00:29:58 <ajs_[m]> plowsof:  kinda, I don't remember myself in detail the discussion, but I think it might have been a mix up of not claiming all my expenses for the C3 event (which was not that much) and requesting the over funding of Monero FM be applied to monerokon's ccs to meet a cancelation deadline for funding we set back then.
00:32:30 <ajs_[m]> As much as I love the molly monero payments support idea, it is starting to look like a kovri money pit
02:20:21 <chesterfield[m]> Is kovri dead
02:20:23 <chesterfield[m]> I just donated to that ccs the other day
02:21:58 <ajs_[m]> it has been for years
02:49:22 <chesterfield[m]> How much was 7000 xmr worth when it was originally funded
02:51:20 <chesterfield[m]> And if I finish kovri can I redeem
02:52:29 <chesterfield[m]> I’m currently working on a project coral reef redux ccs proposal.  It’s going to be insane.
02:53:22 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/monero
02:53:33 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Look up date
02:54:14 <chesterfield[m]> I’m going straight to the streets of a dozen world cities, and I’m going to pay hookers and people who sell certain things to accept Monero for one year.
02:54:48 <chesterfield[m]> The last project coral reef was too high brow.  I’m taking bringing it back to the people
09:24:29 <midipoet> ajs_[m]: ok. Please let us know if you are owed any expenses/reimbursement from Lisbon though, as that wouldn't be fair to you, and certainly wasn't intentional. 
09:25:12 <plowsof11> yes ajs_ i remember i calculated , and it was not a small amount because the ccs was priced at "55.34EUR/XMR" 
09:25:49 <plowsof11> e.g. the 50 eur a day for spends in xmr is now worth 4* 
09:26:22 <plowsof11> hotel costs ... maybe even payment for a sound engineer, i forget the details 
09:26:56 <plowsof11> this is from https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/36c3.html
09:27:10 <plowsof11> (not lisbon, i was confused) 
09:58:18 <plowsof11> hm ignore^ there was a buffer added / looks like funds where to be paid in fiat to volunteers? 
09:58:53 <plowsof11> IF funds where paid to volunteers in XMR - then you are sitting on at least $1k already for the daily spends 
10:00:04 <plowsof11> but the abandoned outreach ccs seems less complicated to - declare as abandoned and pay for other "outreach" things out it  
10:41:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sorry but fuck no
10:41:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monerokon turned down abd disrespected sponsors, then blew tens of thousands paying themselves to pay themselves 
10:42:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Like 300k project and cant even sell tix 
10:44:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Now trying to book extra vacations. What a joke.
10:44:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> no.
10:44:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> if monerokon needs more money, they can go undisrespect fsome sponsors
10:44:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not drain the fkn <s>yacht<\s> jet fund 
10:46:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/<\/<//
11:21:53 <plowsof11> ajs' trip and talk (im not sure on the full details, awaiting them) seems like a valid 'outreach' (the abandonned proposal celebrated its 4th birthday yesterday) - the events team do not let funds gather dust thats for sure 
11:23:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> How?
11:23:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Theyve gone out to party 5x
11:24:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Spent 300k
11:24:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> And cant sell tix
11:24:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Where us the outreach if you cant even sell out kon?
11:24:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> But can fund your shell companies 
11:24:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> And spend 600$ every 3 days on hookers
11:25:02 <DanIsnotthemanBr> And blow
11:25:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> (^ im exaggerating)
11:25:48 <DanIsnotthemanBr> How much is the conference going to cost at this rate?
11:25:52 <ajs_[m]> obviously
11:26:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> 300k
11:26:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> Revenue like 25k?
11:26:22 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Holy shit batman
11:26:54 <DanIsnotthemanBr> We could clone plowsof for that
11:27:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Could buy the whole yatcht and the event venue 
11:27:50 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Jet or gtfo
11:29:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> i agree with ajs. Its too late for unnecessary bs. Screw the meetup
11:29:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Focus on.. kon
11:29:46 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Meet at the conference
11:29:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Literally
11:30:13 <ajs_[m]> the main point of the meet up was for marketing the kon
11:30:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> how many days and how much money times yall spend in prage already, collectively
11:31:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/times//
11:31:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/times//, s/prage/prague/
11:31:34 <ajs_[m]> i was there is April for 5 days, spent something like 600 eur 
11:31:46 <ajs_[m]> s/is/in/
11:31:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> anybody else go?
11:32:05 <ajs_[m]> yeah Michael went too 
11:32:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> This was the only trip, correct?
11:34:29 <ajs_[m]> yeah
11:35:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> How many tix left to sell
11:35:52 <ajs_[m]> i was in the area for another conference and took a train to Prague, so it was a relatively cheap trip
11:36:41 <ajs_[m]> for PBW, i would need to fly there and hotels are expensive during this time
11:37:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah, and accomplish nothing tbh lol
11:37:29 <ajs_[m]> i found a local to check out the stuff in storage and take pictures
11:38:05 <ajs_[m]> so it is not really super important to make the trip
11:38:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ik. And thats why im 100% against siphoning more funds down the drain
11:38:45 <ajs_[m]> 226 GA
11:38:53 <ajs_[m]> 3 VIP
11:39:34 <ajs_[m]> we are at about 140-160 right now depending on the number of volunteers that show up
11:40:28 <plowsof11> there are at least several people who want ajs to make the trip - if a ccs idea is put up they can justify why - if no ccs idea is up its definitely not happening 
11:40:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> There should have bern more than enough time and money available to properly market kon
11:41:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> outreach ccs aint going to kon bud
11:41:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kon ccs already is exceptiom upon exception / non-standard
11:42:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Whether it be kons ability to move the goalpost (other ccs are far more rigid), or the handling of the funds, kons ccs is not standard 
11:43:14 <ofrnxmr[m]> Which is the only reason kon is losing money
11:44:42 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Bloating?
11:45:46 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Curious how much monerotopia was
11:49:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> They havent had to do anything properly. Allowed to continually do unreasonable... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/692af9098a73a4b452d48a41faa57f98716e738e>)
11:51:34 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Profit and lost statement required
11:51:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> chowbungaman:  able to share ballpark how much gross was spent to organize topia? 
11:52:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: "Are you winning today, son?"
11:58:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Anyway.
11:59:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monerobull is going on Monerotalk/topia next week.
11:59:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Somone should write talking points, or join bull
12:00:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> we have monthly moneromeets
12:01:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Even people like mental outlaw shill xmr
12:01:31 <DanIsnotthemanBr> - what talks are on
12:01:31 <DanIsnotthemanBr> - vendors there
12:01:31 <DanIsnotthemanBr> - plowsof doing monero rap
12:02:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1. We dunno 
12:02:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2. Not sure
12:02:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> 3. Hes sceduled for 40mins each night
12:06:52 <monerobull[m]> Does ruck have a talk?
12:07:22 <monerobull[m]> If yes, plowsof should voice it
12:07:55 <monerobull[m]> With the ai voice from the topia talk i would have stood up and left 😅
12:07:56 <ajs_[m]> plowsof:  most likely i will not try to push for funding the trip. i am busy with normal life and planning stuff for monerokon
12:09:34 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Maybe ruck can do a talk on the morbs and his article/ anaylsis
12:22:17 <ajs_[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Which is the only reason kon..." <- for the record we are not "losing money". we are still in the green. all invoices are approved in weekly meetings and are accounting books are open for public review
12:22:57 <ajs_[m]> i am making adjustments to expectations/plans and to remain in budget
12:23:07 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lol
12:23:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ok
12:23:27 <ajs_[m]> https://invoice.monerokon.com
12:24:26 <nioc> 1) collecting ccs before picking location <<>> the locations were narrowed done to 2 and which one was dependent on the monies raised   
12:24:29 <ajs_[m]> s/are/our/
12:24:41 <nioc> 2) collecting ccs before sponsors <<>> so sponsors should commit before there is much in the way of organization and before we have any sense of the budget?    
12:24:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nonsense
12:24:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
12:24:51 <nioc> 3) collecting ccs before ticket sales <<>> similar response as #2   
12:25:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nioc
12:25:02 <nioc> 4) ticket sales before speakers <<>> people kept asking "wen tickets" and don't see how this is an issue  
12:25:08 <nioc> 5) micromanaging meals <<>> huh   
12:25:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> anyone wany to call? Lmao
12:25:21 <ajs_[m]> putting the horse before the cart arguments
12:26:20 <ajs_[m]> actually that was directed at you
12:26:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> But other way around 
12:26:38 <ajs_[m]> if you can do a better job, by all means let's see you plan 2024
12:27:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2024 is my election year 
12:27:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Mayb 2025
12:27:54 <nioc> ofrn 4 president  \o/
12:33:12 <ajs_[m]> ofrnxmr you should start gathering sponsors and start ticket sales now
12:33:59 <ajs_[m]> pick a location and what not
12:34:05 <ajs_[m]> super easy
12:34:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> Before 2023 commences? Are ya retarded? 
12:34:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> I know youre trolling 
12:34:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> But do a better job of trolling 
12:34:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Im busy 
12:35:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> No time for ridiculous bullshit temper tantrums over hurt egos
12:36:04 <ajs_[m]> ofrnxmr:  just calling out on your provably false statements
12:37:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> without proof? Stop wasting my time
12:37:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Go sell some tix
12:37:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> crunch time
12:38:00 <ajs_[m]> " blew tens of thousands paying themselves to pay themselves "....  "300k project"
12:38:08 <ajs_[m]> false and false
12:38:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "(^ im exaggerating)" <- ^
12:38:45 <ajs_[m]> alternative facts
12:39:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> more like guesstimates 
12:39:01 <ajs_[m]> to make a nonsense point
12:39:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> 10k for merch pack
12:39:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nonsns point? Point us
12:39:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ticjet sales are tiny 
12:40:11 <ajs_[m]> 9k
12:40:30 <ajs_[m]> this info was in the ccs
12:40:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> And how much have you collected from ticjet sales
12:40:43 <ajs_[m]> these are being giving away for free
12:41:13 <ajs_[m]> check the https://invoice.monerokon.com
12:41:18 <ajs_[m]> all info is there
12:41:25 <ajs_[m]> do some basic research brah
12:41:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Right. 10k giveaways for how much revenue? 160 tickets?
12:42:29 <ajs_[m]> Total DR Funds as of May 4, 2023	€66'105.26
12:50:08 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Cryptpad is so painful on phones
12:52:41 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Easier if it was layouted out like revenue statement.
12:56:07 <ajs_[m]> updating sheet to include paid invoices. i'll share the pdf here in a bit
13:26:37 * ajs_[m] posted a file: (73KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/eLBkdiZNAviXLbAaDNcwCIXB/monerokon-2023-budget-21-05-2023.pdf >
13:27:16 <ajs_[m]> right now, we are in the green ~10.5k eur
13:29:59 <ajs_[m]> La Fabrika invoice #2 is not clear year
13:30:10 <ajs_[m]> could be a little less
13:30:32 <ajs_[m]> this is an estimate from last year's quote
13:31:17 <ajs_[m]> it is a guesstimate as ofrnxmr would call it
14:02:56 <plowsof11> "605.798 XMR worth of Bitcoin has been transformed into Monero" over the last 5 months https://nitter.it/UnstoppableSwap/status/1660260038718439430 
14:18:56 <nioc> ~3.4 bitscorn
14:21:17 <chesterfield[m]> I think he meant to say 605 xmr have been transformed into digital energy
14:31:06 <ajs_[m]> s/year/yet/
16:22:10 <ajs_[m]> Monero Istanbul meetup 31st May - https://www.meetup.com/monero-turkiye/events/293566360/
16:22:18 <ajs_[m]> Monero Ankara meetup 25th May - https://www.meetup.com/monero-turkiye/events/293674137/
17:20:14 <n1oc> selsta part-time monero development (3 months) is now fully funded! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/selsta-9.html
17:20:26 <n1oc> CCS Coordinator is now fully funded! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/plowsof-ccs-coordinator-2.html
17:20:39 <selsta> w0w
17:23:48 <nioc> damn n1oc beat me to it
17:24:52 <nioc> plowsof11: they are not overfunded, guess someone took off their shoes this time 
17:31:55 <plowsof11> wonderful news!
17:36:43 <plowsof11> nioc i have some bad news https://github.com/plowsof/scrape_ccs_fr/commit/db67317cc284ef488875e6ebde4cce8fb0ab0e07 0.005368005762 overfunding nooooo
17:45:21 <midipoet> Is that 241 XMR collected from perpetual overfunding (or am i reading that wrong?)?
17:45:40 <midipoet> *244 XMR
17:46:05 <plowsof11> yes (our mini yacht fund) 
17:48:09 <midipoet> i think we should buy more merch packs with it
17:48:33 <plowsof11> :D
17:48:50 <midipoet> yachts have maintenance costs
17:49:34 <plowsof11> wow i didnt think about this, you are correct 
18:10:13 <ajs_[m]> plowsof:  what is the remaining balance of the outreach ccs?
18:10:23 <ajs_[m]> i am about make a comment on it
18:10:48 <plowsof11> 36.67XMR
18:28:45 <ajs_[m]> proposal to revive Monero Outreach initiative https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/70#note_21324
19:10:34 <kinghat[m]> <n1oc> "selsta part-time monero developm..." <- noice!
19:10:40 * kinghat[m] uploaded an audio file: (23KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/gkDwQUgJdKpzyfosEWfhIPTj/w0w.mp3 >
19:18:30 <plowsof11> i.. i was funded too but the bridge didnt relay the message to matrix :( thanks everyone <3
19:54:22 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Pwnd
20:07:50 <kinghat[m]> <plowsof11> "i.. i was funded too but the..." <- "Heroes get remembered but legends never die kid"
20:22:13 * xmrscott says "Yar, time to ye bridge"
20:30:57 <DanIsnotthemanBr> @plowsof#1935 “Raspberry Pi Zero will remain in production until at least January 2026” hope seed signer is done before then.