04:56:25 <CRYPTO[m]> Hi, im currently looking for official xmr pool software any help ?
05:08:55 <dsmlegend[m]> <ceetee[m]> "that's ... bad" <- ofrnxmr works hard to cultivate the appearance that he cares deeply about accurate and complete information, yet somehow neglected to mention some context. We already changed from 'fixed' to 'flat' fee on Rucknium's suggestion. Also added the onscreen disclaimer 'exact fee will vary depending on network congestion and other factors', which is a quote directly taken from getmonero. Additionally,
05:08:55 <dsmlegend[m]> there is a link in the description to a page explaining how fees are calculated.
05:08:55 <dsmlegend[m]> I'd be more than happy for you to join our discussion room if you'd like to pitch in suggestions/corrections for the next video(s) 🙂
05:51:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🫠 dont ping me without a reason, shitty ass writer 
05:52:29 <BusyBoredom[m]> Standalone AcceptXMR CCS proposal has been updated with the suggestion to slightly extend maintenance commitment and increase maintenance budget so that CCS donors have the opportunity to weigh in as a final consensus check: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/374
05:52:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Meeting in a few hours 
05:53:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> The frikken fee isnt flat, fixed, none of it. Its God damned dynamic
06:24:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> I wonder is monero is still free 🤔
06:24:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/is/if/
06:34:15 <DanIsnotthemanBr> never
06:34:39 <DanIsnotthemanBr> <ofrnxmr[m]> "The frikken fee isnt flat, fixed..." <- dynamic block size
06:35:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> > Free for business and inexpensive for customers
06:35:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> It is free
06:35:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> > Monero is popular among younger generations
06:35:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> There's a lie 
06:38:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> > Paypal: 2.6% + 30c; Visa/MasterCard: 1.5%-2.5%; AMEX: 2.5%-3.5%; Monero: <1c.
06:38:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wrong.
06:38:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero up to 5%
06:38:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or greater 
06:38:45 <ceetee[m]> how
06:39:13 <ceetee[m]> Monero is independent of tx value
06:39:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dollar store Sells 2000 small tx, thats how 
06:40:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> > Monero network can only charge a flat fee because the amount is confidential
06:40:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nonsense.
06:40:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just making stuff up it seems
06:41:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats how zcash works. Not Monero
06:41:31 <ceetee[m]> yes, but the fee is more like the 30ct PayPal has, only that it also depends on network factors
06:41:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> It depends on detwork factors, the number of inputs uses aka the size of the tx 
06:42:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> 10xmr using 1 output, vs 10xmr using 1000 outputs = same fee? Lmao
06:42:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Add some volume to the blockchain and apples dont even = apples 
06:43:29 <ceetee[m]> If I pay 1k with any of the other providers, I pay 15$ fees minimum; if I pay 10k I pay 150$ fees minimum. This linear relationship does not exist with Monero (maybe 3rd party gateway providers tbf)
06:43:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^ so why is it being referred to as a flat or fixed fee 😭😭😭
06:44:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its is better regerred to as a a "smart" fee. Its anything butt fixed, flat, linear, additive, etc
06:45:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> It changes based on many factors. Some physical (number of inputs ) some algorithmic (tx volume vs fee )
06:45:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> And right.
06:45:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> If a 3rd party has a flat or fixed fee, that is usually an exchange that said "fee to WD with 0.001xmr"
06:46:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/with/is/
06:46:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> ceetee[m]: Those other providers have flat and fixed fees 🥲. 2.5% is fixed.  30c is fixed.
06:46:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> 0.00003-0.02 is not 😅
06:48:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> .. as the median block size increases, those number change yet again. 
06:48:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero is not free for merchants either. Total snake oil
06:48:18 <ceetee[m]> it should be called "dynamic network fee", and on the voice track " for typical transactions 1-10ct, independent of the transaction value"
06:48:30 <ceetee[m]> or something like this
06:49:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> DSM would rather do everything to try to prove me wrong via cancellation, rather than just put the correct into 
06:50:38 <ceetee[m]> because, as I said earlier, consolidation transactions don't count in my calculations, because their high fee is split between many customers and its rare the at a single customer pays with dozends of inputs, especially for low value items, where the fee has a high relative share
06:51:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> The shop has to consolidate, yet the script lies and say thebshop pays no fees
06:51:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> If shop gets lore than 146 inputs a day, they need to transfer in batched of 146
06:51:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> This both takes time and money 
06:52:25 <ceetee[m]> the difficult part is to not turn an introductory video into a lecture, and all of your comments add technical correctly while sacrificing the compactness of this
06:52:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> The second half of what youbsaid - that cost ends up on the merchant
06:53:10 <ceetee[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: no reoccurring fees
06:53:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its an onboarding video series that starts off with a lot of misinformation and confusing statements 
06:53:18 <ceetee[m]> as in no monthly fee
06:53:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Consolidated 146tx = 100kb
06:53:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1/3 of a block 
06:54:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> If merchants actually adopt this shit and we'd need to delete the video
06:54:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> And change info to reflect that as merchants consolidating, they need to pay more 
06:54:44 <ceetee[m]> Who wrote the script?
06:54:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Consolidating = moving to cold storage
06:54:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> or splitting, moving from cold storage 
06:54:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> ceetee[m]: Dsmlegend
06:55:33 <monerooo[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Max tx size of 438 outputs?
06:56:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Max tx size 100kb
06:56:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> 146in/1out happens to ve that number
06:56:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> You can use Txextra to increase the size further 
06:56:38 <monerooo[m]> Ah okay
07:53:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://twitter.com/FlyingGiovanese/status/1634345101882187789
07:53:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lol @monero should tweet something like this 
07:53:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Agree? Disagree?
07:55:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> GF has a small amount of btc though. Im of the opinion that we should swap the btc into xmr 🤔
08:05:54 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Burn it
08:21:43 <dsmlegend[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "The shop has to consolidate, yet..." <- I guess we could've added "Merchants beware! While setting yourself up, receiving and storing XMR is free, you too will pay fees for sending. What's more, if you've received a high volume of transactions relative to traded value, consolidation costs could balloon into the hundreds of cents! It has to do with inputs and transaction data size and all very complicated things
08:21:43 <dsmlegend[m]> that would take some back and forth with a dev to really get a good understanding. This is all very important to know before you even consider using Monero."
08:23:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Maybe you should know how monero works before writing broken guides 
08:25:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> > It has to do with inputs and transaction data size and all very complicated things that would take some back and forth with a dev to really get a good understanding
08:25:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> So since im not smart enough to ELI5, ill just pull random bullshit out if my ass and hope nobody notices 
08:28:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Remember folks, "monero is free"
08:28:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not, "monero has low fees" etc. 
08:28:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not "monero is free to receive"
08:28:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> I wouldnt be surprised if you later contradict yourself and say "the sender pays the network fees" somewhere in one of your "tell me you dont know what youre talking about, without telling me" scripts  
08:30:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> This isnt grade school.
08:30:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> > U.S. Chamber of Commerce says it is the largest business association in the world. Businesses might listen to it.
08:38:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> At a quoted $1000/minute, dont try to tell me these are intended for lemonade stands
08:40:06 <plowsof11> the last sizeable donation in my recent memory to the btc fund was from this : https://twitter.com/unstoppableweb/status/1428418248521883651 0.08235820BTC (approx 4kusd at the time) but now its 1.6kusd. not done anything with them yet 🚀
08:41:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeahh, I dont think we should have exposure to btc 
08:41:17 <plowsof11> also meeting today at 16:00 UTC https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/804 , MoneroKon meeting too in #monero-events:monero.social @ 18:00UTC
08:41:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anonpay if people want to donate shitcoins or something 
08:42:39 <plowsof11> i remember suggesting that we should atomic swap them (i was young and foolish back then) wouldn't risk it 😅
08:43:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> And I want to make it damn clear.. remember when haveno wanted to hold Stablecoins?
08:43:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> So much for the peg rofl. Usdc lost its peg by over 12%
08:45:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ibwonder if monerkon fiat is safe is those banks
08:45:39 <Tor[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "GF has a small amount of btc..." <- Send it to me 
08:45:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> With withdrawals for monero closed at a lot of exchanged, can we even get the xmr back 😁
08:53:59 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Basic swap or burn it
08:56:35 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Or buy silvergate
11:05:27 <cockliuser[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "GF has a small amount of btc..." <- Oh general fund 😭
11:05:35 <cockliuser[m]> Confusing abbreviation...
11:06:16 <plowsof11> GF and GF2 
11:06:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> GF and bF
11:10:33 <DanIsnotthemanBr> GF=Get Fck
11:10:45 <DanIsnotthemanBr> * GF=Get Fckd
11:14:00 <dsc_> sir, this is a christian minecraft server
11:22:13 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Pay for my sins
11:22:16 <DanIsnotthemanBr> With xmr
11:22:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Damn. Too fast.
11:22:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Can I pay with btc?
11:25:21 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Xmr Condom it first
14:31:39 <ajs_[m]> monerokon planning meeting today @ 18:00 UTC in #monero-events:monero.social  https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/807
16:00:03 <plowsof11> Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/804 
16:00:15 <plowsof11> Greetings. hi
16:00:30 <Rucknium[m]> Hi
16:00:35 <BusyBoredom[m]> Hi
16:00:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Greetings
16:00:45 <gnuteardrops[m]> Hi.
16:00:57 <paradexical[m]> Hello!
16:01:48 <hinto[m]> hello
16:02:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Gnutesrdrops is the designer of our hard fork logo ♥️. Thank you and hello
16:02:58 <plowsof11> hi there, since the last meeting weve seen [v0.18.2.0 released](https://www.getmonero.org/2023/02/26/monero-0.18.2.0-released.html), and the [General Fund transparency report for March 2023](https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/11fslu9/monero_general_fund_transparency_report_march_2023/). Lets talk about some other community highlights!
16:03:29 <plowsof11> i see Rucknium released some research recently 
16:03:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> P2pool hard fork coming soon. 18.2.0 and p2pool 3.0+ are required!
16:04:28 <plowsof11> the latest Monero GUI + hintos GUPAX are ready and waiting 🚀 
16:04:52 <Rucknium[m]> Yes. 60 second faster transaction confirmations after pools changed their configurations on my suggestion: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/11nu4aj/monero_transaction_confirmations_are_now_60/
16:05:01 <plowsof11> earlier today i stumbled upon a reproducible windows installer for p2pool https://github.com/WeebDataHoarder/p2pool-nsis (from DataHoarder) - its 2 years old but ive not heard about it until now
16:05:27 <plowsof11> Thanks Rucknium and all those that contributed
16:05:34 <DataHoarder> produced it for a xmrvsbeast incentive
16:06:11 <plowsof11> nice work DataHoarder
16:06:37 <DataHoarder> send questions this way, but I haven't had time to add nicer things to it, works otherwise. it is a powershell script to plug things together, plus installer
16:06:56 <hinto[m]> Rucknium: i was wondering, are those diagrams directly produced from the code?
16:07:10 <Rucknium[m]> Yes
16:07:30 <plowsof11> i will test it out today DataHoarder
16:08:09 <Rucknium[m]> Here: https://github.com/Rucknium/misc-research/tree/main/Monero-TX-Confirm-Delay
16:08:09 <Rucknium[m]> I need to give it a readme and a license
16:08:27 <plowsof11> some mobile wallet news: [Cake Wallet 4.6.0 + monero.com update: Tor Only Mode & more](reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/11l8cie/updates_cake_wallet_460_and_monerocom_130_tor/) and MyNero re-brands to MySu + updates (pay-to-many) - https://mysu.dev/ (from pokst)
16:08:44 <Rucknium[m]> The Dec-Jan data is here: https://rucknium.me/data/ . I need to post the more recent data still
16:09:32 <plowsof11> fundraising alternatives: [XMRstarter](https://xmrstarter.com/) allowing free fundraising campaigns (free as in free beer)
16:09:55 <Rucknium[m]> hinto: If you say you want to reproduce the graphs, that gives me an incentive to create the README :)
16:10:35 <plowsof11> aand i hope we are all sitting down for this next highlights. Guarda wallet has fixed Monero support https://guarda.com/ 
16:10:48 <hinto[m]> do you have any experience with gnuplot? i have tons of data i'd like in graphs and was considering between that, R and python
16:11:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Protonwallet.org is a new wallet being promoted on r/darknet
16:11:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Id beware of it.
16:11:59 <Rucknium[m]> hinto: No experience with gnuplot. If you want pointers on R plots, I would be happy to give them
16:13:06 <plowsof11> a kind botnet has been solo mining for us also 
16:13:51 <plowsof11> solo miners update their block templates the quickest , thank you
16:14:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> There is also a very nice sponsor of ours..
16:14:22 <plowsof11> i wonder if this would have any effect on Ruckniums research , if they are indeed solo mining 
16:14:58 <Rucknium[m]> In the graphs, any solo miners would be included in the "other" category
16:15:02 <plowsof11> ah yes , thanks for reminding us ofrnxmr : a message from our sponsors Our sponsors Forked Networking have a great deal for purchasing many ip addresses https://www.forked.net/
16:15:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> They are using xmr 6.18 so...hop
16:15:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nope
16:15:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/xmr/xmrig/
16:15:18 <plowsof11> ah ok
16:15:49 <hinto[m]> Rucknium: i was leaning towards R after seeing how nice the charts were
16:16:26 <hinto[m]> C syntax is also familiar :D
16:16:30 <Rucknium[m]> It uses ggplot ("Grammar of Graphics"). I also use base R plot for some things
16:16:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> The Tldr on forked - there are 750+ Sybil node ips that were are from fork
16:17:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> About $1500 to purchase 256ips for a year
16:17:10 <Rucknium[m]> You can find other R plots on my blog posts: https://rucknium.me/
16:18:09 <plowsof11> seems like we can move onto the ccs merge list, mainly acceptxmr, unless we have some more things to talk about
16:18:17 <hinto[m]> i'll be copying your code if you don't mind
16:18:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just wanted to plug cake quickly 
16:18:50 <plowsof11> stackwallet has coin control for bch and ltc wut 
16:18:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cakes latest update has a new feature that forces exchanges and fiat api calls over onions 
16:19:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: Also has a new monero theme
16:19:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Alright. Acceptxmr
16:19:44 <plowsof11>   b. [Standalone AcceptXMR](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/374)    
16:19:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im ofrnxmr. Busyboredom, do you acceptxmr?
16:20:24 <BusyBoredom[m]> Yep, I acceptxmr
16:20:44 <plowsof11> has recently been changed to include an extended maintenance amount as per community feedback. reminder than merging this will officially close xmrsale / and fund acceptxmr with the remaining funds
16:20:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> What is the balance of xmrsale?
16:20:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Refresher
16:21:11 <plowsof11> 30 XMR abandoned 
16:21:16 <plowsof11> for 1 year 
16:21:18 <Rucknium[m]> hinto: Some animated graphs at the bottom :) https://rucknium.me/html/spent-output-age-btc-bch-ltc-doge.html .Interactive R charts (using plotly) Data is slightly wrong. "beta" is in the URL: https://beta.redteam.cash/
16:21:35 <Rucknium[m]> Sure you can copy the code
16:22:03 <plowsof11> so those funds are going to be re-purposed to fund something 'similar , but better' 
16:22:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> 30xmr from xmr sale is redistributed into
16:22:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> 14+10 milestones
16:22:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> 6 for maintenance
16:22:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> + 14xmr from community remainder of maintenance  
16:23:02 <BusyBoredom[m]> Yep exactly
16:23:05 <plowsof11> those htat have thumbed up the proposal already, does your opinion remain the same after the changes above? 
16:23:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Merge 
16:23:37 <plowsof11> any one have any questions? or would like to voice the vote on merging or not? 
16:23:44 <Rucknium[m]> My thumbs up stays
16:25:05 <plowsof11> i think luigi1111 should do the needful 
16:25:55 <hinto[m]> +1 merge
16:25:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> (The footnote is that busy said they need to finish 0.12 or something first), so ccs milestone 1 depends on that as well👍
16:26:24 <plowsof11> the more unpaid work the better, love to see it 
16:26:31 <plowsof11> xD
16:27:35 <plowsof11> anyone just seeing this for the first time is more than welcome to voice their vote but i think we can move on , should be merged 
16:27:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Let it go to funding 
16:28:00 <plowsof11> c. [Computational work for OSPEAD parameterization](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/375)     
16:28:34 <plowsof11> Rucknium: there was a test, and you where happy with it (even though it looks like isthmus was the one who completed the test? from the commits)
16:29:02 <plowsof11> we are waiting for isthmus to make a final response 
16:29:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mj claims to be in competition still lol?
16:29:08 <Rucknium[m]> See isthmus's latest comment. We've gotten into detailed discussions. E.g. which specific lines of R code need to be converted in C++ and what would be required to do it. 
16:29:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> > My case is still open, mainly due to the fact, that there was no deadline for organizing the funds. I'm still waiting for @sgp 's reply to our official letter from the 23st January, so almost a month now, before I'm forced to go all in with external help.
16:30:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> > I’ll update the proposal accordingly and add another comment. (I’ll also circle back and answer the questions from above comments)
16:30:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is this the latest comment?
16:30:15 <Rucknium[m]> plowsof: The R test workflow package was uploaded as one commit. For example, I wrote the skeleton of the package, but the commits don't indicate that.
16:30:19 <plowsof11> so its progressing along nicely , thank you for providing a test for them to complete 
16:30:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sounds good. Im ok with waiting.
16:32:02 <plowsof11> yep not much to say 
16:32:04 <Rucknium[m]> The C++ that Geometry Labs wrote is in the /src/ directory in the repo. Tests are in /tests/
16:32:06 <Rucknium[m]> The README is descriptive
16:32:17 <plowsof11> just hope that isthmus is more active 
16:33:13 <plowsof11> the research appears to be fundamental to the monero project, would you agree Rucknium? 
16:35:02 <Rucknium[m]> A good decoy selection algorithm is critical for protecting Monero user privacy. I have quotes from several sources saying so in the introduction of https://github.com/Rucknium/OSPEAD/blob/main/OSPEAD-Fully-Specified-Estimation-Plan-PUBLIC.pdf
16:35:03 <Rucknium[m]> I would agree that's it's fundamental to the Monero Project.
16:35:32 <plowsof11> thank you 
16:36:11 <plowsof11> thanks for being here (on behalf of isthmus lol) 
16:37:25 <plowsof11> ok lets move on
16:37:33 <plowsof11>   d. [dangerousfreedom - wallet development 2](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/377)   
16:37:47 <plowsof11> is new / awaiting mrl / -dev feedback
16:37:51 <Rucknium[m]> The importance of this has been recognized as early as January 2015 (see the PDF above). This is the first feasible procedure to directly estimate the real spend distribution (and therefore get a good mimicking decoy selection algorithm) with fully anonymized Monero transaction data.
16:38:09 <plowsof11> ah sorry, thanks^
16:38:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> One question I have, is this possible to run on more recent data? 
16:39:24 <Rucknium[m]> ofrnxmr: Me? Yes. It will be run on the most recent data possible. I know the proposal says up to Oct 2022, but that was assuming a particular timeline of events/review pace, etc
16:40:12 <Rucknium[m]> The "dry run" in my OSPEAD repo on GitHub is on old data because it is a dry run.
16:40:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oh, perfect.
16:42:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not sure what to make of dangerousfreedoms ccs - is this dev or dev/research?
16:43:19 <plowsof11> reg the dangerous freedom proposal - theyve had a performance review from koe of the previous ones, and ive left a 'not so positive' comment (from a none-technical / logistics stand point 
16:43:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Too bad koe isnt in here. vtnerd:  
16:44:11 <Rucknium[m]> It looks like there has been disagreement between koe and dangerousfreedom on specific things. That's pretty normal. I hope they are communicating as they go on. koe is not dangerousfreedom's boss. But they have to find a way to work together.
16:44:48 <dangerousfreedom> It would be good if koe could better clarify his points as I didnt understand either.
16:45:23 <dangerousfreedom> ofrnxmr[m]: My work would be restricted to the wallet development
16:45:26 <Rucknium[m]> What I mean is that whatever their disagreements, dangerousfreedom and koe shouldn't go down paths without communicating and then have to throw away work.
16:45:37 <dangerousfreedom> There is not much research now
16:45:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^ thats my worry
16:45:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> (@ruck)
16:45:48 <plowsof11> i will make sure to ask for some more feedback at the next "no wallet left behind meeting"
16:45:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monday?
16:46:28 <plowsof11> yep, Monday, 2023-03-13, 18:00 UTC
16:46:36 <plowsof11> in #no-wallet-left-behind:monero.social 
16:47:00 <Rucknium[m]> NoWalletLeftBehind meetings should be resolving issues. That's what they are there for. if DF cannot attend them due to scheduling conflicts, then maybe the time should be moved.
16:48:05 <selsta> I think the problem was with the wallet dev side of things, this was produced from over 300h funded work: https://github.com/UkoeHB/monero/compare/seraphis_lib...DangerousFreedom1984:seraphis_lib:prototype_wall3_d1?expand=1
16:48:24 <selsta> there were good things (jamtis-checksum related code) but a lot of the wallet3 code was simply copied from wallet2, this is the wrong approach
16:49:21 <plowsof11> reg scheduling , i wasn't aware (ive seen many updates from Df during meetings)
16:49:30 <dangerousfreedom> Not really. I spent much more hours in the knowledge proofs than the wallet development
16:49:42 <Rucknium[m]> Something is not working in the NoWalletLeftBehind meetings if the overall approach isn't being decided there
16:49:59 <dangerousfreedom> I thought it would be easier but it wont in the end
16:50:00 <selsta> dangerousfreedom: according to your ccs you spent 100xmr on wallet dev work, out of 120
16:50:01 <dangerousfreedom> It was 3/5 knowledge proofs and 2/5 wallet
16:50:10 <selsta> that's how I came to the hours
16:50:30 <dangerousfreedom> Yes. That was what was planned but that was not what happened
16:50:38 <plowsof11> the meetings decide purse / wallet / enote / output - if you have an active ccs you need to communicate with the creator / developer of seraphis for how you can help them
16:50:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rucknium[m]: The group is named "no wallet left behind" but its somehow ..hijacked.. development of everything seraphis
16:51:35 <dangerousfreedom> I thought it would be easier in the beginning but in the end was not. But the result was a better framework than what we have currently.
16:52:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think some of these seraphis conversations should move to -dev, am I wrong for thinking that way?
16:54:14 <plowsof11> is there a scheduling issue?
16:56:28 <plowsof11> its a new idea and needs discussion, thank you for those who have shared input so far 
16:56:59 <plowsof11> we also have   e. [escapethe3RA Monero Observer maintenance (Spring 2023)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/378)    
16:57:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> 3 months flies!
16:57:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> (Only 1 month in plowsof time)
16:58:01 <gnuteardrops[m]> +1
16:58:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oi, I want plowsof to close out his ccs asap. Been 6(?) Months
16:58:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> +1 to observer 
16:58:29 <plowsof11> ive just placed a thumbs up on observer +1
16:58:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Merge it. Lots of events coming up
16:59:06 <Rucknium[m]> +1 observer
16:59:44 <Rucknium[m]> I have one small item from MAGIC
16:59:52 <hinto[m]> plowsof was merged: Oct 6th, 2022
17:00:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> 5 months 👀
17:00:56 <hinto[m]> should be closed and opened again
17:00:59 <Rucknium[m]> Someone submitted a proposal to Magic for about 2,500 USD equivalent to integrate Monero into this + 12 months of maintenance. We wanted to get community feedback on it. They have built a draft for Zcash (maybe other coins too): https://app.alphaday.com/b/e7267b7268d4da17bcc146cf9efb05d4
17:01:14 <hinto[m]> and compensated for overtime
17:01:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> hinto[m]: Do we have to do it for him?
17:01:37 <Rucknium[m]> I guess it would be a more polished https://themonero.dance/
17:01:51 <hinto[m]> all up to plowsof himself
17:02:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> : luigi1111w: luigi1111:  do the thing
17:02:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Observer
17:02:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Acceptxmr
17:02:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Close out plowsof  
17:03:21 <gnuteardrops[m]> If any community project needs me let me know.
17:04:21 <plowsof11> this meeting shall conclude my 3 months of ccs coordination 🥹 its been a journey. mistakes where made and lessons have been learned (threat of legal action only twice). thank you to everyone who has helped me / had positive things to say. overall my goal has been to leave a positive impact on this community and 'help'. hopefully i  can continue to do the same moving forward. this was the first ccs / strange role kind of, so i
17:04:21 <plowsof11> assume there will be changes made / areas where i should focus on more / improve on etc.
17:04:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> gnuteardrops: yes we do
17:05:13 <blankpage[m]> gnuteardrops there is some debate about Monerokon graphics in #monero-events:monero.social 
17:05:31 <escapethe3ra[m]> good job plowsof
17:06:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> blankpage[m]: And a meeting there in 1hr to settle it
17:06:10 <hinto[m]> Rucknium: seems strange that payment is needed for integration
17:06:41 <hinto[m]> wouldn't it behoove a "crypto" dashboard site like this to include everything they can?
17:06:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> I like monerobull's / izamenace graphana 
17:06:55 <blankpage[m]> Rucknium I'm not 100% clear on the remit of MAGIC but paying for integration into a dashboard doesn't seem like critical work for the monero project
17:07:40 <Rucknium[m]> It's not critical, but it's pretty cheap. MAGIC has funded only two things in the past year.
17:07:51 <monerobull[m]> What 
17:07:52 <monerobull[m]> Is there a meeting today 
17:07:55 <monerobull[m]> I thought there was one last week
17:07:56 <Rucknium[m]> If you don't want it, that feedback will go back to the committee
17:08:17 <blankpage[m]> Congrats plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org you've excelled in the role
17:08:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> <monerobull[m]> "Screenshot 2022-08-17 133004.png" <- ^
17:08:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Re dashboard 
17:08:49 <plowsof11> i have almost resolved ONE issue, its a great day 
17:09:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Damn, we missed out on the juicy issues today.
17:09:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think those animated videos should be halted / cancelled or otherwise 
17:09:43 <plowsof11> thanks blankpage 
17:10:11 <dani-g5x[m]1> What version of Monero gui should I use?
17:10:20 <hinto[m]> ah i've caught up with the animated video discussion
17:10:24 <plowsof11> we ran over time, but yes, there are at least several people unhappy with the animated videos ccs
17:10:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> dani-g5x[m]1: V0.18.2.0
17:10:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Download from getmonero.org
17:10:37 <hinto[m]> to be honest i'm a little disappointed 
17:10:39 <blankpage[m]> The eyeball meatball was a raging red flag 
17:11:00 <dani-g5x[m]1> ofrnxmr[m]: Great, that's what I use (self compiled in Gentoo obviously  :D)
17:11:05 <plowsof11> after nearly many months ^ 
17:11:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> hinto[m]: Quality quoted at 1k/hr. A year later we get an eye in a cage
17:11:16 <plowsof11> nearly/many? was it almost a year
17:11:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Now stumbling through scripts and AI voices 
17:11:27 <plowsof11> 1k/minute 
17:11:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Correction ^^ 
17:11:51 <plowsof11> 1k/hour? slave labour??
17:12:48 <hinto[m]> i (maybe unfairly) expected videos similar to the previous ones
17:13:16 <plowsof11> thanks for sharing your feelings hinto, you and i where very positive about this ccs in the beginning (judging by the comment left on it)
17:13:16 <hinto[m]> on the other hand, withholding payment seems harsh
17:13:41 <dani-g5x[m]1> dani-g5x[m]1: Nobody care
17:14:03 <blankpage[m]> Idk whether people agree but I genuinely like the old simple animations on getmonero. The 3D backgrounds are noisy
17:14:05 <plowsof11> dani-g5x , thank you for stuggling with our terrible docs to self compile on gentoo 
17:14:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not talking about withholding payment 🙏 hinto @hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org: 
17:14:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> I would like to pay them in full for video 1 and stop before they go make even more of this
17:14:50 <dani-g5x[m]1> plowsof11: It was just adding the overlay, ```emerge monero-gui```
17:14:57 <blankpage[m]> Seems fair
17:14:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or, they need to finish video 1 acceptable before moving in to video 2 milestone 
17:15:38 <plowsof11> dani-g5x if anything is missing (emerge monero-gui?) to allow self compiling an issue / or pull request on github would be appreciated 
17:16:44 <dani-g5x[m]1> plowsof11: What do you mean by "anything is missing"? Portage (Gentoo's package manager) solves the dependencies and set the compiler flags for me.
17:17:01 <plowsof11> ah no worries then 👍️
17:17:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> dani-g5x:  all is working well?
17:18:08 <dani-g5x[m]1> ofrnxmr[m]: Guess so, alao the monero package was installed and I have an openrc service for monerod, I don't have that enabled as default should I?
17:18:32 <dani-g5x[m]1> But yeah the GUI wallet works good
17:18:44 <plowsof11> reg animated videos: lets be honest - if they where to re-apply for funding (after being paid for video 1) how would their ccs go?
17:18:57 <plowsof11> merged? 
17:19:51 <hinto[m]> i think the updated animation is good but yes the timescale has been pretty stretched
17:20:09 <hinto[m]> original estimation was 1 video per month and its been 11 months since merge
17:20:23 <plowsof11> the compromise for video 1, which ive asked for , is to release the raw files. (without subtitles / audio) just the animations 
17:20:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> And they are either rushed or they are incapable of writing scripts or voicing them 
17:20:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rushing*
17:21:24 <Lovera[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Or, they need to finish video..." <- +1
17:21:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lovera @btclovera:matrix.org:  that being said, its been 11 months
17:22:29 <plowsof11> before making the proposal, savandra (living in ukraine) was not aware of what was to happen. so this + energy cuts has played a role in their performance (lack of)
17:22:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> I understand.  But after 11 months the eye video?
17:23:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> And dsm writes scripts from Ukraine?
17:23:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> 11 months and couldnt find a voice actor in a country that isnt at war?
17:23:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or close the ccs and say "busy. At war. Ill be back later"
17:23:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> And then come back with the eye video? Loo
17:23:56 <plowsof11> after threat of ccs closure - they produced video 1 and started doing leg work , obtaining feedback for script 1 
17:24:06 <plowsof11> (hiring outside help)
17:24:21 <hinto[m]> i'm ok with letting this ccs extend indefinitely, as long as they can finish and get paid
17:24:34 <Lovera[m]> plowsof11: This is understandable. We could then simply pause everything and continue later. So everything is clear
17:24:37 <plowsof11> at this point im not sure who is doing the animations. i know some guy on reddit gave them an ai voice over (which they are trying to pass off as being human)
17:24:37 <Siren[m]> I like how the video looks currently. I think you guys should cut them some slack.
17:25:00 <dani-g5x[m]1> I have another question: these are the ebuild where I donwloaded monero and monero-gui: https://bpa.st/2TWTO https://bpa.st/43WPA do you guys think they don't have anything sus in there
17:25:23 <monerobull[m]> Siren[m]: This is 630$ per minute 
17:25:33 <monerobull[m]> Or a little less now
17:25:36 <Lovera[m]> Siren[m]: The video looks good. I think so too. But I think there are some mistakes. Errors that shouldn't be there for the price demanded no?
17:25:51 <Siren[m]> There shouldn't be any errors
17:25:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> The quoted price is higher than a professional studio 
17:26:08 <Siren[m]> I don't think you should close it but 630$ per minute is way too much
17:26:10 <dani-g5x[m]1> dani-g5x[m]1: plowsof: 
17:26:18 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: You shouldn't have offered that in the first place
17:26:31 <Siren[m]> What is this Pixar?
17:26:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> dani-g5x:  come over to #monero-support:monero.social  or #monero:monero.social 
17:26:38 <plowsof11> dani-g5x: are you seriously that impatient, i seen the message
17:26:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Siren[m]: They asked for 1000/min
17:27:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Got merged a year ago in scamming times
17:27:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> The ccs has 100+ donations (seemingly fake microdonations to pump the number) 
17:27:51 <dani-g5x[m]1> plowsof11: Sorry
17:27:52 <dani-g5x[m]1> ofrnxmr[m]: Oh 👍
17:27:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> I can tell you I didnt vote for it and never would have voted for such a ridiculous ccs
17:28:29 <Siren[m]> Bruh next time you're approving CCS proposals for media consider checking how much other people are offering
17:28:30 <Siren[m]> That is indeed insane 
17:28:46 <monerobull[m]> Axe it
17:28:56 <monerobull[m]> No more scam videos
17:29:09 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: Go employ CCS treasurer lmao
17:29:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> It was opened in questionable faith, and the quality of the product does not match what was even closed to expencted 
17:29:24 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: Plowsof coordinates and this person should evaluate the price
17:29:30 <monerobull[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: 🪓
17:29:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> As this ccs is literally pieces, I want to pay them for video 1, and not continue the relationship 
17:29:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> CCS proposers are free to quit, we should be free to fire them 
17:30:03 <monerobull[m]> Yes
17:30:05 <monerobull[m]> Axe
17:30:14 <monerobull[m]> Pay the first one
17:30:17 <monerobull[m]> Them 🪓
17:30:21 <plowsof11> Siren this is a great point, at no point did i think 'hey, lets obtain a quote from elsewhere' - i based my opinions off the previous work, fun/cool/informative 2d videos that big youtubers had used and lazily thought 'yes' 
17:30:24 <monerobull[m]> * Then 🪓
17:32:14 <plowsof11> e.g. bulletproofs++ peer review, multiple companies where contacted and prices/time frames where obtained / compared 
17:32:14 <monerobull[m]> Because we don't make marketing videos
17:32:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://www.wired.co.uk/article/corporate-memphis-design-tech
17:32:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> The first one was cookie cutter shit anyway
17:32:41 <plowsof11> i wasnt a ccs coordinator back then also so pls forgiv
17:32:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> And "block reward is 0.3xmr" in the first ones lol
17:32:52 <monerobull[m]> Plowsof don't worry 
17:32:55 <monerobull[m]> We got scammed 
17:33:21 <monerobull[m]> There is no discussion to be had here
17:33:33 <monerobull[m]> Pay the first video out, cancel the rest
17:34:34 <Mister[m]> What is the problem guys? Not following the discussion really but I'm open to finish/create any video/promotional work for free
17:34:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero-events:monero.social 
17:34:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> There will be a bounty of 3500 given away there in the next 25 minutes or so
17:35:02 <Siren[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: ??
17:35:10 <luigi1112> merge some things?
17:35:12 <Siren[m]> What in the hell
17:35:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mister:  for logos, artwork etc
17:35:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> luigi1112: Yes sirrrrr
17:35:30 <Lovera[m]> I’m not sure we can cancel after funding… Maybe we can pause it waiting properly video
17:35:38 <monerobull[m]> Lovera[m]: Of course we can 
17:35:41 <plowsof11> Mister context: Animated video series [Video one Final?](https://www.yewtu.be/watch?v=XJ6p-7GTMdo)
17:36:14 <Siren[m]> We can ask them to send project files, HQ render as well of the video
17:36:15 <plowsof11> thats my real voice 
17:36:15 <luigi1112> 374
17:36:18 <luigi1112> 378?
17:36:18 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: And close it
17:36:43 <Siren[m]> Siren[m]: Someone else can work with those
17:36:44 <plowsof11> merge... 
17:36:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> And 378
17:37:05 <plowsof11> ye 374
17:37:35 <plowsof11> and 378 is observer yep 
17:37:42 <hinto[m]> +1 for 374 & 378
17:37:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> And then plowsof will close out his CCS, please make sure he does so before he goes home tonight. Thanks luigi1112: 
17:38:09 <Mister[m]> plowsof11: The animation looks good in my opinion but also very corporate instead of educative. Anyways, what is the problem? Is the animator not continuing?
17:38:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> After merging 374, you can move xmrsale's 30xmr directly to 374 (leaving a balance of 14 to raise)
17:38:33 <monerobull[m]> Compare it to the videos on getmonero
17:38:41 <monerobull[m]> Mister[m]: This is way worse
17:38:45 <plowsof11> the animator/script writer are wanting to continue as normal*
17:38:54 <monerobull[m]> And they tried to sell their ai voiced video like it was spoken by a human
17:39:02 <luigi1112> done, done. Good work team.
17:39:27 <Mister[m]> monerobull[m]: Yeah that is basically a scam then
17:39:35 <plowsof11> thanks luigi1112 
17:39:37 <Lovera[m]> And where is this people? We need that they will here to discvuse this things
17:39:40 <plowsof11> n1oc sir?
17:39:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its obviously a scam, quoted 1k/minute? Lolz
17:40:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lovera[m]: dsmlegend:  savandra: 
17:40:31 <hinto[m]> plowsof: i have to leave, finish meeting soon?
17:40:44 <Lovera[m]> Close it.., moving forward
17:40:57 <plowsof11> ah yes meeting over , sorry hinto, thank you all for attending
17:40:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> <dsmlegend[m]> "I guess we could've added "..." <- ^
17:41:16 <plowsof11> you're not allowed to leave though because theres a monerokon meeting in 20 mins
17:41:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> > <@dsmlegend:matrix.org> ofrnxmr works hard to cultivate the appearance that he cares deeply about accurate and complete information, yet somehow neglected to mention some context. We already changed from 'fixed' to 'flat' fee on Rucknium's suggestion. Also added the onscreen disclaimer 'exact fee will vary depending on network congestion and other factors', which is a quote directly taken from getmonero. Additionally, there is a
17:41:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> link in the description to a page explaining how fees are calculated.
17:41:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> > I'd be more than happy for you to join our discussion room if you'd like to pitch in suggestions/corrections for the next video(s) 🙂
17:41:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^
17:41:45 <luigi1112> plowsof11 nice try, you're not allowed to leave regardless
17:41:54 <Mister[m]> monerobull[m]: The animation looks like some sort of Blender template by the way
17:41:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> He's not going anywhere, dont worry
17:42:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mister[m]: Because it is
17:42:41 <Lovera[m]> Nobody ask, but my February report is in gitlab and Reddit
17:42:42 <monerobull[m]> Mister[m]: They also outsourced it...
17:42:43 <Lovera[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/11l691p/ccs_lovera_february_monthly_report/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
17:43:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Do you do tiktok lives etc?
17:43:34 <n1oc> escapethe3RA Monero Observer maintenance (Spring 2023) has moved to funding! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/escapethe3ra-monero-observer-maintenance-spring-2023.html
17:43:51 <monerobull[m]> Fund
17:44:02 <n1oc> Standalone AcceptXMR has moved to funding! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/busyboredom-standalone-acceptxmr.html
17:44:08 <Lovera[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: TikTok live no… but I can 😎 live are important to grow the community 
17:44:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Live's, ive noticed, get a lot of real people asking real questions 
17:44:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> One thing we fuck up on moneromeet - YouTube commenters.  We never reply lolllol
17:45:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> We should be reading the comments and answering people 
17:45:13 <plowsof11> BusyBoredom: thank you GLHF. escapethe3ra heres to another 3 months of monero.observer, cheers!
17:45:43 <monerobull[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I try
17:45:53 <plowsof11> Lovera - you are actually doing what you promised in your ccs, thank you 
17:46:00 <monerobull[m]> But they were having a conversation in the chat lol
17:46:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> I always forget 😂😂. I saw someone get mad one time "why tf are they live if they wont answer me!"
17:46:44 <plowsof11> MR Justin answer me 😠 
17:47:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im going to **** sgp wife *******
17:47:09 <plowsof11> is cake pay available in mongolia and why are you ignoring my ledger question
17:47:24 <Lovera[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Jaja 
17:47:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> I need android GUI 😡😡
17:47:42 <sgp[m]> plowsof11: What am I needed for now
17:47:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hahahaha 
17:48:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> (For those who just tuned in - its a long running, traumatizing experience. You had to be there)
17:52:53 <sgp[m]> <plowsof11> "is cake pay available in..." <- lol mongolia
17:53:09 <selenze[m]> https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=XJ6p-7GTMdo what a shit !
17:53:53 <monerobull[m]> sgp[m]: Gib DHL, deutsche Post and Mc Donalds Thanks
17:54:35 <sgp[m]> I disabled cards of a well-known brand that starts with V this weekend as a test, to see if people prefer cards of another well-known brand that starts with M
17:55:28 <sgp[m]> Since the M cards seem to have much higher acceptance, including mobile wallets for the USA/CAD cards
17:55:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Will it one day be possible to use cakepay web via the mobile app one day? Ie, via api etc 
17:56:18 <sgp[m]> The end goal is to basically make the website obsolete yeah
17:56:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Good to hear. I wasnt sure if they would always be separated
17:59:29 <blankpage[m]> sgp do you mean that virtual mobile debit cards can be bought in cake? That work with NFC/contactless?
18:00:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Prepaid credit *
18:00:05 <sgp[m]> blankpage[m]: Can add to Apple/Google/Samsung Pay, etc. Works for USD/CAD cards, if you have a +1 phone number
18:00:17 <revuoxmr> Revuo Monero. Issue 162: March 4 - 11, 2023. http://revuo-xmr.com/issue-162.html
18:00:54 <sgp[m]> We're working on allowing email verification instead which will simplify the process much more
18:00:54 <blankpage[m]> Holy moly that is a game changer. I hope you can get working with European currencies and there is not some dumb regulation which prevents this.
18:01:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero-events:monero.social  meeting
18:02:33 <sgp[m]> blankpage[m]: My understanding (please test this with a small value card) is that you can buy a USA, USD card, add to mobile wallet with +1 phone number, and spend in other countries as well actually, not just USA. But we don't promise that; you'll have to be a guinea pig 🐷
18:02:46 <sgp[m]> 2% FTF for USD -> EUR, etc though, heads up there
18:05:47 <blankpage[m]> Wow. I would first need to get my hands on a phone where I can isolate google pay but I will certainly look into this (all present phones are google-free)
18:05:48 <blankpage[m]> Google services-free
18:06:32 <sgp[m]> blankpage[m]: I'll get you a free $5 card, send me a DM when you do
18:07:20 <Lovera[m]> sgp[m]: So I need to pick USA country and buy Mastercard… I will try it now 
18:07:57 <sgp[m]> Lovera[m]: To add to mobile wallet, you need to have and verify a +1 number with incoming SMS
18:08:09 <Lovera[m]> sgp[m]: Ok 👌🏼 
18:08:55 <ceetee[m]> <monerobull[m]> "Gib DHL, deutsche Post and Mc..." <- sgp:  +1 for shipping services in general. Very important for small sellers dealing in monero
18:09:52 <sgp[m]> ceetee[m]: Okay, I'll pass that feedback along
18:32:46 <Lovera[m]> <sgp[m]> "To add to mobile wallet, you..." <- This number should be USA? 
18:33:20 <sgp[m]> Lovera[m]: I know it worked for my USA number, but it is *supposed* to work for other +1 numbers also
18:55:18 <Lovera[m]> <sgp[m]> "I know it worked for my USA..." <- It is successfully added to Apple Pay, unlike the previous times. However the message does not arrive. I don't know if it is due to the format as I have put it... or something else… Therefore I can't activate it. Will try again later 
18:56:47 <sgp[m]> Lovera[m]: What country code number did you use?
18:56:53 <sgp[m]> s/code//
19:05:11 <Lovera[m]> <sgp[m]> "What country code number did you..." <- Spain 
19:05:47 <Lovera[m]> Wil dm you
19:12:16 <sgp[m]> ok
19:12:35 <sgp[m]> Spain won't work since +34 isn't +1
19:12:42 <sgp[m]> card works, but not for mobile pay now
19:14:40 <blankpage[m]> Is the data in the text sensitive? Could someone use the activation code to take the fund? Basically, would it be inappropriate to use a one time text forwarding service?
19:26:17 <sgp[m]> <blankpage[m]> "Is the data in the text sensitiv..." <- Arguably verification codes should always be treated as sensitive
19:53:30 <Stnby[m]> Hey guys, regarding the earlier conversation few weeks ago. About the monero all over the sail of a sailing boat, do you think it would be feasible? My dad is also interested in this :D
19:55:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> How often do ya sail? competitve ? 
20:11:51 <Stnby[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "How often do ya sail? competitve..." <- Whole summer
20:12:12 <Stnby[m]> Would be far more competitive with new sails
20:12:23 <Stnby[m]> Also good ad for entire lithuania
20:13:34 <Stnby[m]> As Lithuania has only 1 port and we always hang around
20:13:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> How much does a sail run?
20:14:06 <plowsof11> A sail requires maintenance? 
20:14:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or sail(s)? Any shots of the current one?
20:14:56 <plowsof11> Can you hold me like decaprio held her in the titanic movie 
20:15:14 <plowsof11> A great photo op
20:16:08 <Stnby[m]> Obviously there are at least 5-7 regattas a year
20:17:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Cost*
20:17:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Of course a custom one would be more
20:20:22 <plowsof11> Are there photos of any previous races?
20:21:14 <Stnby[m]> plowsof11: Yeah, I sent a movie before
20:21:18 <plowsof11> Rules about sponsors on sails?
20:21:55 <Stnby[m]> We have around 10 local regattas a season
20:22:08 <Stnby[m]> plowsof11: Rules regarding what?
20:22:52 <Stnby[m]> * a season (season here is half a year)
20:22:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stnby[m]: Where
20:23:38 <plowsof11> Maybe there is a rule that says no logos/sponsors on sails unless approved by? (Just checking)
20:24:00 <Stnby[m]> plowsof11: Nope there arent
20:24:05 <Stnby[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: https://youtu.be/jun-pkg4sgI
20:24:27 <Stnby[m]> I am also in the movie but up to you to figure out where :D
20:26:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Can you fly a flag?
20:26:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yep
20:26:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> I like it
20:27:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> But the sail has to say M O N E R O along the edge (with some sort of logo), and you have to fly a black monero flag
20:28:10 <Stnby[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Cant really fly a flag
20:28:18 <Stnby[m]> Illegal anywhere in europe at leat
20:28:38 <Stnby[m]> The flag you fly is Your country of registration in the back
20:28:48 <Stnby[m]> And country youre in on the side
20:28:54 <Stnby[m]> s/youre/you're/
20:29:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stnby[m]: They had flags on those 
20:29:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Small ones anyway 
20:29:28 <Stnby[m]> Those I guess are fine lol
20:29:55 <Stnby[m]> I mean we are OK with even having a paint job on the boat itself
20:30:03 <Stnby[m]> But that would cost a little bit
20:32:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Regaeding footage like this, you think they'd agree to make under an open license?
20:34:59 <Stnby[m]> I have no idea, thats some hobbyist from the club making tjis
20:35:04 <Stnby[m]> s/tjis/this/
20:35:21 <Stnby[m]> If you want to sponsor club itself you need to contact minija.com
20:36:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stnby[m]: Even better 
20:36:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Will they with you? Haha
20:36:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Share*
20:37:56 <Stnby[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Old people, we get a long but we are not members of the club
20:38:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anyway, nice footage like that is imo, important 
20:39:19 <Stnby[m]> What I could 100% do is order sails from Poland with any amount of monero artwork on it as possible
20:39:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont want an M coin, a bitcoin name drop, and a shoutout in the credits 💢
20:39:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stnby[m]: I want her to look good, pretty and professional 
20:39:47 <Stnby[m]> Could do bot Main + gennaker or just Main as thats the one that is worn out A LOT
20:39:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> So other people ask "where did tiu get that?!?!"
20:39:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> And then you can sell monero sails
20:40:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> For monero, of course 
20:42:54 <Stnby[m]> Lol
20:43:02 <Stnby[m]> Everyone in Lithuania buys sails from Poland btw
20:43:17 <Stnby[m]> We dont have any local sail makers here
20:45:47 <Siren[m]> <Stnby[m]> "Hey guys, regarding the earlier..." <- Is your dad ok with accepting donations in Monero?
21:37:18 <Stnby[m]> As long as we can convert it to EUR. So +taxes
21:55:01 <Siren[m]> <Stnby[m]> "As long as we can convert it..." <- Does CCS payout in fiat?
21:56:37 <plowsof11> XMR only, stnbys dad just told me he is fine with accepting xmr 
22:17:11 <plowsof11> unless fundamental to the Monero project* (code audits / peer reviews where a third party will handle the conversions on behalf of the proposer)
22:34:09 <Stnby[m]> <plowsof11> "XMR only, stnbys dad just told..." <- As long as its sail fee + conversion and taxes
22:35:14 <plowsof11> you price that in and dont mention it 
22:36:05 <Stnby[m]> Yeah, so you think it sound legit :D
22:36:20 <Stnby[m]> i can obviously post some pictures of my boat
22:36:44 <Stnby[m]> Its just what community wants, 1 sail,   2 sails, paint job?
22:36:45 <Siren[m]> Well you guys can also sponsor a whole water club based in Lithuania, meaning you can get them to rent the sauna for XMR!
22:37:02 <Stnby[m]> Cheapest, more expensive, even more expensive
22:38:00 <Siren[m]> * Well you guys can also sponsor a whole water club based in Lithuania, meaning you can get them to offer renting the sauna for XMR!
22:38:45 <Siren[m]> Stnby[m]: I think I already posted pics of us racing
22:45:40 <plowsof11> and we're paying geonic to make the film of one of your races? where the monero sail will be featured in some of the clips 
22:46:01 <DanIsnotthemanBr> mention only
22:46:07 <DanIsnotthemanBr> once
22:46:10 <DanIsnotthemanBr> in passing
22:47:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> No mention necessary 
22:47:36 <plowsof11> sponsor a monero sail , to compete in a race, which will be included in a film like "X regata "Marių burės" 2020" 
22:47:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just a quick 1 seconds shot of the boat in the background 
22:48:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: Submit the film to every festival in the area
22:48:26 <plowsof11> the boat has a story behind it btw, built from ruins 
22:48:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> and I heard someone once got drunk on it
22:49:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🪀
22:50:00 <DanIsnotthemanBr> " oh look what does that sail on the sail, mon...... oh look flashing lights.
22:50:00 <DanIsnotthemanBr> script done
22:50:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://twitter.com/xmrbull/status/1634453956201000960
22:50:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> This account is gold
22:50:10 <Siren[m]> plowsof11: If he has equipment (drone, cameras) he can jump in the same boat as us. Can't promise it will be too comfy though.
22:51:41 <DanIsnotthemanBr> stable without being a stablecoin
22:52:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Xmrbull on twitter has to be the most hilarious account I follow
22:52:28 <plowsof11> btw here is the trailer of the monero movie https://nitter.it/markofdistinctn/status/1632306222455193600 (i forgot to share at meeting)
22:53:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> One day, they are talking as much Shit as possible about monero, the next they switch and do the opposite 😆😆
22:53:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its fkn hilarious watching people get triggered on both sides
22:53:25 <plowsof11> didnt see monero in it, or hear cryptobears song (although a second or 2 of the strip club scene was shown where it features) 
22:54:27 * ofrnxmr[m] uploaded an image: (114KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/monero.social/qfjDtibnYlXQOePoTlmADfsL/1e4jonvrlcd5sm5p.jpg >
22:54:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> I love that I thought this was Monerobull for a while 
22:55:18 <DanIsnotthemanBr> rager
22:55:18 <monerobull[m]> Yes this is not me 
22:55:32 <DanIsnotthemanBr> forked account name
22:58:13 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> Damn he a bitcoin bro spreading hate he probably Lost money on Bitcoin
22:58:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> No, hes a troll hahahaha
22:58:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hes shilling monero again today
22:59:14 <DanIsnotthemanBr> need to pay them more 
22:59:28 <plowsof11> its probably fluffys account 
22:59:40 * ofrnxmr[m] uploaded an image: (104KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/monero.social/RlVoupQJAjrpzUjcwwHzkmJE/optoyijc7gz8dudj.jpg >
22:59:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Plot twist. Its plowsof
23:00:52 * ofrnxmr[m] uploaded an image: (56KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/monero.social/NnhXBTKmuxsPpsSNNQyEtMFS/suesedkoxpbzq0em.jpg >
23:01:43 <DanIsnotthemanBr> yeah was like 0.88
23:02:14 <DanIsnotthemanBr> still going with 1=1usd
23:02:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Xmrbull though. I hope that account blows up
23:02:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Usd is really 0
23:04:44 <DanIsnotthemanBr> so whats that funded movie about
23:05:00 <DanIsnotthemanBr> day in the life of a Mexican ?
23:05:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not monero 
23:05:43 <DanIsnotthemanBr> do they at least pay the strippers in monero
23:05:43 <plowsof11> thankfully no mention of crypto/monero was shown - meaning it still has a shot at an oscar
23:06:00 <plowsof11> the final milestone is still safe
23:06:12 <DanIsnotthemanBr> css personal fund
23:06:13 <DanIsnotthemanBr> new name
23:14:07 <midipoet> this channel seems to be passive aggressive central these days
23:14:16 <midipoet> awfully cheery
23:16:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Next time we'll get the red carpet and put chocolates on the pillows 
23:17:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its plowsof's fault anyway
23:18:49 <midipoet> Probably, a bit extravagant. I would imagine most Monero folk would prefer a little less razmatazz and a little more room for quiet contemplation and cryptographic noodling. that, or memes. 
23:19:22 <DanIsnotthemanBr> what is life🤔
23:19:28 <plowsof11> ill upload the meeting logs for you midipoet  
23:20:00 <plowsof11> full of passive aggressiveness, this room is sickening 
23:20:32 <DanIsnotthemanBr> rude
23:20:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hey!... im not passive
23:20:56 <midipoet> i never know when there is a meeting in this room, to be honest. I used to rely on the pinned message/topic thingy, but that doesn't seem to get used anymore
23:20:58 <DanIsnotthemanBr> only aggressive 
23:21:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Irc pinned message = no ops?
23:22:00 <DanIsnotthemanBr> maybe room ping?
23:22:01 <DanIsnotthemanBr> ping monero community -t
23:22:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or whoever has ops give to plowsof
23:23:25 <midipoet> not sure the permissions politics of the pinned topic thingy. i just found it useful. Having said that, i could just check the meta issues in GitHub, so maybe its my own laziness 
23:24:26 <plowsof11> its an hour before the monero events meeting , every other week 
23:24:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> its to throw off the feds
23:24:27 <plowsof11> 2 hours (see, i dont even know)
23:24:27 <DanIsnotthemanBr> no one knows whens the meeting on
23:24:27 <DanIsnotthemanBr> until last minute 
23:26:49 <nioc> wen next meeting
23:31:09 <midipoet> 25th March 17:00 UTC
23:33:12 <plowsof11> im being sarcastic btw midipoet, this room is full of cheerful people who are full of ideas and want the best for this project. if you have an issue with the sarcastic movie comments? geonic can handle it and give back what he gets no problem 
23:33:12 <DanIsnotthemanBr> i thought you were serious ;)
23:33:13 <plowsof11> christmas day 
23:33:13 <plowsof11> 25th March
23:34:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> midipoet: Ist it 1600?
23:34:29 <plowsof11> the current outdated/pinned topic is a reminder that plowsof can not handle ops 
23:34:29 <plowsof11> 16:00UTC (1 hour before events was wrong)
23:34:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> And events at 1800
23:36:48 <midipoet> plowsof11: i don't think it's helpful to have a funded CCS consistently prodded, whether malevolent or in jest.  
23:37:37 <plowsof11> have i been consistently prodding it
23:38:30 <plowsof11> im prodding molly/endor/animated videos 
23:39:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> midipoet: It wasnr merged  by us so idgaf
23:39:46 <plowsof11> we seem to have throughput for handling 3 proposals at a time 
23:39:46 <midipoet> ofrnxmr[m]: what do you mean?
23:39:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Luigi merged it on his own 
23:40:30 <midipoet> i thought voting was tied 
23:40:41 <midipoet> Core was asked to step in
23:40:43 <midipoet> They did
23:40:45 <midipoet> End of
23:40:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nop
23:41:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Was never tied
23:41:42 <midipoet> The last meeting it was discussed, was Core not requested to adjudicate?
23:41:50 <DanIsnotthemanBr> gave up on molly
23:42:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> midipoet: No?
23:42:04 <DanIsnotthemanBr> covid will finish before that server is made
23:42:10 <midipoet> ofrnxmr[m]: in my opinion it was never tied also, except the weighted voting was heavily on passing it
23:42:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lmao
23:42:29 <plowsof11> molly has an update coming, please do not give up on them
23:42:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Weighted voted, you weigh alts 
23:42:56 <midipoet> alts?
23:42:59 <DanIsnotthemanBr> kyc each vote ;)
23:43:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> No voted = real peoplen
23:43:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> There were obvious ALTs voting yes
23:43:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Obvious as in, they exposed themself with they has usage of git
23:43:24 <midipoet> Did you not see the host of comments and votes from long time, trusted community members?
23:43:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bad*
23:43:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> midipoet: Nope
23:43:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont trust none of yall 
23:43:46 <midipoet> fair enough so, I'll leave it there then 
23:44:07 <DanIsnotthemanBr> trust, dont verify
23:44:18 <plowsof11> you're standing by your comment that ive been consistently prodding the movie proposal?
23:44:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> I do business, not friendships 
23:44:48 <DanIsnotthemanBr> do you use a stick or something else for prodding?
23:45:01 <midipoet> ofrnxmr[m]: what a fucking wonderful world that will be then 
23:45:42 <DanIsnotthemanBr> sounds like a song
23:45:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats because it is a song
23:46:28 <DanIsnotthemanBr> sing it
23:46:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> And I think to myselllllffffff
23:46:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> What a wonderrrfulll worrrlrlddd
23:46:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Probably Elvis 
23:47:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or some shit
23:47:57 <DanIsnotthemanBr> probably was singing it before he died on the toliet 
23:49:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is that a threat
23:50:27 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/busyboredom-standalone-acceptxmr.html
23:50:39 <DanIsnotthemanBr> ofrnxmr[m]: elvis
23:51:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im going to tell on you
23:51:45 <DanIsnotthemanBr> "Proposal Expiration: January 1st, 2025."  imagine other proposals had these
23:52:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/these/this/
23:52:33 <BusyBoredom[m]> I think they're technically all supposed to have expiration dates so we can kill them when they get abandoned
23:52:43 <nioc> Louis Armstrong
23:53:08 <DanIsnotthemanBr> do i accept plowsof ping?
23:53:13 <DanIsnotthemanBr> or sus
23:54:14 <plowsof11> started a pm to bribe you and you mention it in public? nevermind 
23:54:20 <Rucknium[m]> BusyBoredom: A fellow RTFMer. ❤️
23:55:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: Accept
23:55:20 <DanIsnotthemanBr> plowsof11: i can be ceo of monero?
23:55:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> He's just gonna tell you im trolling
23:55:42 <DanIsnotthemanBr> yeah i know
23:55:53 <BusyBoredom[m]> Reading manuals is my superpower
23:55:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oh, too late? Already accepted? 
23:56:07 <DanIsnotthemanBr> destruction manuals
23:56:14 <DanIsnotthemanBr> no
23:56:22 <DanIsnotthemanBr> playing the long game
23:56:25 <nioc> is this a workgroup channel? 
23:56:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Depends who you ask
23:56:51 <Rucknium[m]> The CCS manual is not that long really. I shudder to think what people do with longer manuals.
23:56:53 <DanIsnotthemanBr> or the time of day
23:57:16 <nioc> so it is not a designated channel
23:57:30 <DanIsnotthemanBr> or should it be in css policy 
23:57:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> We were talking about a proposal 
23:57:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> I mean 
23:57:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> An in progress cxs
23:58:17 <nioc> FFS
23:58:50 <Rucknium[m]> nioc: On Matrix side the room name has been changed to "Monero Community Workgroup"
23:58:59 <DanIsnotthemanBr> yeah
23:59:41 <nioc> :)
23:59:48 <Rucknium[m]> The manual: https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/
23:59:54 <nioc> :D