00:51:15 <vostoemisio[m]> Hey everyone!... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/69278bcc69f59f9d543a1e06a128b8b8827f37cf>)
01:25:20 <vostoemisio[m]> s/As/Since/
04:38:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2 mins per video
04:39:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> savandra also 2anred 
04:40:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> * savandra also wanted something like 20xmr per vid. 
04:40:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Personally im now firmly against animated shorts like what we have or was done
04:43:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also, as far as im concerned, there is 9xmr less and the proposal sucked 
04:44:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Better to open a brand new proposal. Dontfollow in the footsteps / dont pick up where they left off
04:47:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also a big difference vs sometjing like acceptxmt us that the video proposal wasnt abandoned, it was cancelled.
05:00:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> "monero awareness efforts" << good.
05:00:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Animated explainers" << im traumatized
05:24:28 <vostoemisio[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Better to open a brand new..." <- We would start totally fresh and kick things off from scratch, not using any of the stuff that's already been made from that project. When I brought up Savandra, I just meant there's a budget set aside for making videos, and we're totally cool with working within that budget to create content.
05:27:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> That budgets isnt "set aside". Its more accurate to say "funds were raised for a purpose, may be ideal to keep those funds for the same purpose".
05:27:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> usually the way this works is a proposal is ababdoned, then someone continues it
05:28:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Recently weve closed abandoned ccs and abd repurposed the money to an active alternative
05:29:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Animated videos are a bit different. the proposal was not abandoned, nor taken over. It was "fired"
05:33:08 <vostoemisio[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> That budgets isnt "set aside". Its more accurate to say "funds were raised for a purpose, may be ideal to keep those funds for the same purpose".
05:33:09 <vostoemisio[m]> > usually the way this works is a proposal is ababdoned, then someone continues it
05:33:09 <vostoemisio[m]> Sure. It's up to the workgroup/community to make a decision. If the proposal is not well received we don't need to proceed
05:33:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> actually rules cyrrentky state otherwise
05:33:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> And imtrying to change said rules
05:34:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rulessaythe money goes to GF, andGFdoesnt donate to matketing
05:35:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> So according to rules, this proposal is to be donated to GF. < im against, hence my proposal for the community yacht fund 
05:36:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> so community has control over how the funds are spent
05:37:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Imo you should write a proposal
05:38:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> If we decide its worth it, we can further decide if we will crowdfund or just fund it
05:38:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im against just funding nonessential anything while were as poor as we are
05:39:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lol. Vost, you should have made a meth drinking movie and made off with 25k + free monerokon tickets
05:41:03 <vostoemisio[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Now you lost me 🤣
05:41:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats a shot at myself :P 
05:41:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> I complain that bad actors got it easy, and wegive he good guys a hard time
05:42:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Which is exactly what im doing. Giving you a hard time over 36xmr, when geo just pulled off a 25k heist and didn even mention monero
05:47:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Basically saying, if had a proposal so terrible that you could play the victim, youd get your money + free tickets (on a tuesday!)
05:51:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anyway, i like your still work. Wouldnt mind seeing a proposal from you
05:51:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Unrelated to savandras.
05:52:10 <TrasherDK[m]> After submitting a proposal, one of the first questions you will get is, what have you previously contributed to the community?
05:52:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Your rates, your scripts, your lengths
05:52:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> TrasherDK[m]: Vost is doing monerokon stuffs :)
05:53:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> TrasherDK[m]: Geo biggest contribution is helping us lose sarang 😆
05:54:39 <TrasherDK[m]> Well, I don't know any of those guys, besides sarang.
05:55:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Geonic is the one who called out diego
05:56:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Diego was the community manager who was "banished" after it was exposed that he was getting paid from geberal fund
05:56:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Diego took sarang with him 
05:56:12 <TrasherDK[m]> Those two I do know 😂
05:57:19 <TrasherDK[m]> Yes, I was here for all that drama. Glorious entertainment.
05:57:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Geonics movie is better
05:58:15 <TrasherDK[m]> I must have missed that one.
05:58:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Id much rather meth movies with no mentions vs diegos contributions 
05:58:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Geo got 25k very recently for an already finished, 38min studio quality filn
05:59:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> No mentions of monero, but does bastardize a (true story) 16 year olds death smuggling meth 
05:59:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> "help a movie get to the oscars" ccs
06:00:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> It was merged without consensus on a random tuesday.
06:00:57 <DanIsnotthemanBr> hmmm
06:01:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Also playing at monerokon so geo and friends can get free vip treatment
06:01:26 <TrasherDK[m]> Ah, I think I saw that one, and skipped over it, as it sounded like a money grab BS proposal.
06:01:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Money grab = success
06:02:32 <TrasherDK[m]> I guess so.
06:03:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> First 12k = submit movie to festivals
06:03:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Second 12k = win an award at at least 1/130 of them
06:04:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Context: geos prior, lower cost endeavors have won some award or another
06:04:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> The whole 25k ccs is a guaranteed payment for work already done that has nothing to do with xme
06:04:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Xmr
06:04:43 <TrasherDK[m]> Does an anticipation award count?
06:05:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> probably lmao
06:05:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> The ccs doesnt give specifics iirc. It could be a particicpation award, technically lolol
06:06:09 <TrasherDK[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: That one is a kick in the balls.
06:07:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> all im saying is were 0/2 and vost seems like a good guy to get this genre of ccs back out of the "wth is this" bag
10:16:12 <plowsof11> meeting in ~5 hours at 15:00 UTC https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/828 #monero-events:monero.social at 17:00. thanks for introducing the idea vostoemisio - i think if it is specifically for "merchant adoption" e.g. "we can do video 2/3/4 better because xyz" (see acceptxmr taking over xmrsale) with a merge request for discussion / community approval    then it makes sense.  
10:41:55 <plowsof11> there is like 624~ xmr locked in the 'purgatory' list alone. we could organise a party when we hit 1000 unused moneros. the idea is that at some point in time, people wanted 'something', so putting effort in to give them 'it' rather than take their money and move it from the 'unused funds for a rainy day pile' here, to the other pile over there -= to a transaction fee seems good to me (and then donating to the GF after trying - it is
10:41:55 <plowsof11> a pile, but is actively used to pay the bills + other things shown in the transparency reports) 
12:52:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> History means nothing
12:53:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> "if you could do it again, would you?"
12:53:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> I argue yes, but not with some dumb veil that were supposed to fund trash
12:54:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont care if its solopt, haveno, monerotesla, or animated videos
12:55:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Some very dumb things have been funded (read: scams and time sinks)
12:56:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> So "fans wanted solar!"means nothing
12:56:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> And 1000 is, imo, a nonsense number
12:58:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im on board with monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org:  to save up a 6 months deep dev fund before we start throwing money away
13:00:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> When closing animated videos, i would have saiid "earmark for marketing", but i absolutely think animated videos is a bs ccs, hence fired
13:00:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not "could not continue", its "snake oil"
13:01:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is vost want to open a proposal > back to step 0 > show us how a professional does it
13:02:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not "just slide in as 1/4 people who can claim these funds". 
13:02:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Anyway, i like your still work..." <- ^
13:02:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Unrelated to savandras." <- ^
13:03:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Your rates, your scripts, your..." <- ^
13:03:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Or something completely different altogether 
13:05:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> <plowsof11> "there is like 624~ xmr locked in..." <- Ie great sounding in theory. But unrealistic and actually a terrible precedent to auto give people repeated scams
13:05:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> with each successive scam involving less scrutiny 
13:06:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dev stuff = easy to qualtify
13:06:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> "animated videos at 1k/min" with a 1 liner bs ccs = you all got scammed
13:06:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Theres no "pickup where snake oil left off"
13:08:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Dev stuff = easy to qualtify
13:08:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> > "animated videos at 1k/min" with a 1 liner bs ccs = you all got scammed
13:08:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> So giving the oeople what yhey wabt? Sure. The people were advertised a scan, delivered a scam.
13:08:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> lets do it again. Fired savandra just so we could continue the circus 👍 😅
13:09:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> * So giving the people what they want? Sure. The people were advertised a scam, and delivered a scam.
13:09:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> lets do it again. Fired savandra just so we could continue the circus 👍 😅. We didnt HAVEto fire savandra
13:09:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> We could have just let them deliver.
13:09:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> You already know im a vost fan
13:10:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> But eff this movies yolo merging, bp++ low rate, spreading scam money around 
13:10:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Need some balance, not outliers every month
13:11:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> * Need some balance, not senseless outliers (mess) every month
13:12:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Movie cost more than bp++
13:12:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> bp++ literally says the extra gets yoinked LOL
13:12:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> jeffro just did a plowsof ccs (3 months in 6)
13:14:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Good people struggle. Bad people get free rides. 
13:14:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> The solution is not to increase free rides for good people, but to stop giving free rides and avoiding the situation altogether 
13:14:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Good people struggle as a result of bad people taking all the freebies 
13:16:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im much more in line with "lets design a real structure" vs "lets just make mistakes and carry on". 
13:16:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> real structure meaning, GF doesnt have one
13:17:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Right not we spend money like children on amazon
13:17:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> with no long term objectives. Just living day to day with 0 structure
13:18:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> How does tomorrow go
13:18:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> * tomorrow go? I just hop on plowsof back and tell him "walk"
13:19:39 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Long term goal = monero jet
13:19:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> "Where to?" Says plowsof
13:19:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> "i dont know, but lets do stuff. Im bored" says ofrnxmr
13:19:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^ basically monero
13:20:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tyty. I said yacht again, didnt i?
13:20:14 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Yest
13:20:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Upgrade to jet
13:24:05 <fr33_yourself[m]> Long term goal = #1 in MarketCap --> Enticing as much honest hashrate as possible
13:24:54 <DanIsnotthemanBr> I notice there is 3months funded proposals from a year ago with no payouts/milestones meet.
13:25:21 <plowsof11> which ones annoy you the most (or all equal)
13:27:07 <DanIsnotthemanBr> There is a few just curious
13:28:01 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Also https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/252
13:28:01 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Movedfrom server to sdk to multi wallet?¿
13:28:01 <nioc> can I get a rebate from the overage?
13:28:10 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/Movedfrom server to sdk to multi wallet?¿/Moved from server to sdk to multi wallet?¿/
13:28:46 <nioc> 5% sounds reasonable 
13:29:23 <nioc> of donations 
13:29:42 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Ofrnxmr needs hug
13:31:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Food*
13:32:49 <nioc> *my donations 
13:33:18 <plowsof11> rebate is only allowed for tesla proposal 
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13:34:52 <nioc> only memes are real 
13:35:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> i thought everything in the internet was real.. ??
13:36:12 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Neg
13:36:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its only memes??? 
13:36:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Stuck in matrix
13:36:39 <DanIsnotthemanBr> With agent smith
13:39:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> different angle 
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13:40:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> now eat s*ths f@ckn bugs
13:40:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: S*th
13:47:51 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Darth s***
13:48:15 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Mr doug
13:50:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Basic b*tch (new one)
14:00:28 <plowsof11> meeting in one hour yes
15:00:10 <plowsof11> Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/828
15:00:26 <plowsof11> assuming that now is 15:00 UTC... hello
15:00:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Greetings
15:01:10 <nioc> .c 11+4
15:01:33 <nioc> I am in a zoom meeting that I am trying to ignore 
15:01:58 <blankpage[m]> Hi
15:02:12 <plowsof11> what has happened over the past 2 weeks, apparently Monero celebrated its 9th birthday 
15:02:28 <monerobull[m]> Hello
15:04:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its been a long two weeks. Not much to report that isnt on agenda :)
15:04:17 <blankpage[m]> There has been some news with LWS or something
15:04:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> cryptogrampy:  admin frontend for lws
15:04:57 <blankpage[m]> Yes that
15:05:13 <plowsof11> cryptogrampys monero-lws-admin front end thingy? looks nice yeah https://github.com/CryptoGrampy/monero-lws-admin (anyone willing to try then #monero-community-dev:monero.social is the best place for support) 
15:06:00 <plowsof11> some things not in the agenda , there is a "recurring/subscription payments thing i heard about. but i read that the developer is using monero-wallet-cli and hasnt used the rpc wallet yet so im not so optimistic yet 
15:06:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Still not "safe" to use mymonero "out of the box" wallets with it
15:06:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Appears to still be risks of leaking your view keys to mymonero
15:06:37 <plowsof11> has a matrix room link for thos interested in developments there https://matrix.to/#/#MoneroRecurringSubscriptions:matrix.org
15:06:37 <blankpage[m]> It was mentioned earlier that these community meetings clash with the regular time of Monerotopia weekly livestream
15:07:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Well meetings on weekdays and sundays arent ideal. Not much we can do about thr time clash
15:07:59 <plowsof11> News: [Monero Observer](https://www.monero.observer/) - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) - [The Monero Standard](https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard) - [Monero Moon](https://www.themoneromoon.com/)     🚀
15:08:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> We just shifted time to avoid extending into events meetings
15:09:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oh, an update on txextra node adoptiom
15:09:12 <plowsof11> im interested to see how this idea progresses  https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/8827#issuecomment-1518713098     (will be following the MRL meetings for updates) 
15:09:27 <plowsof11> there was/is a pull request already to Randomx from tevador ofrnxmr?
15:09:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: At the last MRL meeting, plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org:  had noted that ~50% of his peers had updated to the latest update
15:10:10 <prometheus1> Hi, is here where there will be a meeting?
15:10:16 <plowsof11> yes it appears to have levelled out at that (for a french / canadian node) your peer lists may differ. 
15:10:24 <plowsof11> monero.fail has added i2p support also. lza_menace nice work 
15:10:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> prometheus1: Right nkw
15:11:07 <blankpage[m]> Incidentally Monerotopia live stream is live right now at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf8X17HF27E
15:11:15 <plowsof11> [MoneroTopia 2023](https://monero.observer/monerotopia-2023-conference-one-week-away/) May 5th - 7th, 2023 Colonia Roma,Mexico City  - monerotopia.com for tickets/more info 
15:11:22 <plowsof11> they have a 3 hour price talk
15:11:29 <plowsof11> so we're fine to continue 
15:12:05 <prometheus1> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/828
15:12:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monerotopia has livestreams every saturday at 1500UTC! Let people know :)
15:12:31 <plowsof11> monerobull , has anything of note been happening in the basicdex atomic swap world? 
15:12:32 <plowsof11> if you happen to know by any chance 
15:12:43 <plowsof11> they are attending monerokon?
15:12:46 <monerobull[m]> They updated their UI
15:12:54 <monerobull[m]> And will be at monerotopia + monerokon 
15:13:26 <plowsof11> https://basicswapdex.com/
15:14:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> context: Basicswapdex is an atomic swap service. I have not used myself but seems to be well done
15:15:45 <plowsof11> all 4 proposals that went to funding last meeting have been funded 🫡 on Moneros birthday, hundreds of XMR where donated to the general fund. and as majesticbank promised , they donated 75 ish monteros. ive got a daily updated ccs wallet on github (which keeps track of any overfunding there) - handy if you want a ccs wallet with titles pre-added 
15:16:41 <plowsof11> the ccs + ccs.keys https://github.com/plowsof/scrape_ccs_fr (should maybe add a zip or something)
15:17:28 <chesterfield[m]> Vik added qr restore to cakewallet
15:17:28 <chesterfield[m]> That’s a big deal
15:17:40 <plowsof11> ah yes , yep 
15:17:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yup
15:17:54 <chesterfield[m]> Also https://twitter.com/MgkMshrmBrkfst/status/1652150943683624960?s=20
15:18:00 <monerobull[m]> Yeah he scammed me
15:18:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Soon should see some services to generate "cold storage" wallets 
15:18:04 <prometheus1> Cake 🎂 Cake 🎂 Cake 🎂
15:18:23 <plowsof11> after an intense battle on github - we finally got the baklava monero accepting merchant in turkey onto https://monerica.com/ 
15:18:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nice
15:18:57 <prometheus1> Intense battle? What happened?
15:19:15 <monerobull[m]> monerobull[m]: I've spent 10 minutes refreshing his twitter and then the qr code don't work 💢
15:19:15 <chesterfield[m]> monerobull[m]: > he’s not using iOS 🫃
15:19:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> They didnt ask me to test it :( what can i say
15:19:27 <plowsof11> how much was the giveaway monerobull :(
15:19:35 <blankpage[m]> True adoption
15:19:45 <monerobull[m]> Like 0.16 xmr
15:20:08 <chesterfield[m]> iOS chads can’t stop winning 🫃
15:20:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Prometheus1 limbs were lost 
15:20:28 <plowsof11> https://start9.com/ - seems to be 'node for noobs with preinstalled daemon' - people often ask about ordering a 'monero node' e.g. pinodexmr , should look into that 
15:21:05 <prometheus1> Anyone has a link or summary?
15:21:38 <plowsof11> at the moment the Monero support for start9 looks like you have to read a manual and stuff / looking for testers 
15:21:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> if not sent now, ping me after meeting
15:22:11 <plowsof11> cryptogrampy is always on the bleeding edge of these types of things and tested the original / latest version for us 
15:22:48 <plowsof11> prometheus https://github.com/monerica-project/monerica/issues/63#issuecomment-1523455467 xD
15:23:21 <hinto[m]> hello, forgot meeting time changed
15:23:37 <plowsof11> you are early to the 16:00 UTC meeting, i like that 
15:25:12 <plowsof11> what else was there 🤔 someone reposted a 'Seth has left us' thread on reddit with some funny comments , his company started a Monero fork [Foundation Devices employee sets up a fork for Monero](https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/12ttiso/a_firmware_engineer_at_foundation_devices_setup_a/)
15:25:35 <plowsof11> if anyone knows what a "hoser" is please tell me 
15:26:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> There are bounties available, and community members like untraceable have added to the bounties
15:26:26 <chesterfield[m]> I think a hoser is one who helps bring high quality hardware wallets to the very lacking Moreno hardware wallet ecosystem
15:26:26 <blankpage[m]> "Started a monero fork" is misleading
15:26:45 <plowsof11> Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate): linked this thread earlier today https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/131zu1e/community_member_seth_is_now_focusing_on_bitcoin/ 
15:26:57 <plowsof11> true started a "fork" intended to have monero support eventually ?
15:27:28 <plowsof11> definitely not forking monero 😅
15:27:54 <plowsof11> erase that from the record your honour, not trying to bring any more heat 
15:28:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> S*th is forking monero?!
15:28:29 <prometheus1> Who is the honour?
15:28:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> brb. Going on a reddit rant
15:29:13 <plowsof11> https://bounties.monero.social/ going strong -> there was a delay one a recent payout for translation work, but it has been resolved now 🙏 
15:29:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> The (old)ccs translator - were they paid out?
15:29:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> German i think?
15:30:21 <plowsof11> will be paid out yes,  just confirming if  it has been 
15:30:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ok
15:30:32 <plowsof11> remember when we decided to steal his monero if he didnt turn up in 12 months, thankfully he showed in time
15:31:59 <plowsof11> im not seeing the webole payout as 'happened' but yeah it should (2 communiyt members here helped alot with this) if they wish to show themselves , i can say thank you 
15:33:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> agreed. Pay
15:33:52 <plowsof11> anything else? (cake will eventually add support for restoring gift wallets, ofrnxmr has done some work on restoring from NFC cards 🫡) stackwallet.com and other wallets are available 
15:34:36 <plowsof11> #monerujo:monero.social s matrix room if you're not there already 
15:34:40 <prometheus1> Majestic bank the one you trust come try us
15:34:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> hhah?
15:35:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> This isnt a shilling room prometheus1:  
15:35:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Shameless plug
15:35:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Who is "you" anyway? (the one "you" trust) lol
15:35:42 <plowsof11> trocador.app majesticbank.sc .... imcam
15:35:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Intercambio.app i think
15:36:19 <plowsof11> ill remember it eventually 
15:37:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> .. not sure though. But for a "trusted privacy service" it intercambio seems to use cloudfkare and js (trocador.app, the service its cloned from, does not use js or cloudflare)
15:37:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Verify, dont trust
15:38:20 <plowsof11> orangefren was accused of "being in bed" with MB but clarified on reddit that they are in bed with everyone 😆 (orangefren has organised meetups sponsored by a few entities)
15:38:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> And i dont trust majesticbank - he lies about me and can never bring evidence to the dicussion. Dishonesty isnt "trust"
15:38:39 <prometheus1> plowsoff11 The News from Observer Standard Moon what happened there ? Revuo
15:39:18 <plowsof11> maybe the links didnt get to irc (was just plugging those news sites) 
15:39:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> They are active and putting out good news 👍
15:39:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> This is a meeting, not a "lets read the news" meetup
15:40:25 <plowsof11> shall we move on to plowsofs coordinator leach proposal 
15:40:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is there something that isnt on the agenda that you would like to speak about today? prometheus1: 
15:40:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah, lets move on
15:41:11 <nioc> great work moving along the BP++++++ proposal plowsof11 
15:41:21 <plowsof11> only idea up at the moment ( we had an animated videos idea today but too soon )
15:41:29 <ofrnxmr[m]> nioc: Seconded
15:42:06 <plowsof11> i sent, many emails, and i will continue to carry that torch with the communities support 
15:42:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org:  post link to next item
15:42:40 <plowsof11> thanks nioc ofrnxmr 
15:43:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> drumroll
15:44:26 <plowsof11> the rates/tasks and such are the same for anyone wondering , aand the next item is 
15:44:47 <moneroprophet> Mo Nero Mo Liberty
15:46:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> I cant post the link or ill crash my phone 
15:46:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Post it already 💢
15:46:29 <plowsof11> covered it all i think, molly ccs is planning on putting a monero-sdk ish proposal up for discussion 
15:46:33 <plowsof11> oh 
15:46:33 <moneroprophet> What link?
15:46:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> #4
15:46:56 <plowsof11> wow, apologies https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/385
15:47:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ty
15:47:06 <plowsof11> plowsof CCS Coordinator 
15:47:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> You have my vote 👍
15:48:16 <nioc> how many is that including socks?
15:48:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> need to ask majestic. Ive lost count
15:48:56 <plowsof11> oh, i see updoots also there, thank you all
15:49:11 <nioc> I should make an account for Cat
15:50:13 <blankpage[m]> Please add by proxy updoot
15:50:58 <hinto[m]> in the case of not many ccs's being opened, i'd like to see some work on the leftover funds
15:51:11 <monerobull[m]> plowsof11: 👍️
15:51:38 <hinto[m]> 800+ xmr leftover from ccs just sitting around seems wasteful
15:52:06 <hinto[m]> plowsof: i'll make a proper comment on the proposal
15:52:36 <hinto[m]> more work for you :D
15:52:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> At least 200 of those are for someone who doesnt frequent these parts, but has completed the work
15:52:42 <plowsof11> thanks hinto , i will update the work in progress issues list https://github.com/plowsof/ccs-wip-list
15:53:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> hinto @hinto.janaiyo:matrix.org:  are you voting wait to merge? Id like to merge as plowsof has already done more than an extra 3 months between the ccs
15:53:25 <blankpage[m]> Is 800 xmr the grand total of accidentally overfunded CCS proposals?
15:53:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> No, 242 is/was
15:53:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> 800 is unclaimed funds 
15:54:05 <plowsof11> more of this type of stuff? https://github.com/plowsof/ccs-wip-list/issues 
15:54:06 <blankpage[m]> Oh ok
15:54:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> unfinished ccs, or at least 1 finished and not claimed
15:54:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> And* at least
15:55:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Also took a while to fund last time 
15:56:22 <blankpage[m]> Should https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/xmrhaelan-monero-outreach-round-3.html be given a time limit?
15:56:31 <hinto[m]> true, the 800+ xmr work can be saved for another ccs
15:56:45 <hinto[m]> ok with merging plowsof as is
15:56:52 <blankpage[m]> This proposal is 4 years old
15:56:58 <hinto[m]> or more like, he should have been payed long ago
15:57:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> blankpage[m]: no. Imo close it
15:57:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its clearly abandoned. Even tk the point erc wants to delete the workgroup altogether
15:58:08 <plowsof11> the 800+ stuff is always on-going, there is only so much that can be done (seems like we have bandwidth for 3~ items at a time), i will still focus on these things in this ccs 
15:58:50 <moneroprophet> Ping geonic perhaps he can comment
15:58:54 <blankpage[m]> I agree it is fairly abandoned but what would happen to the funds?
15:59:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> On that note, i believe community has largely taken over outreach responsibilities. Im ok with getting rid of outreach as a redundant group, and instead pointing to community for outreach. 
15:59:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> not sure on that one though. But the outreach ccs? 🚮
15:59:41 <blankpage[m]> Back to general fund? Or repurposed for something else?
15:59:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> jet fund
16:00:00 <plowsof11> for me personally, the happy route was AcceptXMR https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/374 where the 'same kind of proposal' was partly funded by an abandonned ccs 
16:00:20 <plowsof11> ofc this isnt possible on all of them
16:00:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Community* jet fund
16:01:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> im not ^ 
16:01:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Those situations are very specific and need to be looked at on a case by case basis
16:01:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Otherwise it leads to low hanging fruit for even worse grifters 
16:02:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cant remove the barrier of "vote with wallet" 
16:02:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> And just take over some other silver tongues scammers failed scam
16:02:40 <plowsof11> acceptxmr can be used as a good precedent then
16:02:52 <blankpage[m]> It is 36.68 XMR in total yes?
16:03:09 <plowsof11> yes (outreach proposal)
16:03:13 <blankpage[m]> I think acceptxmr situation was ideal but yes scams need to be avoided
16:04:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> For the funds to be available 👍
16:04:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> for the funds to be for the taking 👎
16:04:45 <blankpage[m]> The original CCS proposal milestones are not very helpful for determining what person could class it
16:05:06 <M1234random4321[> test (it's stuck loading)
16:05:09 <blankpage[m]> "Produce a report on the economic modeling we’ve used for localization translators, highlighting the strengths, weaknesses, and lessons learned."
16:05:27 <plowsof11> ill reach out to geonic/midipoet (last meeting we had someone who said they could contact with people involved in that ccs too, so ill follow that up)
16:05:31 <blankpage[m]> "Create a database/directory of all Monero accepting businesses."
16:05:47 <blankpage[m]> "Improve Monero’s page on Wikipedia"
16:06:17 <plowsof11> i think someone updated the website or block explorer on wikipedia recently so it can be paid out
16:06:39 <plowsof11> yes the milestones are vague 
16:07:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> So a proposal can go to idea stage on its own. Only later should it be decided if we fund it ourselves(rare - emergencies ot necessities), let the community fund it (ideal), or subsidizing it when necessary (say, in the event of a good ccs without traction or simply when a better idea comes along and we vote to use the funds directly). 
16:07:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> either way, decisions on what to do with earmarked funds should only come after the proposal is proposed without thr expectation 
16:08:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> leftover food attracts rats 
16:08:33 <moneroprophet> https://twitter.com/nvk/status/1649456104592617473
16:08:44 <blankpage[m]> Isn't that exactly what is being proposed in animated video stuff?
16:09:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Prophet. Were past the hour. But still in a meeting
16:09:15 <plowsof11> selsta forgot to post a ccs idea btw, but let pretend they did 
16:09:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> blankpage[m]: The post is above
16:09:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Selsta has a new ccs coming?
16:09:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> If so > merge 
16:09:36 <selsta> will post tomorrow
16:09:42 <plowsof11> renewal , +1 merge
16:10:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> good work and ty on the 18.2.2 release and more
16:11:41 <plowsof11> went over the time, sorry, to summarise : merge plowsofs proposal. and selstas (mid week merge to funding party)
16:12:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> agreed
16:12:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Comments from those reading?
16:12:50 <blankpage[m]> Sounds good
16:13:32 <nioc> +1 for selsta 
16:13:46 <tobtoht[m]> +1 selsta
16:14:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thanks everybody. Til next time.
16:14:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> meeting in Monero Events  in 45mins 
16:14:30 <selsta> ty
16:14:53 <plowsof11> mid week merge party luigi1111 , thanks all for attending 
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16:19:41 <plowsof11> link your thread here
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16:20:50 <moneroprophet> Thanks for the meeting, 1st one I attend seems like not too many people were around for it usually there are more?
16:21:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Some weeks 
16:21:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Depends how much is on the table
16:21:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wasnt much to discuss this week, and we moved the time baack an hour
16:26:57 <DiegoSalazar[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Diego took sarang with him..." <- This part isn't correct. Sarang wasn't working for Monero for about six months before I recruited him. 
16:27:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> LIAR
16:27:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> ill 🔪 you in the back diego 💢 /s
16:30:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> DiegoSalazar[m]: Im here to spread fud. You poacher you. Give me sarang (AND S*TH) back 💢 . Also you too, but for free 💢. You owe meeeee, reeeee 
16:30:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> (im trying hard to imitate some people)
16:32:50 <nioc> get in line, he owes me