11:04:59 <plowsof11> Meeting today in ~4 hours https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/843 (how have you been? merge everything, monero events is poppin - also has a meeting today #monero-events:monero.social )  
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This weeks special guest is Anhdre
14:32:55 <chowbungaman[m]> talking about the new pocket change feature ! If anyone wants to jump on to say anything Monerokon please do!
14:54:21 <plowsof11> monerobull: anyone around to share that monerokon has tables available for people to show/sell things for monero on monerotopia?
15:00:12 <plowsof11> Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/843
15:00:44 <Rucknium[m]> Hi
15:00:45 <plowsof11> greetings friends 
15:00:45 <msvb-lab> Hello.
15:00:53 <BusyBoredom[m]> Hey
15:01:06 <ceetee[m]> hi :)
15:01:09 <hinto[m]> hi
15:02:17 <plowsof11> lets discuss some community highlights, i first just want to share some monero bounties info, as a few are in the process of being claimed
15:02:22 <plowsof11> [background sync with just the view key](https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8619) has a 10.5~xmr [bounty](https://bounties.monero.social/posts/41/) - which jberman says a portion will be shared with reviewers. 
15:02:22 <plowsof11> [Tests: Add blake2b Test Cases](https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8901) has a 6.5~xmr [bounty](https://bounties.monero.social/posts/75/) which a new contributor xFFC is in the process of completing (Koe and selsta busy reviewing)
15:02:22 <plowsof11> tobtoht will be getting 0.71 xmr for retroactively completing this [bounty](https://bounties.monero.social/posts/86/) for adding themes to featherwallet. (bounties are not for work already done but the funds where donated before it was marked as completed, some very enthusiastic donors)
15:02:22 <plowsof11> btc<->xmr atomic swap guides trnalsted into chinese. 1.5 xmr [bounty](https://bounties.monero.social/posts/5) - 0.3 of which is to be given to a reputable translator, anyone? (that isnt the person who submitted the doc)
15:05:46 <plowsof11> Rucknium has shared/brought into reality this fund raiser for churning research https://monerofund.org/projects/eae_attack_and_churning (reddit thread https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/144d6vo/magic_monero_fund_raising_funds_to_prevent_the/)
15:08:40 <plowsof11> monero observer is on a break, but the active newsletters this week have been https://revuo-xmr.com/ and https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard?language=en. ive also got a few items on the meeting issue 
15:09:42 <Rucknium[m]> There is progress on the BCH<>XMR 10.5 XMR bounty: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/1455rxe/bchxmr_atomic_swaps_solution_using_introspection/
15:10:31 <plowsof11> are they still waiting for h4shed to look/respond to that (he works with/for the farcaster team right?)
15:11:10 <Rucknium[m]> h4ashed and/or kayabaNerve
15:11:36 <Rucknium[m]> Still waiting? It was posted about 24 hours ago
15:12:35 <plowsof11> but i want to know now :'(
15:13:41 <plowsof11> Morpheus added https://moneroj.net/coincards/ (monero usage is increasing against btc) 
15:14:56 <plowsof11> i see gupax being mentioned more and more on reddit , and the releases page is active https://github.com/hinto-janai/gupax/releases nice work hinto 
15:16:23 <hinto[m]> someone please fund me an ARM mac
15:16:41 <hinto[m]> testing gupax via VMs and VPSs is painful :D
15:19:59 <plowsof11> maybe they could be included in a monerokon goodybag some day - a funding ccs like gingers ssd's but for hardware for some contributors seems plausible 
15:21:11 <plowsof11> anything else on anyones minds - waiting on invoices for RIAT to move stagnant funds from a ccs... cryptogrampys hotshop ccs was marked as completed the other day.. any outstanding payments for ccs payouts pls contact luigi1111 (i think everyone is paid for now)
15:21:19 <msvb-lab> What should be included, SSDs or Macintosh computers? I don't understand.
15:21:28 <BusyBoredom[m]> Slow progress on standalone acceptxmr, haven't gotten to put the time in I want to, but its not abandoned. 
15:22:15 <plowsof11> the irc bridge is playing up - msvb-lab it was just a dream - an entire MAC laptop in a goodybag is asking alot lol
15:22:36 <Rucknium[m]> OSPEAD is moving forward. I am running processes on over 200 threads.
15:22:39 <msvb-lab> Yes okay, a nice dream yes. Lots of things are possible, realistically.
15:24:34 <plowsof11> thanks for the updates, lets jump into the merge list 
15:24:43 <plowsof11>   a. [VostoEmisio Animated Core Concept Videos](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/387) -> voted for merge last meeting (Promises and assurances have been added)
15:25:24 <plowsof11> everyone feel the same way about merging this for funding of 9xmr? i left my own reasoning in this comment here https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/387#note_21398
15:28:57 <plowsof11> merge it, moving on b. [Wallet SDK for Android](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/388) -> More feedback has been obtained. Positive sentiment 
15:31:29 <plowsof11> ive had feedback from people wishing to haze valldrac for not delivering the other ccs, molly, and generally want assurances that monero will be integrated into molly - ive read the ccs, and each milestone has a verifiable payout criteria / positive feedback and valldrac is interacting well with the seraphis migration team already 
15:33:07 <plowsof11> (expiry dates also, and maintenance built in)
15:33:33 <r4v3r23[m]1> plowsof11: this CCS is not dependent on Molly, and has clear payout criterea. there is no reason to block it
15:34:00 <r4v3r23[m]1> ive tested the apk and helped valldrac test it to make the demo app usable
15:34:29 <r4v3r23[m]1> this CCS is important for the Android monero ecosystem. lets merge it
15:34:54 <plowsof11> thank you r4v3r23 - i also agree on merge (as do the updooters on the ccs)
15:35:17 <r4v3r23[m]1> where is the negative feedback coming from?
15:35:23 <luigi1111> :)
15:35:59 <r4v3r23[m]1> merge it and let valldrac, let the market decided if to fud, and have valldrac get to work
15:36:06 <r4v3r23[m]1> s/and let valldrac//
15:36:12 <r4v3r23[m]1> s/and let valldrac//, s/fud/fund/
15:36:53 <plowsof11> hi luigi1111
15:39:06 <r4v3r23[m]1> r4v3r23[m]1: plowsof? why are people trying to add extra requirements to the CCS for approval? why does molly need to add monero support for this CCS to be approved?
15:41:17 <plowsof11> it has already been promised, after the development milestone - which 6 months was the guestimate from valldrac, but has 9months before it expires* r4v3r23 are you going to hunt the negative people down and threaten them?
15:41:24 <r4v3r23[m]1> this SDK also will also enable more competition in the monero mobile market space, something sorely needed
15:42:02 <r4v3r23[m]1> plowsof11: no, but they havent expressed it on the CCS proposal so why shouldnt back channel discussions influence the decision?
15:42:09 <r4v3r23[m]1> s/shouldnt/should/
15:42:28 <r4v3r23[m]1> if they arent willing to say it publically then it should be discarded
15:42:34 <ceetee[m]> Is the last Molly CCS paid out?
15:42:55 <Rucknium[m]> r4v3r23: It seems completely reasonable to me for this discussion to involve Molly's track record of completing CCSes
15:43:35 <plowsof11> any feedback disclosed to me in private will come from myself (which isnt even the case here) lets not pretend like there are no negative feelings toward this 
15:43:52 <plowsof11> im saying merge but not trying to sweep everything under the rug 
15:44:19 <Rucknium[m]> I'm slightly positive for merge
15:44:21 <r4v3r23[m]1> Rucknium[m]: the reason for the SDK CCS is to fill the need for Molly's monero implementation. valldrac says so directly.
15:45:00 <r4v3r23[m]1> i get that molly has taken longer than poeple expect, but this proposal attempts to make progress towards that end
15:45:36 <r4v3r23[m]1> plowsof11: private negative feedback shouldnt influence a public process. whatevers peoples reservations are, should be made public. this reeks of gatekeeping
15:45:57 <r4v3r23[m]1> and if valldrac doesnt do the work, they dont get paid. so whats the problem here?
15:46:23 <Rucknium[m]> The problem is donors contribute money and then they dont get what they paid for
15:46:54 <r4v3r23[m]1> Rucknium[m]: there have been more ridiculous CCSs - looking at you, Haveno UI
15:46:56 <Rucknium[m]> Then the money is in limbo
15:47:31 <r4v3r23[m]1> valldrac has already done the najority of the work on the SDK, they are not asking for funding to start from scratch. at least 80% is done
15:47:35 <r4v3r23[m]1> s/najority/majority/
15:47:49 <ceetee[m]> Because the first Molly CCS hit so many roadblocks, I'm not convinced that this second CCS will be completed on time and on budget either. However in general I'm willing to gamble on programming proposals, especially if it's rather low level code like this. The potential benefits outweigh the risks in this case
15:48:19 <r4v3r23[m]1> absolutely. this CCS will benefit the ecosystem as a whole. not jut molly
15:49:53 <r4v3r23[m]1> "We've accomplished 80% of the development of the Android library for Molly's use case" <- low-risk for non-completion once funded
15:50:26 <plowsof11> merge it 
15:50:51 <ceetee[m]> r4v3r23[m]1: the last 20% always take the longest in every project
15:51:34 <r4v3r23[m]1> ceetee[m]: itll get done. valldrac has the incentive to finish so they can move on to molly
15:51:44 <r4v3r23[m]1> so yeah, merge it
15:52:47 <plowsof11> moving on (the outreach repurpose of funds is on-hold / and i assume will be changed) so lets skip and move on to   d. [jeffro256 full-time dev 2023Q3](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/390)    
15:52:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Merge it plowluig
15:52:59 <plowsof11> a clear merge 
15:53:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sdk n jeff 
15:54:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> Greetings
15:54:48 <plowsof11> hello
15:55:38 <Rucknium[m]> Not having a clear idea of exactly what wallet2 does when it selects decoys has been a big problem. jeffro says he will work on that in this CCS
15:55:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Any opposed to jeffro? We need work to keep moving.
15:56:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> Easy merge. Anything ekse?
15:56:22 <plowsof11> in summary: merge everything (but i assume sdk and jeff need to adjust rates and what not) jeffro256 also fix the typo on 4 months to 3
15:56:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> yes jeff
15:56:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fix typo
15:57:32 <plowsof11> hopefully ajs_ has not forgot about the out#reach funds and will update the plan for their usage for us to discuss at a later date.  
15:57:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> did ajs adenda item come up?
15:58:17 <plowsof11> on hold 
15:58:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nono
15:58:27 <r4v3r23[m]1> LFG
15:58:39 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ummm "plowsof can you ass to agenda"
15:58:39 <ajs_[m]> I haven't a chance to work on this, busy with monerokon stuff.. will try to get to it for next week
15:58:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> Add
15:58:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Somthing like that i remenber reading 
15:58:57 <plowsof11> ah oh thanks ajs_ 
15:59:15 <plowsof11> yes, if anyone is wanting to show/sell something for Monero at monerokon - they have tables available for you!
15:59:25 <ajs_[m]> yes, please
15:59:29 <ajs_[m]> we have the space
15:59:49 <ajs_[m]> DM me if you would like a table
16:00:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thanks 🙏
16:00:32 <plowsof11> i would like to sell a dinner date with plowsof to McDonalds around the corner, not yet finalised everything yet 
16:01:26 <plowsof11> thanks all for attending !
16:01:39 <msvb-lab> Good meeting, dankon everyone.
16:03:45 <ceetee[m]> plowsof11: check your PMs 😉
16:31:02 <ajs_[m]> meeting in 30 minutes in #monero-events:monero.social 
16:31:08 <ajs_[m]> will give status update
16:31:45 <ajs_[m]> and talk about potential reservation for monerokon 2024 (yes, we start early)
16:37:58 <msvb-lab> It was a bit too late to start 2024 when we did, and almost caused a reservation date loss.
18:44:21 <jeffro256[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Fix typo" <- Thanks for looking at those detais, and sorry about the typo. It has been fixed 
18:44:49 <jeffro256[m]> And thanks everyone for taking your time to look at my propsoal!
21:05:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thata not on monero.social
21:07:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ahh
21:07:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: sgp: 
21:07:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> BanhammerMonero: 
21:08:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thank you for the report
21:08:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Will be dealt with promptly
21:08:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Brown, can you dm me please 
21:15:33 <plowsof11> thanks, so gustv was already on our banned list. ive double checked and noticed they where not yet banned in cake wallets room .. monero.social mods have been notified 
21:16:51 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thank you plosof
22:08:58 <monerobull[m]> plowsof: check this out
22:09:05 <monerobull[m]> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/388
22:09:30 <monerobull[m]> Clowns in town.
22:20:02 <jeffro256[m]> I did that exact same thing b/c that's what I was told to do. Isn't necessarily malicious that community workgroup meeting was held on a price drop day. And anyways, the price has already been dumping for 2 weeks, there's no telling if it won't go down more 
22:20:42 <monerobull[m]> you changed from EMA to a set price (that purely by chance is the lowest one in like 3 months)?
22:21:17 <jeffro256[m]> No I didn't change my type of metric
22:21:52 <jeffro256[m]> Were they doing an averaged monthly price until today?
22:22:00 <monerobull[m]> yup
22:22:02 <monerobull[m]> EMA50
22:22:06 <monerobull[m]> now its 140$
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22:22:51 <monerobull[m]> There is no way to justify this
22:22:55 <jeffro256[m]> oh okay interesting (sorry I guess I didn't look as closely as you did)
22:24:11 <monerobull[m]> I have no problem with proposals adjusting to market conditions but this is obviously trying to get as much out of the community as possible 
22:24:18 <plowsof11> i see your point monerobull, i asked to update rates and both proposals are at 140$ - that increased the total by 8 xmr for the sdk 
22:25:08 <plowsof11> whats the ema50 on kraken now, 145?
22:25:26 <jeffro256[m]> Maybe I should pull the reverse and do EMA50 instead b/c I feel weird setting the price on such a personally advantageous day.What do you think?
22:26:45 <plowsof11> ma50 139?
22:28:10 <plowsof11> https://www.investing.com/crypto/monero/xmr-usd-technical
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22:29:08 <plowsof11> i asked them to update rates, 140$ is fine?
22:29:32 <plowsof11> 139 lol - did you really have to dump clown emojis sir?
22:29:39 <monerobull[m]> apparently it is. removing the EMA50 wording is still scummy even if its the same result
22:30:09 <plowsof11> so he should put ema50 back and put 139?
22:30:26 <monerobull[m]> 193.5 😌
22:30:34 <monerobull[m]>  * 139.5 😌
22:31:00 <plowsof11> i asked them both to update rates, its on me if anything 
22:31:28 <monerobull[m]> i just dont get why youd remove the EMA if its the same result
22:31:41 <r4v3r23[m]1> how dramatic
22:31:45 <DanIsnotthemanBr> <monerobull[m]> "Clowns in town." <- see, wonder why molly server went no where. pays devs in fiat
22:31:48 <jeffro256[m]> I think in general there should be a standardized way to select prices at time of merge, it's different for every single proposal
22:31:48 <plowsof11> he was in a rush today, to recalculate (assuming luigi was ready to click merge)
22:32:21 <monerobull[m]> plowsof11: removing the ema wording is more work than leaving it
22:32:35 <DanIsnotthemanBr> but isnt the votes based on the proposal not oh shit price drops better change
22:32:43 <plowsof11> 140 is not the ema, 139 is 😄
22:33:12 <r4v3r23[m]1> if bull's accusation was true, valldrac would have used 137 not 140
22:33:33 <plowsof11> >sees jeffro adjust to 140
22:33:33 <plowsof11> >notices ema50 is less than that
22:33:33 <plowsof11> >uses 140
22:33:38 <DanIsnotthemanBr> i think its the fact it was changed
22:33:40 <plowsof11> maybe?
22:33:50 <jeffro256[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: I'm fine having a contract denominated/settled in XMR, but when proposers put fiat comparisons and then the community disputes over the values (as they should to weight costs/benefits), there shouldn't be any ambiguity as to what the going rate is 
22:34:12 <r4v3r23[m]1> DanIsnotthemanBr: plowsof mentinoed already that rates were requested to be updated the day of the merge
22:34:52 <DanIsnotthemanBr> then maybe there should be a grace period for merge cause of the change. Cause the merge was based on the original proposal 
22:36:43 <plowsof11> i told them both to adjust rates (as i have others) - jeffro was 1st, valldrac later 
22:36:44 <ceetee[m]> update of the xmr value to match the requested dollar amount was discussed in todays meeting and no complains
22:37:13 <plowsof11> monerobull tried to cancel moneronodo and now he wants to ruin the android ecosystem 
22:37:19 <plowsof11> im literally crying rn
22:37:23 <monerobull[m]> fuck off 😂
22:37:24 <DanIsnotthemanBr> oo
22:37:55 <DanIsnotthemanBr> oh well add to the purgatory 
22:37:58 <monerobull[m]> without the context the nodo website looks like a scam
22:38:23 <plowsof11> i agree with you on that one , having not known who was involved
22:38:25 <monerobull[m]> so does monerosupplies.com
22:38:43 <monerobull[m]> actually, i have actual pictures of the product, not only renders
22:40:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fuck your fiat
22:44:39 <jeffro256[m]> Why the hate? They're very practical cars...
22:45:29 <DanIsnotthemanBr> when they work
22:46:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> Jeff, set your xmr rate
22:47:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> And stick withit.
22:47:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dont undervalueyourself to begin with!
22:48:00 <DanIsnotthemanBr> open check book...
22:48:10 <DanIsnotthemanBr> insert value
22:49:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> 25k for scams. You DO good work. Set your rates properly
22:52:20 <DanIsnotthemanBr> as the great beyonce says "i swear its deja vu"
22:54:19 <monerobull[m]> so do we still get the molly integration
22:54:54 <monerobull[m]> if we do, that was one hell of a price to pay, 500 XMR lol
22:55:52 <DanIsnotthemanBr> i think its seperate
22:55:56 <ceetee[m]> Dev work is expensive 🤷‍♂️
22:56:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> and its alpha the server isnt production either
22:56:15 <RavFX[m]> Oh, we are paying 500XMR to integrate XMR into yet another signal fork
22:56:26 <DanIsnotthemanBr> fork you!!
22:56:52 <RavFX[m]> add field for people to add there XMR address
22:56:52 <RavFX[m]> allow other people to see said user and XMR address.
22:56:52 <RavFX[m]> Take what, one hour of work?
22:57:12 <DanIsnotthemanBr> we can feed people in africa for that. monero outreach
22:57:27 <RavFX[m]> Yeah, give 500XMR to random african instead
22:57:50 <monerobull[m]> we could just use that to fund seraphis / actual monero-improving devs 😭
22:57:54 <DanIsnotthemanBr> mumuk?
22:58:08 <RavFX[m]> Yeah, seraphis do need it more, for actual real work
22:58:23 <plowsof11> buy monero dot com with it 
22:58:29 <monerobull[m]> lmao
22:58:31 <DanIsnotthemanBr> OO
22:59:07 <DanIsnotthemanBr> what about a new bike with matching watch
22:59:11 <RavFX[m]> plowsof11: But that, someone already paid for that if I remember 😂
22:59:26 <plowsof11> bring mj out of retirement, and lets make monero great again
22:59:39 <DanIsnotthemanBr> michael jackson?
22:59:43 <monerobull[m]> sgp yacht fund
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22:59:56 <DanIsnotthemanBr> its now a jet fund
23:00:02 <DanIsnotthemanBr> got upgraded
23:00:11 <DanIsnotthemanBr> before merge
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23:00:34 <RavFX[m]> Molly is opensource, can he have someone take that hour to integrate XMR address transfer in molly and push a pull request to there git?
23:00:44 <RavFX[m]> s/he/we/
23:01:05 <monerobull[m]> RavFX[m]: and give them 500 XMR 😆
23:01:06 <RavFX[m]> I want a jet
23:01:23 <RavFX[m]> monerobull[m]: non, use the XMR for seraphis or whatever
23:01:31 <monerobull[m]> RavFX[m]: liability
23:01:31 <DanIsnotthemanBr> end of year jet ride
23:01:49 <RavFX[m]> monerobull[m]: I just want to fly it, don't have to be mine
23:02:02 <DanIsnotthemanBr> fly to where
23:02:02 <monerobull[m]> then you want to charter jets, not a jet
23:02:06 <RavFX[m]> I don't want to be in the boring place (in the back)
23:02:07 <DanIsnotthemanBr> monero island
23:02:24 <RavFX[m]> DanIsnotthemanBr: Whatever actual jet owner want lol
23:02:29 <monerobull[m]> microsoft flight sim is pretty good 👍
23:02:42 <DanIsnotthemanBr> can we just give sgp that?
23:02:59 <RavFX[m]> monerobull[m]: I have Xplane 12.
23:02:59 <RavFX[m]> The microsoft sim is nice too but I don't feel to bother more with wine
23:03:03 <DanIsnotthemanBr> blind folder to you new jet and then its M4 simulator
23:03:20 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/you/your/
23:03:22 <Rucknium[m]> monerobull: jeffro256  is probably underpricing his labor from the beginning, anyway.
23:03:50 <DanIsnotthemanBr> s/you/your/, s/M4/M$/
23:04:46 <monerobull[m]> i wasnt talking about jeffros proposal at all
23:05:29 <DanIsnotthemanBr> jeffro has immunity agreement 
23:05:59 <Rucknium[m]> oh
23:06:10 <monerobull[m]> love me some actual dev proposals
23:06:17 <DanIsnotthemanBr> i think we need to stop using conversion in proposals
23:06:45 <DanIsnotthemanBr> xmr value is ok = yes, no  or plowsof
23:07:13 <Rucknium[m]> I guess I should have memorized the CCS number or clicked on the link. I was confused since jeffro started responding
23:07:50 <DanIsnotthemanBr> i dont think none of us were talking about jeffro proposal?
23:07:56 <DanIsnotthemanBr> hope not
23:08:14 <plowsof11> i sacrificed several moneros so i could put up my proposal on april 4/20 for 69xmr
23:08:36 <DanIsnotthemanBr> i agree with that number
23:08:59 <Rucknium[m]> No. we should start using XMR futures markets :P
23:09:01 <DanIsnotthemanBr> 👉️👈️
23:09:48 <monerobull[m]> Rucknium[m]: could that be done on serai
23:10:07 <monerobull[m]> kayabanerve: pls fix the CCS for us
23:10:30 <kayabanerve[m]> ?
23:10:36 <monerobull[m]> Monero futures 
23:10:46 <Rucknium[m]> I don't know. BCH has an on-chain futures market
23:10:51 <kayabanerve[m]> I will block you and everyone who has ever touched this roon
23:10:53 <kayabanerve[m]> s/roon/room/
23:10:57 <Rucknium[m]> Named BCH Bull. You would be friends
23:11:00 <kayabanerve[m]> :P
23:11:02 <DanIsnotthemanBr> lol
23:11:07 <monerobull[m]> You could fix the CCS!
23:11:48 <DanIsnotthemanBr> monerobull<->BCH bull atomic swap