00:42:06 <valldrac[m]> Hi everyone! I just posted an update on Molly CCS. In the post I discuss the progress of the project and introduce the new Monero SDK for Android we're building. I explain why it's necessary, the issues with wallet2, and the features it provides. Lastly, I ask for additional funding from the community to help us continue with the development
00:42:13 <valldrac[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/252#note_20900
00:58:52 <plowsof11> the joys of working with wallet2.cpp 
00:59:44 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Praise Allah
00:59:48 <hardenedsteel[m]> why not building top on XMPP/Jabber 
01:00:59 <hardenedsteel[m]> or matrix
01:03:01 <plowsof11> thank you for the detailed/honest report valldrac (link to the wallet sdk being discussed https://github.com/mollyim/monero-wallet-sdk ) 
01:04:06 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
01:04:41 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Next progress report 2years with new funding
01:05:04 <hardenedsteel[m]> People on the Signal forum are already against Mobilecoin and most people already know about XMR. It doesn't make sense to me. IMO this won't worth.
01:05:41 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Building what on matrix?
01:06:10 <hardenedsteel[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: Monero payments.
01:07:12 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Meta data issue
01:07:13 <plowsof11> why would i use moneropayments in matrix 
01:07:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Signal its only initial registered number
01:07:51 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Valldrac can explain better
01:09:05 <plowsof11> today has been content heavy, and its a long update, but highlights the benefits of this wallet sdk 
01:13:44 <hardenedsteel[m]> <plowsof11> "why would i use moneropayments..." <- same reason as on molly.im or signal. Personally I wouldn't.
04:26:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> <DanIsnotthemanBr> "Meta data issue" <- Like what? 
04:40:30 <DanIsnotthemanBr> more running monero payments on matrix?
04:40:35 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/more/for/
07:07:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> 👀 I think I typed that while I was asleep
07:21:28 <DanIsnotthemanBr> ban
10:42:50 <monerooo[m]> Today moner.ooo is one year old. 🎂
12:30:04 <bridgerton[m]> <ceruleous> Do I need to resync my entire wallets block height I intend to switch remote node provider (my VPS died)
12:30:36 <bridgerton[m]> <ceruleous> Do I need to resync my wallet's entire  block height I intend to switch remote node provider (my VPS died)
12:32:14 <dsc_> no
14:53:27 <icarolongo[m]> https://sethforprivacy.com/posts/why-i-focus-on-bitcoin/
14:54:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> Like a week old ♥️ dont need to repost everywhere 
19:18:27 <orion_midast[m]> If I wanted to create a project related to XMR or that would use XMR, is there any help I can get ?
19:18:27 <orion_midast[m]> is there a group of community members that have been helping build around XMR ?
19:31:00 <dsc_> orion_midast[m]: this very channel, and other monero related channels contain sufficient technical people that are more than willing to help and answer specific questions
19:31:39 <orion_midast[m]> dsc_: thats dope, thanks a lot. Will definitely ask some questions.
19:55:15 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Seths a btc dev leave him alone ;)
20:28:29 <hardenedsteel[m]> <icarolongo[m]> "https://sethforprivacy.com/posts..." <- I hope it's satiric article otherwise I wouldn't be surprised if this article is paid.
20:31:37 <RavFX[m]> his first paragraph say it all, he was initially in crypto not for the tech but for the money.
20:31:37 <RavFX[m]> BTC pumped in last 3 months and he got a job in BTC so he is back in BTC (follow the money mode)
20:41:44 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> Seth for real a btc dev
20:43:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> I initially came here (crypto) for the NGU 
20:43:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats a meaningless metric. Just says our personal entries to monero started with bitcoin
20:44:12 <RavFX[m]> I came here for the tech, initially btc but xmr have better tech.
20:44:12 <RavFX[m]> make money with that shit too but for me the tech is > important
20:44:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bitcoin tech has been dead forever 
20:44:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero unknown.
20:44:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Everything else a scam.
20:44:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> What tech?
20:44:33 <RavFX[m]> bitcoin got killed by blockstream
20:44:43 <RavFX[m]> tech stopped to improve
20:45:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Right. So what tech are you coming for? If you dont know anything about crypto except for "bitcoin NGU"
20:45:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> And after coming, you learn that there is in fact, viable projects
20:46:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> The article Ishtar satire. Is a response to monero community fud about him being a sell out
20:46:46 <RavFX[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Monero unknown.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/f920a2d56c600054bdd61729b2dc8fd9073cb99f>)
20:46:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Isnt* satire
20:47:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> In 2018 bitcoin was NGU
20:47:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> In 2008 it was cypherpunk 
20:47:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> BitMonero was created in 2014 because bitcoin wasnt sufficient.
20:47:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bitcoiners who were still around in 2018 didnt care about the tech and still dont 
20:48:28 <RavFX[m]> I consider everything nor monero a scam too actually
20:48:28 <RavFX[m]> especially these smart scam chains like ETH (I call them scam facilitators because it's there main purpose) 
20:48:35 <RavFX[m]> s/nor/not/
20:48:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> ETH is a joke.
20:48:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its literally gas. Why it has value is beyond me
20:49:36 <RavFX[m]> most people in that toxic space are there for the money, nothing more
20:49:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> (Of course it has value because you need to pay the people who stake it)
20:49:57 <hardenedsteel[m]> > Most people will enter cryptocurrency through Bitcoin
20:49:57 <hardenedsteel[m]> If Bitcoin is more popular than Monero then I should be focus on Bitcoin.
20:49:57 <hardenedsteel[m]> > Monero’s community has remained laser-focused on building out digital cash without sacrificing decentralization or trustlessness...
20:49:57 <hardenedsteel[m]> speechless
20:50:05 <hardenedsteel[m]>  * > Most people will enter cryptocurrency through Bitcoin
20:50:06 <hardenedsteel[m]> If Bitcoin is more popular than Monero then I should be focus on Bitcoin.
20:50:06 <hardenedsteel[m]> > Monero’s community has remained laser-focused on building out digital cash without sacrificing decentralization or trustlessness...
20:50:06 <hardenedsteel[m]> speechless
20:51:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> hardenedsteel:  if youre a maxi, you do maxi things. Otherwise, you do whats best for the greater good aka get the fuck out of your backyard and do some mainstream work
20:51:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Preaching to the choir doesnt help monero at all
20:51:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Shilling monero to maxis is suicide missionb
20:51:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cmon people. Maybe psychology isnt a strongpoint in dev communities
20:52:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> If you understand human nature, youd understand what Seth is ultimately doing 
20:52:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> He cant speak his true endgame goals, because fudders will fud
20:53:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> hardenedsteel:  arent you the one that posted the link to the website for chsinanalysis that thanked you? 
20:54:26 <hardenedsteel[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Just disappointed from Seth that's all. It felt like he suddenly changed.
20:54:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> He didnt change 
20:54:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anybody who does more then speculate knows that
20:54:50 <hardenedsteel[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: yes but that's irrelevant with monero.
20:54:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ie, talks to him 
20:55:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> hardenedsteel[m]: Can you share again
20:55:05 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Lol
20:55:14 <hardenedsteel[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: share what?
20:55:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> The link
20:55:35 <hardenedsteel[m]> https://antinalysis.org
20:55:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ty
20:56:08 <plowsof11> i don't see seth on the credit slist 
20:57:02 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Only in golden globe movie
20:58:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hardensteel is credited though 🙃
20:59:27 <plowsof11> icarolongo: paste the link in multiple rooms
20:59:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> They didnt help though™ and dont know why they are credited™
21:00:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: He did
21:00:12 <plowsof11> i mean the antinalysis one xD
21:00:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ah
21:00:55 <DanIsnotthemanBr> :\
21:00:58 <plowsof11> anyway the point is, if we want to go conspiracy theory, don't throw stones in glass houses,, it achieves nothing 
21:01:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Except for people seeing into your glass house 
21:01:31 <RavFX[m]> Throwing stone on glass houses, sound fun actually
21:01:35 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Must be hot in a glass house
21:01:36 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Sun and everything
21:02:29 <plowsof11> if seth is giving bad advice to people, call him out on it, it should not bother you how he puts food on his plate 
21:02:42 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Too much mess
21:03:08 <hardenedsteel[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: It doesn't have relationship with this topic or Monero.
21:03:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> ™
21:03:54 <hardenedsteel[m]> how so?
21:05:03 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Talk to seth direct if you have an issue. I doubt he would be like craig wright and block
21:05:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ddos spam fud will get blocked 
21:05:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cultists can be pretty insane.
21:05:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hence why he wrote a post instead of talking to a bunch of nutters directly 
21:06:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> My words, not his
21:06:54 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Excuse me
21:06:58 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Tinfolier
21:07:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> * Tinfoiler
21:07:30 <hardenedsteel[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: No, I personally don't have a problem with him.
21:07:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> An unpaid contributor gets a job
21:07:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cancel him
21:08:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Guys a pos who has only ever been here for the money 
21:08:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ive known it all along
21:08:50 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Show me the money💰
21:08:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ive been waiting for the day to open my fat mouth to tear down good people behind their backs 
21:08:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> I know their personal contact info, but fuck that. I dont talk to traitors
21:08:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> ™
21:09:40 <DanIsnotthemanBr> He does have every single IM so you can talk to seth
21:10:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Easier to let my imagination run wild with accusations about intent, when im clearly as good as being Seth as Seth is 
21:10:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> You see my 20k+followers? You see how much everybody respects me?
21:10:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oh wait. Im just jealous 
21:10:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: Even his signal phone number
21:11:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> But no. He spends 4 years with us, doing a lot of mainstream legwork.. and the moment he decided to take a break, we need to destroy the image he built
21:12:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> If monero people has morals, they'd leave the guy tf alone. If he is spreading bad info, they'd contact him to help him correct it
21:12:28 <Rucknium[m]> I am just glad that now I have cover for working on BCH too. (This is a joke.)
21:12:32 <plowsof11> im going to boycott his monerod systemd guide, whose with me
21:12:53 <ceetee[m]> its the sudden perceived 180° that was weird
21:13:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> It wasnt sudden 
21:13:11 <plowsof11> we're not using his simple monerod docker anymore - anyone found using it will be ousted as a traitor
21:13:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> He's ALWAYS been a btc guy
21:13:20 * DanIsnotthemanBr uploaded an image: (306KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/TDRLDiqdGuNPsBhTUfKlHTqM/ima_0512e03.jpeg >
21:13:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> He's NEVER been monero only
21:13:23 <ceetee[m]> sudden perceived
21:13:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because of fud popping up^
21:13:38 <ceetee[m]> or perceived sudden
21:13:42 <hardenedsteel[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: who says that?
21:13:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> He left community like 6 months aho
21:14:00 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Seth who
21:14:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> But now people have an issue because hes still alive 
21:14:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Leeches 
21:14:57 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I was waiting for podcasts
21:15:06 <ceetee[m]> exactly, last thing I heard about him was months ago, and my shitty memory said he was a 100% xmr guy
21:15:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> He owes me more of his attention 
21:15:15 <ceetee[m]> obviously wrong
21:15:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah, nah, hes always been pushing Monero and being angry about the state of bitcoin 
21:15:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because if bitcoin did some of thIngs monero did, it would be good for monero 
21:16:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> And Seth has converted many big maxis from btc onto to monero is also ok
21:16:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> BTC only*
21:16:32 <DanIsnotthemanBr> When i was listening between seth and Italian dude forgot his name but says fluffypony funny . Seem like he was xmr
21:16:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Giaccomo
21:16:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> ?
21:16:48 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Yeah
21:16:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> I set that up
21:17:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because Giacomo from btc hates monero maxis 
21:17:17 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Css proposal ?
21:17:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Blocked everyone. But Giacomo is a good, smart guy
21:17:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> I wanted him to have a fair conversation with a non-Maxi
21:17:48 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Yeah maxi vs maxi is stupid
21:17:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> And that was the result. They were able to talk on a level of understanding of both chains and their flaws
21:17:56 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Just argument
21:18:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Giacomo only came onto monerotalk for THREE DAMN HOURS 
21:18:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because of seth
21:18:19 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Yeah split episodes
21:18:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bitcoin maxis accepted this.
21:18:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Giacomo is a maxi upon maxis
21:18:28 <DanIsnotthemanBr> So you are doug!!!
21:18:39 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Exposed
21:18:45 <spackle_xmr[m]> There isn't actually a large number of Monero people giving Seth a hard time, is there?
21:18:45 <spackle_xmr[m]> I'm sure there is some unpleasantness (this being the Internet and all), but I'd be surprised to find out that he's getting massive amounts of grief.
21:18:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes there is, recently 
21:19:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> A lot on twitter at least 
21:19:13 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Interweb have it works
21:19:20 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/have/how/
21:20:31 <Rucknium[m]> Should Seth step down from being a moderator of r/Monero?
21:20:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> YES 🔪
21:20:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> (Seriously: No)
21:20:58 <DanIsnotthemanBr> And dev
21:21:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Unless he wants to
21:21:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org: 
21:21:18 <hardenedsteel[m]> What about correcting the article with him?
21:21:21 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Blood in, blood out
21:21:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> hardenedsteel[m]: Message him if you have a problem 
21:22:13 <hardenedsteel[m]> I think he is already in this group.
21:22:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> If he doesnt know who you are, tell him.. youre a contributor etc want to rereview his lastest merge
21:22:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> No, he left this group
21:22:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> #optout-general:matrix.optoutpod.com  is his channel
21:22:57 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Last time i was there it was dead
21:23:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> He was replying to fud there recently 
21:23:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://matrix.to/#/!nuZLxoQdczbtvKUueD:monero.social/$SulbkMzGZ-NOveUws0lzzi7JRnZXEGOCVCtncsgtxXE?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=matrix.optoutpod.com
21:25:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> > The intent was that my *focus* has changed in where I dedicate my time, but not that my *recommendation* has changed today.
21:26:59 <Rucknium[m]> Isn't it a simple equation? (number of people whose behavior Seth can change to use X privacy tool) * (amount of increased privacy of X privacy tool)? Isn't that what he is saying?
21:28:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats what I thought long before he said anything 
21:29:10 <monerobull[m]> seth hasnt done any mod-work in like 4 months
21:29:50 <xmrscott[m]> > <@spackle_xmr:matrix.org> There isn't actually a large number of Monero people giving Seth a hard time, is there?
21:29:51 <xmrscott[m]> > I'm sure there is some unpleasantness (this being the Internet and all), but I'd be surprised to find out that he's getting massive amounts of grief.
21:29:51 <xmrscott[m]> There's an annual rotating list of people who get conspiracies about them, one time it may be fp, another sgp, now it's seth apparently Relatively small amount of people promoting conspiracies, and almost never anyone who has contributed to code, finances, or workgroup discussion promoting such conspiracies
21:32:28 <nioc> is this a cult?  can we leave?
21:33:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> xmrscott @xmrscott:monero.social:  id argue its not relatively small
21:33:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> There are over 1000 people on telegram who hate sgp
21:34:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> And its like.. a lost cause. No idea how they got so brainwashed, but they really seem to have a narrative set out
21:34:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero orange pills, for example
21:35:20 <xmrscott[m]> I stand corrected, apparently some conspiracies don't die out for some people
21:35:38 <nioc> sometimes it becomes history 
21:36:11 <sgp[m]> Luckily people only seem to hate me in waves of twice a year or so now. Used to be more common, peak hate in 2020/2021
21:36:32 <xmrscott[m]> The general ethos, modus operandi of the community though remains the same? Want something changed? Make it happen yourself and/or with others, anyone can create a workgroup
21:36:50 <xmrscott[m]> s/?/./
21:36:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> See #monero-community-dev:monero.social  for an example :)
21:37:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> And nobody works for monero
21:38:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Except for the contributors. They are NOT allowed to leave. Ever. Even after they die they will be buried on the blockchain in tx_funeral
21:38:52 <RavFX[m]> I work for monero :D
21:38:52 <RavFX[m]> No other payment method accepted
21:40:47 <MajesticBank> and almost never anyone who has contributed to code, finances, or workgroup discussion promoting such conspiracies
21:41:04 <MajesticBank> <
21:41:20 <MajesticBank> I've seen such people vote on some important things too
21:43:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Probably talking about the 16 alts that tried to vote in events
21:44:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> I couldnt imagine hes talking about me.
21:44:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> If hes referring to Txextra voting, no matter how you count the votes the result is a very similar ratio (only taking votes from contributors) 
21:44:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> And as far as finances, lololoo. You cant buy your way into a seat at the table
21:45:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont care if youre Elon, you dont get to exclude non contributors and then call yourself one when all you contribute is fiat
21:46:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero doesnt have VC investors that are owed a seat at the board table.
21:46:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> The table is made up of those with the best interests and/or the highest technical knowledge on the subjects at hand 
21:46:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not the fattest pockets 
22:03:13 <spackle_xmr[m]> xmrscott: Yeah, I have seen some of that.
22:03:13 <spackle_xmr[m]> I have tried to enjoy the Monero project as a relaxed/fun environment, but that attitude is hard to match with financial and privacy issues in general.
22:04:37 <spacefreedom[m]> > <@spackle_xmr:matrix.org> xmrscott: Yeah, I have seen some of that.
22:04:37 <spacefreedom[m]> > I have tried to enjoy the Monero project as a relaxed/fun environment, but that attitude is hard to match with financial and privacy issues in general.
22:04:37 <spacefreedom[m]> Yes it is more akin to panic coding, on any type of project within this category
22:10:37 <hardenedsteel[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "I dont care if youre Elon, you..." <- Providing stuff for Monero can be count as contribute and MajesticBank is sponsor of The Monero Project.
22:10:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> So is fork networking 
22:11:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> They also contribute 750+ Sybil nodes
22:11:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Type financial partners 
22:11:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Type*
22:11:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> -_- autocorrect... ty***
22:11:50 <plowsof11> i contribute by making sure my laptops remains somewhat charged
22:12:20 <hardenedsteel[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: how?
22:12:30 <plowsof11> sometimes i have to bed  to grab the charging cable 
22:12:35 <plowsof11> s/bed/bend
22:12:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why, so you can go be credited again 😆
22:14:09 <plowsof11> risking repetitive strain injury for this project 
22:16:59 <hardenedsteel[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: for what?
22:26:40 <selsta> ofrnxmr[m]: to be fair i'm not sure if they are aware of it, they are a normal hosting provider
22:33:41 <revuoxmr> Revuo Monero Issue 163: March 11 - 16, 2023. https://revuo-xmr.com/issue-163.html
22:43:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> selsta:  yup. Should have made that clear. Fork is not RUNNING the nodes, just that the nodes were sourced there 
23:15:18 <Lovera[m]> I’m late for Mordinals ? Have you already discussed it? 😅
23:15:18 <Lovera[m]> https://mordinals.org/
23:16:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org:  is the morbs workgroup leader
23:16:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Coordinator*
23:17:37 <plowsof11> we are holding a morbinals competition , the winner will be announced at the next meeting https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/810
23:20:23 <XMRPriest[m]> What’s the competition for ?
23:20:40 <XMRPriest[m]> Hopefully how to remove them from the chain lol the most efficiently
23:21:08 <Lovera[m]> XMRPriest[m]: 😅😅 
23:21:15 <monerobull[m]> XMRPriest[m]: who can actually get the morb wallet to run
23:21:40 <XMRPriest[m]> 😬😬✌️
23:24:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> XMRPriest[m]: 150 wownero