:25:22 <plowsof11> plead the fifth, its a trap 
17:26:25 <ajs_[m]> This info is in the CCS
17:26:48 <ajs_[m]> Also check the comments
17:28:42 <plowsof11> geonic https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/362#note_20174
17:29:25 <plowsof11> appears to be ccs -> dr 
17:29:31 <geonic> yea
17:29:35 <geonic> was just curious
17:30:14 <geonic> I don't know how I feel about the GF donating to a CCS and the proceeds of that CCS going to an LLC controlled by the person who controls the GF
17:30:25 <geonic> maybe that's the COI ofrnxmr[m] mentioned
17:32:08 <geonic> it's more efficient for sure but can lead to trouble down the road
17:32:59 <geonic> the downsides of operating in meatspace
17:34:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> geonic:  yeah. Thats what im talking about 
17:36:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also that same person is a sponsor of monerokon
17:36:15 <geonic> oof
17:36:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> One who was reached out to and prioritized 
17:36:34 <geonic> have any other companies stepped up with offers to help with volatility?
17:37:10 <geonic> sgp[m] can MAGIC help with this?
17:38:25 <ajs_[m]> MAGIC is U.S. based non profit with its own set of issues
17:38:30 <jwinterm> I would defer to sgp but I don't think MAGIC would custody funds for something where the funds were raised via CCS
17:38:42 <jwinterm> if fundraiser is done via MAGIC...
17:38:55 <nioc> seems like a fit for magic
17:39:11 <geonic> and MAGIC can do xmr fundraisers too, yea?
17:39:15 <nioc> y
17:39:30 <jwinterm> as long as it fits within the mission of the non-profit
17:40:04 <geonic> seems like a win
17:40:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah
17:40:15 <geonic> maybe next year?
17:49:36 <sgp[m]> <geonic> "sgp can MAGIC help with this?" <- Yeah, but the current setup for the expense process would require more direct MAGIC involvement. The process I was told is that MAGIC would collect funds then send all to a single for profit entity with little other involvement, which isn't close enough for us to justify the charitable mission imho
17:50:07 <sgp[m]> MAGIC would have to be more involved with paying vendors, people directly so we could justify the charitable activities
17:51:29 <geonic> I think that's the case with DR currently. they pay all invoices
17:53:25 <geonic> it's good to know there are options available!
17:54:09 <Siren[m]> plowsof: would you like to moderate the monero-events meeting? ajs is busy driving atm
17:54:40 <plowsof11> i mean im here but i literally have no idea whats going on 
17:55:23 <plowsof11> we're all in this together, ok
17:55:41 <monerobull[m]> I can do it too
17:55:42 <Siren[m]> plowsof11: ajs posted the agenda
17:55:46 <Siren[m]> or monerobull
17:55:48 <Siren[m]> sure
19:07:34 <plowsof11> Has anyone used beldex or heard of them before
19:14:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not me
19:15:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> I can confirm they are listed on kucoin now, and have been around for a few years 
19:19:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also, beldex is a monero fork that has private messaging?
19:19:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://coinmarketcap.com/community/post/322260806
19:21:36 <plowsof11> Candidate for 'built on monero' along side town forge on getmonero? 
19:22:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Perhaps something Molly can use / sidechsin / mergemining to secure signal?
19:28:08 <nioc> I hear that web3 is the future 
19:28:29 <nioc> do we get a masternode?
19:28:48 <nioc> what is there reason for being?
19:33:47 <geonic> no devtax? fail
19:36:22 <Siren[m]> <nioc> "do we get a masternode?" <- You get moniys they get ads
19:37:01 <Siren[m]> As much as I don't like them personally when I think of it people don't even use stuff like RINO wallet
19:37:16 <Siren[m]> I don't think people will use whatever this is either 
19:41:09 <nioc> is RINO out of beta?
19:41:57 <plowsof11> Rino is on mainnet yeah
19:43:01 <nioc> thx
20:17:44 <kayabanerve[m]> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: They were at Monerokon and have been around a few years. Their upcoming features list has everything under the sun.
20:18:00 <kayabanerve[m]> ofrnxmr: you're likely thinking of oxen
20:18:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nah, I Google before posting 
20:18:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ohh
20:19:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> You mean lokinet 
20:19:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oxen is POS. Id prefer mergemined POW
20:25:53 <MajesticBank> glad we have nym network for sponsor
20:36:21 <geonic> I think we have a winner in the search for a one-word term for “monero user” (like bitcoiner to bitcoin)
20:37:39 <plowsof11> Moneroite 
20:38:02 <geonic> not that. not moneroid either
20:38:15 <geonic> or moneristo
20:39:28 <geonic> https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/reggaetonero#Noun 
20:39:44 <geonic> may I introduce to you… moneronero! 
20:39:49 <geonic> :D
20:40:18 * moneronero = best
20:41:36 <geonic> it’s kinda great
20:41:37 <plowsof11> Have you uodated the movie proposal yet with some promises/contacted ajs about a screening at monerokon yet 
20:42:07 <geonic> no. what should I promise? it’s already been said that the movie will
20:42:19 <geonic> be publicly available
20:42:40 <plowsof11> Ideally inside the proposal text 
20:43:08 <geonic> ok, will do. is that going to spam everyone’s email again
20:44:31 <plowsof11> Lol there is the description and the .md file so 2 things to edit, 1 change is 1 spam
20:45:16 <geonic> don’t underestimate me
20:45:34 <geonic> :D
20:47:33 <MajesticBank> about movie proposal I have two questions 1) when will some trailer be available and 2) can there be 2 milestones, 50/50 each or something similar
20:49:32 <geonic> screener link will be available to potential donors
20:50:41 <geonic> it’s already 50/50 so not sure what you’re proposing exactly
20:51:08 <MajesticBank> oh it is
20:51:28 <MajesticBank> you agree also on the proposal?
20:51:48 <geonic> it’s my proposal so I vote yes
20:52:01 <geonic> but no one cares :|
21:03:26 <plowsof11> sorry about the 'consensus achieved' joke reg movie @ https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20230211#c203439 was just trying to move the meeting along 
21:06:19 <ajs_[m]> regarding screening a film at monerokon, we have two stages, but only one is set up with A/V. The film would have be shown after the talks or if we want to show in the other stage, there will be extra A/V expenses to have it set up in stage two
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21:07:23 <ajs_[m]> Studio 1 will be for talks
21:08:03 <ajs_[m]> we are using Studio 2 as a chill out area, sponsor tables, and merch table
21:08:32 <geonic> sounds good. which one is set up with A/V?
21:09:08 <ajs_[m]> Studio 1
21:09:23 <geonic> is this the one that’s like an amphitheater?
21:11:28 <ajs_[m]> yeah
21:11:31 <ajs_[m]> we have audio for Studio 2
21:11:45 <ajs_[m]> but we would need to rent screen and projector
21:11:58 <ajs_[m]> estimate 2-3k euro
21:12:03 <geonic> 1 should work if it’s already good to
21:12:07 <geonic> go
21:12:30 <ajs_[m]> for 3 days rental
21:13:23 <ajs_[m]> we can be showing other films
21:13:34 <geonic> that’s a good idea
21:13:46 <ajs_[m]> creative commons or if get permission from directors
21:15:05 <geonic> are there any musicians in the program so far?
21:29:08 <xfedex[m]> 3k € for renting a projector for 3 days?
21:29:11 <xfedex[m]> seems a little bit too much
21:30:16 <xfedex[m]> you can buy a good quality projector for that price
21:30:22 <geonic> ya
21:31:39 <ajs_[m]> just off the hand estimate
21:32:11 <ajs_[m]> it this something you guys want, I can get the actual numbers
21:33:28 <plowsof11> i would like a private screening on geonics phone also 
21:33:36 <plowsof11> if cheaper 
21:34:26 <plowsof11> thanks for discussing this though 
21:38:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> <plowsof11> "i would like a private screening..." <- This
21:39:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> <xfedex[m]> "you can buy a good quality..." <- Can rent the entire  movie theater for lesd
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21:49:02 <caveman> is this a more suitable place to discuss a new privacy-related trade-related protocol than #monero-offtopic?
21:50:52 <plowsof11> beldex list 'geometry labs' as a R&D partner - i wonder if they're the same 'geometry labs' whom isthmus (MRL member) is the Chief Scientist of 
21:51:02 <plowsof11> caveman you had a several hour discussion about the delivery service yesterday 
21:52:57 <caveman> true.  but not enough obviously.  this is an ongoing project until one of two outcomes: failure, or liberty.
21:56:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> They want 1000/day for a projector?
21:56:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Only cost 3000/week (also generating admission fees) to have it played in new york 
21:57:07 <antonio2[m]> Enjoy a profitable earnings in forext/crypto currency and earn up to $30,000.00 within 5days, note only interested individual should ask me how 
21:57:07 <antonio2[m]> https://t.me/+BQlhudqWXGk1MWY0
21:57:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: 
21:57:49 <chesterfield[m]> Plowsof stop hoarding the get rich quick schemes
21:58:19 <BusyBoredom[m]> Judging by their twitter posts mentioning isthmus, it looks like the same geometry labs. Whether geometry labs is actually a partner or beldex just put the logo on their website is still anyone's guess though.
21:58:48 <plowsof11> the currency is in crowns, conversion will be less
22:00:37 <plowsof11> 1usd is 22.23 czech koruna (?)
22:15:02 <Dal[m]> WHats a good non custodial option for monero and bitcoin?
22:16:34 <MajesticBank> pc or phone ?
22:16:52 <Dal[m]> WOuld like functionality for both
22:16:55 <Dal[m]> Probably start with PC
22:16:55 <TheDisruptiveCol> Dal[m]: Cake Wallet, Stack Wallet.  Or are you looking for something hardware
22:16:59 <MajesticBank> you now have elitewallet and stackwallet both having majestic swap 
22:17:30 <TheDisruptiveCol> I really like Stack.  Does what it does, no bells and whistles.   But the new Twitter send features in Cake are pretty based
22:17:57 <Dal[m]> Thanks for the search terms. Ill do some research
22:18:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Elitewallet is trash 
22:18:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Highly recommend against it 🫡
22:18:36 <TheDisruptiveCol> I actually managed to get a 30 WOW drop on Twitter from MajesticBank and Elite Wallet lol but i moved them to Stack Wallet 
22:18:37 <Dal[m]> Haha thats a good question
22:18:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stack, monero.com and cake
22:18:52 <Dal[m]> What wallets should I stay the fuck away from?
22:19:14 <plowsof11> anything with the word "free" in
22:19:21 <TheDisruptiveCol> I'm sure Stack/Elite are all just forks of Cake no? 
22:19:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> No
22:20:08 <TheDisruptiveCol> Well Elite and Stack are basically identical from an UX experience 
22:20:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stack is a fork >>> rewrite
22:20:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> elite is a copy >> old version >> sus features 
22:20:22 <TheDisruptiveCol> ah ok 
22:20:33 <MajesticBank> cake wallet is fork of elitewallet  no?
22:20:37 <MajesticBank> it's reversed ?
22:20:42 <caveman> how is this place different than -offtopic?
22:20:50 <TheDisruptiveCol> Elite Wallet is pretty much brand new.  
22:21:10 <TheDisruptiveCol> Cake has been around for a while and has more features
22:21:28 <MajesticBank> It's important to give people more options
22:21:37 <plowsof11> for PC wallets - open source options are Monero GUI / CLI, and Featherwallet  https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/
22:21:53 <MajesticBank> Like better privacy and so on
22:21:55 <TheDisruptiveCol> on the desktop the only logical choice is Monero GUI 
22:22:08 <TheDisruptiveCol> Full Node GigaChad 
22:22:08 <Dal[m]> plowsof11: Can you manage bitcoin in it too?
22:22:17 <plowsof11> oh right, sorry theyre monero only
22:22:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Elite pings external servers on launch, for example.
22:22:33 <Dal[m]> TheDisruptiveCol: Im about to spin up a node 
22:22:40 <MajesticBank> you mean cake bro?
22:23:03 <TheDisruptiveCol> Dal[m]: If you have the options, i would look at installing a full BTC and XMR node.  If you have a 1TB drive. 
22:23:18 <MajesticBank> full node always best and compile app yourself
22:23:25 <MajesticBank> either that of f-droid repo
22:23:36 <MajesticBank> stack is first to be on there so far
22:23:37 <TheDisruptiveCol> Setup a Linux box, install Umbrel and setup a full BTC node with Lightning etc and then add Monero GUI.   
22:23:44 <Dal[m]> MajesticBank: GrapheneOS user, will defintely be using Fdroid
22:24:19 <TheDisruptiveCol> Dal[m]: i've managed to get a full node running on Graphene OS using udroid and a Ubuntu container.  lol 
22:24:33 <Dal[m]> TheDisruptiveCol: Thats legit
22:24:46 <Dal[m]> I have some dumper phones in my drawer I could do that with
22:24:48 <Dal[m]> Old pixels
22:25:25 <TheDisruptiveCol> Same, i upgraded to a new P7Pro so i setup my old 4 and 5A as full nodes.   low power, portable.    
22:25:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> And recommends you use their very own honeypot.
22:25:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tldr. Skip elite and use cake. If you want change or wownero, use stack 
22:25:47 <TheDisruptiveCol> i did have BasicSwapDEX running but its buggy, i need to look at it again.  
22:25:54 <TheDisruptiveCol> the idea being to have a full custody and DEX in my pocket
22:26:29 <TheDisruptiveCol> literally the only market i can find for wownero is TradeOgre and it sux 
22:27:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stack is not on Fdroid.
22:27:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Majestic spreading misinformation all the time, please stop 
22:28:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Elite wallet is not MORE privacy, it is definitively LESS.
22:28:27 <nioc> desktop CLI
22:28:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> I already gave cake and stack trouble. Elite forked an old version of cake that has issues
22:29:09 <Dal[m]> Thanks for info guys. Love this chat!
22:29:26 <Dal[m]> One of the best community's in Matrix
22:29:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Elite has BAD privacy. I do not recommend it at all
22:29:53 <TheDisruptiveCol> Cake Wallet is what i see most people using.   
22:29:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> In the* matrix, not just these servers :)
22:30:25 <TheDisruptiveCol> Is anyone going to Monerotopia 
22:30:53 <MajesticBank> https://fdroid.stackwallet.com/
22:32:22 <TheDisruptiveCol> Stack Wallet has their APK on their website. 
22:32:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats #1 not fdroid #2 monerujo did it first
22:32:39 <TheDisruptiveCol> https://github.com/cypherstack/stack_wallet/releases/latest
22:33:04 <TheDisruptiveCol> 3rd party repos for F-Droid are just as bad as adding random repos to your linux install tbh 
22:33:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Claiming stack did it first is false
22:33:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> TheDisruptiveCol: Yes
22:33:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> But
22:33:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> There are 2 types of fdroid servers 
22:33:55 <TheDisruptiveCol> if you have the know how, build it yourself from their git.  Android Studio aint that hard to use 
22:33:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> One where you just upload binaries, another that builds reproducible like froidorg
22:34:46 <TheDisruptiveCol> and the Stack Wallet repo is a subdomain on the StackWallet domain, not on the fdroid build polserver 
22:34:51 <TheDisruptiveCol> s/polserver/server/
22:35:07 <MajesticBank> monerujo is community thing, it should have been official wallet I swear
22:35:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can host your own build server
22:35:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tf
22:35:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monerujo is a 2 man team
22:35:49 <TheDisruptiveCol> its still one of the best wallets.  
22:36:34 <TheDisruptiveCol> But if you're looking for a bit more of an all round bag holder, Cake is pretty based.  plus you can buy gift cards for shit with XMR direct in the app 
22:36:49 <anhdres[m]> TheDisruptiveCol: hay not fair we're 3
22:37:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im 3 people sometimes too
22:37:17 <MajesticBank> still waiting for monerujo IOS, most of us forgot that thing is on the way
22:37:30 <TheDisruptiveCol> imagine owning an iPhone 
22:37:38 <MajesticBank> probably will be a blast
22:37:47 <anhdres[m]> you're all going to make me tear, thanks for the support
22:38:31 <anhdres[m]> MajesticBank: believe it or not, PoC is not that far away
22:38:32 <TheDisruptiveCol> going to the efforts of using monero and self custody, and then installing it and holding it on an iPhone is just uberboomer 
22:38:44 <anhdres[m]> Monerujo grows like bamboo
22:39:08 <anhdres[m]> looks like it's doing nothing for along time, then all of a sudden
22:39:22 <MajesticBank> booom
22:39:39 <MajesticBank> jobs comes back to try it out
22:39:46 <TheDisruptiveCol> if i need a burner wallet i'll make a new profile on Graphene, and just use Monerujo most times.  
22:40:23 <anhdres[m]> but yes, we're only 3, and we have other jobs! and sometimes that's difficult, but hey, we do our best and we think it's worth it
22:40:24 <anhdres[m]> TheDisruptiveCol: h*a*c*k*e*r
22:40:28 <TheDisruptiveCol> dude the work you do is awesome tbh 
22:41:09 <TheDisruptiveCol> anhdres[m]: slander 
22:41:09 <plowsof11> does gunter make it 4
22:41:09 <anhdres[m]> yes, of course
22:41:24 <TheDisruptiveCol> i only hack for ramen 
22:41:36 <TheDisruptiveCol> i sell my feet pics for monero though 
22:41:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> I started working for monerujo a couple weeks ago
22:41:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Got fired after a complaint 
22:41:58 <anhdres[m]> TheDisruptiveCol: that's even better than making memes for wow
22:42:21 <anhdres[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: you were taking photos of other people's feet to sell
22:42:30 <TheDisruptiveCol> anhdres[m]: I'm a man of culture what can i say
22:42:45 <anhdres[m]> you were supposed to only take pics of your own
22:42:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> anhdres[m]: LMFAO Siren: 
22:42:46 <anhdres[m]> haha
22:42:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> How did you know ?!
22:43:13 <TheDisruptiveCol> Feet are the real reserve currency of the dark web gentlemen.   
22:43:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Convo getting weird in 3..2...1
22:43:44 <anhdres[m]> I'm afraid of upcoming feet analytics
22:44:18 <anhdres[m]> that's why they make you take your shoes off at airports
22:44:36 <anhdres[m]> they're checking them against the dark markets to spot monero frens
22:44:40 <TheDisruptiveCol> Excuse my autism, i just took 50mg of Addy.    Normal service will return shortly.  
22:45:12 <anhdres[m]> I got carried away.
22:45:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> anhdres[m]: Lmao
22:45:27 <TheDisruptiveCol> anhdres[m]: By feet? 
22:45:38 <anhdres[m]>  Fungibility is necessary for any token to be consider The New Money
22:45:43 <anhdres[m]> done.
22:46:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wow, anhdres @anhdres:matrix.org: is onto something 
22:46:21 <TheDisruptiveCol> i really want some monero stickers for my laptop, but i worry about airports tbh 
22:46:33 <TheDisruptiveCol> it looks cool at the co-working space, not so much when speaking to the TSA 
22:46:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> By looking at feet pics that ive sold, comparing to peoples feet at airports, they can triangulate me.
22:46:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> I need better opsec
22:47:05 <plowsof11> cover it with a Facebook sticker 
22:47:22 <anhdres[m]> my laptop has a Monero sticker, a openstreetmap, a VLC one, a CCC one, and I'm still free. I'm doing the canary in the coalmine for you all
22:47:23 <TheDisruptiveCol> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> By looking at feet pics that ive sold, comparing to peoples feet at airports, they can triangulate me.
22:47:23 <TheDisruptiveCol> > 
22:47:23 <TheDisruptiveCol> > I need better opsec
22:47:23 <TheDisruptiveCol> The NSA collects all feet biometrics 
22:47:56 <TheDisruptiveCol> anhdres[m]: How many times have they made you squat 
22:49:03 <anhdres[m]> oh and a paralelni polis one
22:49:17 <Dal[m]> TheDisruptiveCol: TSA IQ cant handle the processing of what the Monero sticker means
22:49:41 <TheDisruptiveCol> i honestly just use my laptop as portable keyboard and screen these days anyway, and wipe it mid flight, same with my phone.    Last time i travelled i just took a shitty ChromeBook and GrapheneOS phone and just powerwashed and reset them when we was about to land. 
22:49:44 <anhdres[m]> but people have told me that it's not hacker-laptop because I put them all ordered like in an invisible grid instead of all over the place like a madman
22:49:57 <TheDisruptiveCol> landed at the airport with a blank phone and laptop.   check mate NSA 
22:51:17 <TheDisruptiveCol> anhdres[m]: This is true, you're not truly scitzo pilled.   You need to be more erratic in placement. 
22:52:01 <anhdres[m]> TheDisruptiveCol: in Argentina people used to do it the other way around, they filled empty laptops and phones on purpose otherwise customs think they're new and hold them for taxes
22:52:26 <anhdres[m]> now they allow one laptop and one phone per person to be "imported" without issues
22:52:28 <TheDisruptiveCol> anhdres[m]: So be it.  100GB of feet pics it is.  
22:52:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> I fuck around 
22:52:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> I come to border with a bunch of bullshit, and let them go through it for hours 
22:53:48 <nioc> do you have anything to declare?  Yes, I came back too soon
22:53:53 <TheDisruptiveCol> honestly, if a cop or border agent takes my phone or laptop out of my sight, LUKS or not.   I'm selling it the next day.  
22:53:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Then ask me wtf that was.
22:53:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1000 pictures of kittens "there must be something else here. All kittens, bit even an os??"
22:53:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Haha. Yep. All kittens. 
22:53:57 <nioc> actual interaction  
22:54:17 <Dal[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: IDK if youre punishing yourself or the TSA
22:54:17 <anhdres[m]> nioc: the master
22:54:23 <nioc> ofrnxmr[m]: phone is mostly cat pics, yes
22:54:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dal[m]: Not me
22:54:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> I show up early and expect s 5 hour wait 
22:55:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> They're the ones looking in hidden and folders, finding encrypted folders 
22:55:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> And all kittens
22:55:34 <nioc> anhdres[m]: he just waved me thru after that  :D
22:55:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> And by kittens, I mean feet
22:55:45 <TheDisruptiveCol> i'm not a US citizen, and quite frankly i refuse to give someone access to my laptop. 
22:55:55 <anhdres[m]> I loved last time after Monerokon they made me open my suitcase and shuffle around all my stuff and I had the monero stickers and a party guy fawkes mask for my kid, haha it was like a cybercriminal cliche
22:55:57 <anhdres[m]> they didn't say a thing
22:56:14 <nioc> lolol
22:56:15 <TheDisruptiveCol> the fact that they can even ask you to surrender your phone pin or laptop password is literally insane. 
22:56:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hahahaha
22:56:25 <TheDisruptiveCol> so they literally get a wiped device from me.    
22:57:47 <TheDisruptiveCol> i've travelled once with some SDR kit and they literally held me for 2 hours and i had to get my company to be like yeah, he works here, this is kit.    
22:58:13 <TheDisruptiveCol> HackRF and some other fuckery, think the boomer searching me thought it was a bomb or something 
22:59:47 <TheDisruptiveCol> Maybe he was a fellow anon.   TSA /pol user 
23:00:51 <TheDisruptiveCol> i wouldn't go around thinking that the TSA aren't trained on what Monero is though not in 2023.  They probably get trained on hardware wallets etc too 
23:01:28 <TheDisruptiveCol> Pretty much every LEA in the 1st world has a cyber forensics officer now, BPD isn't any different. 
23:02:53 <cockliuser[m]> <anhdres[m]> "now they allow one laptop and..." <- Buy same model phone/laptop and clone allowed phone/laptop into it ez
23:02:58 <cockliuser[m]> trollface.png
23:03:31 <cockliuser[m]> Customs agents hate this one hack!!! 
23:04:16 <anhdres[m]> hehe
23:04:44 <TheDisruptiveCol> next time i might install Arch with i3 and give them the password.  
23:04:44 <TheDisruptiveCol> i challenge them to even open a file manager
23:19:04 <Siren[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "LMFAO Siren:..." <- no stealing my toes
23:29:14 <TheDisruptiveCol> <Siren[m]> "no stealing my toes" <- too late 
23:31:31 <TheDisruptiveCol> I leaked your toes onto FeetFinder.com and made bank 
23:37:52 <TheDisruptiveCol> Bruh 
23:38:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Discovered a new site?
23:38:54 <plowsof11> who put the monero stickers at the top of this tower in Lithuania https://nitter.it/fluffypony/status/1624348577420963840 
23:41:09 <plowsof11> 25:35 for a better view (im scared of heights, wasn't me)
23:41:35 <Siren[m]> says tweet not found
23:42:52 <Siren[m]> ah for a moment I thought he himself was in Lithuania
23:42:54 <plowsof11> Siren https://nitter.sethforprivacy.com/fluffypony/status/1624348577420963840 ?
23:42:57 <Siren[m]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k034jZ5kTlI&t=1531s
23:43:11 <plowsof11> doh, direct link ot the video is easier yes lol
23:43:17 <TheDisruptiveCol> I was gonna say Shiey or Gas
23:43:31 <TheDisruptiveCol> That's their neck if the woods and MO.   Climbing towers 
23:43:47 <plowsof11> i think it was caveman practicing his drone flying for the delivery idea
23:44:15 <caveman> i don't get why plowsof11 is so butthurt.  he is a feds staff?
23:44:28 <Siren[m]> yeah you didn't believe us when we told you everywhere in Lithuania has these now?
23:45:11 <Siren[m]> soviet tv tower ain't an exception
23:46:01 <nioc> bad cat 0_o
23:46:23 <Stnby[m]> Siren[m]: probably someone will sneak this inside the actual nuclear reactor in Lithuania one day
23:47:05 <Siren[m]> Stnby[m]: the cathedral cellar too, probably
23:50:32 <Stnby[m]> I think we even know who did that sticker, but will wait for confirmation
23:50:45 <Stnby[m]> Deserves a golden sticker lmao
23:50:50 <Siren[m]> however if we don't know you, hit us up
23:50:57 <Siren[m]> we have meet ups
23:51:01 <Siren[m]> https://twitter.com/Generalist_Lab/status/1624430208408293380
23:51:04 <Siren[m]> I know who did this
23:51:05 <Siren[m]> * did this one
23:53:19 <Siren[m]> Stnby[m]: YES THAT'S HIM!!!
23:53:24 <Siren[m]> madlad
23:54:12 <TheDisruptiveCol> Do we hand out gold stars for based stickering.  
23:54:28 <TheDisruptiveCol> Challenge accepted.   Time to go sticker up The Bank Of England 
23:54:46 <Siren[m]> we sticked next to european commission building in brussels too
23:55:05 <Siren[m]> I sticked next to NATO building
23:55:23 <Siren[m]> but they removed it :(
23:55:32 <TheDisruptiveCol> I was in Brussels a few weeks ago, a beautiful city. 
23:55:54 <TheDisruptiveCol> Spent 2 hours in a meeting, spent 3 days drunk 
23:56:46 <Siren[m]> honestly should have next Monerokon in Brussels if we can afford
23:56:54 <Siren[m]> we would have so much fun
23:58:08 <TheDisruptiveCol> So much beer.  So much win 
23:59:07 <TheDisruptiveCol> Also.  The food is on point.  Brussels like like the perfect blend of Dutch chill and French style.  
23:59:25 <Siren[m]> have you tried waffles?
23:59:39 <TheDisruptiveCol> Yeah.  I ran through like 11 types lol 
23:59:41 <Siren[m]> we could rent food trucks for waffles, fries etc
23:59:50 <TheDisruptiveCol> And accept Monero for waffles 
23:59:55 <TheDisruptiveCol> I'm fkin down
23:59:56 <Siren[m]> yes!