05:32:38 <techstartup[m]> Hey any WordPress devs with good backend knowledge to fix Monero woocommerce issues message me.  Pay is in XMR
09:15:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> SerHack: 
09:16:31 <SerHack> Thanks, I sent a message to techstartup[m]. Not sure about the "Monero woocommerce" issues
09:18:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Tyty
09:19:24 <plowsof11> SerHack have the 2 milestones you are seeking someone to help you work on changed or remain the exact same as written in the ccs proposal? https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/serhack-monero-integrations-part-3.html 
09:23:37 <plowsof11> roll the 11 xmr into a new ccs (with added in maintenance / updated issues / more funds) and click my heels together to make a woocommerce/php appear from thin air to handle it all 
09:35:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> We need shopify plugin
09:36:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont know what works best, but some angry adopters bcuz we dont make it easy to integrate with existing solutions
09:37:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://twitter.com/FenixAmmunition/status/1609590362166775809
12:02:41 <plowsof11> that twitter thread says they have btcpayserver set up already , and grampy suggests they "enable it" 
12:04:30 <plowsof11> bitcartcc has shopify support https://docs.bitcartcc.com/integrations/shopify 
12:06:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> They have btcpayserver + shopify? 
12:08:50 <plowsof11> btcpayserver also has shopify support https://docs.btcpayserver.org/Shopify/
12:09:48 <plowsof11> someone set btcpayserver up for them , they can easily add monero support 🤷
12:11:08 <plowsof11> bitcartcc is likebtcpayserver but the developer didnt call monero a shitcoin and actually wanted to integrate it
12:21:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> I understand the issue though.
12:22:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> We need a 1 click installer for "yes add monero"
12:23:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> like, if someone has btcpay setup, should be a script to add xmr support
12:28:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bitcart looks good, just not sure about the backend setup 
12:29:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Doesnt look "approachable"
12:29:54 <plowsof11> btcpayserver links to the guide by s*th https://sethforprivacy.com/guides/accepting-monero-via-btcpay-server/ (im sure it would be condensed if it was simply 'so you have btcpay set up already and you want to accept monero..' 
12:31:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> but, but. How to add to existing
12:33:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> yeah, like this goes thru and makes you download a wallet, manually create a new wallet
12:33:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> Export view key
12:33:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> This can all be automated with a download of monerorpc
12:33:34 <plowsof11> perhaps you skip to this step if yo have btcpay set up already https://sethforprivacy.com/guides/accepting-monero-via-btcpay-server/#add-the-view-only-wallet-to-btcpay-server
12:33:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Like generating gift card wallet 
12:34:44 <plowsof11> bitcartcc has attepmted easy on boarding with a "configurator" - ive not used it though :(  demo @ https://admin.bitcartcc.com/configurator
12:35:18 <Rucknium[m]> If it's one-click, wouldn't that be generating the spend key on the (possibly insecure) server?
12:35:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Same device that generated the btc wallet, no?
12:35:47 <plowsof11> ubt yeah, merchants with btcpayserver already setup -  ideally we can say "add your view only wallet details to this menu in your btcpay admin thingy' 
12:36:08 <Rucknium[m]> ofrnxmr: Yes, which is also questionable
12:36:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Right ^, but btc is built without monero support
12:36:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> So it needs to be rebuilt without damaging any existing files 
12:36:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Which im "sure" is no different than upgrading
12:37:12 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/btc/btcpay/
12:39:15 <Rucknium[m]> MAGIC uses BTCPay to accept BTC and XMR. deverick set it up. I can look at the admin panel. I am not sure how much needs to be enabled in the back end for Monero support before you can click things in the admin panel
12:39:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> So id assume a script to "rebuild and restart btcpay"
12:39:37 <Rucknium[m]> http://monerofund.org/
12:40:44 <Rucknium[m]> When setting it up, I got to play with testnet fiat
12:41:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Looks great
12:41:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Even has fixedfloat integration
14:15:21 <chesterfield[m]> Bitcartcc is very similar to btcpay but from my understanding, it allows for creation of multiple non custodial Monero accounts
14:15:22 <chesterfield[m]> So you could essentially provide bitcartcc as a service for people who are tech challenged
14:15:22 <chesterfield[m]> Btcpay only allows for one xmr wallet to be used per server
14:26:32 <chesterfield[m]> What is actually needed is for people to write good tutorials and videos of the process of integrating the already existing tools to things like Shopify or existing woocommerce shops
14:28:32 <chesterfield[m]> I don’t even think it’s necessarily to make a script to ease the process
14:51:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "https://twitter.com/FenixAmmunit..." <- ^
15:40:28 <plowsof11> i think the steps for an existing install = set an environment variable  by `export BTCPAYGEN_CRYPTO2="xmr"` then restart. everything else is handled in the btcpay server admin panel (uploading of wallet files etc as shown here (if we ignore the users weird method to create a wallet) https://github.com/btcpayserver/btcpayserver-doc/issues/815 - i cant take fenix ammunition criticisms seriously when they / or someone they hired has th
15:40:28 <plowsof11> set up btcpayserver to begin with 
15:45:53 <plowsof11> it appears to be the exact same effort for adding LTC to your btcpay instance 
15:46:06 <chesterfield[m]> This is correct
15:46:32 <chesterfield[m]> Does fenix support any other cryptos on their btcpay checkout
15:50:59 <plowsof11> seems like BTC only? (they even provide super opsec instructions for their users) https://fenixammo.com/blogs/news/start-using-bitcoin-btc-for-your-firearms-purchases
15:51:40 <plowsof11> opsec advice = send from binance, to your personal wallet, then pay from that 
16:34:36 <chesterfield[m]> Find out the address of their btcpayserver instance and see if they’re selfhosting or uncle jimming
17:02:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thanks guys
18:33:15 <hardenedsteel[m]> <plowsof11> "seems like BTC only? (they..." <- sent them a message about why they should accept Monero
18:36:10 <hardenedsteel[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "^" <- oh i just missed out this tweet but i also included tutorial and our chat room's link
19:09:12 <lukeprofits[m]> <hardenedsteel[m]> "sent them a message about why..." <- I messaged them a bit ago too. This has been their stance: https://twitter.com/FenixAmmunition/status/1609590362166775809?t=KyahQiW88gRHec3U4_1law&s=19
19:11:09 <lukeprofits[m]> That's a big part of why I am working on developing things (like the Monero Subscriptions Wallet) that will make Monero more accessable to merchants. I think what he said was a bit harsh, but there is a lot that we can do to make accepting Monero more user-friendly.
19:16:30 <hardenedsteel[m]> <lukeprofits[m]> "That's a big part of why I am..." <- subscriptions are great but the user need to use different wallet. If you ask me integrating to already exist wallet software is better idea, like feather wallet or monero gui wallet.
19:16:42 <hardenedsteel[m]> <lukeprofits[m]> "I messaged them a bit ago too..." <- yes that's what i meant above.
19:18:29 <xfedex[m]> From a developer perspective, using monero-wallet-rpc is much simpler than using bitcoind rpc. There are up-to-date RPC clients for C++ (wallet2.h), Node.js, Go, PHP, Python, and possibly others, and also you don't have to run a daemon just for a wallet.
19:18:30 <xfedex[m]> There already are plugins for WooCommerce, PrestaShop, WHMCS; and for shopify, you can do manual payments (using "custom payment method" option).
19:18:30 <xfedex[m]> Accepting XMR is not hard. The biggest issue is laziness.
19:18:30 <lukeprofits[m]> hardenedsteel[m]: I think that'd be cool, but I only know Python. Wanted to help how I could. 
19:18:39 <dreamcity[m]> I wonder why they (Fenix Ammunitions) don't accept other cryptos like Bitcoin Cash, tho
19:20:51 <lukeprofits[m]> xfedex[m]: > <@xfedex:matrix.org> From a developer perspective, using monero-wallet-rpc is much simpler than using bitcoind rpc. There are up-to-date RPC clients for C++ (wallet2.h), Node.js, Go, PHP, Python, and possibly others, and also you don't have to run a daemon just for a wallet.
19:20:51 <lukeprofits[m]> > There already are plugins for WooCommerce, PrestaShop, WHMCS; and for shopify, you can do manual payments (using "custom payment method" option).
19:20:51 <lukeprofits[m]> > Accepting XMR is not hard. The biggest issue is laziness.
19:20:51 <lukeprofits[m]> It's a know fact though that people are lazy. If we care about adoption, we need to have convenient solutions for lazy people. 
19:22:40 <lukeprofits[m]> dreamcity[m]: I know they said that they wanted it more as a backup in case they couldn't accept creditcards anymore. I think he probably was thinking 80/20 principle and figure Bitcoin was the most important, since it's the biggest. 
19:27:54 <xfedex[m]> buttcoiners
19:27:54 <xfedex[m]> i hope they (and their customers) are having fun with the $10 bitcoin tx fee
19:30:04 <dreamcity[m]> Not gonna lie, I think that they attracted a lot of "unnecessary" attention with the way they worded it and it's kinda a shame because people are going to focus on the form and not the message
20:56:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> Super necessary attention IMO
20:57:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Doesnt really matter how its said - this is what "the customer is always right" means
20:58:07 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Problem is you make something to easy it affect security.
20:58:13 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Ledger case in point
20:58:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> they use shopify 
20:59:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> They care not about custodiansor privacy, and 100% about profit for THEIR business
20:59:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monero is just a MOE
21:00:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Visa, for example
21:00:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is no better than ledger
21:01:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Debit, same thing. Bank can steal/freeze your funds etc
21:02:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not just ledger. You see a lot of maxis recommend wallet of satoshi. Most gpu miners are using proprietary mining software
21:04:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> The list of "wtf's" is long, but understandable if you think from the perspective of someone who doesnt care about crypto, markets, whatever cults people are attached to. They sell guns. Or run a bodyshop 
21:04:49 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Easier to not use passphrase can’t forget something you done have.
21:05:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Whats it called SaaS? Is what we need
21:06:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> but plowsof (i think) said adding xmr is as easy as addint the env variable and restarting btcpay server + adding view key
21:07:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Need to confirm. Because thats easy enough - just needs better or more simple documentation
21:30:28 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Documentation seems to be an issue with a lot of projects.
21:31:59 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Sass is cloud service basically
21:32:13 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Application over interweb
23:00:59 <revuoxmr> Revuo Monero Issue 171: May 11 - 18, 2023. https://revuo-xmr.com/issue-171.html
23:05:38 <lukeprofits[m]> <DanIsnotthemanBr> "Problem is you make something to..." <- True, but if people currently have 0% privacy, and we can make something easy to take them to 75% privacy with a few compromises, that's a win. 
23:05:38 <lukeprofits[m]> (Even if they could have had 100% with some extra effort, but were too lazy).
23:05:38 <lukeprofits[m]> People who care care. People who don't don't. Very hard to convince people who don't care about their privacy why they should care.