00:23:02 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Probably why umbrel is popular with non tech savy people
07:14:30 <lukeprofits[m]> The Monero Subscriptions Wallet that I created is out now if anyone wants to try it: https://github.com/lukeprofits/Monero_Subscriptions_Wallet
07:26:14 <jollyboy[m]> did you make this all by yourself?
07:27:11 <lukeprofits[m]> jollyboy[m]: Yes
07:27:22 <jollyboy[m]> big achievement
07:27:42 <lukeprofits[m]> And I asked questions on reddit and got some feedback but yeah. I'm the only one working on it. 
07:27:57 <jollyboy[m]> great motivation
07:28:13 <jollyboy[m]> you must be very talented
07:28:26 <jollyboy[m]> Ive never touched python
07:28:47 <lukeprofits[m]> It's the only language I know well. Haha
07:29:20 <jollyboy[m]> everyone says the code is pretty, but I never thought so
07:29:31 <jollyboy[m]> maybe its easy to maintain
07:29:44 <jollyboy[m]> you would know its strong-points, I suppose
07:30:12 <lukeprofits[m]> The way you write stuff is really simple and sounds natural so it's comparatively easy to understand. 
07:30:49 <jollyboy[m]> some desktop apps use Vue for the user interface, I wonder if python can do that
07:30:56 <jollyboy[m]> I always though C++ was the king
07:31:15 <jollyboy[m]> but who needs to write in C? or real programmers
07:31:27 <jollyboy[m]> only** real programmers
07:31:46 <jollyboy[m]> web apps not programming, I don't think
07:31:58 <invalidink> Congrats luke, looks really interesting.
07:32:01 <lukeprofits[m]> Haha yeah C++ is fast but the syntax sucks. 
07:32:12 <lukeprofits[m]> invalidink: Thanks
07:32:14 <jollyboy[m]> desktop app in python is probably real programming though
07:32:54 <jollyboy[m]> in your app, you have the keys to someones wallet, and use them to send to another account
07:32:58 <jollyboy[m]> is that how it works?
07:35:48 <lukeprofits[m]> jollyboy[m]: When you open it it generates a new random wallet.
07:35:48 <lukeprofits[m]> It is meant to be a side-wallet so it's not ever supposed to have a ton of money. Just enough to pay your monthly subscriptions. $10 for your VPN, $30 for some other software, whatver.
07:35:48 <lukeprofits[m]> (The seed is saved in a text file in the same folder as the program. Obviously no more secure than your system is, but I didn't want to hassle people with storing their seed since it isn't designed to store a ton of money) 
07:36:32 <lukeprofits[m]> You just make a transfer to it from you main wallet like once every month or two, and then leave it up and running on your mining rig or whatever 
07:38:16 <lukeprofits[m]> It's cool though, because it can be used as a Patreon with no middleman and no fees. Or recurring subscriptions for services. 
07:39:27 <jollyboy[m]> cool thanks for the info
07:39:28 <DanIsnotthemanBr> content creators could use this i reckon, instead of patreon
07:41:14 <jollyboy[m]> do you have strong opinions on VPN's?
07:41:38 <DanIsnotthemanBr> bascially your moving your trust from ISP tp them
07:41:47 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/tp/to/
07:42:10 <DanIsnotthemanBr> i use ivpn, but there is thing i would do across a vpn service
07:42:17 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/thing/things/
07:42:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/thing/things/, s/would/wouldn't/
07:43:49 <jollyboy[m]> what do you think about Tor only?
07:43:51 <jollyboy[m]> no vpn
07:44:00 <jollyboy[m]> some people are saying that is better than the transfer of trust
07:44:22 <jollyboy[m]> honestly, I just wanted to 'believe', but its too complicated for that
07:46:49 <plowsof11> nice, such a tool would be handy for an employer who has alot of people to pay in xmr at the end of every month. i would just clarify that : to make payments - you have to 'remember to turn your computer on daily'. i like that you pull a random node from monero.fail. i'd want to see more sanity checks around the 'transfer' part e.g. do not relay = true, check things e.g. transfer fee / that the usd conversion is 'correct', submit raw
07:53:29 <lukeprofits[m]> <plowsof11> "nice, such a tool would be handy..." <- The usd conversation is pulled using the Monero_USD_Price pip package (which I also wrote). It gets the median price (so there are no outliers) from like 10 exchanges: https://github.com/lukeprofits/Monero-USD-Price/
07:53:29 <lukeprofits[m]> Should be like the most accurate price possible. Haha
07:55:49 <lukeprofits[m]> <plowsof11> "nice, such a tool would be handy..." <- Adding a "are you sure" check would probably be a good idea (though it is hard to enter a valid wallet address and amount by accident lol). Transfer fee is just on auto.
07:55:49 <lukeprofits[m]> What is the "do not relay" thing you are mentioning? 
08:00:12 <plowsof11> you can pass do_not_relay as a param for transfer. if you combine with get_tx_metadata, after sanity checking the amount/fee - you can submit the raw tx  https://www.getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/wallet-rpc.html#transfer 
08:01:19 <plowsof11> the daemon handles broadcasting of the raw tx https://www.getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/daemon-rpc.html#send_raw_transaction 
08:02:19 <plowsof11> some wallets e.g. feather will submit the raw tx to multiple nodes to prevent your tx from not being broadcast if one is misbehaving 
08:09:42 <lukeprofits[m]> Ahh gotcha so just for like a double-check
08:24:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Be sure to check for high fees if using remore nodes
08:26:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> And atm it's (well, always has been) highly recommended against using "random" nodes.  For the issue i just mentioned being one, and de-anon attacks being another 
08:27:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Feather (and others) use trusted/known community nodes
08:56:24 <lukeprofits[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Feather (and others) use trusted..." <- Yeah. It is suggested to use your own node or one you trust. (I put SethForPrivacy's node as the example.). I just also added a "add a random node from Monero.fail" button. 
09:00:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> There is an active exploit 
09:01:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> So, imo, monero.fail imo should absolutely not be trusted until at least the next HF
10:23:55 <plowsof11> endor also gave some feedback @ #MoneroRecurringSubscriptions:matrix.org 
10:29:04 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Need a  monero room index
10:32:00 <merope> There's a matrix space with all the Monero rooms
10:44:35 <rbrunner> Finally one more of my Monero themed fiction short stories: https://rbrunner7.github.io/ring_ct.html
10:44:55 <rbrunner> "Monero, the only cryptocurrency in the world that comes with short stories" :)
11:53:27 <msvb-web> I really like your idea a lot rbrunner, dankon very much.
11:54:20 <rbrunner> Welcome!
11:55:18 <rbrunner> Unfortunately it get's harder and harder to write these stories, as a single cryptocurrency as a main story subject is a bit limited ...
18:50:53 <nikg83[m]> Is anyone working on xmr/ltc atomic swaps ? Should be similar to btc ?
18:51:50 <nikg83[m]> Why ltc ? Lower fees and similar on/off-ramps as btc
18:53:02 <nikg83[m]> Smaller block time than btc too
20:30:55 <geonic> supposedly BasicSwap have figured that out
21:39:38 <monerobull[m]> Yeah they work 
21:39:39 <monerobull[m]> At least should 
21:39:56 <monerobull[m]> I am not sure if i have actually did a LTC swap specifically