12:52:52 <plowsof11> added a table to the overfunded list (not yet reviewed) so we can see it easier https://github.com/plowsof/scrape_ccs_fr and put up a an issue for discussion reg 'what to do / pros cons' https://github.com/plowsof/scrape_ccs_fr/issues/2
16:02:22 <monerobull[m]> Make it the yacht fund
16:02:28 <monerobull[m]> Uh I mean dev fund
16:03:23 <monerobull[m]> Tbh i don't really want to see it go to general fund
16:04:16 <monerobull[m]> If it were earmarked as a monero dev fund, exclusively reserved to pay for dev proposals in the future, I'd be less anxious about funding bullshit proposals
16:05:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think everyone is ok with using the funds to donate to proposals directly from community > community 
16:05:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Community funding fund
16:07:45 <plowsof11> are these new suggestions i.e. - the overfunding is the communities and not the proposers - or is this 'what to do with the funds no one came for after x months' (theres some pros/cons to think about)
16:07:56 <monerobull[m]> It's obviously not the proposers
16:08:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Community can decide whether to fund a proposers _later_ proposal.
16:08:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> But overfunding goes towards future ccs, even if not the proposers  
16:09:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> No "claiming what I didnt ask for"
16:09:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> 130xmr = 130xmr
16:09:30 <monerobull[m]> Save it as rainy day dev fund that Auto-Top ups real, monero-dev (not something monero related, specifically Monero software) proposals after like 30 days
16:09:40 <monerobull[m]> For the time when our whales die out
16:11:20 <plowsof11> Loveras proposal for example - page broken for 3~ days. "obviously" not the proposers?
16:11:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just make a note of how much comes from each type of proposal 
16:11:57 <monerobull[m]> plowsof11: And? 
16:12:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> 130xmr = 130xmr
16:13:23 <monerobull[m]> Are viewkeys for proposals public?
16:13:30 <plowsof11> yes 
16:13:41 <plowsof11> the only obvious thing is to go by the rules and donate to the general fund
16:13:48 <monerobull[m]> Then every donator technically can verify themselves beforehand 
16:13:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: No
16:13:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Obvious is to change the rules
16:13:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> And dont donate to gf from ccs
16:13:58 <monerobull[m]> Yes
16:14:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Donating to gf from ccs is asinine 
16:14:31 <monerobull[m]> These fund belong to the ccs
16:14:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ccs funds are for all sorts of proposals, and are managed by community 
16:16:08 <monerobull[m]> General fund is like a weird shadow account. Don't want to see obvious ccs funds vanish into that 😅
16:17:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> CCS funds are 100% accountable. (Thanks plowsof)
16:17:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> In real time, all the time
16:18:22 <plowsof11> we need to define the strategies 
16:19:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also need some red tape etc.
16:20:02 <plowsof11> rolling over - where the overfunded goes to the persons next ccs and saves the community money?
16:20:17 <monerobull[m]> No
16:20:21 <monerobull[m]> Too messy
16:20:28 <nioc> the general fund does contributes to many CCS proposals  
16:20:31 <nioc> they have donated way more than the current overage is
16:20:52 <plowsof11> i agree, has fairness issues
16:22:24 <monerobull[m]> nioc: I'd only consider putting it into the gf if it's real easy to ban it from donating to certain proposals 
16:22:46 <monerobull[m]> For example 25k for a short film .-.
16:23:04 <plowsof11> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/11fslu9/monero_general_fund_transparency_report_march_2023/  Using the GF, the agreed policy of the Core Team is to support CCS proposals considered fundamental to the Monero project: development of the core Monero software, key research pieces (ex: Seraphis), and key community-organised events such as the annual Monero conference.
16:23:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> GF only donated to dev ccd
16:23:06 <monerobull[m]> But the gf so far has just donated seemingly randomly 
16:23:17 <plowsof11> lets not act like the GF donates to movies
16:23:25 <nioc> monerobull[m]: don't think that they have funded any proposals of that type
16:23:32 <monerobull[m]> I'm saying it should never ever be allowed to
16:23:34 <plowsof11> only vip dinners but thats besides the point sirs
16:23:42 <nioc> monerobull[m]: sure
16:24:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> But the problem with only donating to dev ccs, is bF are limited in his power because he could be cancelled for paying one dev more than another 
16:24:38 <monerobull[m]> plowsof11: Kek
16:24:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Even of the money sits and rots for s rainy day, thats better then giving to generalfund 
16:24:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> On the rainy day, we will be there.
16:24:46 <nioc> they usually donated a certain % of the proposal
16:25:15 <monerobull[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Specific dev emergency top-up fund would prevent that
16:25:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Right. Scammer does 150xmr and gets 15 for free because bF cant say FUCKING SCSMMER
16:25:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> I can say it though 
16:25:37 <monerobull[m]> monerobull[m]: With votes
16:25:50 <monerobull[m]> Should we bail out this proposal? 
16:26:07 <monerobull[m]> It's been stuck on 60% for a month
16:26:15 <monerobull[m]> Also saves us money
16:26:22 <plowsof11> the only proposal that was stuck in recent times was animated videos 
16:26:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> And it helped raise the community fund fund
16:26:53 <monerobull[m]> Since the dev emergency fund would only ever pay out after a considerable amount of time 
16:27:01 <monerobull[m]> plowsof11: We can't rely on that forever 
16:27:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> We should have goals and ideals for the fund 
16:30:23 <monerobull[m]> My goal and idea: use the funds to establish a backup dev-only fund so monero development can continue smoothly even during hard times should donations become more and more scarce in the future. Relying on "so far everything was funded" is not a stable model.
16:30:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> It shouldn't be empty unless after an emergency. but we also shouldnt hold more xmr than necessary at any given time. I think once accumulating to x amount, we should adjust so that we fund more ccs more often etc.
16:30:24 <plowsof11> just send me my xmr so i can decide to re-donate it to others / myself and take the morale high ground 
16:31:08 <plowsof11> establishing another fund/wallet sounds like 'someone needing more things' :'(
16:31:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not another fund 
16:31:12 <plowsof11> needing to do*
16:31:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just a spreadsheet 
16:31:20 <monerobull[m]> Earmarked 
16:31:31 <monerobull[m]> Yeah
16:31:31 <Lovera[m]> monerobull[m]: There are 2 GF wallets, we can use one as DEV Fund 😅
16:31:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wait
16:31:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Whats the first one for then?
16:31:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Haha
16:31:54 <monerobull[m]> Fluffy
16:31:59 <monerobull[m]> Yacht fund
16:32:00 <plowsof11> first one is checkings account 2nd is savings
16:32:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Um
16:32:13 <Lovera[m]> Ups 🤭 FBI open the door
16:32:38 <plowsof11> savings/overflow (as GF1 keys are shared with interpol agents)
16:32:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats purse*, plowsof. Or bra. I dont remember
16:32:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Account" is taboo
16:33:18 <monerobull[m]> Huh
16:33:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rename "account" to purse or bra vote a few weeks back
16:33:48 <monerobull[m]> Oh bcs seraphis 
16:33:55 <monerobull[m]> ?
16:33:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah
16:34:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Blame seraphis 💢
16:34:25 <plowsof11> yes^ ok well weve got some thoughts here
16:34:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> * I blame seraphis 💢
16:35:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Community being powerless to help financially = lmao 
16:35:22 <plowsof11> as long as i look good after it, e.g. wow plowosf you earned the project 243 monero you are really cool , i dont mind
16:36:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Say we do get hit with some criticsls that wipe out hackerone 
16:36:48 <plowsof11> the "plowsof fund" ? im thinking we could sponsor monerokon out of it (and get me on a banner)
16:36:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or the old saying "we dont have the budget of other crypto projects"
16:37:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah
16:37:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Call it
16:37:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Ofrnxmr - by plowsof"
16:37:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> * "Ooo we are Ofrnxmr -
16:39:15 <plowsof11> Rucknium thoughts? 
16:39:15 <monerobull[m]> No need
16:39:16 <monerobull[m]> We just annexed majestics dono
16:39:38 <monerobull[m]> We just take their spot and replace it with a group photo
16:39:38 <plowsof11> there are some people in the ' it is the proposers money because x y z lets talk camp ' they should also give some input 
16:40:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> A) toss is in the bin (gf)
16:40:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> B) its our money
16:40:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> C) its the proposers
16:40:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> C is an instant no from me
16:40:14 <plowsof11> gatekeepers stealing my 1 monero ^^^^
16:40:22 <monerobull[m]> C is the worst one 
16:40:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> 130xmr = 130xmr. Not your neros
16:41:08 <plowsof11> but theoretically B could bleed into C 
16:41:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> No
16:41:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> And example of c would be observer 
16:41:44 <plowsof11> v1do (russian translations) has erm, a small stack of monteros there 
16:41:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> A rolling ccs that often goes over.
16:41:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> We would not donate to this ccs 
16:41:54 <plowsof11> dangerousfreedom has 9 with an upcoming ccs e.g.
16:42:17 <plowsof11> both have ideas open 
16:42:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> And they should both raise their proposals 
16:42:44 <nioc> send to hackerone?
16:42:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> And after gf, 30 days, and review, we decide if it needs to be topped up or left to continue to raise funds 
16:43:07 <nioc> also I don't use a purse or a bra, $$ is under my mattress
16:43:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> nioc: No. Send hackers to us
16:43:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> For extra pay
16:43:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> I have no money
16:43:33 <nioc> :(
16:44:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont expect a lot of money to come from overages.
16:44:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> And until we reach x xmr, we shouldnt be donating unless necessary.
16:45:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Example. An emergency fund should be at minimum 2 weeks of income, and better, 6 months of living expenses
16:45:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> You sjouldnt be spending money unless you have an emergency fund 
16:46:08 <monerobull[m]> 10x150x2 = ~10 devs for 6 months 
16:46:41 <monerobull[m]> Or 5 for a year
16:47:10 <monerobull[m]> Idk, how many do we have that regularly request ccs?
16:47:40 <chesterfield[m]> The extra money should go to ccs management fund
16:49:52 <Rucknium[m]> <plowsof11> "Rucknium thoughts?..." <- I have an overfunded CCS, so CoI
16:49:54 <plowsof11> me too, and theyre stealing our money
16:49:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ruck, you can speak on it 
16:50:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> After you make your point, i'm say COI COI COI IGNORE RUCK
16:51:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> (/s) observer has commented, and as it currently is, those funds were lost to the void
16:51:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> The proposal is to keep then in the void, but to make sure they can be used for good purposed 
16:52:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Plowsof probably could have scraped up those cookies and ran away and nobody would have noticed 
16:52:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> dangerousfreedom:  any thoughts? 
16:53:33 <Rucknium[m]> After my BCH Flipstarter was funded someone asked if they could still donate. I said "yes, to the recipient address (me)" and I got the funds.
16:53:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anybody who ever had or will have proposal has the same COI.
16:53:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cant just exclude them from the chat 
16:54:39 <monerobull[m]> Rucknium[m]: Wo kommern denn da hin?
16:55:17 <monerobull[m]> "your ccs counter didn't update as quickly as mine, you got money for free by scamming the community, unfair"
16:56:43 <dangerousfreedom> ofrnxmr[m]: Sorry, I didnt follow the conversation. I will read it in an hour or so.
16:57:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> NP. Context "what to did with overfunded xmr from ccs"
17:03:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rule /expectation #2 for donors... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/344f0fabff6d018a577ace510d291385f69a9150>)
17:07:29 <rbrunner> Now you get creative
17:07:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not creative, I just improve upon foundations build by others 
17:11:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> A further explanation of the yacht fund can follow
17:11:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> explaining that yacht = emergency, and until we track yacht status (5*dev/per), the fund will be for emergencies only. 
17:11:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rough draft 
17:11:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Until we reach* yacht status
17:20:16 <plowsof11> donate all to hacker one, minus plowsofs 1 xmr to be used for gas fees - the general fund donates to vital things , has 8k+~xmr buffer . we have also never had a struggling (vital) proposal that needing topping up (in which case the general fund would help), so the funds will definitely lay dormant for a long time (if the past is a good judge for the future) - less work for us also 👀
17:21:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Only think I know about hackerone is out angry ooo
17:21:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Our*
17:22:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Out fund would of course be ready and willing to support hackerone (and the devs fixing issues) 
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17:23:07 <monerobull[m]> our yacht
17:24:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Keeps us honest too
17:24:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Ofrn, please. Just get them to send me some"
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17:25:03 <monerobull[m]> this isnt helpful at all
17:27:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ask it who the admin is
17:27:49 <plowsof11> we already have a group called MAGIC who have meetings to discuss what to do with their fund 
17:28:20 <monerobull[m]> the proposals we get are worse than the ccs
17:28:27 <nioc> lol
17:28:46 <nioc> oh look money, let me get some
17:29:00 <monerobull[m]> "hey, can you fund our centralized exchange and also give us 35k$ for free to bootsrap our liquidity?" 
17:29:06 <plowsof11> rayatina will bring some new talent in 
17:29:08 <monerobull[m]> we didnt even have 35k in our fund lmao
17:29:38 <plowsof11> MAGIC have 50k right now i believe , wassup 
17:29:48 <monerobull[m]> i have a spreadsheet somewhere
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17:30:33 <monerobull[m]> ofrnxmr: 
17:30:47 <monerobull[m]> plowsof, under which authority do you speak if the ai deems you as "just another ccs leech"
17:32:18 <plowsof11> i work for Plowsof Devices , will create an invoice shortly 
17:32:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ask it about me 💀 "I dont know anything. Please change the subject" 
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17:32:58 <plowsof11> im tellin' ya, we dont want no fund / meetings to decide extra things 
17:32:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Chatgpt is about to be like "ofrnxmr is aka 16 ALTs"
17:33:23 <monerobull[m]> TEN THOUSAND EUROS
17:33:24 <monerobull[m]> for the mental damage of dealing with the ccs
17:33:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> For 3 cough 12 months
17:34:08 <plowsof11> how many bags of merch is that 
17:34:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1
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17:34:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cant even submit your movie for that much.
17:34:53 <monerobull[m]> wow, plow made profit
17:35:22 <monerobull[m]> is ptsd treatment really just "heres a 500$ injection of drugs that will make you feel good"
17:36:07 <monerobull[m]> ok offtopic sorry, im adding to plowsofs trauma. (gotta get our moneys worth though)
17:36:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Chatgpt thinks im ooo
17:37:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> I couldn't find any information about Plowsof and Ofrnxmr being the same person. However, I found that Ofrnxmr is a Github user with a homepage at https://github.com/nahuhh (github.com). Ofrnxmr has contributed to Monero by submitting important PRs 7760 and 7999. Plowsof has created a CCS coordinator proposal (ccs.getmonero.org).
17:37:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Even called "my" prs important 💀
17:37:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Doxxed
17:43:09 <monerobull[m]> it said i contributed to monero
17:43:31 <monerobull[m]> but i just forked the repository and did nothing with it
17:43:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im using Bing Skype gpt btw
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17:45:08 <monerobull[m]> fuck the feds are onto me
17:45:15 <monerobull[m]> also, im not important 😭
17:46:27 <Lovera[m]> Autor of overfunded proposal can determine where to send the fund (other proposal) but can’t send to yourself…
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17:47:07 <monerobull[m]> Lovera[m]: pic related
17:53:06 <dangerousfreedom> Lol, nice discussion.
17:53:06 <dangerousfreedom> Seems to me that the best option is to give it back to the general fund since they manage and pay the proposers properly so they deserve to keep the exceeding amounts. But then I don't really know how this fund is managed also so my opinion would be useless. :p
17:53:23 <dangerousfreedom> What I think that would be nice though is to change a bit the format of the CCS so it could be more anonymous and direct so these problems would be avoided in the following scenario: if ccs proposers let an address for direct donations and at end of a determined donating period he comes out and say if he 1) will do the proposal with the funds received regardless of amount 2) wait for a another determined period  3) cancel
17:53:23 <dangerousfreedom> it.
17:53:54 <dangerousfreedom> Just an idea. For the moment, I would put the exceeding funds into this funding that is managed by the community.
18:22:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> generalfund is managed solely by binaryfate, with, I assume, input from core, but is opaque 
18:25:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its also against CCS rules to include an outside donation address in the proposal, because if you dont need ccs you shouldnt be using it.
18:25:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kuno.bitejo.com etc can be used to raise funds beyond the proposal 
18:30:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> It is already in the rules that the proposer has to right to these funds.
18:30:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> The main change here, is "do we put them into gf and leave ourselves toothless by centralizing all financial power?" Or "do we can fund development when gf is busy buying monero.com and giving refunds"
18:32:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> <Lovera[m]> "Autor of overfunded proposal can..." <- I think leaves coi.
18:32:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Author of course gets to join the convo, but cant just pay your buddies repeatedly 
18:42:16 <dangerousfreedom> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> It is already in the rules that the proposer has to right to these funds.
18:42:16 <dangerousfreedom> > 
18:42:16 <dangerousfreedom> > The main change here, is "do we put them into gf and leave ourselves toothless by centralizing all financial power?" Or "do we can fund development when gf is busy buying monero.com and giving refunds"
18:42:16 <dangerousfreedom> Then I would go with the second one :)
18:44:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> DF reads the find print
18:44:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Hey... this says 'yacht' fund?? "
18:44:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/find/fine/
18:49:10 <dangerousfreedom> Yeah seems less centralized and organic
18:50:08 <dangerousfreedom> Btw my dream is to leave in a sail boat and play with monero the whole day :p
19:00:23 <monerobull[m]> >play with monero
19:00:24 <monerobull[m]> >chan
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19:02:36 <rbrunner> Monero Chan NFT collection when?
19:03:04 <rbrunner> That would at least have a snowball in hell's chance of taking off, contrary to the current garbage
19:03:24 <dangerousfreedom> s/leave/live/
19:04:35 <monerobull[m]> rbrunner: we have one
19:05:04 <rbrunner> On which chain?
19:05:09 <monerobull[m]> https://mordinals.org/item/144
19:05:13 <monerobull[m]> https://mordinals.org/item/145
19:05:17 <monerobull[m]> monero chain :D
19:05:24 <monerobull[m]> https://mordinals.org/item/148
19:05:29 <monerobull[m]> https://mordinals.org/item/150
19:05:56 <monerobull[m]> https://mordinals.org/item/155
19:06:07 <rbrunner> Ah, yes, some of them even censored now I think. But we need a nice series.
19:07:10 <monerobull[m]> nah i think the monerochans arent censored
19:07:10 <monerobull[m]> https://mordinals.org/item/265 this one is
19:08:11 <rbrunner> That even fails to display in two different browser for me lol
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19:08:20 <monerobull[m]> wtf is this trash
19:08:25 <monerobull[m]> were up to 21112 morbs now
19:08:31 <monerobull[m]> rbrunner: it doesnt
19:08:33 <monerobull[m]> its censored
19:09:09 <sech1> What' the point in NFT collection where two different pictures are so similar they're almost... fungible :D
19:09:12 <rbrunner> I think at least at one time there was proper "censoring", aka pixellating to make it unrecognizable
19:09:44 <monerobull[m]> huh
19:10:11 <monerobull[m]> ive only seen non-censored and censored aka gone like people in china who critizice the government
19:10:52 <rbrunner> What we have now looks like a bug because you don't see the frame with the ordinal info either, but you still should.
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19:12:02 <monerobull[m]> this is so stupid
19:12:28 <monerobull[m]> Rucknium: has the chain already shown irregular growth thanks to morbs?
19:13:03 <Rucknium[m]> In a few hours I will post preliminary stats to #MRL
19:13:08 <Rucknium[m]> In the past 72 hours the mordinal minting has spiked
19:13:16 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Bloatware
19:13:42 <rbrunner> You can always make it even more stupider. Like I mentioned this morning, give an NFT collection a name of "GooGirls". Try to google that, you will see what I mean
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19:14:50 <rbrunner> Yes, these.
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19:14:54 <monerobull[m]> at least what i dumped on the chain was optimized to the max and semi-relevant to monero
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19:15:23 <monerobull[m]> > 
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19:15:23 <monerobull[m]> you should check out monerosupplies.com
19:15:24 <monerobull[m]> or morbinals.org
19:15:42 <Rucknium[m]> FWIW, I think the mordinals minting is less volume than the July/August 2021 tx volume anomaly.
19:16:03 <monerobull[m]> but its way more data right
19:16:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah, they arent using rpc
19:16:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just homers bird 
19:16:41 <monerobull[m]> binance should try and learn something from the people that create 20k outputs to mint nfts
19:16:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> If they use rpc they can flood 600mb in a few mins
19:17:16 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Bsv 6gb block size required
19:17:33 <monerobull[m]> i resynced my docker node today
19:17:52 <monerobull[m]> i got 2.5 blocks per second 
19:17:52 <monerobull[m]> i feel like it was much faster before
19:18:25 <Rucknium[m]> It is probably more data on the chain. On privacy, less impact, depending on how you look at it. The 2021 incident did not identify its own tx on chain. If you were the tx creator, then you would know which outputs were "marked". But there may be  away to guess with high probability which of the 2021 incident txs were the "flood" txs.
19:18:36 <rbrunner> If you are past the most recent checkpoint it gets that slow
19:19:13 <RavFX> No need 6GB BSV block. If they put 600MB worth of TX in a few minutes, the fees will cover the difference for the penality of mining block bigger than the current limit
19:19:36 <Rucknium[m]> The 10 block lock makes it harder to flood txs. Just a little harder. The tx creator has to plan
19:20:08 <monerobull[m]> binance cant even keep withdrawing open
19:20:21 <monerobull[m]> i doubt some rando can efficiently spam the chain
19:20:31 <RavFX> It's Binance lol
19:20:49 <RavFX> They dont keep the withdrawing open for totally different reasons
19:21:22 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Depends if they care about losing money. They could just spammer
19:21:29 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Whether it will affect anything is diff story
19:22:27 <rbrunner> I think the worst thing they can do is making us so angry that we hardfork. They have to be at least a bit careful
19:22:47 <rbrunner> Or making the situation so dangerous that we are forced to hardfork
19:25:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> <Rucknium[m]> "The 10 block lock makes it..." <- 10 wallets, split 1/16 tx to morbinal wallet
19:26:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> 160tx/send = 16000mb/10min if each of those wallets only had 1 input to start 
19:27:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> 160 potential morbinals* per cycle
19:27:39 <Rucknium[m]> mb=morbinal[mordinal]?
19:28:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Morbinals.org
19:29:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Abs because the morbs are self sends, you can repeat until you deplete all funds
19:30:45 <monerobull[m]> Rucknium[m]: morbs
19:30:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> They use default fees, so maxing the txpool > users end up having to raise the block size = cost of spam goes on real users > block size grows
19:40:59 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Testing dynamic block size?
20:39:23 <ceetee[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> A) toss is in the bin (gf)... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/a965cd80c8078cc86348ca616a13fd6256ae507f>)
20:40:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Part 1.
20:40:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Keeps us honest"
20:41:07 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Sort of safe guards against doge proposals going to funding
20:41:16 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I know seth doesnt really like it and sort of likes dev tax
20:42:23 <DanIsnotthemanBr> He spoke about it on monero talk
21:06:42 <monerobull[m]> ok and
21:06:51 <monerobull[m]> seth is a Traitor™
21:30:46 <RavFX[m]> Seth went in the crypto space initially, for the money, he said that himself in one of his last monero post.
22:09:57 <blankpage[m]> Putting it all into HackerOne seems somewhat sensible to me
22:10:52 <blankpage[m]> Because the most critical dev work to fund is bugfixes for some deadly vulnerability
22:11:28 <blankpage[m]> Unless monero hackerone is already well funded or is dysfunctional in some way?
22:12:08 <NotMtth[m]> https://xmrposter.club/notice/AU3QsxtvswcNXjtj6W
22:15:35 <nioc> blankpage[m]: haven't looked in a while but there was some discussion some months ago and it's balance was relatively small
22:15:53 <nioc> I have no clue how much should be there 
22:16:32 <plowsof11> will ask about hackerone balances. i think im safe in saying under 1000xmr 
22:19:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hackerone is a desert
22:19:46 <blankpage[m]> It should be of the same order size as the IRS bounty 
22:20:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> This fund isnt hackerone or generfund "nobody cares or knows about, where devs go tonstarve"
22:20:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> We'll obviously cover hackerone discrepencies 
22:20:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ooo, for example, was rather displeased with hackerone 
22:21:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> I think like 10k for criticals? Lmao
22:21:48 <nioc> CCS to fund hacker1 wen?
22:23:43 <blankpage[m]> Are you saying that because "ooo" was unhappy then this is a sign that more funds are needed for hackerone? Or something else? 
22:26:09 <plowsof11> what if the hacker one ccs fund stalled and required the entire 243 overfunding budget 
22:27:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im saying hackerone doesnt have enough to do anything 
22:27:29 <nioc> blankpage[m]: I believe others were as well but no remedy was suggested
22:27:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> And there's no move from anyone to do anything about it
22:27:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nobody cares, because "not my problem" 
22:27:55 <nioc> just pump price 
22:28:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or we can continue to do what we do and raise money
22:28:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Unlike what hackerone does
22:30:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> I know everyone likes to be cute 
22:30:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> The little monero that tried 
22:30:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Out budgets are laughable. Quit playing games
22:31:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Write good code, terrible with finances 
22:31:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> With using finances for growth*
22:32:36 <blankpage[m]> "3 Reports received in the last 90 days" on hackerone
22:33:37 <plowsof11> report 1/3 ' If the url is g3tmonero dot com, users can be tricked into downloading mallicious binary, can i have 10kusd '
22:34:01 <blankpage[m]> I can't find a way to see how much is in the hackerone fund. But anyways, if the fund is low then I would much rather just send the overpayments to HO rather than try to come up with some complicated process for dispersing the funds.
22:38:02 <blankpage[m]> Is this page still maintained/accurate?
22:38:06 <blankpage[m]> https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/87597/monero-bounty-for-hackerone
22:38:37 <blankpage[m]> It is linked from here 
22:38:38 <blankpage[m]> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/blob/master/VULNERABILITY_RESPONSE_PROCESS.md
22:38:58 <blankpage[m]> But I was under the impression that forum.getmonero.org was dead
22:40:44 <blankpage[m]> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org:  is this a whole new world of abandoned project?
22:40:44 <blankpage[m]> https://forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progress
22:41:38 <plowsof11> i identify as forum dot getmoneor agnostic
22:42:23 <plowsof11> hard ware wallet :)
22:43:36 <plowsof11> afaict the forum is unmaintained for years, and exists as an archive
22:43:37 <blankpage[m]> I'm guessing that all those "in progress" forum funding projects where somehow resolved during the move to the CCS
22:43:40 <bridgerton[m]> <PeculiarProductions> hello