00:00:22 <Stnby[m]> I want a better boat tbh
00:00:26 <Stnby[m]> Live to save on a boat
00:00:50 <Siren[m]> Plz fund my radio operator license k thnx
00:01:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Only if you stream to I2p as well ❤️
00:01:42 <Siren[m]> We can
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00:42:00 <kreyren2> <hbs[m]> "The closest I can think of is..." <- how would that help
00:57:53 <DanIsnotthemanBr> <Siren[m]> "CCS to fund us a Monero themed..." <- I thought it was for sgp jet?
00:57:57 <DanIsnotthemanBr> * for sgp’s  jet?
01:09:10 <geonic> what happened to the yacht
01:12:01 <geonic> <Siren[m]> CCS to fund us a Monero themed sail <= https://forum.getmonero.org/22/completed-tasks/87627/get-a-massive-monero-logo-on-a-sail-in-the-bermuda-one-two-yacht-race
01:17:35 <geonic> I'd chip in. it's a good conversation starter and not too expensive. even better if you're part of a yacht club or something.
01:17:49 <geonic> or race
03:03:21 <Stnby[m]> <geonic> "I'd chip in. it's a good..." <- I am not a part of one, at least not anymore but we have a small club nearby that we get along with/organise local races (obviously not as big as Bermunda stuff)  :D
03:40:13 <geonic> are you thinking spinnaker or main/jib sail?
03:43:36 <Stnby[m]> I need a main one as its old and ripping apart
03:44:27 <geonic> it's also the most visible so it's the perfect candidate
03:45:10 <geonic> do you know how much it would be? for the sail + printing
03:45:13 <Stnby[m]> I have spinnaker and gennaker already but they are not a perfect fit for the boat
03:45:44 <Stnby[m]> Hard to find sails for frankenstine of a boat whose mast is not original either :D
03:46:15 <geonic> yeah I noticed the boat is a bit beat up :p
03:46:17 <Stnby[m]> These are the scales of regattas that we have. https://youtu.be/jun-pkg4sgI (we are also in it)
03:46:50 <geonic> how big is it?
03:46:52 <geonic> the boat I mean
03:47:22 <Stnby[m]> geonic: 33ft https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/carter-33
03:47:46 <geonic> nice
03:48:49 <geonic> I've mostly sailed in these https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/martin-242
03:50:09 <Stnby[m]> I've sailed in quite a bit of different ones but all of them european
03:50:10 <Stnby[m]> This is in fact my 3rd boat :D
03:51:13 <Stnby[m]> geonic: Do you own one? Sail casually?
03:51:25 <geonic> I don't own, just sail on other people's boats
03:52:30 <geonic> slip fees are $400 a month here for a small boat so it adds up. but you could technically sail year-round
03:55:00 <geonic> I think a few grand for a Monero sail is a good investment if the person sailing the boat loves Monero and can explain what it is when someone asks. bonus points if you name the boat thankful for today :D
03:55:19 <Stnby[m]> Lol we pay some grandma that owns a house on a shore of a river.
03:56:07 <Stnby[m]> for water or winter storage we go with that club in the video
03:56:14 <Stnby[m]> * for water fill up or winter
03:56:49 <Stnby[m]> geonic: renaming a boat is american thing I guess
03:57:18 <Stnby[m]> it is very disrespectful to change boats name
03:57:25 <geonic> there are people who anchor their boats just outside the LA marina and dinghy in and out. but you're basically a homeless person at that point living in a tent on the water
03:57:40 <geonic> really? interesting
03:59:01 <Stnby[m]> You only set a name of a new boat I guess. Or if it is very non fit :D
03:59:31 <Stnby[m]> Good example is our first boat was called after my town and then someone bought it across the country where the4 name makes no sense :D
03:59:38 <Stnby[m]> s/the4/the/
04:00:17 <Stnby[m]> The buyer even asked if he can change the name IIrc
04:00:18 <Siren[m]> geonic: Idk this tent has a fully featured kitchen + bathroom
04:00:19 <Stnby[m]> Better than student apartments
04:00:37 <Siren[m]> Yeah and 5 beds or something 
04:00:45 <geonic> yeah but you're rocking in the waves the whole time
04:00:59 <geonic> and they have to come and rescue you when there's a storm coming
04:01:27 <geonic> they have no sails too. don't know if their engines even work
04:01:36 <Siren[m]> Rescue me from where? The port?
04:01:51 <geonic> not you. the ppl I'm talking about. they tow them in
04:01:52 <Stnby[m]> Nah the ones who park in the homeless port
04:01:57 <geonic> inside the breakwater
04:02:19 <Siren[m]> I can park in the port port and leave before the port opens :Ddd
04:02:25 <Stnby[m]> Does that trick work in LA?
04:02:30 <geonic> it's a pretty sad sight
04:02:33 <geonic> which one?
04:02:45 <Siren[m]> Come late at night and leave early morning. Who's gonna make me pay
04:02:45 <geonic> parking for the night and leaving early? haven't tried
04:03:03 <Stnby[m]> Park at port right before it closes and leave before it opens
04:03:13 <Stnby[m]> Charge batteries, fill up water for free
04:03:14 <Siren[m]> It's free real estate
04:03:20 <geonic> for sure you could do it. the marina here is the biggest in North America I think. can always tuck in somewhere for the night
04:03:30 <Stnby[m]> sometimes even a shower
04:03:43 <geonic> for shower you'll need a key
04:04:51 <Stnby[m]> I heard many people say that they travelled around the world without paying for ports by doing the night/morning trick.
04:05:09 <Stnby[m]> You never come to the same port twice!
04:05:15 <geonic> will definitely work for one night
04:05:45 <geonic> maybe even a week if you move around. this one is really big
04:06:49 <Stnby[m]> Interesting maybe one day will check it out, but before that there are far more interesting places like Caribbean etc
04:09:07 <geonic> for sure. this isn't a destination by any means unless it's for a regatta
12:16:27 <lender[m]> Hello everyone. Been studying / using monero for months and am new here, and willing to help/learn/serve as i can. 
12:18:04 <lender[m]> ooh, sailing geonic and @stnby. Men of culture. 
12:18:36 <lender[m]> ooh, Siren , nice boat. 
12:20:43 <Siren[m]> Do sellers on moneromarket.io reduce shipping costs when you tell them the address because shipping a pack of pasta within EU doesn't cost 24 USD wtf
12:20:43 <Siren[m]> https://moneromarket.io/listing/50653231-d0e7-4f95-a765-5f89532e65ca
12:32:00 <moneraut[m]> <lender[m]> "Hello everyone. Been studying..." <- Welcome! I am also new here. 
12:57:06 <lender[m]> <moneraut[m]> "Welcome! I am also new here...." <- ty
16:30:40 <BobArctor[m]> Hi all!
16:31:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hello
18:59:43 <blue_ocean767[m]> Hey has anyone ever had trouble with Kraken?  They recently banned my account over "security" concerns and I can't figure out what went wrong since they won't tell me.  I'm guessing I was flagged for AML concerns, but I'm not sure what went wrong since I don't do anything illegal.  I tried to purchase a small amount of Monero and was going to withdraw it to my Feather Wallet, but they banned my account before I could do so.
18:59:43 <blue_ocean767[m]> Do you guys think this is Monero related?  Or have one of the several defi wallets I use could they have been compromised?  All the exchanges I use exclusively on my mobile are fine.  It seems to be tied directly just to my pc.  Could my computer have been hacked?  Why am I getting flagged for AML stuff when I don't do anything like that?  I like digital privacy, but as far as I know everything I do is perfectly legal
18:59:43 <blue_ocean767[m]> though.
19:01:13 <ceetee[m]> Did you do their KYC stuff?
19:02:20 <ceetee[m]> how many of the security features did you enable? at minimum, I'd recommend 2FA with aegis or something
19:03:25 <ceetee[m]> I never had any problems with them, and kraken is known to be one of the better CEX
19:04:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Most likely not monero related, but related to the source of your funds 
19:05:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> The defi stuff you deposited was likely dirty or flagged 
19:05:19 <DanIsnotthemanBr> What about vpns do they stop account using that to?
19:05:31 <blue_ocean767[m]> I only had my bank account connected.
19:05:44 <blue_ocean767[m]> buying monero was my first purchase.
19:05:53 <blue_ocean767[m]> Got banned 4 days later
19:06:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Likely a hiccup in kyc, or you are from an area they arent allowed to serve 
19:06:26 <blue_ocean767[m]> I use a vpn but that shouldn't affect anything should it?
19:06:43 <blue_ocean767[m]> I'm in US.  I thought Kraken was fine in the US
19:06:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kraken has different rules for different States 
19:07:32 <dsc_> blue_ocean767[m]: how old is your Kraken account
19:07:34 <blue_ocean767[m]> I'm thinking one of my defi wallets might be dirty.  But I never tried to connect it to Kraken.  
19:07:53 <blue_ocean767[m]> Also Coinbase just locked my account too.
19:08:02 <blue_ocean767[m]> Kraken account was less than a week old at time of banning
19:08:19 <blue_ocean767[m]> All my accounts on my mobile device are fine though.
19:08:41 <blue_ocean767[m]> I don't do illegal stuff so why am I getting flag for AML?
19:08:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://support.kraken.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001368823-Where-can-I-use-Kraken-#h_01FFFG58H0XMJN2PMHX46MNVCH
19:08:45 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> For real do they be banning people out of the blue
19:09:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Coinbase and kraken at the same time = stolen id doesnt work 
19:09:12 <dsc_> the fact he is banned on coinbase too is interesting, probably not even Kraken/Monero related
19:09:16 <moneraut[m]> Me neither, Kraken is fine. I still consider of the best security cex out there. There is an active community member of Kraken on reddit, you could connect to them
19:09:47 <blue_ocean767[m]> Im
19:09:47 <DanIsnotthemanBr> They found you
19:10:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> You need to contact coinbase and kraken and figure out what the issue is 
19:10:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not monero
19:10:33 <blue_ocean767[m]> I'm an avid defi user, but I stick to major Dapps.  I don't use anything obscure.  And it seems to be isolated to exchanges I interact with from my pc.
19:10:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nor monero related 
19:10:36 <dsc_> they wont give him a reason though
19:10:40 <blue_ocean767[m]> Kraken didn't tell me crap
19:10:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Defi is a scam
19:10:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> dsc_: He's an avid defi user 
19:11:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Probably has a lot of non fungible dust
19:11:07 <blue_ocean767[m]> Neither is Coinbase
19:11:08 <dsc_> ofrnxmr[m]: well then he deserves to be banned ... /me runs :D
19:11:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> They dont want to do business with tax evaders 
19:12:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stick to defi
19:12:05 <blue_ocean767[m]> They just tell me the same we can't say for security reasons BS
19:12:29 <blue_ocean767[m]> How would I be flagged for tax evasion?
19:12:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah, because they've been made to notify or have been contacted by the authorities regarding Yoi
19:12:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> You
19:12:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> blue_ocean767[m]: Defi
19:13:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tied to your name = closing all accounts 
19:13:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Coinbase will close your account if you use samourai
19:13:11 <blue_ocean767[m]> How is defi tax evasion?
19:13:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> blue_ocean767[m]: Because every time you move an asset it is a taxable event 
19:13:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nfts arent money
19:13:33 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Yeah thats what it seems like. If both coinbase and kraken shut the account down
19:14:21 <blue_ocean767[m]> So you get banned for being a defi user?  I thought you can use like Coinledger to report your them on your taxes?
19:14:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you never deposit anything onbkraken, then youre on a list 
19:14:35 <plowsof11> tfw you buy monero and get banned from kraken (lolno)
19:15:11 <plowsof11> tell the rest of the class what really happened 
19:15:29 <blue_ocean767[m]> I would if I knew.
19:15:36 <dsc_> where were you on the night of 12 february 2021
19:15:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> You do know
19:15:43 <plowsof11> ^^^^^^
19:15:46 <moneraut[m]> blue_ocean767[m]: Nah I dont think that. Coinbase is a great promoter of defi like aave, compound, maker and more. I think it somehow external request. 
19:15:49 <blue_ocean767[m]> But they why do all my other exchanges still work?
19:16:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> For bow^
19:16:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Now*
19:16:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kraken andbcoinbase = highly regulated
19:16:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Binance = scam
19:16:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Binance will close your account with enough pressure 
19:16:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kucoin wont let you kyc if youre American 
19:17:19 <blue_ocean767[m]> But how do you get unflagged?  since I'm not even sure what I did wrong?
19:17:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> You dont use shitcoins. 
19:17:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Now you get to contact whoever closed your account first 
19:18:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> And ask them repeatedly for the reason - so that you can fix it on your end
19:18:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> They may never unban you, but id get them to tell me what the issue is. If not, contact the IRS and ask them
19:18:49 <blue_ocean767[m]> but they don't say.  Trust I've emailed back and forth with Kraken over 15 times now.  And they seem very unwilling to tell me why I was flagged.
19:18:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Make sure to tell them youre an avid defi user
19:19:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> So they can laugh like a madman before disconnecting the call 
19:19:29 <blue_ocean767[m]> What about defi is so sketchy?
19:19:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> The fact its unregulated and you want regulated businesses to associate with it
19:19:56 <plowsof11> all i did was deposit 3.5 million usd worth of tainted wrappedXbTC and kraken is all "kyc please or you be banned" wtf isthat all about ?? literally just buying monero gets you banned.. theyrescared about our power tbh
19:19:56 <blue_ocean767[m]> I thought everyone uses Uniswap and the like.
19:20:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not around here 
19:21:04 <blue_ocean767[m]> But I have been using other exchanges for years with no problem.  This is the first I've ran into an issue.
19:21:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Every few months the regulations get tighter 
19:21:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> The chain analytics get better
19:21:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> And youre little secret becomes more obvious 
19:21:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/youre/your/
19:22:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> The kraken CEO wrote a post about the regulatory pressure they face  
19:22:23 <blue_ocean767[m]> But I don't interact with shady apps.  I stick to more mainstream Dapps so I don't think that is the case.
19:22:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Uniswap = government regulated entity? 
19:22:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Does the government agree with your statement? 
19:23:18 <blue_ocean767[m]> So what they're just going to squeeze out all the defi users from CEXs?  That's like 2/3 of the community?
19:23:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> And does the government care at all about people who decide to exit the system?
19:23:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> blue_ocean767[m]: No, its like 1/10000th
19:23:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Literally over 50% of current eth was premined 
19:24:12 <blue_ocean767[m]> But lots of people self custody.
19:24:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its nfts and stocks and other bs
19:24:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not self custody of currency
19:24:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its trying to game the system 
19:24:42 <nioc> wut iz uniswap
19:24:48 <moneraut[m]> I dont think its defi bro. There are a lot of people hating defi but that not reason in your case just ignore it haha. all the exchanges are deep into themself as investment or as in governance. I think its related to you as a person and you should figure this out.
19:25:17 <plowsof11> CEXs bad, peer2peer good
19:25:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> P2peer monero good
19:25:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> P2p btc or eth = deathtrap
19:26:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> "I wonder where u can sell this dirty eth"
19:26:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not on a cex!
19:26:07 <blue_ocean767[m]> moneraut[m]: I'm trying.  I'll see what happens when I file taxes this year.  I was planning on using coinledger.  since they seem to be one of the better ones.
19:26:56 <nioc> if the irs wouldn't they have already made contact?
19:26:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> moneraut:  im not hating on defi as an idea. Current defi is literally a setup
19:27:12 <blue_ocean767[m]> blue_ocean767[m]: I think it's IRS related as best I can guess.  Not sure why it's just a couple accounts that get locked though.  And not all of them.
19:27:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> nioc:  nah, the IRS like to let you build up a debt, lie on your taxes, then come after you
19:27:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> blue_ocean767:  id chalk that up the the exchanges who are willing to take orders from the irs
19:28:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Coinbase acts proactively. They dont wait for orders.
19:28:11 <blue_ocean767[m]> nioc: I thought so too.  That's why I'm wondering if one of my wallets is compromised.
19:28:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kraken would likely need to be commanded to close your account 
19:28:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> blue_ocean767:  compromised = someone can just deposit some dirty dust into your wallet 
19:29:20 <moneraut[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Sure there is a lot true shit out there. Need to grow much more. I hope in the far future more way to interact between monero-bitcoin-ethereum between atomic swaps. 
19:29:20 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Iris would of sent 75,000 armed agents to you
19:29:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> But it could also be that you received bad coins to that wallet some time in the past, spent it, and they just noticed 
19:29:20 <blue_ocean767[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Wouldn't I be able to see that?
19:29:45 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Did you use tornadocash?
19:29:46 <moneraut[m]> blue_ocean767[m]: Yeah you have some tornadocash money
19:29:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Depends on if it was a casual drive by deposit, or if it was received in a trade 
19:30:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Likely what moneraut:  said
19:30:26 <blue_ocean767[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: No, I've never used Tornadocash.  But I have no way of knowing if all the ETH I've used is clean
19:30:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> You dont need to use tornadocash to have received sanctioned coins
19:30:52 <blue_ocean767[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Well, I'm screwed if that is the case.
19:31:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Exactly ^^ you, as a user, have no way of knowing
19:31:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Except for using a cex
19:31:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you use a cex that checks the coins, you can guarantee they are clean 
19:31:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Non fungible blockchains 🚮
19:31:37 <blue_ocean767[m]> I'll try opening new wallets, and selling and transferring everyone over.
19:31:37 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Start mining
19:31:48 <nioc> exchanges rate your crypto deposits, I haven't checked in a while as they were always highly rated 
19:31:53 <blue_ocean767[m]> My wallets have been getting old anyway.  Probably time for some fresh ones.
19:32:27 <moneraut[m]> blue_ocean767[m]: I dont know if this still works. But this is way to check if somehow an account have interacted with tornadocash: tornadoxxed.xyz
19:32:41 <blue_ocean767[m]> nioc: how do you see that?
19:32:46 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I’ve had a transaction stopped cause it was going through a swap service
19:33:01 <DanIsnotthemanBr> But they let it through, after please explain
19:33:20 <nioc> blue_ocean767[m]: for kraken I don't know as they don't want my business and I would never touch coinbase
19:34:17 <blue_ocean767[m]> nioc: What exchanges are good then?
19:35:09 <nioc> I am in New North Korea so there only limited offerings 
19:35:29 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Lol
19:36:11 <nioc> no montero
19:36:17 <nioc> directly
19:37:01 <blue_ocean767[m]> nioc: Honestly it's getting to feel that same way in the States.
19:37:35 <nioc> I am in one of them
19:38:24 <blue_ocean767[m]> nioc: Yep, we all part of the surveillance state.  It's the tie that binds us.
19:40:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^ comments like this get your accounts cancelled 
19:41:43 <blue_ocean767[m]> Yeah, probably why I'm facing grief.
19:42:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> I'd fight to get my accounts back.. just so I could close em
19:43:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Coinbase doesnt even have Monero. Losing coinbase is like losing a heroi... meth addiction
19:47:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Luv u fbi
19:47:48 <DanIsnotthemanBr> So they dont ban me
19:47:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> I keep applying for jobs but they wont hire me 😡
19:48:28 <blue_ocean767[m]> Hard to get them back when they ban you and don't tell you why.  I think one of my wallets is compromised.  That's the most likely explanation I can think of or I interacted with something dirty that flagged it. 
19:49:02 <blue_ocean767[m]> going to open new wallets and try to just wipe the slate clean
19:49:31 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Maybe clean coins with detergent
19:50:04 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Maybe use trocador condom feature
19:50:21 <DanIsnotthemanBr> * use trocador monero condom feature
20:08:14 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Is it weird that bitmain wanted too sponsor monerotopia
20:08:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> <DanIsnotthemanBr> "Maybe use trocador condom..." <- 😆 haha
20:10:27 <nioc> Blockchain surveillance companies produce many false positives
20:11:16 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Yeah they were talking about a case on monerotalk
20:11:45 <nioc> Guilty until proven innocent 
20:13:53 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Guilty by probability
20:13:57 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Maybe could be
20:14:19 <Siren[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "I keep applying for jobs but..." <-  apply for banks
20:14:19 <Siren[m]> >sabotage
20:14:48 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I posted an rba job position but you didnt take it serious
20:14:51 <DanIsnotthemanBr> :(