10:31:33 <Lovera[m]> 🕸️🍃🍃🌾
10:31:56 <Lovera[m]> AFK
11:04:32 <plowsof11> meeting in 5 hours nooooooo https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/819 
11:10:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> i2p android nodes coming soon #2yrs
11:10:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> jeffro's pr needs review and merging to release 
11:12:21 <dani-g5x[m]> Monero-gui fails to compile on clang.
12:08:46 <selsta> dani-g5x[m]: it does not
12:09:09 <selsta> you have to post a build log with more information
12:10:02 <selsta> we build the macos gui with clang and there are no build issues with latest master
12:13:41 <dani-g5x[m]> selsta: I didn't specified that I'm on musl
12:13:44 <dani-g5x[m]> Musl-llvm
12:15:00 <dani-g5x[m]> I kinda already solved by using flatpak
14:00:36 <plowsof11> hello 👀
14:01:00 <plowsof11> is anyone around for a meeting https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/819 
14:04:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> hi
14:04:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> is it time?
14:04:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2 more hrs right?
14:05:18 <plowsof11> you're right 
14:05:50 <plowsof11> it's 14:00UTC 
14:06:18 <plowsof11> what i meant to say was, "meeting in 2 hours" yes, i definitely was doing that
15:10:26 <Lovera[m]> 👋🏻
15:25:35 <Lovera[m]> Wait
15:25:44 <Lovera[m]> Meeting in 30 minutes?
15:25:56 <plowsof11> yes xD
15:25:56 <Lovera[m]> 🫣
15:26:55 <Lovera[m]> Lol 😂
15:27:24 <Lovera[m]> I was thinking: where has everyone gone?
15:59:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> ill be here in spirit
16:00:08 <michaelizer[m]> lol
16:00:12 <plowsof11> time for the 3rd meeting today https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/819 ok thanks ofrnxmr 
16:00:21 <plowsof11> hello everyone
16:00:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> grumpy hello
16:01:10 <ceetee[m]> hello
16:01:32 <Lovera[m]> Hello 👋🏻
16:01:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> happy holidays evrryone 
16:02:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> glsd you could dedicare your lives, unlike the traitor. lets get this started
16:02:30 <plowsof11> so the next release of Monero which limits tx extra is ready, thank you to those that have done the gitian hashes thing and made pull requests here: https://github.com/monero-project/gitian.sigs/pulls the maintainer TheCharlatan is on holiday so cant merge anything atm. Core team are aware, when binaryfate is available he can push selstas release notes/announcement to getmonero / update the downloads page 
16:03:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> would be nice if people can run it and report back if any issues at all
16:03:23 <hinto[m]> hello
16:04:01 <plowsof11> in my peer list atm , i see 18 public rpc nodes that have updated
16:04:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> what?? should be 19 now
16:04:52 <plowsof11> i have limited outreach, maybe it will see yours soon, thanks
16:05:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> im always connected to you 😈
16:05:40 <plowsof11> so the mordinal devs have nerfed their front end page. if you dont use their updates software (and pay a high fee) your morbinal wont be displayed 
16:06:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> TBD release of fork that adds functionality back
16:06:53 <Lovera[m]> Excellent 💪🏻
16:07:07 <plowsof11> Rucknium of rucknium.me shared the latest stats (showing a dramatic decrease of mordinals on the blockchain... its basically over before we even had a chance to get the limited tx extra update out 2023-04-04 Updated Mordinals volume data: https://gist.github.com/Rucknium/67cc9efdf7e43a40c52417611b322d43 )
16:07:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> over >> taking a break >> trust me, i promise
16:07:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> wait til payday
16:08:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> 4xmr isa lot of money yknoe
16:08:41 <Lovera[m]> Monero is not for NFTs… that was just a “Temporary trend “
16:08:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> but yeah. "they turned it off" fornow
16:09:11 <Lovera[m]> But it’s good to have ready solutions.
16:09:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> was never a trend, has always been an exploitabke exploit
16:09:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> just someone pissing all over your blockchain saying"i can"
16:09:37 <plowsof11> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8815 Jeffros pull request here is an attempt to remove privacy concerns of using bogus coinbase decoys (or only using coinbase decoys when spending those) - needs review / data to see the implications of this 
16:09:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> im also running this on mainnet
16:10:06 <GorillaQuest[m]> all my homies dislike coinbase
16:10:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> and im not seeing any issues. you need to use the updated wallet as well
16:10:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> imo its a big uograde over the ststus quo
16:10:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> jeffro256:  ty for looking into this
16:11:08 <Lovera[m]> plowsof11: Niceee 
16:11:28 <plowsof11> it should help increase the effective ring size of a monero transaction (a chart can be found in this comment from Rucknium) https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/109#issuecomment-1387504724
16:11:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> basicsllt my rings are 90+% 2 outs now
16:12:26 <plowsof11> we're closer to 15 than we where after the p2pool hardfork.. hopefully this improves it further 
16:12:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> much much closer ❤
16:13:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> chainalysis punching air
16:14:20 <plowsof11> - 92.221xmr donation to the general fund https://nitter.monero.fail/WatchFund/status/1642419180124135425 😮 AOB?
16:15:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> always nice to see someone that cares
16:15:07 <plowsof11> ah new release will be deployed on Monday* 
16:15:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> nice
16:15:19 <nioc> \o/
16:15:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> new release doesnt inckude jeffros pr
16:15:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> i wish it did 😆
16:16:00 <nioc> relax, we went from ring size of 7 > 11 > 16
16:16:03 <Lovera[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Need review
16:16:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> nioc: went from effective 7 to 7 to 10
16:16:32 <plowsof11> iirc it needs statistical analysis to be performed on over 100k transactions using the patch xD
16:16:33 <Lovera[m]> nioc: Slow but safe
16:16:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: not reallt
16:16:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> maybe to prove how much better
16:17:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> not to prove that is IS better
16:17:15 <plowsof11> we tried to release a chainsplit last week, lets take it slow 
16:17:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lovera[m]: unsafe
16:17:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> ring size bumos were akways a response to inadewuacies 
16:18:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: hey, i tested it on testnet #not
16:18:14 <nioc> we should change from esperanto to ofrnxmr
16:18:26 <plowsof11> bumps / inadequacies (cant even type inadqequ.. with a keyboard) 
16:19:17 <plowsof11> can jump into the CCS ideas unless we've missed something 🤔
16:19:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> first
16:19:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> bp++ 14th still?
16:19:51 <plowsof11> yep, no further updates there
16:20:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> that ccs might move before we come back? or not sure 
16:20:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> ok
16:20:32 <plowsof11> that was the self imposed target, i have not much faith 
16:20:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> ok thanks
16:21:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> new ccs ideas?
16:21:27 <plowsof11> will just go through the list starting with:
16:21:39 <plowsof11>   a. [dangerousfreedom - wallet development 2](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/377)    
16:22:26 <nioc> seems that people are satisfied with the changes 
16:22:33 <plowsof11> DF is away for april , the original proposal was changed after issues where raised, now koe gave it the thumbs up (ive deferred my vote to him) and has been discussed in a 'no wallet left behind' meeting 
16:22:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> no wallet /mrl should decide on thr scope and acceptance 
16:23:20 <nioc> both koe and rbrunner now approve 
16:23:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> lm voting: merge as soon as relevant parties ok it
16:24:35 <Lovera[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Agree 
16:24:43 <plowsof11> i vote , tell mrl we're merging it (so people are pushed into feedback if they disagree)
16:24:55 <plowsof11> then merge it during the week xD
16:25:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> no need for further approval from us imo.
16:25:14 <plowsof11> okay
16:25:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> its up to them
16:25:42 <plowsof11> agree
16:25:46 <plowsof11> b. [Add maintaining-flatpak-package.md](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/381)
16:26:15 <MajesticBank> hm this one is important
16:26:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> few flatpak issues
16:26:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> the build steps are basicallt centralized not on our repo
16:26:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> better than current behavior, so still a go ahead
16:26:55 <nioc> please add rule that the proposer doesn't up or down vote their proposal or the comments on it
16:26:56 <plowsof11> theres some back and forth in the comments there, as i was unsure about what milestone one would actually get us. BigmenPixel  has improved the workflow build and explained to me that , the monero-gui repo , will build and push flatpak files directly to flathub. 
16:26:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> but id like to look into the possibility of hosting our own flatpak repo with reproducible builds 
16:27:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> nioc: no
16:27:09 <MajesticBank> wait for proof of concept + cryptographic assurances ?
16:27:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> i like seeing the weirdos that do it
16:27:23 <nioc> :)
16:27:41 <plowsof11> the artifacts / hashes we see here flatpak hashes https://github.com/BigmenPixel0/monero-gui/actions/runs/4643408350 will appear on your machine, when installing monero-gui through flatpak (they will be seen on the official monero-gui repo) 
16:28:00 <MajesticBank> nioc: there are few ccs rule need changing but it's complex process I guess
16:28:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> i think some research is needed on the hosting of our own repo
16:28:48 <MajesticBank> why actions are not run from monero-project github ?
16:29:08 <plowsof11> there will be no 
16:29:14 <plowsof11> uhm this repo https://github.com/flathub/org.getmonero.Monero will no longer exist (so im told)
16:29:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> flathub, at a deeper look, seems to be a good but not ideal option 
16:29:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> MajesticBank: flathub rules i guess
16:29:34 <plowsof11> monero-gui repo will push directly to flathub (and hashes can be confirmed)
16:29:39 <MajesticBank> pay the guy for his code / scripts / actions anyway
16:29:44 <monerobull[m]> is there a meeting here
16:29:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> 5 years of people rewuesting reproducible buikds 
16:30:19 <plowsof11> i have only found this information out 1 hour ago, so i need to be certain myself whats going on
16:30:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> monerobull[m]: nope. were just trying to enjoy the holiday but thersles some sort of gathering here 
16:30:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof told me thrre was lunch
16:30:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> i think he lied
16:31:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> ill stry to help look into the flatpak stuff as well, but imo rstes chsnge (up) if it involves deploying our own repo
16:31:58 <MajesticBank> i think this distribution needs to be really tight and verified, so let's wait on this one
16:32:26 <MajesticBank> i still would donate if someone can continue debian repo, apt-get install monero was amazing
16:32:27 <plowsof11> yeah, i only wrapped my bran around the process an hour ago
16:32:33 <plowsof11> brain*
16:32:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> gui is already in flsthub though, so current situstion is no better
16:33:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> but yes, i agree but i do think there might be another or s different first milestone in  the final ccs
16:33:39 <MajesticBank> i saw flatpak is California based company, not sure are there any privacy implications there
16:34:06 <plowsof11> monero-gui repo runs a workflow, and spits out artifacts (app.flatpak files) - these same files are pushed to flathub - which we install through flatpak - we can compare hashes shown on the monero-gui workflow run - so there is no doubt (ONLY if github collude with flathub)
16:34:08 <hinto[m]> MajesticBank: agree
16:34:20 <hinto[m]> it would affect all downstream distros as well
16:34:22 <hinto[m]> e.g ubuntu mint
16:34:32 <plowsof11> bigmenpixel has been maintaining flatpak monero-gui for 2 years~ now 
16:35:17 <plowsof11> and finding out 'wtf is happening with the debian/whonix maintainer' is on the todo list 
16:35:27 <MajesticBank> we might not see monero wallet in whonix / qubeos without debian repo, other distros affected too
16:35:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> i was thinking maybe shorten the ccs to 3 months, with a new ccs for the repo later
16:36:25 <MajesticBank> and there might be a deal with another privacy coin, so need to consider wider picture on this one
16:36:43 <MajesticBank> *might* *possible* *future*
16:36:56 <plowsof11> at the moment - users can confirm hashes that are @ monero-gui repo , so at least we have that
16:37:26 <plowsof11> there will be another meeting next saturday, so we can investigate further 
16:38:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> so the plan to do xyz_ might be a wate of time. can just keep maintaining as is an then do the repo (?)
16:38:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> thoughts for next week
16:39:02 <plowsof11> i just know that "verified" status on flathub is a myth/placebo - "verified" for the monero community is something else, that im trying to ascertain 
16:39:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> yeah, blue twitter check
16:39:35 <plowsof11> BigmenPixel: has responded to my questions / been busy setting milestone one up for a while now, so thank you
16:40:02 <MajesticBank> verified is when you have plowsof police that download package every minute and check the hashes from 3 different servers
16:40:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> we'll figure it out
16:40:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> whats next?
16:40:28 <plowsof11> next saturday discuss it again 15th with more info/questions in between. also whats going on with debian 
16:40:41 <plowsof11> yes a script to DL and confirm is possible / raise alarm 
16:41:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> i mean, next on meeting agenda :P 
16:41:22 <plowsof11>   c. [v1docq47 - monerokon 2022 (part 2) and monerotopia 2023 voiceover and working on xmr.ru](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/382)    
16:42:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> no further feedback from russia, i say merge
16:42:18 <plowsof11> the last time v1do put a proposal up - we delayed it for weeks to get feedback, then put it to funding. he;s been doing this for years, and i already see some positive feedback coming in. not sure why we would delay now
16:42:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> yeah, merge it
16:42:55 <plowsof11> merge from me also
16:42:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> its a proposak that is repeatedly funded by, i assume, russians
16:43:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> even if they dont comt o #conmunity and make me use a translator, someone is supporting the work consistentky
16:43:56 <MajesticBank> there is not much feedback from the community tho
16:44:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> were not russian
16:44:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> i csnt tell you anything abiut the quality of output
16:44:29 <MajesticBank> can anyone else comment? I need to get into loop on this one, was thinking it's 18 utc today
16:44:41 <plowsof11> XD
16:45:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> consensus merge?
16:45:11 <plowsof11> v1do wont start work until start of May? hasnt finished his current ccs 
16:45:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> 0 abstain
16:45:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1 close
16:45:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2 merge
16:45:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2
16:45:48 <BusyBoredom[m]> Merge
16:46:58 <plowsof11> 3 - the meeting didnt happen as its a holiday , lets come back next week xD
16:47:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: yep, but he doesnt get paid til may either. no reason to wait to raise funds
16:47:12 <MajesticBank> option 3 wait ?
16:47:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: merge it smh lol
16:47:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> wait for what, russians?
16:47:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> like waiting for mj tk be honest
16:47:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> theyve never ckme before
16:47:51 <plowsof11> wait for me to make a sock account and say thanks 
16:48:06 <MajesticBank> I know someone from xmr.ru, will invite him here
16:48:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> i need time to downvote with socks 
16:48:16 <MajesticBank> he is owner of monero.net I think
16:48:49 <michaelizer[m]> Is there another channel apart from #xmr.ru:matrix.org ?
16:49:15 <michaelizer[m]> It seems kinda dead even though it has +1000 members 
16:49:20 <MajesticBank> they are very active on telegram
16:49:28 <plowsof11> i will follow that up majesticbank (for some extra feedback) - its just a song and dance before merging it 
16:50:01 <plowsof11> yeah they have a ru telegram 
16:50:15 <michaelizer[m]> MajesticBank: I thought it was the same, do you have the link to that one by any chance? 
16:50:22 <MajesticBank> https://t.me/xmr_ru_news
16:50:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> i wonder how hard is is for vdo to be 9 russian alts
16:50:43 <michaelizer[m]> Thank you 
16:50:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> its not animated videos, nor a meth drinking movie
16:50:56 <MajesticBank> they have active weekly news, there is link to channel in description
16:51:08 <plowsof11> https://web.telegram.org/k/#@XMR_RU also?
16:51:39 <MajesticBank> when I read comments on the proposal, last two, they are too fishy, nothing else
16:52:11 <plowsof11> yeah just make like, 4 ish more sock accounts and say thanks then we can merge 
16:52:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> who's funding them? not anybody we know
16:52:23 <michaelizer[m]> plowsof11: Thanks, lol I saw lovera commenting in Russian 🔥
16:52:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> waste if time trying to block it
16:52:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> until someone shoes up with proof, the ccs is as good as its always been 
16:52:53 <plowsof11> luigi is slow so we can block it inadvertently until next saturday 
16:53:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> im just saying im wasting my tkme voting yes 3 times
16:53:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> like, just fkn merge kt
16:53:40 <Lovera[m]> plowsof11: Sorry, we are about v1docs? Proposal? 
16:53:44 <plowsof11> yess
16:53:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> meth movies grt merged on a casual tuesdag
16:54:07 <plowsof11> lovera says yes for the third time today also 
16:54:09 <Lovera[m]> I think merge…
16:54:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> ty lovera 👍
16:54:52 <plowsof11> this meeting consensus is merge moving on 
16:54:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> rent free, no thanjs
16:54:58 <Lovera[m]> michaelizer[m]: Yeah!! Sometimes I check their community 🙂
16:55:10 <plowsof11> sadly i have no idea what this is   d. [Oceanus ERP Software for Small Businesses](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/383)    
16:55:26 <plowsof11> hinto: and BusyBoredom have left some feedback on the ERP proposal 
16:55:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> er.. same, i didnt even look at that one yet
16:55:48 <plowsof11> its not something we can just have a quick look at , and ive not devoted much time into researching it
16:56:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Siren: 
16:56:25 <plowsof11> will definitely do that before next saturday, but, my initial impression from the feedback is "cant ya just use an existing thing and add monero to it instead of using your custom made thing"
16:56:36 <MajesticBank> bump for next week ?
16:56:41 <plowsof11> ye
16:56:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> it uses moneropay?
16:56:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> but costs more than moneropay ccs?
16:57:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> yes. bump for nxt week
16:57:18 <Lovera[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Mmmm 
16:57:29 <plowsof11> " Moneropay API or the AcceptXMR library "
16:57:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> thats just as bad
16:58:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> acceptxmr was 44xmr
16:58:22 <plowsof11> its not "sexy" to promote .. needs a long study, but my initial impression is "nah" but i dont think im fully informed 
16:58:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> im again, not commenting on the proposal thus week.
16:58:46 <plowsof11> yep
16:58:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> need to actually look first
16:59:00 <MajesticBank> let's not be gatekeepers, but a shapers, maybe this can be POS solution for shops / restaurants
16:59:07 <MajesticBank> different interface w/e
16:59:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> we'll look into it and see
16:59:31 <plowsof11> will follow up with the proposer ye
16:59:35 <BusyBoredom[m]> I think it would be much cheaper and more beneficial to integrate monero into an existing ERP like odoo. 
16:59:59 <plowsof11> nice feedback, lets end on   e. [koe seraphis ongoing support](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/384)    
17:00:08 <plowsof11> no idea, but i say merge 
17:00:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> i vote close
17:00:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> jk.
17:00:42 <plowsof11> i read the title and im voting merge 
17:01:13 <plowsof11> koe will be holding a (hopefully) monerokon talk about "Build a demo for a secure and efficient escrowed market using Monero 2-of-3 multisig with the seraphis library." 
17:01:16 <MajesticBank> this sounds interesting
17:01:17 <MajesticBank> Build a demo for a secure and efficient escrowed market using Monero 2-of-3 multisig with the seraphis library.
17:01:19 <plowsof11> which is funded by this ccs
17:01:25 <MajesticBank> yep
17:01:34 <Lovera[m]> MajesticBank: Amazing 
17:01:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> merge it
17:01:54 <plowsof11> the #monero-events:monero.social team are yet to confirm his talk but he has submitted the proposal 
17:01:54 <Lovera[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: +1 
17:01:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> koe is essential to other ccs
17:02:24 <BusyBoredom[m]> ERPs are not like payment gateways where businesses add new ones periodically. Businesses generally use only one ERP, and that ERP becomes very core to their day-to-day functioning. It's not customer-facing, it's business management software. 
17:03:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> they shoukd come to communitt dev and expkain why
17:03:14 <MajesticBank> On the point of monero payment gateway, I think it's waste of time making monero specific gateway, but rather approach different vendors to add monero into existing solutions
17:03:18 <plowsof11> thank you BusyBoredom for the vital feedback 
17:03:24 <MajesticBank> like blockonomics and such
17:03:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> meeting done? ty bye everyone
17:04:11 <Lovera[m]> Can I continue with my whiskey 🥃?
17:04:29 <michaelizer[m]> Lovera[m]: It's semana santa ffs
17:04:56 <Lovera[m]> By the way, today I take out the last video for tomorrow or the day after tomorrow to give my report
17:05:07 <Lovera[m]> michaelizer[m]: Yeah!!! 🥃🙏🏻
17:05:11 <plowsof11> yep meeting over! thanks for joining, happy weekend everyone sorry for dragging you here! MajesticBank yes a monero specific gateway does lack appeal to alot of merchants who want to accept every payment method under the sun
17:05:37 <MajesticBank> Lovera[m]: nice !!!
17:05:54 <plowsof11> they still have their place though. nice one Lovera !
17:06:24 <MajesticBank> https://www.blockonomics.co/, non custodial payment gateway, should be working with monero easy, crazy amount of vendors are using this one
17:10:00 <plowsof11> what about https://bitcartcc.com/ which has monero support
17:10:30 <plowsof11> multi coin / non custodial but ive never used it 
17:11:56 <BusyBoredom[m]> Monero needing a private key to scan transactions really throws a wrench in the works when trying to integrate it into most multi-crypto gateways. We always need our own backend in one form or another. 
17:18:56 <MajesticBank> couldn't it verify incoming tx with view_only wallet ?
17:18:56 <MajesticBank> the service
17:20:24 <BusyBoredom[m]> That's what I mean, view only wallets in monero require a private view key. Most crypto payment gateways assume you can read transactions without any private key, so the integrations can get ugly. 
17:24:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> built for transparent chains
17:25:06 <BusyBoredom[m]> Not that it's impossible, bitcartcc looks like they did a great job with it. I'm just commenting on what the hard part is. 
17:25:06 <BusyBoredom[m]> You mentioned blockenomics for example, and my understanding of their service is that they would have to hold your private view key if they were to add monero support. That's a deal breaker in my eyes. 
19:33:00 <Siren[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "but costs more than moneropay..." <- Moneropay had no ccs
19:33:42 <Siren[m]> And I deleted Metronero's proposal
19:34:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> i meannnnn its using your sw
19:34:39 <Stnby[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "but costs more than moneropay..." <- moneropay never had and never will have a ccs :D
19:35:13 <Stnby[m]> but we would not refuse a % of that amount as a donation if they used it :D
19:35:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> 100% *talks into pinky
19:36:17 <Siren[m]> Metronero should be "fully functional" by next week also
19:43:13 <Siren[m]> Maybe someone can recommend a web based wallet?
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19:44:56 <Siren[m]> I'd love to get a Monero wallet running on thus
19:44:57 <Siren[m]> s/thus/this/
19:45:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> any cli?
19:45:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> like, will it run mymonero?
19:45:59 <Siren[m]> Yeah got a terminal emulator but I'd prefer an app
19:46:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> mymonero > lws
19:46:10 <Siren[m]> Anything web based I can most likely port to kaiOS
19:46:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> i think MM has a webwallet, and ram etc shoukd be good because lws
19:48:57 <Siren[m]> Hmm also I only have 512M RAM
19:52:44 <Siren[m]> 400 something left for apps*
20:16:03 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Unused ram is wasted ram!
20:19:08 <Siren[m]> So true
20:19:17 <Siren[m]> Must bloat
20:22:23 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Tx_extra style
20:46:53 <MajesticBank> https://twitter.com/MyMonero/status/1644784676983169024
21:01:50 <Siren[m]> I won't be buying monero through MyMonero
21:01:53 <Siren[m]> So I don't really care
21:02:21 <plowsof11> is their twitter compromised or 
21:02:28 <Siren[m]> But yeah bullshit post lol
21:03:05 <Siren[m]> "Financial freedom is a human right, and KYC does not rob you of that."
21:04:01 <Siren[m]> They're saying KYC is to protect the company from being scammed? Lol can't be more wrong.
21:06:05 <plowsof11> "It is clear that storing your Monero coins within the MyMonero wallet would give you the highest level of financial privacy possible "
21:06:36 <plowsof11> can chatgbt please fact check this article
21:08:25 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Bingai
21:08:41 <plowsof11> ok , well, its a marketing post to promote the fact that "you can buy monero inside MyMonero with credit cards" nothing else to see 
21:09:18 <DanIsnotthemanBr> With coinbase ex????????!!?!!
21:09:32 <Siren[m]> Shitty ad
21:09:45 <plowsof11> third party - but do not worry - they do not share your info with my monero!
21:10:21 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Put the bait and “click”
21:10:26 <plowsof11> the picture of the banana phone Siren - are you on the international space station or an aeroplane 
21:10:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> mymonero knows i knows i talk shit abiut them
21:11:12 <Siren[m]> plowsof11: ISS
21:11:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> i make one recommendation and they embarrass me
21:11:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> i guess.. dont use mymoneros web wallet :) lol /s
21:15:40 <endogenic> you guys talkin smack about my ex?
21:29:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> your ex is on twitter making a fool of herself
21:30:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> kyc is nonsense
21:30:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> they ask for far far more thnan is reasonable
21:31:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> selfies, voice, ?? eff your keanu shilling monero videos
21:32:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> i gave yas my id and all that good stuff
21:32:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> now you want nut shots
21:33:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> whats next, they want to sit on mytoilet? share dinner? borrow my wife? what do they need for me to prove im still me
21:33:23 <jeffro256[m]> "It is clear that storing your Monero coins within the MyMonero wallet would give you the highest level of financial privacy possible" What is this garbage? What happened to the times when MyMonero made sure to tell its customers outright that it could see your incoming transactions? 
21:33:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> moreso than i do when i renew mt kicense or buy a house
21:33:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> mymonero is protected
21:34:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> they can go shill janets latest thing and their honeypot still gets special treatment around here
21:34:35 <endogenic> mytoilet.com
21:35:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> i dont swim in your toilet, please dont pee in my pool #mymonero
21:36:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> but yeah. i dont like the "we pretend like mymonero is monero" angle around here
21:36:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> i dont know about know, but mymonero at one point want even a free service
21:36:56 <endogenic> what does that even mean? It was such a massively community oriented project. Who is basically the only one
21:37:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> and set different fees on the tx
21:37:08 <endogenic> it was*
21:37:22 <endogenic> fees thing was just an oversight
21:37:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> its a third party layer
21:37:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> its not monero aka the blockchain
21:37:43 <endogenic> no, it's not
21:37:56 <endogenic> absolutely is Monero code otherwise it wouldn't be able to submit transactions
21:38:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> it is lol. that server intrracts with monero
21:38:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> not anything the users touch
21:38:26 <endogenic> what you're talking about his factually incorrect
21:38:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> no its not
21:39:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> how does mymonero submit tx after a hf?
21:39:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> wallets work just fine using other servers
21:39:19 <endogenic> yes, it is. There is a ton of xmr code in the client.
21:39:26 <endogenic> you're literally saying nothing of substance
21:39:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> im saying its a honehpot
21:39:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> not a blockchain
21:39:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> and users arent syncing their oen blocks
21:39:51 <endogenic> well, that is entirely besides the point, and I must say it is also apparently your speculation
21:39:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> its abiut as real kf a wallet as binance minus the spend keys
21:40:11 <endogenic> and if you plan to use that as an argument against doing, you're scanning on another server that your client, then you are yet again displaying your agenda
21:40:20 <endogenic> than
21:40:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> sure you dont have spend keys and the wallet sf build transactions
21:40:46 <endogenic> do you have absolutely zero idea what you're talking about. It's a monero cold wallet
21:40:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> my agenda?
21:40:54 <endogenic> dude you
21:41:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> again?
21:41:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> now im confused
21:41:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> what is this agenda
21:41:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> and when was the last time
21:41:24 <MajesticBank> when I first used monero it was mymonero, "monero web wallet" so it's definitely important adoption vector for monero
21:41:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> multiple personalities bbl
21:42:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> endogenics agenda looks like TBD coming soon tm
21:42:21 <endogenic> in many regards, the technology behind the light wallet for Monero is superior to simply scanning on the same device as you are holding your spend key. it at least gives you the option. It is virtually a cold wallet.
21:42:23 <MajesticBank> his agenda is known tbh already, at that time ringsize was optional so you could pick a few I can recall 
21:42:25 <jeffro256[m]> Yeah MyMonero used to have a huge base of community goodwill. It was the go-to wallet you sent n00bies to download 
21:42:47 <endogenic> exactly. And we organized Monero research workshops that we funded out-of-pocket and we made multiple contributions to the codebase and Developer meetings.
21:42:50 <Siren[m]> Yeah hard no from me if they can see my tx
21:42:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> key word, used to
21:42:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> homage paid
21:43:08 <MajesticBank> I see here is now 3-4-5 wallets based on mymonero tech, would be cool to have some transparency around that
21:43:22 <MajesticBank> there*
21:43:24 <plowsof11> fine, i will shill rino wallet https://www.rino.io/ 
21:43:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> why
21:43:38 <endogenic> .bbl
21:43:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> rino shills itself
21:43:41 <plowsof11> it has a better logo than mymonero
21:43:46 <plowsof11> AND 2fa
21:44:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> twitter giveaway
21:44:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> does rino have a mobike wallet?
21:44:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> and does it support lws?
21:44:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> or just more winnie the pooh 
21:45:01 <plowsof11> i see a picture of a mobile on their website - i guess so 
21:45:20 <Siren[m]> plowsof11: Web based?
21:45:25 <plowsof11> yeah
21:45:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> foss?
21:45:58 <plowsof11> its mymonero with a facelift / nice logo / multi sig / 2fa 
21:46:13 <plowsof11> no, not yet, but soon!
21:46:44 <MajesticBank> it works from mobile, I tested
21:47:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> im not hsing a web wallet on mobile
21:47:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> i have termux
21:48:37 <Siren[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: My screen is kinda microscopic
21:48:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> (id use a webwallet on a nokia)
21:48:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> and hence mymonero monopoly
21:48:56 <Siren[m]> Also the term emulator for this device is horrible
21:49:02 <Siren[m]> I'll be making a new one as well
21:49:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> they dont have a place for any rrason other than "options"
21:49:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> how old is that nokia?
21:53:54 <Siren[m]> It's a Nokia 8110 from 2018
21:55:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> ooo a newer one
21:55:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> i still have a nokia from... well it went swimming years ago and still worked the last time i saw it
21:55:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> long before ip68 phones lolol
21:56:05 <Siren[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: I wanted to get into KaiOS/MozillaOS development so
21:56:13 <Siren[m]> Screw android
21:56:25 <Siren[m]> I got almost all the essentials
21:56:27 <Siren[m]> Just missing Monero wallet
21:56:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> android just weakened linux
21:56:43 <Siren[m]> Can't participate in the Monero church without it
21:57:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> just be a brokie like me
22:02:33 <DanIsnotthemanBr> will it work on a 5110
22:20:59 <xmrscott[m]> I still have my Firefox OS phone from circa 2014 lying around somewhere to test Monero web wallets on...