01:48:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wen majestic.observer
03:08:25 <plowsof11> i recall observer putting some code on a ssh server (i specifically remember a cyberpunkish interface and doxxing my home ip to access it)
03:20:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes, Monero is an open-source cryptocurrency that was launched in 2014¹. The protocol is open source and based on CryptoNote¹. The core implementation of Monero is also open source and completely free to use without restrictions². There are no restrictions on anyone creating an alternative implementation... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/ce1ec7143d2da0f6897599f3900803ef281174c3>)
03:20:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> see paragraph 2
03:25:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> content is cc
03:25:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> website is gpl3
03:25:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> gpt got confused. 3 is the correct link
03:25:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/upsmgy/monero_observer_is_100_open_source_content_and/
14:22:54 <jonjones2000[m]> Hi 
14:23:39 <jonjones2000[m]> Does anyone have experience trading monero on exchanges?
14:23:53 <jonjones2000[m]> More specifically on Dex's like uniswap
14:26:13 <someoneelse49549> Uniswap is for ERC token iirc. You can't find Monero on it since Monero is a cryptocurrenc not a token
14:26:48 <jonjones2000[m]> someoneelse49549: Ah got it.  Thanks.  Is there a dex for trading monero?
14:28:17 <someoneelse49549> jonjones2000[m]: Actually they're all in alpa/beta quality. so not really. If you're searching a way to anonymously swap you can find more on trocador.app or the new Intercambio.com
14:28:39 <someoneelse49549> You can also find an accurate list of all swap on kycnot.me
14:28:50 <jonjones2000[m]> Ok thx!
14:29:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nono
14:29:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bisq
14:30:03 <someoneelse49549> oh yeah
14:30:04 <someoneelse49549> I forgot
14:30:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> jonjones2000: 
14:30:39 <jonjones2000[m]> someoneelse49549: What about bisq?
14:30:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> yes. Bisq.
14:31:02 <jonjones2000[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Excellent.  Easy to use?
14:31:07 <someoneelse49549> Bisq is working you can use it. My brain just forgot it because I was pissed of by the UI
14:31:13 <someoneelse49549> jonjones2000[m]: no imho
14:31:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> eudaimon36:  
14:31:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont use bisq or trade on dex' 
14:31:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Just just buy and use monero 
14:32:00 <jonjones2000[m]> someoneelse49549: But you can swap usdt for monero on bisq and vice versa?
14:32:16 <someoneelse49549> jonjones2000[m]: if someone make an offer yes
14:32:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> have to go throught btc on bisq
14:32:48 <someoneelse49549> ofrnxmr[m]: swap between two crypto aren't allowed on bisq?
14:32:55 <someoneelse49549> * between two (not btc)crypto aren't
14:33:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Haveno was created because bisq doesnt allow direct entry to xmr
14:34:39 <jonjones2000[m]> someoneelse49549: Ah i see so would have to 1) buy btc using usdt then 2) swap btc for xmr on bisq ?
14:34:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bisq.markets
14:35:06 <jonjones2000[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Which do you prefer? Haveno or bisq?
14:35:17 <jonjones2000[m]> Looks like haveno is newer...
14:35:20 <someoneelse49549> jonjones2000[m]: Haveno is not working atm
14:36:25 <someoneelse49549> I mean it's working but there is no release, no offers, its the same ui as Bisq etc... + bugs. This is still a project.
14:37:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Probaby need to use cash to buy btc on bisq
14:37:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> 0 trades on usdt and usdc
14:37:43 <someoneelse49549> Can't he swap from USDT to WrappedBitcoin?
14:37:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> All the volume is on fiat and xmr
14:38:03 <someoneelse49549> lol xmr is winning
14:38:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> someoneelse49549: On bisq? No
14:38:16 <someoneelse49549> ofrnxmr[m]: sry i was talking on uniswap
14:38:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> okok, yeah, but he can only use real btc on bisq
14:39:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oxmonero or wxmr is 100% unrelated to monero. Just speculative bettings
14:40:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> how to acquire xmr with cash and no kyc:
14:40:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Localmonero
14:40:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> how to acuire xmr on bisq:
14:40:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> but btc with fiat, when swap it to xmr ON BISQ
14:40:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/but/buy/
14:41:04 <someoneelse49549> *
14:42:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dont keep the btc that you buy from bisq. Unless youve read seths 100 steps to bitcoin privacy, part 1/7
14:42:31 <someoneelse49549> I don't agree on Localmonero, I'm in the EU, and all the offers I've in my country is just way too high. We're talking 15% trade fee. It's just unacceptable + there is offers for Cash by mail while the country prohibit it. So I think LocalMonero is only good for US
14:43:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Uh
14:43:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats the real price
14:43:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Real sellers wou[d lower price if it wasnt selling
14:44:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ive sold 60% above marketer for months
14:45:00 <jonjones2000[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Sold monero for 60% above market on bisq?
14:45:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> A lot of sellers have buy and sells ads
14:45:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> I buy above market too
14:45:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> jonjones2000[m]: On localmonero
14:46:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tip: if you think the orice is too high, become a seller
14:46:23 <jonjones2000[m]> Wow.  So you buy on a centralized exchange and then sell for 60% above market on localmonero?
14:46:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero too high, not sure ive heard that one yet
14:46:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Should be > 5k
14:46:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> jonjones2000[m]: A lot of times i buy on localmonero too
14:47:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> So ill have buy ads at 10% over market
14:47:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> And sell ads at typically 25-40%
14:47:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> But i was doing 60% when exchanges were closed
14:48:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Binance price is irekkevent 
14:48:18 <someoneelse49549> My way to go is always bity.com BTC at 1.5% fee, KYC free, Account Free, Switzerland. Then I swap using trocador I then just lost 3-4% in fee
14:49:51 <jonjones2000[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Very nice.  How many trades like this can you do per day?
14:50:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Like 2 a week
14:50:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sells
14:50:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im not a big seller
14:50:48 <jonjones2000[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: How much do you need to be a big seller?
14:51:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> there are people ive seen with 20k availabke etc
14:51:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> I keep things under 1xmr for first time buyers
14:52:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Better rates for return customers etc
14:52:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> (theres a trusted option where trusted traders see your trusted/hidden ads)
14:53:16 <jonjones2000[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Hey bro, im sending you a DM so we dont spam the channel with our convo
14:53:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Perfect
15:04:47 <eudaimon36[m]> ahh, I was enjoying it--ofrnxmr and I did these rounds about Bisq and localmonero just last night
15:21:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> And oh, cant believe i forgot 
15:21:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Basicswapdex.com
15:21:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Atomic swap dex^
15:22:01 <eudaimon36[m]> <jonjones2000[m]> "Hey bro, im sending you a DM..." <- Hey, so I use Bisq regular as an onramp, and am fairly technically challenged. Feel free to DM me.
15:22:11 <eudaimon36[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Great tech, but 0 liquidity
15:22:39 <eudaimon36[m]> and almost all swaps are through Particl
15:23:13 <eudaimon36[m]> just set up last week, actually, based on your earlier "recommendation" (as much as ofrnxmr recommends anything non-XMR
15:24:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> In crypto*
15:24:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> I recomment plenty of nonxmr stuff outside of crypto
15:24:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> like linux :P
15:25:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> ive never tried any of these desktop exchanged. Bisq, haveno, basicswap, so all i know if what i hear
15:25:53 <eudaimon36[m]> Particl guys share your principles
15:26:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> my other alts, must be
15:27:06 <eudaimon36[m]> hahaha
20:35:39 <escapethe3ra[m]> <MajesticBank> "escapethe3ra never reported..." <- "never" != actually "never", clearly: "[ANN] [DONATION WEEK] Use MajesticBank and help fund getmonero.org, Haveno and Monero developers" (https://monero.observer/majesticlabs/), "[ANN] Majesticbank are paying the website hosting fees of getmonero for the next 3 months (may,june,july) totalling $6kusd" (https://monero.observer/plowsof-2/), "MajesticBank to give away 40 free
20:35:39 <escapethe3ra[m]> tickets to MoneroKon 2022 event" (https://monero.observer/majesticbank-to-give-away-40-monerokon-2022-tickets/)
20:40:47 <escapethe3ra[m]> <MajesticBank> "17. and 18. so 50% goes to..." <- I can post a new CM for this if you want to be on the frontpage, just message me with a title, body and links.
20:44:19 <escapethe3ra[m]> <MajesticBank> "if it wasn't someone breaking..." <- Oh and one last thing re "I would re-think myself": take it easy with the threats, you surely don't want to make this about MB vs MO on the "reputation" front one would assume.
20:44:37 <escapethe3ra[m]> s/re/RE:/