00:58:20 <naphtha777[m]> wait i just realized i misunderstood what you said
01:25:25 <plowsof11> you need an extra one for the change output iirc
01:27:29 <naphtha777[m]>  tried slicing the destination array to 24 addresses but it didnt work
01:27:32 <naphtha777[m]> 16 didnt either
01:27:47 <naphtha777[m]> highest destination amount that worked was 15
02:09:29 <RavFX[m]> <naphtha777[m]> "highest destination amount..." <- because the #16 is the change
02:09:29 <RavFX[m]> I guess if you spend the output(s) completely (no change at all) then you can do 16
04:29:05 <naphtha777[m]> <RavFX[m]> "because the #16 is the change..." <- > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> because the #16 is the change
04:29:05 <naphtha777[m]> > I guess if you spend the output(s) completely (no change at all) then you can do 16
04:29:05 <naphtha777[m]> yeah that makes 100% sense but i still dont understand why transfer_split doesnt work at all
04:29:31 <naphtha777[m]> anyways i did my own bootleg transfer split implementation
04:30:32 <naphtha777[m]> waits for 10 blocks between 15 destination transactions so its slow but at least its faster than sending to 1 recipient at a time 
04:30:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lol wut
04:31:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Reinvent the wheel with corners? huh?
04:31:38 <naphtha777[m]> hey it works
04:31:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> I can send to 15 people every 10 minutes even if i only have 1 input in my wallet
04:32:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Every 20mins*
04:32:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> And i can send them all at once
04:32:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1 recipient at a time? What blockchain are you using?
04:33:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> its 15 Recipients per tx + 1 change output
04:34:07 <naphtha777[m]> yes, thats what im doing, im sending 15 at a time
04:34:20 <naphtha777[m]> my problem is that i have to send to more than 15 people
04:34:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> naphtha777[m]: ^ 
04:34:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Bootleg?
04:34:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> The official implementation is a round wheel
04:34:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Why bootleg it?
04:34:44 <naphtha777[m]> it doesnt work for me
04:34:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> User error
04:34:57 <naphtha777[m]> probably
04:36:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> Depending on your expencted volume, you need to keep change 
04:37:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> If youre writing this softwsre, make it auto split your inputs into 16 if you end up with 3 or less 
04:37:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Aka self spend 15 outputs 
04:37:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Then sent to your people 
04:38:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> * Aka send your self 1 output split into 15(16)*
04:38:48 <naphtha777[m]> why 16 outputs?
04:39:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> because its good for privacy 
04:39:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> anything other than 2 and 16 are rare 
04:40:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Also the size difference is negligible for a 1/16. Might has well use all the outputs you can if youre running a service that requires keeping a float
04:42:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> Take 16xmr outout, send to yourself in 1xmr/16x (just sent to wallets subaddress or whatever). Now you can send 15*15 transactions at once
04:42:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> 15*15 every 20 mins
04:42:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Kk gnite
04:44:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> also, i tend to think this convo is better suited for Monero Community Dev  or Monero 
10:12:58 <plowsof11> #monerujo:monero.social releases PocketChange (experimental - can only get it from github releases) [reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/r/Monerujo/comments/1412gah/update_for_the_fearless_monerujo_v337_pocket/) / [Commit](https://github.com/m2049r/xmrwallet/pull/901/files) 
11:02:59 <monerobull[m]> do we have a torrent for Monero Means Money?
11:26:40 * monerobull[m] posted a file: Mastering Monero First Edition by SerHack and Monero Community.pdf.torrent (21KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/pYUjxmTplEhQjGvHJFqrPrUB >
11:26:41 * monerobull[m] posted a file: Monero Means Money.mp4.torrent (39KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/SBJDGTdcsUrhseLEklDNmcUR >
11:26:45 <monerobull[m]> Now we have.
11:27:29 <monerobull[m]> If I did anything wrong, please tell me how to improve them :)
11:54:13 <plowsof11> monero nodes are seeing mastering monero and the bee movie script (not sure about monero means money) thanks monerobull!
11:54:13 <plowsof11> s/seeing/seeding
14:55:10 <TrasherDK[m]> <naphtha777[m]> "why 16 outputs?" <- I'm pretty sure that was explained previously.
15:01:35 <TrasherDK[m]> ofrnxmr: While I appreciate your urge to educate, your patience is exemplary. This person, naphtha777 , does not seem to comprehend, the answers given.
15:01:35 <TrasherDK[m]> It's pretty much, like mining btc with a CPU.
16:05:08 <Rucknium[m]> What is a good image to represent the EAE attack? Not necessarily literally a diagram, but some way to visually represent it? For my Monerotoptia presentation I used a screen capture from the Breaking Monero video (page 30): https://github.com/Rucknium/presentations/blob/main/Rucknium-Monerotopia-2023-Slides.pdf
16:47:33 <merope> I like this one (though it's technically EABE, and I'm not sure how well it might fit)
16:47:33 <merope> https://i.ibb.co/mCGgCZK/Monero-Link2-EABE-exclude.png
16:48:10 <merope> (Also, according to the [comment](https://libreddit.de/r/Monero/comments/idcfjj/no_one_has_reportedly_solved_this_monero_defcon/g2gd6h0/), it should be EABCE? But that doesn't seem right...)
17:31:18 <Lyza> I remember it being called EABCE before. I think it just got kind of shortened, but with a small ring size or a lot of repetitions of the EABCE pattern, I would think it could be analyzed broadly the same way