03:57:52 <ajs_[m]> i wonder if there would be the same reaction for twitter api policy changes
04:00:43 <ajs_[m]> twitter started charging for api access as well
05:20:28 <monerobull[m]> api on twitter affects regular people less directly
05:21:02 <monerobull[m]> more people used alternative reddit frontends than for twitter and moderation isnt handled by a bunch of volunteers with hacky tools that all need the api
11:22:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> <ajs_[m]> "twitter started charging for api..." <- vik (Cake):  does this effect birdpay?
13:55:11 <sgp[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "vik (Cake):  does this effect..." <- Not yet, but I don't know why it hasn't 😂 Their API platform is a hot mess right now
13:59:19 <sgp[m]> <ajs_[m]> "i wonder if there would be the..." <- speaking as myself, I'm not as mad as others about the basic idea of charging money for API access. Servers cost money, and expecting someone to just... front the bill is a little silly. But the response from Reddit's leadership has been completely uncompromising about basic things, unnecessarily abrasive, etc.
14:19:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> well. These platforms arent "free". Not paying to use them, maybe, but dont twitter, reddit etc all make money off of user data
14:21:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> i guess i understand charging for api might be how they make more money off of user data.. but if activelt charging users to access their own data (like a subrrddit) is ridiculous
14:23:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> My tweets are public, but for some reason i need to pay to access them or am breaking terms of i do some workaround
14:26:45 <ofrnxmr[m]> Either twitter needs to take full responsibility for whatever i post AND charge people to read em via their api, OR they need to avoid taking responsibility for my public posts and allow anybody to scrape them without breaking tos
14:27:20 <ofrnxmr[m]> Didnt congress just grill tiktok with the same questions about handling/sale of user data
14:58:23 <ceetee[m]> <sgp[m]> "speaking as myself, I'm not as..." <- its not about charging something, its about the pricing. The average user makes reddit 12ct/month, however they want to charge eg. Apollo 20x that for equivalent API access.
14:58:23 <ceetee[m]> These are "fuck you" prices specifically chosen to kill 3rd party apps
14:58:55 <sgp[m]> ceetee[m]: > <@ctrej:matrix.org> its not about charging something, its about the pricing. The average user makes reddit 12ct/month, however they want to charge eg. Apollo 20x that for equivalent API access.
14:58:55 <sgp[m]> > 
14:58:55 <sgp[m]> > These are "fuck you" prices specifically chosen to kill 3rd party apps
14:58:55 <sgp[m]> sure, I also agree with you there
15:51:20 <xmrscott[m]> Mainly the scrapers for language modeling like ChatGPT from what I recall, but it regrettably destroys everything else
17:39:18 <Lovera[m]> When cakepay web online ? 
17:59:25 <vikCake[m]> <Lovera[m]> "When cakepay web online ?..." <- working on it
20:34:27 <DanIsnotthemanBr> https://nitter.sethforprivacy.com/deverickapollo/status/1668235335648567297
20:34:28 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Beta on umbrel
20:45:24 <monerobull[m]> Monero.house is turning into Monero.town
20:45:56 <monerobull[m]> If you already have a house account, please create a town account and comment its name in this thread with  your house account (put this link in the searchbar on house https://monero.town/post/2)
20:46:23 <monerobull[m]> The house domain was toxic (from crypto scammers in 2018) and the server was underpowered so we're moving
20:46:45 <monerobull[m]> Sorry for the inconvenience 😓
20:51:58 <RavFX[m]> oh :/
20:52:14 <monerobull[m]> house was a damn cool domain too :,(
20:53:26 <monerobull[m]> getting blocked on a DNS level is just very very bad for a community forum
20:56:07 <monerobull[m]> uhm
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20:56:16 <monerobull[m]> this is not good, lets people impersonate others
20:56:25 <RavFX[m]> lol
20:56:30 <monerobull[m]> ill approve these but plz do what the post says
20:57:00 <RavFX[m]> Protip, you need an activated account to post...
20:57:31 <monerobull[m]> nope
20:57:31 <monerobull[m]> you need your monero.house account
20:57:38 <monerobull[m]> and then you post in the migration thread to confirm your new account
20:57:47 <silverpill[m]> monerobull[m]: Have you seen my comment regarding Quad9?
20:57:47 <silverpill[m]> Most DNS servers are not blocking this domain, at least according to this tool: https://dnschecker.org/#A/monero.house
20:57:58 <RavFX[m]> You must log in or register to comment.
20:58:02 <monerobull[m]> federation
20:58:21 <RavFX[m]> oh well lol, indeed
20:58:42 <monerobull[m]> you use your house account, federate over to the post on town and comment there
21:06:32 <MajesticBank> https://www.virustotal.com/gui/url/c389de5a0d3fd23fba57617f4cc6f44d7bfa2d86835b08c469eb108262c92841/detection
21:06:57 <monerobull[m]> Yeah
21:07:09 <MajesticBank> might be better emailing each of vendors one by one, they are often happy to remove blacklist
21:07:13 <monerobull[m]> The house burned down in 2018, i just didnt notice when i bought it 
21:07:26 <monerobull[m]> MajesticBank: i did already
21:07:39 <monerobull[m]> about half removed it, half just didnt respond
21:08:00 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Yeah its on a lot of dnsbl 
21:08:10 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Nextdns blocks it
21:09:20 <MajesticBank> They love to ignore  when monero related content is in question
21:10:11 <monerobull[m]> some are just actually doing extortion
21:10:20 <monerobull[m]> hurr durr pay our delisting fee 
21:10:21 <monerobull[m]> fuck you
21:16:48 <RavFX[m]> If only the reddit mods update there message and confirm they leave there /r private "until they decide to make it public" instead of "the 14"
21:20:08 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Plowsof one was a good one
21:23:11 <monerobull[m]> <RavFX[m]> "If only the reddit mods update..." <- i can do that
21:24:23 <monerobull[m]> uh the r/monero message doesnt say a date
21:25:17 * monerobull[m] uploaded an image: (13KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/OreOXZugGsIVxppORehXsSla/grafik.png >
21:25:18 <monerobull[m]> I changed to monero.town while i was there though 😋
21:32:15 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Hard forked to monero.town
21:34:27 <monerobull[m]> What, you mean i should just have it say "r/Monero hardforked to monero.town"? lmao
21:34:28 <monerobull[m]> i cant do that
21:36:24 <MajesticBank> exit scam
21:37:14 <cryptogrampy[m]> HOW DO I ACCESS MY MONERO ON MONERO.HOUSE  I CAN"T OPEN THE WEBSITE ANYMORE
21:37:42 <cryptogrampy[m]> ARE THE WALLETS BEING MIGRATED TO MONERO.TOWN??
21:39:44 <monerobull[m]> > I CAN"T OPEN THE WEBSITE ANYMORE
21:39:46 <monerobull[m]> false
21:40:08 <monerobull[m]> website will run some more weeks
21:40:43 <DanIsnotthemanBr> Shift key again