00:38:32 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> There is a new wallet and for which one
00:38:35 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> I want to know
00:40:42 <monerobull[m]> Morbinals, it's a modified monero cli but doesn't seem to actually work
00:48:22 <bit_thanos[m]>  which is wierd because they keep minting those punks
02:32:20 <XMRPriest[m]> Can we verify they are actually on chain
02:32:26 <XMRPriest[m]> The ones they have minted so far ?
02:34:55 <boog900[m]> Here is one: https://xmrchain.net/search?value=bab5caefd9874945befcbf0ae6ab229feece3ec18f49fc9271ceda903dc57130
02:35:25 <boog900[m]> Look at the size of the extra field 
02:36:10 <XMRPriest[m]> So if they are the only ones able to mint, what doesn’t make this a harmful attack
02:36:22 <XMRPriest[m]> They could prevent everyone from minting and just spamming the network
02:36:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> They arent 
02:36:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Txextra as is, is unlimited 
02:36:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anyone can use kr
02:37:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> We had mrl logs on chain already too
02:37:53 <XMRPriest[m]> Plus the bee movie script, so anyone can mint I guess, so we just can’t use their NFT viewer if we mint our own
02:37:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Priest :P multitasking 
05:09:55 <DanIsnotthemanBr> dont bloat my 1TB ssd
05:10:29 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> That's alot 😭for an SSD
05:10:30 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> That's pretty dope actually
05:46:03 <Monegro> Technical question.
05:46:13 <Monegro> Technical question. I was under the impression that there's 32bytes * 16 outputs = 512 bytes of available space for hypothetical data storage in a single transaction output.  But I was told that only 20 bytes per output are available. Just want to confirm that.
05:47:01 <Monegro> So that would mean only 320 bytes for data storage
06:07:16 <chesterfield[m]> Does anyone know if it's possible to mint the bee movie multiple times on the chain or do monero nodes prevent duplicate bee movie minting attacks
06:07:17 <chesterfield[m]> asking for an 18000 person discord group
06:26:26 <monerobull[m]> There's a limit on transaction size
06:26:57 <monerobull[m]> <chesterfield[m]> "Does anyone know if it's..." <- Why would xmr nodes have a mechanism like that 
06:27:29 <bridgerton[m]> <Bon 💗> Is that Nagatoru in a cat costume behind loads of monero
07:34:38 <cockliuser[m]> <bridgerton[m]> "<Bon 💗> Is that Nagatoru in a..." <- Yeah but AI-enhanced 
07:34:55 <cockliuser[m]> The AI makes it generic as hell
08:03:22 <monerobull[m]> That was early days stable diffusion 
08:03:32 <monerobull[m]> When there weren't any custom models or anything like that yet
08:35:30 <monerobull[m]> https://mordinals.org/item/144
08:38:24 <spacekitty420[m4> wen tx_extra removal? a month ago there was consensus on that MRL thingy to at least limit it so like... wen?
08:45:55 <ceetee[m]> I think everyone agrees that it shouldn't remain as is, but there is no clear consensus on what to do
08:46:31 <ceetee[m]> either removal or limit to an optional but fixed field of about 256byte
09:06:42 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/252#note_20900
09:06:48 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Mmmm
09:49:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> spacekitty420 @spacekitty420:catgirl.cloud:  missed ya
11:48:11 <LiberLion[m]> You must buy food.  The supermarket offers are:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/13c49677d9b15be1e5e812ed1584d67f17f485c9>)
11:49:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Credit card isnt a discount, but an increase btw
11:49:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Credit card = 1-5% above orice
11:49:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Regular price = baseline
11:49:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> kyc mobile app = 10% off
11:50:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> If I have a (credit card), id use c, as both as the same thing 
11:51:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> And no, its not just a forgone conclusion.
11:51:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero is easier than btc and doesnt violate your privacy 
11:54:35 <DanIsnotthemanBr> You posted this in TNO too
12:01:10 <LiberLion[m]> I see that you do not understand the fundamental message
12:02:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> I see that I do
12:02:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> And that you are lost. 
12:02:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> #monero-offtopic:monero.social  is the place 
12:03:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hard to get through the whole message when the initial premise is factually incorrect 
12:10:18 <LiberLion[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Hard to get through the whole..." <- Why do you assume that everything is the same, always?  I am telling an example that happens, in fact it happens in my country.  Open mind.
12:12:32 <LiberLion[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> And that you are lost. 
12:12:32 <LiberLion[m]> > #monero-offtopic:monero.social  is the place 
12:12:32 <LiberLion[m]> Thanks for the warning off topic I didn't know, I apologize 
12:13:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Np. Topic/convo will go further there
12:24:02 <XMRPriest[m]> <DanIsnotthemanBr> "https://repo.getmonero.org/..." <- Do they already have a new CSS proposal ?
12:50:00 <Rucknium[m]> Monegro: Check these comments:
12:50:03 <Rucknium[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/6668#issuecomment-1190894091
12:50:03 <Rucknium[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/6668#issuecomment-1195807365
12:50:13 <Rucknium[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/6668#issuecomment-1195811889
12:50:13 <Rucknium[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/6668#issuecomment-1195832529
12:50:23 <Rucknium[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/6668#issuecomment-1195848688
12:50:23 <Rucknium[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/6668#issuecomment-1196312004
12:50:33 <Rucknium[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/6668#issuecomment-1416797903
12:50:33 <Rucknium[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/6668#issuecomment-1418008913
12:50:42 <Rucknium[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/6668#issuecomment-1418013762
12:51:45 <Rucknium[m]> And this paper: Guo, Z., Shi, L., Xu, M., & Yin, H. (2021). "MRCC: A practical covert channel over Monero with provable security." https://moneroresearch.info/index.php?action=resource_RESOURCEVIEW_CORE&id=33
12:55:15 <plowsof11> @XMR 
12:55:51 <plowsof11> XMR Priest: that comment is a report on 'where theyre at' 
12:57:00 <XMRPriest[m]> plowsof11: I know I read it haha, they said they are planning on asking for more funding, about 32000 dollars, so idk if they had already put in the new request or nah 
13:08:46 <plowsof11> transparency is good, the steps for obtaining funding where not mentioned though. their wallet sdk is 80% complete and has had made a positive impression on the seraphis migration group. if the proposer had known they would have needed to "develop an android wallet sdk with all these missing features from scratch because the monero codebase is so bad" perhaps things would be different. my goal is to bring that project to completion -
13:08:47 <plowsof11> question is 'how'  
13:15:43 <germankr[m]> Hi everyone
13:18:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Knock knock"
13:18:23 <sech1> who's there?
13:18:25 <XMRPriest[m]> 100% right, such a huge innovation for the space and definitely want to see it succeed
13:18:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Germankr
13:18:52 <XMRPriest[m]> GermanKr who ?
13:19:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> 👻
13:19:14 <germankr[m]> ✌🏻
13:19:15 <dsc_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWMFZSYXNDw
13:19:28 <plowsof11> whereiseveryone you have been pinged^
13:19:41 <Rucknium[m]> How does Monerujo and Molly's work compare?
13:19:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> m2049r: 
13:21:33 <nioc> amazing how many people think that a movie is actually on the monero chain
13:35:18 <plowsof11> Rucknium: will try to find out, other than 'moneroujo is java' and 'mollys sdk is c++ / kotlin' i don't know 
13:39:01 <germankr[m]> Guys, what do you think the future of the Monero is?... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/278164f4b9d287bc6e3bf9b12e338ec5ef14021d>)
13:41:00 <Rucknium[m]> germankr: Please ask in #monero . This channel is for getting work done. Thanks
13:41:14 <germankr[m]> Ooh sorry I didn’t know it
13:41:22 <germankr[m]> Thanks
13:43:01 <Rucknium[m]> No problem. Thank you
14:06:42 <spacekitty420[m4> <ofrnxmr[m]> "spacekitty420 @spacekitty420:..." <- hewo
15:57:59 <Rucknium[m]> Monegro: AFAIK, the only working implementation for steganography in Monero-formatted transactions is in Townforge, a Monero code fork game developed mostly by moneromoo. With ring size 16, you can put a 942 byte message to a recipient, only readable by the recipient. It's working in the Townforge testnet now.
15:58:42 <dsc_> Rucknium[m]: I think also chat-messages are inserted into the mempool? :P
15:58:45 <dsc_> IIRC
16:00:23 <Rucknium[m]> If you use all 942 bytes, the recipient of the message know which ring member was the real spend. External observers do not know. Using fewer bytes to encode the message means that the effective ring size, as it appears to the recipient, is higher
16:00:38 <Rucknium[m]> Things would be different with Seraphis. How? I don't know
16:01:36 <Rucknium[m]> dsc_: Yes. There are public chat messages that appear in the mempool with zero fee so they are never mined into the blockchain. Eventually they drop out. The secret private messages are a different and new feature
16:04:28 <Rucknium[m]> Townforge also already has native NFTs :P
16:40:58 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Hello, is there any weebs here? What is the correct spelling of Monero Chan?
16:40:59 <DiegoSalazar[m]> Monero-Chan? MoneroChan? Monero Chan?
16:48:41 <cockliuser[m]> <DiegoSalazar[m]> "Monero-Chan? MoneroChan? Monero..." <- Usually most romanizations use the hyphen for honorifics 
16:49:35 <cockliuser[m]> So Monero-chan would be grammatically correct ig
16:50:31 <nioc> monerobull[m]: ^^^
16:54:49 <monerobull[m]> The subreddit said Monero Chan so i went with that
16:55:28 <monerobull[m]> Blame twisted_turtle: 
16:56:18 <monerobull[m]> "Monero Chan Morbinals" looks good enough 
16:57:06 <ajs_[m]> mordinals or morbinals
16:57:47 <monerobull[m]> The creator called them mordinals but that's dumb
16:58:02 <monerobull[m]> I've been campaign for morbinals / morbs
16:58:26 <monerobull[m]> More unique from BTC and meme background 
17:01:11 <monerobull[m]> You can say "it's morbin time" and then morb all over the morbchain
19:09:46 <ajs_[m]> https://mordinals.org/item/210
19:15:23 <xmrscott[m]> <DiegoSalazar[m]> "Hello, is there any weebs here..." <- Speaker with a cert and xp to back it. For English written localization for this particular title you'd include the hyphen to designate connection.
19:15:23 <xmrscott[m]> In the native language there is no hyphen and with some other titles like さん you're better off localizing it as Mr. Mrs. IMO instead of simply writing the phonetic -san
19:15:23 <xmrscott[m]> In other words, just be aware the hyphen isn't a universal rule
19:31:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> If youre speaking to Japanese people etc, use San 
19:31:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dont use Mr unless they do.
19:31:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> There are many honorifics and they dont mean the same as they do in English 
20:07:17 <RavFX[m]> look like the ordinal stuff did use deprecated if/ofstream boost stuff too, patched that (no, patch won't be released)
20:16:22 <boog900[m]> https://github.com/mooonero/mordinals/pull/3
20:16:27 <monerobull[m]> <ajs_[m]> "https://mordinals.org/item/210" <- great
20:21:28 <RavFX[m]> I already did that lol
20:21:41 <xfedex[m]> <DiegoSalazar[m]> "Hello, is there any weebs here..." <- In phonetic alphabet: /məˈnɛroʊ   tʃæn·əl/
20:21:41 <xfedex[m]> With Latin spelling: *Monero Cian*
20:22:25 <xfedex[m]> s/·əl//, s/*Monero/_Monero/, s/Cian*/Cian_/
20:22:50 <RavFX[m]> now I get some no matching function for call to cryptonote::blockchain::init(cryptonote::blockchaindb*&, cryptonote::network_type
20:22:50 <RavFX[m]> checking...
20:24:37 <boog900[m]> Did you remove the lines i mentioned yesterday
20:24:57 <boog900[m]> I removed this line:
20:24:57 <boog900[m]> https://github.com/mooonero/mordinals/blob/171a2682d1876aa008344ac42379368660bb8410/src/CMakeLists.txt#L113
20:24:57 <boog900[m]> I removed this if else:
20:24:57 <boog900[m]> https://github.com/mooonero/mordinals/blob/171a2682d1876aa008344ac42379368660bb8410/CMakeLists.txt#L1220
20:27:23 <RavFX[m]> I did not, thanks.
20:27:23 <RavFX[m]> People really want me to start to post stuff where no stuff shall be posted :D
22:30:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> RavFX: 
22:30:48 <RavFX[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: ?
22:30:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rough numbers for 60fps
22:30:50 * ofrnxmr[m] uploaded an image: (44KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/monero.social/wSvHthCJmIhNienvyhKAxmJF/77anbp08qohbdzxr.jpg >
22:32:00 <RavFX[m]> nice to know, thanks
22:32:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> If youre just storing, you dont need to make the blocks big
22:32:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> 10.8 is just the tx weight. Also add the size of the frames being uploaded
22:59:21 <fr33_yourself[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "As I see it, cbdc > btc. Cbdc..." <- Why do you think a CBDC will be more widely adopted as a medium of exchange than BTC and "crpyto" by individuals?
22:59:58 <RavFX[m]> fr33_yourself[m]: no, not until they force it down you're throat. 
23:00:17 <RavFX[m]> right now CBDC adoption is laughable (in country where they launched it). People don't want it
23:01:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cbdc in USA studied xmr though 
23:01:44 <RavFX[m]> Yeah, they gonna keep the viewkey for themself...
23:01:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yup
23:02:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Same old system, just POS xmr and custodial wallets for the peasants 
23:09:54 <plowsof11> sanity checked the limited tx_extra  PR : it stopped me from broadcasting a morby nooooo
23:11:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Split it in 16 tx
23:11:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or no
23:11:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Uh.. maths
23:14:08 <plowsof11> monero.fail can have an uhm 
23:15:23 <plowsof11> unless sendrawtransaction requires unrestricted node? monero dot fail can expose the anti morbinodes 
23:15:24 <fr33_yourself[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Cbdc in USA studied xmr though..." <- How do you know?🤨
23:19:11 <nioc> because unlike btc cbdc is private and so is monero  :D
23:21:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> My wow node added limit in hard fork
23:21:46 <RavFX[m]> I added limit in all my nodes
23:21:46 <RavFX[m]> all nodes back online
23:23:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rav, do you have logd from the 13th?
23:23:14 <fr33_yourself[m]> nioc: You think it's likely that CBDC transactions will be private to: you, the receiver, the federal reserve, the US government, and an intermediary instituition if necessary?
23:23:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Around block 2841136
23:23:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> fr33_yourself[m]: No. P2p.
23:23:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> State will know your in and outs
23:23:51 <fr33_yourself[m]> So like banks now, but easier for the federal reserve and government to monitor and manipulate as they see fit
23:24:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Right right 
23:24:38 <RavFX[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I have logs since july 2k22
23:24:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> See anything funny at the block I sent
23:25:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> (Serious curiosity) 
23:26:40 <RavFX[m]> not really ----- BLOCK ADDED AS ALTERNATIVE ON HEIGHT 2841135
23:26:40 <RavFX[m]> but nothing about 2841136
23:27:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> My node went down
23:27:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nodes plural