00:11:09 about 1.5kb 00:12:29 7 months! 02:00:18 Revuo Monero. Issue 160: February 16 - 23, 2023. http://revuo-xmr.com/issue-160.html 07:29:55 https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/monero-payment-option-tesla.html 07:29:55 lol 07:31:33 There has been worse 07:31:44 Coral reef, Oscars etc 09:11:27 Chinese Monero forum ... 09:12:07 I mean, Coral Reef at least was up for some time, but that super-expensive Chinese Monero forum was a ghost town in the best of times 09:12:59 The biggest problem with Tesla was that nobody knew a God damn thing about it, back room dealings and such 09:14:00 Wen #monero-history 15:35:55 Wow, very surprised that Tesla ccs was actually funded. I'm glad it was refunded. 15:36:11 It was instafunded 15:36:11 And instamerged 15:37:50 monero . shopping proposal wasn't that bad in retrospect 15:39:32 but we all know that the ccs "funding required" page could not have handled the markdown expertise of the proposer.. it may have crashed the entire thing after merging 15:39:59 But.. rocket emojis 15:40:25 Did elon add Monero as a payment option 15:40:40 No 15:40:54 I dont think hes ever said monero by name in public 15:41:45 Has referred to it though (its a cryptonight, and something about fungibility) 15:44:41 AFAIK Elon doesn't like Monero 15:44:48 He does 15:44:57 Elon likes Dogenero 15:45:11 ^^ 15:45:34 aka wownero? 15:45:39 He pumped shitcoins for the big dogs, and mentions xmr etc when they are fighting with him 15:46:17 Anyway, when he said "CryptoNight", Musk wasn't referring to the old Monero PoW algorithm, but I think he was referring to the market conditions (a crypto night) 15:46:18 Like "ill make xmr 100x if you keep fucking with me" 15:46:41 xfedex[m]: Nah. Same timeframe he posted about "isnt it too fungible though" 15:47:08 He made a few tongue in cheek threats to his handlers 15:49:59 Edge Wallet accidentally put private keys in log files under rare conditions and then allowed users to send the log files to Edge servers: https://web.archive.org/web/20230224154236/https://edge.app/blog/company-news/edge-security-incident-urgent-notice/ 15:50:08 > Based on visibility of keys on the Edge logs server, this vulnerability has compromised approximately 2000 private keys by sending them to Edge infrastructure. This amounts to less than 0.01% of the approximate total keys created on the Edge platform. In addition, a spot check of several dozen private keys show that many still have funds remaining. Through this, we ascertain that there has not been a wide sweeping compromise of 15:50:08 Edge infrastructure which would have compromised a vast majority of funds on such keys. 15:50:35 Looks like they had a good disclosure response 15:51:03 You can hold XMR in Edge 15:52:25 I think Edge is "partially open source" 15:53:53 Edge is recommended on getmonero, iirc they are open source but they use mymonero backend 15:55:26 Edge Wallet seems Edgy 15:56:06 best wallet for desktop is Feather, for mobile is Stack Wallet 15:57:25 What about elite wallet 15:58:06 Seems decent 16:14:59 CLI 17:12:42 "Seems decent" <- Lmfao 17:12:59 Dont use elite 17:13:31 I've never used it, I heard it's a wallet developed by Majestic Bank 17:13:35 ofrnxmr: Edge Wallet failed to build from source 🤷 : https://walletscrutiny.com/android/co.edgesecure.app/ 17:14:04 Stack Wallet is better for sure 17:15:13 otherwise there is Cake Wallet, but for some reason Cake refuses to add Wownero (they prefer listing Haven Protocol which offers private stablecoins that are not stable) 17:16:30 Haven is broken in cake anyway 17:19:40 Stack is the best wow wallet for sure 17:42:36 It sure is 17:44:17 Don’t use edge wallet 17:45:38 I find it quite interesting that of all the community drama out there, there’s never drama about the company slurping up xmr view keys 17:46:01 I tried and was cancelled 17:47:30 Lets try again 17:47:32 I dont think any centralized implementations should be recommended on getmonero. Mymonero could be an exception but not sure what sort of connections its making 17:47:40 Unstopped using it when it had a bug that leaked LWS viewkeys to mymonero 17:47:48 Exception because it works with LWS 17:48:16 I stopped* using 17:48:25 I think mymonero and any wallet or service that uses their api should be removed 17:48:37 I disagree. We need a client for the light wallet server. 17:48:52 Again, only reason why mymonero could be an exception is because of lws compatibility 17:48:57 in fact, I have one that is finished and will be released shortly. I know I've been saying that for a while and I apologize about that. I've had some significant hurdles to overcome. 17:49:05 but it is fully open source and fully customizable 17:49:17 myMonero itself now obviously cannot be vouched for 17:49:23 otherwise, I would do so 17:49:34 but you're right that it could be making all sorts of odd connections, and they've had it all sorts of weird stuff to it 17:49:48 not to mention arbitrarily, changing the code, without any reason other than just the fact that they don't like me anymore, despite the fact that they're using all of my code for free and then I've gotten nothing for it 17:49:57 that 17:50:05 MyMonero tricks users into thinking they are actually being private. +1 for removing it, unless it adds a HUGE red pop-up disclaimer like this: "WARNING: if you use MyMonero your privacy will be compromised" 17:50:06 The more people use mymonero the worse privacy Monero has 17:50:13 that's not really true 17:50:13 It shouldn’t be suggested 17:50:20 Yes it is 17:50:23 Mymonero doesnt even use default fees iirc 17:50:24 Yes, it is 17:50:39 it's not true at all because people can use their own server. The problem is not the client. The problem is the company itself. 17:50:39 yeah indeed 17:50:40 So it does fingerprint, maybe not anymore(?) 17:51:03 and the reason that MyMonero doesn't use default fees is because they have rejected the feedback that I gave. My comments on the PR that I was asked to comment on we're literally censored, and then I was banned from commenting on their repository. 17:51:04 It uses JavaScript 17:51:09 hilarious that we call it an open source project isn't it? 17:51:10 Can you even use an api besides theirs 17:51:21 Yes Chesterfield you can 17:51:28 Yes chesterfield: you can use LWS 17:51:33 jberman[m]: ^ 17:51:36 I’ve never seen mymonero recommend it 17:51:52 You must not have been around the community very long 17:52:00 it used to be a very important project for this community before they got corrupted 17:52:01 Because myself Seth and grampy had keys leak when we tried it 17:52:02 Doesn’t it cost them less money to have people use their own servers 17:52:14 yes, Chesterfield exactly 17:52:17 Surely mymonero makes money by selling xmr user data 17:52:23 They used to charge $10 to restore(create?) a wallet 17:52:27 while I was there, I had absolutely no knowledge of such a thing 17:52:41 but I must tell you, I have serious doubts about the people running it now 17:52:48 I just want to emphasize the problem is not the concept of a light wallet server 17:52:59 and it's also true the upcoming protocol upgrades will further ameliorate our concerns 17:53:02 Then it should probably be removed as a suggested wallet in getmonero 17:53:22 From MyMonero website: 17:53:22 > We take privacy and security seriously: we support Monero natively because it maintains the strongest privacy technology in any digital currency. 17:53:22 Also, from the same website, hidden in the privacy policy: 17:53:22 > When you access or use our Services, we automatically collect information about you, including: Your wallet’s public address and view key - your private key, mnemonic seed and all the really important wallet information is yours to protect and we will never have access to it. 17:53:31 * From MyMonero website: 17:53:31 > We take privacy and security seriously: we support Monero natively because it maintains the strongest privacy technology in any digital currency. 17:53:31 Also, from the same website, hidden in the privacy policy: 17:53:31 > When you access or use our Services, we automatically collect information about you, including: Your wallet’s public address and view key - your private key, mnemonic seed and all the really important wallet information is yours to protect and we will never have access to it. 17:53:40 > I just want to emphasize the problem is not the concept of a light wallet server 17:53:40 Agreed. Problem is the centralization of it 17:53:40 If cake was going to be removed for having suggestive Monero.com website, why isn’t mymonero being removed for statistically breaking Monero privacy 17:54:19 I don’t get it 17:54:26 Cake isnt being removed anymore 17:54:34 Is fluffy still involved in mymonero 17:54:39 Or never was, but its not a subject anymore 17:54:47 ofrnxmr[m]: Yeah because they changed their site theme 17:54:49 The mymonero situation seems way worse 17:55:37 chesterfield, as far as i know fluffy is both the owner of mymonero and one of the mantainers of the getmonero.org website 17:56:14 i guess it's the reason why mymonero is still listed and recommended 17:56:34 not exactly 17:56:43 mymonero used to be a very contributive project to monero 17:56:48 it funded and helped many things 17:56:59 it was one of the only ones that actually cared 17:57:04 sorry for my failure there 17:57:09 that's why i'm doing my new thing 17:57:16 the point is to be what monero actually needed 17:57:32 problem is i have to do everything myself since i chose not to raise so as to not cede control 17:57:38 so as to avoid these very concerns 17:57:42 i'm almost done 17:57:46 you all will be blown away 17:57:47 Isn’t there something like openmonero wallet 17:57:47 :) 17:57:50 yes 17:57:58 also monero-lws 17:58:09 it all reproduces the "mymonero" api 17:58:23 See, that should be listed in get 17:58:23 I er as well as the self hosting light wallet server instead of edge and mymoner 17:58:26 xfedex[m]: And why she shall remain 17:58:29 i will focus on finishing now where i can. my life has been stupidly hard 17:58:34 The recent addition of View Tags reduces the need for light wallets anyway. Syncing wallets is quite fast even on mobile phones. 17:58:34 s/get/getmonero/, s/I er// 17:58:40 let's add them then 17:58:50 xfedex[m]: sync time is not the only issue 17:58:54 bandwidth and conn speed 17:58:57 Where’s the Monero slave 17:59:01 it's not practical for some 17:59:03 plowsof: 17:59:04 i am the monero slace 17:59:06 slave 17:59:09 chesterfield[m]: Its not production ready (?) 17:59:32 No plowsof is the resident paid Monero butler 17:59:45 Doesn't support subaddresses yet among other things 17:59:45 Vtnerd and jberman are who to talk to about its current status 18:00:06 Oh yeah subaddresses 18:00:14 no 18:00:18 i designed the subaddr api 18:00:24 the others were insufficient 18:00:28 Does she work 18:00:28 it is one of my pending prs 18:00:32 client totally fonished 18:00:33 Let me try it 18:00:34 same as server 18:00:37 ok soon 18:00:38 sorry 18:00:40 Is the or submit yet? 18:00:42 PR* 18:00:42 it's been done for a year 18:00:46 no not yet sorry 18:00:53 but totally built 18:01:00 it sucks having the world on my back 18:01:04 Please hurry 18:01:05 wish i had a real partner lol 18:01:07 Can we remove mymonero and edge from get Monroe endo 18:01:10 i will 18:01:11 Were trying to make progress before grampy dies 18:01:16 Ty endo 18:01:18 chesterfield[m]: your call my friends :) 18:01:22 hahahah 18:01:23 noted 18:01:29 history: mymonero was created at the time when the DB was stored in RAM and some people could not use monero 18:01:40 that has little to do with it niox 18:01:43 also all there was was the CLI 18:01:46 as in nothing to do with it 18:01:56 it is stil lthe only way to make a reasonable ux 18:02:04 you just don't know what you're missing 18:02:07 endogenic: yes, just giving some context fwiw 18:02:17 it should be noted that nioc is a close friend of fluffy 18:02:27 not really nioc it ought to be relevant and true 18:02:30 I know what im missing, 18:02:30 I dont like downloading 30gb over mobile connection 18:02:31 lmo 18:02:38 ^ 18:02:41 close friend lol 18:02:59 yeah, I remember you saying how much of a good hugger he is 18:03:06 well he is 18:03:11 Gross 18:03:20 my GF agrees 18:03:38 ooh look at you you have human contact 18:03:41 lol :) 18:03:52 i gotta cope with a vicious world somehow 18:03:55 bbl 18:03:57 .bbl 18:08:37 "Were trying to make progress..." <- Hello I'm having some very, very bad vertigo today 18:10:03 I remember crawling on the floor to feed Cat 18:10:10 CAT > human 18:11:19 and mi morono was created as a temp solution 18:11:34 as it was less than ideal 18:51:41 MyMonero is good in countries like Cuba, Venezuela, Peru, etc. where download speed is terrible and monthly data is very limited. And not everyone want to run their lws 18:52:36 how would you know how or why it was created nioc ? 18:52:56 and why do you continue to teach others as if you're qualified? 18:52:59 shady as f 18:53:44 idk what you thought this project was for but it was not intended to be a temporary anything to the people who truly understood what it's fir 18:53:45 for 18:54:06 nowadays the people "running" my monero cant be bothered to even show up here for support 18:54:17 and look at their twitter now 18:54:20 what a farce 18:54:29 it's all about exchanging into other currencies 18:54:59 typical of all these wallet companies that dont give a shit about monero 18:55:05 it's like a rape victim 18:55:55 there are easy technical solutions for running your own lws 18:56:11 the companies now just havent done it because they dont care about you 18:56:18 that's why i was treated badly 18:56:22 wake up. 18:58:03 https://genius.com/Eminem-favorite-bitch-lyrics 19:03:42 that's what I remember about how it was presented when it was created. A solution to the problem that people had a difficult time using monero because because DB was in ram. 19:04:07 if I have time maybe I will go and reread the bct thread 19:05:30 just a bit of history whether it is relevant or not now = .shrug 19:06:05 shady? lol 19:09:30 the ram thing has zero bearing 19:09:55 nioc you'd be wise to not invalidate my concerns 19:10:01 but you already know me in person 19:10:21 that's why i know what you are 19:10:31 I am not invalidating anything 19:10:34 But nioc isnt wise, hes nioc 19:12:50 nioc if that were true you wouldnt disagree with me just like that 19:12:55 and scroll back maybe 19:12:57 you are 19:13:04 and now youre gaslighting 19:13:09 heyyy paul can recognize abuse now 19:13:14 sad monero at large cant tet 19:13:31 yes I disagreed that I am close friends with fluffy 19:13:33 monero needs to make up its mind but it wont be able to til larer 19:13:37 no nioc 19:13:41 you said "shady lol" 19:13:48 you are shady 19:13:51 lying is shady 19:13:52 admit it 19:14:04 I lied? 19:14:13 yep 19:14:20 ask me again later if you cant find it 19:14:24 .bbl 19:14:32 The shady part is that we still recommend centralized view key storage 19:14:48 Whatever happened in 2015, IDC. I was born yesterday 19:18:47 Lovera[m]: in that scenario is a mobile wallet viable? 19:19:17 ofrnxmr[m]: I am sure that I saw you last week 19:19:46 That wasnt me 19:20:28 That was rc1. Got scrapped. Im rc2 19:27:09 Hi 19:27:12 I come in peace 19:27:18 Liar 19:27:31 ofrnxmr[m]: true, I just came to see the drama 19:27:38 How may we assist, master dsc 19:27:56 oh just pretend I am not here 19:28:10 Do you like your drama shaken or stirred? 19:28:15 :D 19:28:49 sorry dsc_ but it seems quiet in here 19:29:20 I think endogenic fell asleep 19:29:42 what up 19:29:46 it's me working 19:29:51 or trying to 19:29:56 c++ is awesome!!!! 19:30:02 actually i do think so 19:30:20 oh we were making fun of paul 19:30:25 Endogenic how do feel about txextra 19:30:27 Do you* 19:30:48 good question 19:30:57 Have you been keeping up with MRL? 19:30:58 i feel like standford blockchain conference about it and actually qualified research instead of conflicts of interest and research sabotage 19:31:05 as a person who isnt actually corrupt 19:31:07 but hey 19:31:14 you have to decide what you want 19:31:26 comfort and corruption? or reality and an actual future? 19:31:27 Im asking your view on it in monero 19:31:32 i know 19:31:36 bbl <3 19:32:03 c++ is awesome!!!! <== now here is a real liar :D 19:32:11 > comfort and corruption? or reality and an actual future? 19:32:11 The former being keeping it? 19:32:51 no dude hahah 19:32:53 i'm serious 19:33:06 fuckers inventing new languages mostly dont know how to write reasonable code 19:33:10 some do 19:33:16 but react? please. 19:33:40 Talking bout tx extra, where does react come in 19:34:25 i was replying to dsc 19:34:30 Okok 19:34:54 and in case you think i'm being evasive i will use more thumb lifespan to tell you i was also being serious 19:35:08 i have weighed in in the mrl room to the effect i summarized 19:35:37 That was a riddle, not a summary 19:35:53 right now monero has conflicting guidance on some things 19:36:00 Definitely 19:36:08 So.. remove it? 19:36:11 no 19:36:17 So.. keep it? 19:36:23 we are debating it because we dont know 19:36:26 it's so simple 19:36:40 but some people do know 19:36:49 No, im asking you what you know, or would like to contibute 19:36:58 Yes, some people do know. 19:37:16 And some speak in riddles and therefore get excluded from the convo 19:37:32 it's not a riddle 19:37:48 you/ we. are not qualified to do this research are we? 19:37:54 how about we find someone independent 19:38:01 Depends what handle I use 19:38:10 indeed 19:38:10 bbl 20:18:07 vtnerd's done some nice work on monero-lws recently. I've been focusing more on the Seraphis/Jamtis upgrade. I think the impact it would have on light wallets is awesome, it's got a privacy upgrade over current light wallets 20:18:15 I talked about it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGEBRQU1lzw&t=727 21:03:20 What OS for phone do people use here ? I am trying to convince myself to get to GrapheneOS but they don’t support a real 1:1 backup, it would be nice if there is some solution like backing up your whole phone to drive. Or maybe there are other solutions I am not aware off. 21:05:55 modul8[m]: Look at Lineage and Arrow as Android replacements. 21:06:13 Less hardenned than Graphene, but support more phones. 21:07:16 Love the approach of GrapheneOS but the support on things are minimal. I didnt know Arrow 21:08:52 movie reviews tricking in: https://twitter.com/IanNiculescu/status/1629186780116156417 22:47:17 Cake Wallet is now on desktop, starting with MacOS! Join the TestFlight to test our first beta release! https://cakelabs.com/news/cake-wallet-arrives-on-desktop/ 22:58:38 holy moly 23:17:31 It has almost feature parity with mobile, but not quite :) 23:18:47 output selection? :p 23:19:17 not for monero, but that is coming soon^tm 23:19:18 probably not as soon as cake wallet on linux/windows though 23:19:33 nice