00:21:06 Yeah that's why you don't order it from the pizza-sushi-kebab kiosk 00:28:21 I bought it from a mosque made by the turkey government 00:28:50 I had simit from there for the first time (it was good) 00:29:23 Turkish gov made mosque baklava sounds awful actually 00:30:00 Most of their food is good 00:30:07 The doner was delicious 00:30:27 And the simit is pure bliss 00:30:44 There's no way baklava is the one and only thing they messed up 00:30:53 Even the ayran is good there 07:25:32 https://xmrposter.club/notice/ATxzIF6PIdzhcmCKR6 07:41:28 I wonder, what happens if you had funds pending on an atomic swap and it goes offline indefinitely. 07:44:26 It's a good thing i deleted elite wallet 07:51:20 There are people with funds inside 07:51:40 Look on reddit 07:51:58 I know I've seen it some people say it's spyware 07:52:06 Or some stuff 09:50:00 Holy smokes it's real 09:50:00 https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/121cu1v/sent_xmr_to_majesticbank_now_cant_reach_site_or/ 09:50:00 Bagholders in the TG still think this is just an update. 09:57:53 > <@bridgerton:matrix.org> Holy smokes it's real... (full message at ) 09:59:00 Eh my bad, what do you call someone who got rugpulled? 09:59:35 Imagine using majestic 10:00:17 I only used it for xmr<>wow until neroswap came back up 10:00:55 imo neroswap is quicker, majesticbank takes a whole day to trade 10:01:04 Or at least, took 10:01:22 šŸ˜„ 10:03:13 bridgerton[m]: How many ppl even use it ? And what can they do other than wait for it to be back online šŸ˜… 10:03:36 Just pray you didn't put a lot of money in it and hope it goes up 11:09:36 Meeting in 4hr51min https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/810 16:00utc 11:09:52 evven 11:10:13 events* meeting at 17:00utc @ #monero-events:monero.social 11:10:53 events @ 18:00UTC* 11:11:59 That's 5 and 7 Berlin 11:56:28 Mm be asleep then 12:01:06 Hi, my reddit post (as always) have been shadow-banned. Is there a reddit mod that can unremove it ? 12:01:06 https://reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/121jmub/if_you_ever_forgot_what_monero_is_you_can_ask/ 12:53:07 r*ddit censorhip.. again? please re-post on monero.house 12:53:13 and let the people read your message 12:54:34 your favourite reddit mod(s) are busy manually sifting through comments from AI bots 13:50:23 https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/121cu1v/sent_xmr_to_majesticbank_now_cant_reach_site_or/ 13:50:24 i noticed Doug retweet this ETH<->XMR atomic swap mainnet teaser from elizabeth https://nitter.it/elizabethereum/status/1639293037267255296 (the tweet has 11k views and counting) 13:51:13 MajesticBank 13:55:32 i cant see any updates in the MB telegram group - only from March 19th "Sorry about that, this is the update that makes exchange decentralized and we really need a bit of extra time to finish this up properly, 13:55:32 Turning MajesticBank into a DEX was in progress for couple months already and few days of downtime won't matter in next couple of years of operating" 13:56:50 kycnot.me has delisted MB until services are back up 13:58:14 Im looking into it 15:59:01 hello 15:59:11 is there a meeting today 15:59:53 Hello 16:00:12 ah yes, Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/810 16:00:14 Yes Sir. 16:00:20 Good morning. 16:00:34 hi all 16:00:58 Hi 16:01:01 Hi 16:01:55 Hello 16:02:02 hi 16:02:26 lets throw some current events out there, we're pretty tx_extra / nft heavy right now? the next release limiting tx_extra is imminent (on track for being tagged today) and out gitian builders will be right on it verifying hashes (thank you) 16:02:42 s/out/our 16:03:50 anyone wants to listen to a monerotopia overview of the situation : good watch, features someone claiming to be ofrnxmr - Monerotopia [How Monero devs will respond to NFTs](https://yewtu.be/watch?v=sMixnK8FM_g) 16:03:50 16:05:13 feathewallet.org updated.. p2pool hardforked woop woop , aand https://gupax.io/ - [monero-bash](https://github.com/hinto-janai/monero-bash/releases) updated too by hinto-janai 16:05:44 do our mobile wallet friends have any updates to announce? how is stack wallet going , i read something about a weeb mode 16:05:51 P2pool hard fork left behind a bunch if miners. 16:05:52 Please everybody update and spread the news 16:06:06 Stack Duo Diego Salazar: 16:06:28 Yeboi 16:06:58 Hopefully for iOS soon. Just received an app rejected this morning form apple cuz they wanted to know the difference between Stack Duo and Stack Wallet. 16:07:04 ofrnxmr[m] miners left behind are still mining valid Monero blocks and getting payouts, so it's not critical 16:07:16 I explained. Lower attack surface and stuff. Hopefully that'll go through now. 16:07:51 nice, wishing you the best with that 16:08:14 For everyone else, Duo and Stack are the same codebase. Duo is BTC + XMR only 16:08:54 i watch this short clip made by Lovera every morning whilst eating breakfast [Monero in every corner of the world](https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/11vmidi/monero_in_every_corner_of_the_world) - [Lovera](https://nitter.it/BTClovera) 16:09:02 Love it ^ 16:09:12 ft a clip of geonics movie 16:10:42 AcceptXMR was funded since the last meeting also BusyBoredom is working away at milestone 1 šŸ«” has the tasks organised nicely on his github https://github.com/busyboredom/acceptxmr 16:11:19 i doubt we'll have enough time to discuss today but there was a 'rust' monero payments/business/invoice idea posted today, perhaps they could build upon acceptxmr 16:11:42 Bulletproofs++ went to funding wat ? 16:12:17 Bp++ ccs was moved to funding after the MRL meeting 16:12:48 Do we know who will be reveiwing bp++? 16:12:57 121/130 already - the next MRL meeting on wednesday will be discussing another paper too, exciting times for the MRL - options are wide open. CypherStack will be performing the peer review on that paper* 16:13:06 Almost fully funded, and I believe it was funded with outside money. Have not confirmed 16:13:14 that paper=bp++ 16:13:28 the general fund has not even had time to donate 16:14:18 kuno.bitejo.com new fundraising platform (some sus things there at the moment, but amazing work from anarkiocrypto to get it up and running) 16:14:38 The code was released as well iirc 16:15:10 yep all open source 16:16:04 News: [Monero Observer](https://www.monero.observer/) - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) - [The Monero Standard](https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard) - [Monero Moon](https://www.themoneromoon.com/) for other news sources 16:16:26 shall we jump into the ccs ideas? anything else on your minds? 16:16:51 Hi everyone 16:16:53 Majesticbank has been down for some days. Elitewallet as well 16:17:40 ofrnxmr[m]: Just coincidence 16:18:00 yes, since the 19th march i believe, apprently 'updating' to a DEX šŸ¤” waiting on updates about their status 16:18:43 MajesticBank @MajesticBank:libera.chat: please confirm 16:19:24 oh just wanted to plug jeffro256 , making all kinds of pull requests to help speed our Monero experience up 16:19:46 plowsof11: They must be either exit scamming some people or testing in production. 16:19:46 They were up on 22nd and went down on 9th confirmation for this person 16:19:46 https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/121cu1v/sent_xmr_to_majesticbank_now_cant_reach_site_or/ 16:19:49 Molly IM proposal update regarding wallet SDK has shifted the scope of the ccs. Im not sure where to go with that. 16:19:50 in tandem with jberman and rbruner 16:20:56 the dev of valldrac has been active / working on the SDK , available to questions and also consultancy for the serpahis migration team 16:21:08 ^ right 16:21:46 endor00: has no updates for solopt work uhm 16:21:46 Regarding Molly, I wonder what we are tonexpect from molly 16:21:46 SDK sounds like standalone ccs 16:22:30 Cant be mad when the project manager was paid to leave the project in shambles 16:22:36 yes the sdk looks good, created in a modular way from scratch, alot of benefits to the existing tech 16:23:06 And cost and scope of SDK, imo, should be separate from Molly 16:23:42 we can revisit that , the update of molly was just a 'tell all' update of where theyre at. they will continue to work on the ccs , just progress has been slow 16:24:18 lets jump to the merges, quickly glossing over this one which was closed 16:24:26 b. [Computational work for OSPEAD parameterization](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/375) 16:24:26 16:24:26 Isthmus has closed the ccs citing 'not enough Q2 bandwidth' as one reason but will continue contributing to OSPEAD on weekends (full comment here https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/375#note_20926 ) 16:24:31 Animated videos project has halted ****** 16:24:58 c. [dangerousfreedom - wallet development 2](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/377) 16:24:58 this proposal is contributing to the seraphis wallet migration efforts. I've raised some concerns in the comments about the original idea / DF's previous ccs. the proposal has now been adjusted and obtained approval from the creator of seraphis koe and migration coordinator Rene. 16:25:25 So were closing, paying out 9xmr and I propose we repurposed the remainder at a following meeting 16:25:48 the no wallet left behind meetings can make the final push for that as they have more people attending involved 16:26:32 Agreed that no mrl / dev should give the final OK on dsngerousfreedom's ccs 16:26:48 ok yes, onto the video ccs as above ^ 16:26:49 d. [Draft: New Animated Video series future](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/379) 16:26:49 savandra has confirmed in the ccs comments that its over. but open to returning to compete with others willing to take on the ccs. full details here: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/308#note_20952 16:27:07 monerobull also comments for paying 9xmr and closing 16:27:53 i agree with this also, there was talks of splitting payouts etc for dsmlegend but, for simplicity , 9xmr to savandra and close is the easiest. they are 'sticking around' to compete also 16:27:57 Hello 16:28:47 closing and paying 9xmr (decide what to do with the remaining funds later meeting) yes/no 16:29:29 plowsof11: Yes 16:29:30 The ccs is 9xmr = 4minute video. 16:29:30 Video 1 is 2 minutes, but the scripts (10% if the ccs aka 4.5xmr) for all 5 were finished. So imo paying 9 is accurate and fair 16:29:47 (Yes) 16:30:28 Yes and hoping someone picks it up, the animations & scripts were so promising 16:30:39 Not really 16:30:39 for the record, the leftover is 36 xmr 16:30:54 i agree, close 16:31:33 consensus is clear to close and pay 9xmr , moving on? 16:31:48 Yes sir. 16:31:58 e. [P2P Publisher - Monerotopia Mexico City](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/380) 16:31:58 i've seen this topic discussed here already. we've been given a dealine by the proposer to get it funded soon, so we need to look and vote merge/close as the next meeting is after the deadline (3 days). Lovera shared that they will be attending MoneroTopia too! 16:32:16 IMO close. Childish ccs 16:32:17 Close 16:32:22 close 16:32:51 Consensus šŸ‘ 16:33:18 its jut not feasible , even if it was a good proposal we all liked - to get it to funding before the deadline 16:33:28 > <@plowsof:matrix.org> e. [P2P Publisher - Monerotopia Mexico City](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/380)... (full message at ) 16:33:32 The proposer "doug doesnt like me and I have nothing to do with monerotopia" but will use monerotopia to get funding 16:33:48 Monerotopias name* to get funding 16:34:06 That was the cherry on top 16:34:26 also, we also have 36 xmr in an abandoned outreach ccs , something to discuss at another meeting 16:34:46 And like 240 overfunded 16:34:48 plowsof11: And about overfunded projects? 16:35:06 ofrnxmr[m]: Yep 16:35:11 ive listed a few proposals here we shold be able to tackle https://github.com/plowsof/ccs-wip-list/issues 16:35:30 Wait. Where is plowsof update 16:35:35 Did he close out ccs? 16:35:53 yes ccs coordinator was closed out and moved to completed yesterday 16:36:14 Volunteer šŸŽ 16:36:18 we can get to this (overfunded also) after the next 2 proposals 16:36:37 plowsof11: Thank you 16:36:39 im seeing consensus for closing the monerotopia / advertising proposal 16:36:51 Confirmed. Close 16:37:10 f. [Maintaining flatpak package](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/381) 16:37:10 im not sure BigmenPixel can make it today but is currently researching milestone 1 (will ask them to mark it as a Draft) : basically the build takes longer than a 6 hour limit - they're investigating a fix atm, but want to hear how people feel about flatpak? and having a trusted/maintained Monero-gui on the core monero repo? 16:38:13 I would like for milestones to be broken up in a feasible way 16:38:24 Monthly etc 16:38:40 Or quarterly 16:39:00 quarterly sounds better yes 16:39:13 do we know what flatpak is? 16:39:30 Otherwise ccs looks good to me 16:39:31 ive used it before, handy for noobs to keep monero-gui updated 16:39:40 Flatpak is important for easy updates for grandma 16:40:08 3.5xmr will pay for the investigatoins/implementation to get it @ monero core , then only monero approved persons can make changes 16:40:56 Yes, first step is to have it a verified Flatpak 16:40:57 Flatpak is a nice extra sandbox for apps and a way to avoid f--king up your machine with depedencies 16:40:58 And have it hosted on getmonero instead on flathub similar to obs 16:40:59 BigmenPixel is honest and wants to be certain its possible before considering moving it to funding , just wants thoughts 16:41:02 thanks for the comments 16:41:52 the less times we have to reset the 0 days since 0.17.3.2 counter the better 16:41:53 IMO, quarterly (so he doesnt have to wait for payment) and its fine 16:42:12 plowsof11: Did a quick research and as a complete Linux noob it seems pretty good & user friendly. If it's a "secure" way to install monero, then I am all for it šŸ‘ 16:42:30 Perhaps also write guides 16:42:40 ill be following up with him / trying to help if possible - and share when any progress is made for step 1 16:42:49 docs are always good yes 16:42:55 So users know the Flatpak is available, official and recommended 16:43:23 there is a guide on... kicksecure? which recommends to use flatpak (thats the main reason for the ccs really, as whonix has discontinued support for the monero packages, and points users to flatpak) 16:43:54 hinto shared news of that in a monero-gui issue, and then a user on here told us about it 16:44:03 ideally each release should be reviewed in some way before labeling it verified 16:44:20 although that seems like more work for other people so... 16:44:22 Verified = it builds out of the Getmonero tagged releases 16:44:29 Monero-project*** 16:45:23 if we could find a debian trusted maintainer that would be perfect 16:45:23 and no need to trust 1 person didnt change something 16:45:24 apt repos would cover debian, ubuntu, tails, etc 16:45:33 Instead of where most flatpaks are submitted to flathub by "anyone", this ccs will bring the Flatpak into the core repo 16:45:36 the current debian monero-gui is still 0.17.x.x iirc 16:45:50 Debian maintainer stopped maintaining 16:46:03 Flatpak is easier to keep updated as well, for the maintainer 16:46:22 that was for whonix's custom apt repo 16:46:57 IIRC, the issue with Debian & Whonix was basically that released are out-of-phase, they can't deply important wallet updates quickly. Yes? Flatpack would help with that a lot 16:47:07 s/released/releases/ 16:47:18 * IIRC, the issue with Debian & Whonix was basically that releases are out-of-phase with Monero's, they can't deply important wallet updates quickly. Yes? Flatpack would help with that a lot 16:47:35 * IIRC, the issue with Debian & Whonix was basically that releases are out-of-phase with Monero's, they can't deply important wallet updates quickly. Yes? Flatpak would help with that a lot 16:47:41 Same with Tails 16:47:56 (Tho I don't think Tails supports Flatpak) 16:48:17 bigmenpixel has been keeping the flatpak already updated for over a year also, seems like we 'like the idea of flatpak' and suggest changes to the milestones + possible extras (docs) 16:48:30 quarterly 16:48:46 moving on 16:48:59 thanks for comments btw^ 16:49:06 g. [v1docq47 - monerokon 2022 (part 2) and monerotopia 2023 voiceover and working on xmr.ru](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/382) 16:49:06 seens to have been working away on their current ccs, updates can be seen in comments here https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/343. just for visibility/transparency, there has been a slight rate/hour increase from 10$ to 14$ per hour, from 28~ to ~30 hours per week. 16:49:44 formatting^ the previous proposal was stagnant for a long time because we couldnt find any Russians to provide feedback - but when moved to funding , it was funded quite quickly 16:50:20 I will be glad to answer your questions 16:50:48 in recent days weve had some RU users on here too, can only point them xmr.ru / the xmr.du yotue channel 16:51:13 so its making my life easier at least 16:51:36 v1docq47[m]: You've been doing this work for years, man. Inflation happens to us all. 16:52:43 The thing is, the Russian market is not very active HERE. But if his proposals are being funded organically, I see no issue with the price. 16:52:43 Would be nice to have Russian users chime in 16:52:44 Yes, Russian users wrote to me. Basically, these were questions about RU blocking localmonero 16:53:15 it was posted 3 days ago, like the last one, ill try to point russian users there to give feedback 16:53:24 thank you v1d , 16:53:32 how do russian users buy monero without localmonero ? 16:53:47 But barring translating Russian feedback, id move it to funding and see how if they want to fund it 16:53:54 this will be helpful for Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk when being asked angry questions 16:54:10 All communication of the Russian-speaking segment of Monero takes place in our telegram group 16:55:08 directly in the group and through RU exchanges 16:55:26 can i confirm that RU people can actually 'get' monero? xD 16:55:26 ofrnxmr[m]: Iā€™m speak Russian, and I can confirm that in Russian telegram Monero group is active 16:55:42 Lovera what 3 letter agency do you work for , you speak too many languages sir 16:55:55 Language barriers and internet censorship are a real issue with Russia. Even though its new, id move it to funding. 16:56:27 plowsof11: For XMR 16:56:47 hahah good answer 16:56:50 , Yup :) 16:57:17 Work isnt set to start til may 16:57:27 thanks i will point them in your TG group direction 16:58:07 Yes, there is some work that I did not include in CCS 16:59:06 0 wait a week 16:59:06 1 merge 16:59:06 2 close 16:59:27 0+ for feedback 16:59:29 2 weeks** 16:59:42 its only posted 3 days ago 16:59:48 My issue with feedback is its russian 17:00:13 0 i think 17:00:28 How do we reach out, if not via VDO? 17:00:28 will try to shill it to every RU user i see 17:01:23 Almost out if time. 17:01:23 Monerod updates coming soon. Keep your eyes open 17:01:50 AOB 17:02:04 Help with the gitian builds if you are available after tagging 17:02:26 the other ccs idea posted today https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/383 Oceanus ERP Software for Small Businesses . will need to check those pdfs 17:02:33 https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/contrib/gitian/README.md 17:02:37 for next time 17:02:55 its not gunna be morbin time for long šŸ’¢ 17:03:02 Thank you plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: 17:03:12 i skimmed the pdfs 17:03:13 seemed pretty interesting 17:03:22 AOB - monerokon CFP submission deadline 3rd April 17:04:11 also i QUIT f' you all for ruining my life, see you next meeting ā¤ļø 17:05:02 3 months of 2022, 3 months of 2023 17:05:18 Next time you need to specify which year you'll do the 3 months in 17:38:12 Be sure to check tx volume today 17:38:25 Looks like 80% of volume is nfts 17:39:41 (Probably closer to 50%) 17:48:45 i forgot to mention the overfunding of proposals - what to do with the excess, sorry Lovera - giving it to the proposer spread out over the milestones (minus 'gas' fees) was suggested. also, putting it all in one pile and paying for other things like audits. 17:53:26 if you are a victim of overfunding gate - perhaps a 12 month deadline to come forward to make a claim to your funds - after that - to be decided (i have +1 xmr to gain from this so i cant really give a non-biased suggestion) 17:58:50 Maybe use it to match donations to CCSs in funding required for a while. Get things funded twice as fast for a bit. 17:59:11 Overfunded proposals should noted 17:59:40 Say koe is overfunded, and has another ccs coming 17:59:43 We can roll it over 18:00:36 There are certain proposals that continue month to month like Monero Observer or even Feather Wallet, developer work, etc... It could be used to fund future proposals from the proposer I.e 18:01:43 I am referring to proposals that have been overfunded and that it is known that there will be another proposal of the same kind proposer 18:02:44 12 months seems like a long time... 3 months maximum and then it could be donated to other proposals of interest such as audits. 22:47:32 NotMtth: hey, you there? 22:53:25 https://xmrposter.club/notice/ATz4KfK5TcZySEX0D2 22:53:25 Wondering the bottom comment 22:59:34 "There are certain proposals that..." <- I agree. Extra MO CCS funds can go to audit/research/dev-security/other proposals of 'high interest' or to my future proposals if nothing requires additional funding at that time, up to the community.