00:53:37 <chesterfield[m]> <plowsof11> "https://www.monerooutreach.org/..." <- I’m actually not sure that arrow is big enough 
03:42:43 <plowsof11> https://nitter.it/MyMonero/status/1646906659522981888
03:42:57 <plowsof11> mymonero said sorry m8s
03:44:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Lol @ second comment
03:44:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Gotta love interwebs
03:47:47 <TrasherDK[m]> Oh no, interwebs is forever. interwebs never forget 🥶
03:57:55 * xmrfn[m] uploaded an image: (188KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/monero.social/ondYBjQbSDHKIZUdtxvAoNxq/roundtable-of-monero.png >
03:58:13 <xmrfn[m]> Love the pic in the comments
03:58:13 <xmrfn[m]> https://nitter.it/pic/enc/dmlkZW8udHdpbWcuY29tL3R3ZWV0X3ZpZGVvL0Z0czRSZ0xYMEFNUDI1Yy5tcDQ=
05:13:09 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Css working group
05:17:27 <DanIsnotthemanBr> * working group meeting
09:24:03 <jus0[m]> Thank you everybody for the resources! 
09:24:54 <steve_coldham[m]> DON'T BE LEFT OUT... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/894b2e536bdc18c2762179afc6c460fbb6683059>)
09:29:54 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Double whammy
09:47:53 <Siren[m]> "too much analysis leads to paralysis" saving this for my financial accounting lecture
11:20:03 <plowsof11> Meeting at 16:00utc here https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/824 , and then a Monerokon meeting at 17:00utc in #monero-events:monero.social https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/821
12:40:55 <plowsof11> thats in 3 hours and 20 mins 😵
12:56:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Events gotta do something about their meeting time
12:57:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2hrs back to back is killer. Any reason ther moved theirs back an hr?
13:02:30 <nioc> daylight savings time 
13:03:33 <nioc> so what do people do with all the light you save up during the year?
13:04:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> make lemonade, id think
13:07:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> I could prabably check a newsletter, but do you know if all meeting adjusted for DST?
13:11:03 <nioc> shrug
13:48:17 <plowsof11> MRL @ 17:00 utc still (as 1 utc will always == 1 utc)
13:48:51 <plowsof11> seraphis still @ 18:00utc
13:53:09 <plowsof11> a +9,+0.1,+0.00681 to the general fund today, based 
14:00:16 <plowsof11> can we not just merge dangerous freedom, koe, v1do, flatpak and link everyone to Ruckniums recent stats and call it a day 
14:05:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> ajs_ @ajs_:matrix.org:  are yall willing to move your meeting back to 1800utc? (Not tiday but future ones?)
14:06:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Seems most other meetings didnt adjust
14:07:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> (Thats a topic for event meeting)
14:12:09 <plowsof11> more detailed stats of flatpak installs from flathub https://klausenbusk.github.io/flathub-stats/#ref=org.getmonero.Monero&interval=infinity&downloadType=installs%2Bupdates
14:17:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Huge volume around HF
14:18:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> And steady growing
14:19:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> And quite a bit more in 2023
14:19:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> ATH!
14:19:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1351 old 1353 new
14:20:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> NGU games that i enjoy
14:20:55 <plowsof11> ah, they are installs and updates (can toggle between)
14:24:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> I broke my cookies (?) now it wont load
14:24:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> S'ok. I dudnt see s***, so we can merge it.
15:04:49 <nioc> so we are moving meeting back an hour starting next meeting?
15:04:55 <nioc> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
15:06:01 <nioc> conflict will last for only a few more meetings 
15:07:18 <nioc> <plowsof11> can we not just merge dangerous freedom, koe, v1do, flatpak and link everyone to Ruckniums recent stats and call it a day <<>> sounds good to me
15:08:29 <nioc> lucky for me that I was able to get out of a 2.5hr meeting on Wed  o_0
15:24:49 <plowsof11> next meeting at 15:00utc has 3 votes, okay
15:26:30 <plowsof11> nioc that means you have 2.5hours + 1 in the tank :D 
16:00:02 <plowsof11> Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/824 
16:00:11 <plowsof11> greetings, hello
16:00:12 <msvb-lab> Hello.
16:00:22 <michaelizer[m]> hello
16:00:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hello
16:00:49 <Lovera[m]> Hi everyone
16:01:07 <plowsof11> lets see how quickly we can end this before the events meeting xD Hi Lovera, nice update you posted recently!
16:01:10 <plowsof11> News: [Monero Observer](https://www.monero.observer/) - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) - [The Monero Standard](https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard) - [Monero Moon](https://www.themoneromoon.com/)    
16:01:54 <Lovera[m]> plowsof11: Thanks 🙏🏻 
16:02:38 <plowsof11> Ruckniums latest report reg mordinals, for your reading pleasure https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/12kv5m0/empirical_privacy_impact_of_mordinals_monero_nfts/ 
16:02:38 <v1docq47[m]> Hello!
16:03:30 <plowsof11> lets breeze through the ccs merge list and swing back to open discussion at the end 
16:03:47 <plowsof11>   a. [dangerousfreedom - wallet development 2](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/377)    Consensus last meeting = MRL/Dev to decide 
16:03:47 <Lovera[m]> Very nice report !!
16:04:08 <plowsof11> no blockers , approvement from seraphis dev / group coordinator , merge 
16:04:23 <hinto[m]> hello
16:05:07 <hbs[m]> hello
16:06:03 <plowsof11> asking amount of 31 xmr too 
16:06:03 <cmiv> greetings everyone
16:06:11 <Lovera[m]> That is… let’s MRL decide what to do with that
16:06:25 <plowsof11> moving on
16:06:31 <plowsof11>   c. [v1docq47 - monerokon 2022 (part 2) and monerotopia 2023 voiceover and working on xmr.ru](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/382)  - Consensus last meeting = Merge
16:07:06 <plowsof11> any issues with merging? 
16:07:32 <v1docq47[m]> I will be happy to answer questions
16:07:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> not from me. Merge
16:07:46 <Lovera[m]> Merge!
16:08:04 <plowsof11> is there a RU community on IRC/matrix or only telegram?
16:08:33 <v1docq47[m]> telegram + matrix bridge
16:09:05 <plowsof11> what is the matrix channel if i may ask, to have it handy 
16:09:57 <plowsof11> (i noticed i went from a - c there)
16:10:29 <v1docq47[m]> https://riot.im/app/#/room/#xmr.ru:matrix.org
16:11:10 <plowsof11> thanks v1docq47[m] will note that down. thnx for your contributions over the years and future 
16:11:39 <plowsof11> so merging, moving on?
16:12:02 <v1docq47[m]> i just do what i love :)
16:12:44 <plowsof11>   b. [Add maintaining-flatpak-package.md](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/381)    Consensus last meeting = Positive votes , Waiting to make a more informed comment 
16:13:47 <plowsof11> stats of happy flatpak monero-gui enjoyers https://klausenbusk.github.io/flathub-stats/#ref=org.getmonero.Monero&interval=infinity&downloadType=installs%2Bupdates 
16:14:26 <plowsof11> BigmenPixel: thanks for the support over the entire time frame 
16:14:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im good with merging for simply continues support and better path thn current
16:16:21 <plowsof11> just a small logistics issue of getting luigi the token for the gui repo 
16:16:30 <plowsof11> then milestone 1 will be completed asap 
16:16:38 <plowsof11> merging 
16:16:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> yeah np looks good
16:17:05 <plowsof11>   d. [Oceanus ERP Software for Small Businesses](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/383)    Consensus last meeting = Integrate into an existing solution / Waiting to make a more informed comment
16:17:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> I havent kept up with this one 
16:17:50 <plowsof11> no comment ~ feedback so far isnt good + i doubt it will improve unless they dont come back with the feedback 
16:18:13 <plowsof11> will let proposer make a comment 
16:18:24 <plowsof11> until then , moving on 
16:18:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2 more wwks0
16:18:44 <cmiv> I proposed this merge request.  Consensus seems to be to make a plugin for the Odoo python ERP instead.
16:18:59 <plowsof11> ah sorry, hello cmiv 
16:19:00 <cmiv> If so, I'll close it and go back to the drawing board.
16:19:20 <plowsof11> seems like a good idea (but dont do luigis job for him)
16:19:39 <cmiv> Either integrate with Odoo or make a web app interface for Moneropay API.
16:20:24 <plowsof11> #moneropay:kernal.eu team have been active recently btw , and the AcceptXMR ccs is on-going
16:22:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: I thins sarcasm. Probably yes close it voluntarily 
16:23:43 <plowsof11> i would say integrating into an existing solution will have more success, thank you for taking the feedback onboard cmiv 
16:24:06 <plowsof11> lets move on
16:24:27 <plowsof11>   e. [koe seraphis ongoing support](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/384)    Consensus last meeting = Merge
16:25:10 <Lovera[m]> Yeah merge
16:25:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> +1
16:27:29 <plowsof11> moving on 
16:27:57 <plowsof11> is everyone sure for not merging the monerotopia p2p idea https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/380
16:28:09 <plowsof11> jut double checking 
16:28:24 <ceetee[m]> 🚮 
16:28:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> The proposer is eben mord childdish in my dms 
16:29:41 <plowsof11> any DM's from proposers after giving feedback (negative or pushing for positive) let us all know , otherwise i will ask chatgpt to make a diss track about it , cus i dont like to hear about it
16:30:16 <nioc> wasn't that already dismissed? 
16:30:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> i dont mind
16:30:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Issue was the fool wanted to act like a fool when his proposal was still open
16:30:33 <plowsof11> yes , by "father time" 
16:30:42 <plowsof11> it just gives me a chance to quickly mention     - Monerooutreach dead? some funding available for revival? https://github.com/plowsof/ccs-wip-list/issues/4
16:31:00 <plowsof11> we can look into this for the next meeting(s)
16:31:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> monero outreach - as in ^ whatever that is, rip
16:31:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero outreach is far from dead though
16:31:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> We just paid to spread a movie actoss usa
16:31:48 <michaelizer[m]> I see lh1008: is in it, maybe ask him if he knows anything 
16:32:05 <plowsof11> thanks michaelizer ❤️
16:32:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Plenty of proposals woukd fall unser outreach, such as the moneotopia one from a few minutes ago
16:32:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> But that 36 xmr, yacht fund it with the 242
16:33:11 <nioc> Cat gets 10%
16:33:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sorry, 33xmr then
16:34:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> But yes, i think that proposal is long dead. Close it
16:34:46 <plowsof11> i also just want to throw some 'brewing' possible ideas that are coming: molly dev to finish / maintain wallet-sdk: needs to be put on the ideas so we can discuss everything in one place. and i was messaged by someone who is interested in making some animated videos (maybe a slightly different idea) for e.g. 1 milestone of the animated videos proposal.... as a test. but, hasn't yet had time to announce. 
16:35:24 <plowsof11> bulletproofs++ author got me on read, 14th was the target for a paper update, lets see what monday is like 
16:35:46 <plowsof11> ANN from majesticbank :   "you can now earn XMR or your favourite currency just by testing our software, exchange, atomic swaps and similar things. more info in the telegram group https://t.me/majestictesters"
16:36:55 <plowsof11> mymonero said sorry, twice now : https://nitter.it/MyMonero/status/1646906169364021250 
16:37:09 <plowsof11> pls forgiv?
16:37:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Forgive but dont forget. I credit them with the retraction, even if it was initially retracted in bad taste
16:38:05 <hinto[m]> speaking of possible ideas, is an alternative monerod frontend something that is needed?
16:38:39 <plowsof11> btw rino is trying to give money away on tweeter competition thing for april https://twitter.com/RINOwallet 
16:39:01 <hinto[m]> i've been wanting to create a more daemon focused gui for a while, something like a control panel
16:39:03 <plowsof11> alternative to
16:39:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> theres a new swap service. Does anybody remember what its called?
16:39:21 <plowsof11> a running stats page? or different
16:39:35 <plowsof11> trocadoriogo
16:39:39 <hinto[m]> alternative to monero-gui
16:39:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: Thats it
16:40:20 <plowsof11> trocador.app and img 
16:40:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anyway, majestics new swap service works like trocador (according to majestic = unsafe), and uses js and cloudflare
16:40:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Shrug.
16:40:55 <plowsof11> https://intercambio.app/ 
16:41:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^ this is the service
16:42:09 <plowsof11> hinto that seems interesting, i believe tobtoht also has a similar goal on their todo list 
16:42:10 <BusyBoredom[m]> Hinto, id post in Monero Community Dev cause I remember seeing someone post there about an existing monerod web UI a while back. 
16:42:13 <plowsof11> or at least to add local node management 
16:42:35 <hinto[m]> i would have thought so
16:42:38 <hinto[m]> many wallet implementations, only 1 daemon
16:42:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> hinto @hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org:  going a but off topic but i dont think i2p-zero should be removed from getmonero.org
16:43:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> I noticed you approved pr, but i2pzero 1. Works and 2. Could / should be replaced if it was to be removed
16:43:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bitcoin still recommends i2p-zero
16:44:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> (replaced with i2pd instructions)
16:44:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is all regsrding the website workfgroup 
16:44:43 <plowsof11> definitely needs to be replaced, and not just removed (wait for the replacement first, better than nothing)
16:45:21 <hinto[m]> i was under the assumption ip2d had taken over as the canonical i2p impl
16:45:54 <plowsof11> i think we can end the meeting there , to allow those who want to attend the events meeting to get hydrated , thanks all for attending 
16:45:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> If so. Replace , not remove 
16:46:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: wait wait 
16:46:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Feel free to go if you need to
16:46:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> but there are a few website knitiatives that need attention
16:46:55 <hinto[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: sounds good
16:47:00 <hinto[m]> not sure if i can change the review status
16:47:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1. Deleting m'onero outreach
16:47:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2. Addind no wallet left behind workgroup
16:47:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> 3...x somerhing i forgot 
16:48:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Both of these were decided without any consult, same as i2pzero
16:49:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont agree with removing outreach
16:49:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> and i dont agree with a "wallet" workgroup. 
16:49:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> a seraphis or a "monero-next" workgroup, ok, but not a wallet one
16:49:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Workgroups arent meant to be short lived. If so, they fall under other workgroups
16:50:00 <plowsof11> we need a -website group meeting 😆
16:50:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> And all of this is -dev 
16:50:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof11: This is it
16:50:31 <plowsof11> back to back to back, the next meeting will be at 15:00UTC 
16:50:39 <plowsof11> now you know why
16:50:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> But yeah. Thats all i have to say. Please keep up with -website
16:51:19 <plowsof11> thanks, yes we also have another ongoing site issue about "what wallets to display" 
16:51:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> So to confirm: our next meeting will be 1hr earlier
16:51:26 <plowsof11> and the requirements for being listed 
16:52:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes yes, that was the other one. 
16:52:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thank you
16:52:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ok thanks everyone listening. See you next time
16:53:30 <v1docq47[m]> Thank for meeting
16:53:38 <Lovera[m]> 👍🏼👍🏼
16:53:45 <plowsof11> there will be a merge bomb coming shortly , please prepare youself
16:54:27 <msvb-lab> Good meeting and great moderation plowsof11, dankon very much.
16:55:01 <plowsof11> thnx msvb-lab
16:55:59 <plowsof11> if n1oc does not report to the community room on the hour, he's getting fired 
17:00:17 <n1oc> v1docq47 - monerokon 2022 (part 2) and monerotopia 2023 voice over and working on xmr.ru has moved to funding! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/v1docq47-monerokon-part-2-and-monerotopia-2023-voice-over-and-working-on-xmr.ru.html
17:00:45 <n1oc> koe: Seraphis Ongoing Support has moved to funding! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/seraphis-ongoing-support.html
17:01:13 <n1oc> Maintaining Flatpak package has moved to funding! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/maintaining-flatpak-package.html
17:01:41 <n1oc> dangerousfreedom - wallet development 2 has moved to funding! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/df-wallet-development-2.html
17:02:09 <plowsof11> thanks nioc, didnt doubt you a second 
17:03:45 <nioc> :)
17:19:03 <plowsof11> reg the -site talk above: here is the PR to "clarify mobile and light wallets section" https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2145/files in essence, reduce the liability of the getmonero maintainers / core for listing wallets there, and opening the door for listing 'more wallets' - can share your feedback ideally in #monero-website:matrix.org #monero-site or on the GH issue itself 
17:21:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> <n1oc> "v1docq47 - monerokon 2022 (part..." <- Isnt this outreach too
17:33:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Prs that need oversight... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/5e33bf5a6809427da2572e63b845aadae80d87a4>)
20:34:56 <plowsof11> dangerousfreedom: ajs has a question reg your presentatoin, (if it could be in a workshop format) pls get in touch thanks
20:59:05 <Nezteb[m]> Is there a big difference between [the "official" Monero GUI](https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui) and ["MyMonero"](https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui)?
21:05:44 <MajesticBank> sorry I couldn't make it today, this is convo with whonix dev, not sure what could I suggest further
21:05:48 <MajesticBank> https://imgur.com/a/Glfsckl
21:07:35 <MajesticBank> stage1 upgrade to site is 80% finished
21:07:40 <MajesticBank> MajesticBank Upgrade Level 2 Swap -> P2P trading 0.15% fee for trading
21:07:40 <MajesticBank> Our swap service is under-going process of updating swap service to p2p exchange platform
21:07:40 <MajesticBank> The process will be completed in 3 Stages
21:07:40 <MajesticBank> Stage 1) Custodial Web wallets for every crypto (Live - Ready for Bete Testers) Deposit / Withdraw
21:07:40 <MajesticBank> Stage 2) Inter-wallet swaps + P2P trading without intermediate and without KYC (Live in 3 Weeks from now)
21:07:42 <MajesticBank> Stage 3) On and off ramp for crypto (Live in 3-4 months from now)
21:07:44 <MajesticBank> As with all custodial wallets, it's advised to store larger amounts of your crypto on non-custodial wallets like https://elitewallet.sc/ or https://stackwallet.com/
21:07:47 <MajesticBank> Swap service remains as is without interruptions.
21:08:02 <MajesticBank> preview below: 
21:08:04 <MajesticBank> https://imgur.com/a/1NKJNkF
21:08:34 <MajesticBank> since Monero birthday in few days, we will make two days fee donation 
21:09:15 <MajesticBank> 17. and 18. so 50% goes to general fund and 50% across 20 xmr donations address we found in the community
21:09:40 <MajesticBank> expectation is that around 12,000 usd will be collected in two days
21:28:05 <BusyBoredom[m]> MajesticBank is this somehow related to a CCS or MAGIC grant or something? If not, my two piconeros is that this is coming across as a pretty aggressive advertisement. 
21:28:05 <BusyBoredom[m]> A link to a blog post in #monero:monero.social would suffice if you're just trying to raise awareness for your business's roadmap and new features.
21:35:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Are you my alt? Nice to meet you 🤝
21:36:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Donation addreses we found and made sure are people were trying to bribe
21:38:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^ i feel like "not a fact so shh"
21:38:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> but. Meh. Im 15 people and on 5 platforms 
21:39:44 <plowsof11> whonix dev recommending his users to install monero from flatpak without a care in the world and acknowledging if flathub* gets compromised then so to the binaries. We're making it better for him (moving it to the core-repo and allowing people to disable auto updates / confirm hashes to those on our workflow build / or build at home) 
21:53:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thank for for `flathub*`
21:53:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> important distinction 
21:54:15 <plowsof11> "17. and 18. so 50% goes to general fund and 50% across 20 xmr donations address we found in the community" 👀 may i recommend rayatina, alpharabius, services4all, bananadonate, moneroarhive 
21:54:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Can you unban alpha?
21:54:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or nvm0
21:54:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ill jsut send majestic his address
21:54:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Majesrix better be careful
21:55:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Going to end up donating to me 20 times 
21:55:31 <plowsof11> i want to do a joke about 'how dare you think you can donate to use without permission, get to the back of the line behind beldex'
21:57:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> I wonder if beldex is still mad at us
21:58:21 <plowsof11> thanks majesticbank for the aggressive donations, 17th , 18th April lets see what happens  escapethe3ra 👀
21:59:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> 17 and 18 fees go to gf 
22:05:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Bankrun
22:41:50 <plowsof11> pluja of kycnot.me has an update / seeking comments for the future direction of the site https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/12nk888/future_of_kycnotme/
23:35:47 <MajesticBank> escapethe3ra never reported any donation so far, we are now "troubled exchange" in his eyes, but it's okay I got used to this
23:36:48 <MajesticBank> if it wasn't someone breaking the CCS rules with no open-source accessible code to everyone I would re-think myself