00:05:52 <xmrscott[m]> Country of origin shouldn't matter much in a phone security model IMO for the everyday folk. Saudi Arabia and others are known to exploit 0 days on Americans which likely had a hand in the PGA merger. Exploits used by 5 Eyes can just as easily be used by other entities as seen with Vault 7. There are 0day merc companies like Cytrox that sell to whoever. Don't use a phone if you're truly concerned about nation state actors is the take
00:05:52 <xmrscott[m]> away. Your phone *will* get hacked if you're valuable enough to burn 0days and time on. Fortunately few if any folk here are.
00:05:52 <xmrscott[m]> If you want a phone factor where you can easily remove the cellular modem and have a hw kill switch for WiFi: Librem5
00:21:32 <r4v3r23[m]> <xmrscott[m]> "Country of origin shouldn't..." <- > <@xmrscott:monero.social> Country of origin shouldn't matter much in a phone security model IMO for the everyday folk. Saudi Arabia and others are known to exploit 0 days on Americans which likely had a hand in the PGA merger. Exploits used by 5 Eyes can... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/618f6638d404f17fd3b0f266a26df5c440630c5a>)
00:21:37 <r4v3r23[m]> <xmrscott[m]> "Country of origin shouldn't..." <- > <@xmrscott:monero.social> Country of origin shouldn't matter much in a phone security model IMO for the everyday folk. Saudi Arabia and others are known to exploit 0 days on Americans which likely had a hand in the PGA merger. Exploits used by 5 Eyes can... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/6289429c3912304488b9cc6ae3e8a618aa6ab23e>)
00:22:38 <r4v3r23[m]> pinephones also have hardware kill switches for radio
02:07:32 <cryptogrampy[m]> At the very least, we need more options than trezor/ledger
05:54:56 <ceetee[m]> seedsigner pls. are there any updates on this plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: ?
05:57:03 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Before pico is obsolete 
15:20:12 <plowsof11> ceetee🇧🇪: we have tweets and a teaser about a future project (hardware wallet using a pico ero) , thats the best i can offer
15:20:46 <ceetee[m]> on the twitter?
16:36:00 <dEBRUYNE> https://twitter.com/beczka2006/status/1671224544693026817/photo/1
16:36:12 <dEBRUYNE> Bit odd, may be worthwhile for the Monero Regulatory Workgroup to reach out
17:21:06 <selsta> dEBRUYNE: it feels like they are banning and unbanning without really knowing what they are doing
18:22:01 <xmrscott[m]> Yeah... they opted for we completely operate outside of regulation so they probably don't have the builtup legal knowledge to know what is actually lawful
18:22:01 <xmrscott[m]> "Binance's CCO (chief compliance officer) "bluntly admitted to another Binance compliance officer in December 2018, 'we are operating as a fking unlicensed securities exchange in the USA bro,'" according to the lawsuit. The CCO was also quoted as saying, "We do not want [Binance].com to be regulated ever.""
18:22:01 <xmrscott[m]> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/06/sec-sues-binance-says-it-evaded-us-law-with-extensive-web-of-deception/
19:25:42 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Yeah think there going crypto only trading, no fiat
19:25:56 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Dunno how thats going to workout for them
19:33:31 <sgp[m]> <xmrscott[m]> "Yeah... they opted for we..." <- > <@xmrscott:monero.social> Yeah... they opted for we completely operate outside of regulation so they probably don't have the builtup legal knowledge to know what is actually lawful
19:33:31 <sgp[m]> > "Binance's CCO (chief compliance officer) "bluntly admitted to another Binance compliance officer in December 2018, 'we are operating as a fking unlicensed securities exchange in the USA bro,'" according to the lawsuit. The CCO was also quoted as saying, "We do not want [Binance].com to be regulated ever.""
19:33:31 <sgp[m]> > https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/06/sec-sues-binance-says-it-evaded-us-law-with-extensive-web-of-deception/
19:33:31 <sgp[m]> gah, silly
19:33:53 <sgp[m]> I wonder if CoinCenter has any contacts at all