05:16:59 <geonic> Kinda hard to believe that all of these are actual atomic swaps
08:45:23 <plowsof11> next meeting is on the 27th. any one have initial thoughts on the ideas list? https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas/ - The android wallet SDK is waiting for some feedback,, animated video proposal has agreed to (among others, see comments) put a 4 month expiry after funding - so there will be no delays / easy cancelling 
08:47:33 <plowsof11> no major updates from our SeedSigner - only this 'todo' added 2 days ago of using a PicoNero to create a hardware wallet in the future(tm) https://github.com/Monero-HackerIndustrial/MoneroSigner-Project-Tracking they have a tweeter account too where updates are said to be posted https://twitter.com/MoneroSigner
08:50:05 <plowsof11> RIATs bookkeeping thing are 'somewhere else' so it will take some time to gather the data but they are responsive and seem to be actively trying to claim outstanding funds from the "36C3 Supplies" CCS
08:51:39 <plowsof11> Flatpak Monero GUI - we're waiting for someone to send pgp encrypted api keys to luigi , BigmenPixel has done the bulk of the work already (with help from selsta) 
09:16:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> probably should close molly server css and if sdk goes to funding move some of that funds there, since its the same people and server is not going anywhere.
09:19:49 <DanIsnotthemanBr> and "If no milestones have been claimed within 9 months from the start of the project (since moved to work-in-progress) or latest payout, the CCS for the project shall be considered expired" seems off could take 9 months times 7 milestones = 63 = 5.25yrs.
11:07:22 <plowsof11> 5.25 years is less than infinity 😄 the idea is that android wallet sdk complete -> integrated into molly -> server ccs also moves forward (2 birds onero stone)
11:09:43 <plowsof11> valldrac: is the time frame less than 5.25 years for the android wallet sdk?
11:15:51 <valldrac[m]> <plowsof11> "valldrac: is the time frame less..." <- I would like to finish the development milestones (1 to 3) in 6 months or less, followed by 6 months for the maintenance milestones (4 to 5). There are 5 planned payouts 
11:24:17 <valldrac[m]> About the Molly CCS, only a fraction of the funds (12.5%) are for the server prototype. 70% are allocated to integrate Monero in Molly instead, but using the Signal network as backend (as the does app today)
11:30:07 <valldrac[m]> * About the Molly CCS, only a fraction of the funds (12.5%) are for the server prototype. 70% are allocated to integrate Monero in Molly, but using the Signal network as backend, like the app does today
13:21:59 <plowsof11> ajs_: whats going on with events/extra funds for extending someones trip? 
13:23:58 <ajs_[m]> i was thinking about doing a CCS to attend some events during Prague Blockchain Week https://explore.prgblockweek.com/23
13:24:38 <ajs_[m]> but it it might be too late to go through the whole CCS process
13:25:23 <ajs_[m]> i was planning to do a meet up while there too https://www.meetup.com/monero-czechia/events/291788952
13:26:28 <ajs_[m]> the original idea of doing a meet up during Prague Blockchain Week is to help promote MoneroKon
13:26:49 <ajs_[m]> but since sales have slowed, i am not sure if it would be worth the expense
13:26:54 <plowsof11> ajs_: didnt you donate xmr.radio funds to the general fund , or was it.... you didnt get paid for some hotel monerokon invoice?? 
13:27:04 <plowsof11> im remembering something like 17xmr 
13:27:21 <ajs_[m]> yeah, but that was for Lisbon
13:41:17 <plowsof11> the general fund/ccs owes you money already 🤔 if the events team want you to make a ccs for this / you post it asap - there is a community meeting on the 27th.. when would it have to be funded? 
13:46:12 <plowsof11> step 1 is putting the ccs idea up ajs_ , then see what happens after that 
16:51:01 <ajs_[m]> monerokon meeting 10 minutes in #monero-events:monero.social 
19:54:16 <midipoet> ajs_[m]: why didn't you get paid for Lisbon hotel?! Wtf. 
19:55:30 <ajs_[m]> i was
19:57:53 <ajs_[m]> plowsof:  i am not owed anything.
20:42:32 <plowsof11> i remember looking at the invoice for (some monerokon) and confirming you didnt get daily spend money or funds for a hotel - and you would rather the funds went to the GF (is this a false memory ajs_?) 
21:00:17 <DanIsnotthemanBr> So molly css is used for sdk as well basically not for server?
21:01:45 <DanIsnotthemanBr> And will the prototype server turn into production ready with these funds?
21:07:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> I wuld hope so(?)
21:12:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> molly paused:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/86f4b49ccb642561a3332190dbce79691bff458e>)
21:15:30 <plowsof11> the android wallet sdk is generic - (has no molly app things in it.. a tool for all to use) - the "integrate monero into molly.im" - ccs is other work but requires 'this' specific android sdk for reasons detailed in the proposal
21:16:26 <plowsof11> reading the molly ccs closer, nothing is written about the prototype being "production ready" 
21:16:41 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Semantics
21:17:08 <DanIsnotthemanBr> This is why people are skeptical of the new css and no one has posted anything
21:17:26 <plowsof11> "This environment is not expected to scale to more than 10K simultaneous users and will not provide a production-ready or reliable service for end users. For the purpose of this stage this server could be considered "pre-production/staging server".
21:17:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> There probably burnt from the server proposal
21:18:28 <plowsof11> "Decentralizing Molly.im to support Monero payments" proposal will move forward once the sdk is complete 
21:18:54 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Well if thats the case shame on people who voted to move to funding. Fund to make it proof of conexpt
21:19:08 <plowsof11> 12.5% server proposal 
21:19:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/conexpt/concept/
21:19:48 <plowsof11> the monero project could get banned from github, until then, we are happily leaching off of their resources 
21:24:36 <DanIsnotthemanBr> 1%er
21:26:50 <DanIsnotthemanBr> “Signal server deployment ~2.5 weeks” so is there a pre production server? Only going of there 3 step plan
21:27:54 <plowsof11> valldrac: can you talk about the server more? - will molly exist as-is now (using signal servers with monero integrated) - and - at the same time - a separate prototype server be online for people to try out (with benefits being.. no phone number validation?)
21:28:56 <plowsof11> 10k max users sounds enough, i have counted about 7 of us here 
21:29:16 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Probably a good proposal just burn me once shame on me,burn me twice shame on you,,,,
21:30:17 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Probably need more to load test it
21:30:48 <plowsof11> lock the doors at monerokon and force everyone to try it 
21:42:45 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Beta testers
21:45:29 <plowsof11> not so fast everyone - we have translations to review