10:26:04 <plowsof11> monero.observer is [taking a break](https://monero.observer/monero-observer-announcement-on-break/). ccs updates: [tobtohts](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/376#note_21459) - [selstas](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/386#note_21462) 
10:26:39 <plowsof11>  [Amount of re-orgs over time vs hashrate](https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/102#issuecomment-1577827259) - suggests a reduction after Fluorine Fermi - chaserene
11:49:19 <monerobull[m]> can someone educate me on key images
11:50:00 <monerobull[m]> as far as i know, every output you receive has one
11:50:05 <monerobull[m]> so in featherwallet on an airgapped machine, how do you export those and add them to your hot view only wallet (so you know if your coldwallet ever gets compromised)?
11:52:11 <monerobull[m]> ah
11:52:13 <monerobull[m]> https://docs.featherwallet.org/guides/offline-tx-signing
11:52:47 <monerobull[m]> no way for key images to reveal your private keys right
11:53:32 <monerobull[m]> so in order to stay truly secure id import outputs from hot view to cold, export the key images via qr code and then destroy the USB stick right
12:14:20 <dEBRUYNE> monerobull[m]: There's a guide here basically: https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/2868/is-there-any-way-to-construct-a-transaction-manually
13:02:42 <plowsof11> <monerobull[m]> "no way for key images to..." <- key images for the general fund wallet can be found here https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/11fslu9/monero_general_fund_transparency_report_march_2023/
13:03:49 <plowsof11> if i obtain key images - without your private view-key/address - what information can i gather? this i do not know 
13:04:03 <monerobull[m]> Apparently nothing 
13:04:12 <monerobull[m]> Since you wouldn't know which outputs are mine
13:04:48 <monerobull[m]> I don't care THAT much if someone can see my coins after they compromise my hot pc
13:04:59 <monerobull[m]> As long as they can't access them 
13:05:21 <monerobull[m]> My view only wallet is literally called 
13:05:31 * monerobull[m] uploaded an image: (4KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/yOqcgdtccDgYVvIFteqPkwtO/grafik.png >
13:06:01 <plowsof11> there is a cli / python wallet that uses usb stick https://github.com/mmgen/mmgen 
13:06:51 <monerobull[m]> no thanks, im not plugging storage into my cold machine and then plug that into a hot one again
13:07:09 <monerobull[m]> that is the perfect way to get your seed extracted
13:08:49 <monerobull[m]> ill take a 4gb usb stick, export from feather on hot, plug into cold, import outputs, create key image, export those via QR (how big are key images?) and then melt the USB
13:10:02 <plowsof11> ideally a solution that uses tails usb stick with persistant storage so you can trust the OS is secure / dont have to harm the environment 
13:10:54 <monerobull[m]> yeah but the problem is attaching storage that was mounted on the cold machine to the internet
13:11:31 <monerobull[m]> if you dont do that, the feds can have as many zero days as theyd like, without physical access they arent getting to your keys
13:12:18 <monerobull[m]> key images for the general fund are too big for qr
13:12:42 <monerobull[m]> i hope that if you only have a handful of outputs its way less
13:13:30 <plowsof11> i know tobtoht has made a PoC for feather (animated QR's) for offline signing 
13:14:38 <plowsof11> but the key images are for keeping your view only wallet up to date )the GF does this to prove wgh
13:15:59 <plowsof11> s/wgh/what reality is. unsigned transactions are sent (requiring tens of QR's to transfer) and then the signed tx is sent back and broadcast 
13:16:58 <plowsof11> brain fart^ the key images allow the cold wallet to construct a tx of valid outputs yeye 
13:18:14 <plowsof11> @hinto was also interested in this topic 
13:21:13 <plowsof11> a tweet to https://twitter.com/MoneroSigner wouldnt hurt either 
13:23:29 <monerobull[m]> You can add key images to a view only wallet to see if an output gets spent, right? because that is the usecase i want here plowsof 
13:23:41 <monerobull[m]> i dont want to send any transactions
13:23:51 <monerobull[m]> just have reassurance that my coldwalet coins are still there
13:23:59 <monerobull[m]> s/coldwalet/coldwallet/
13:24:53 <monerobull[m]> i mean it has to be possible, otherwise how does it work on ledger wallets
13:25:07 <monerobull[m]> i doubt its loading the seed into ram