08:09:11 <msvb-lab> Folks, I don't know how it happened but the idea of books, badges, and materials at Defcon has been mixed up quite a lot.
08:09:21 <msvb-lab> The only valid idea (which we can reject or accept) is to distribute Monero instead of the typical Bitcoin things, it's a very simple idea.
08:10:24 <msvb-lab> And there are a lot of good reasons to deny Monero this and other opportunities at Defcon and Blackhat but we (in this channel) have the choice, not other groups.
08:11:07 <msvb-lab> There is no censorship at all. Like if we decide to vote against it then there will be less Monero in Vegas, that's all.
08:23:00 <msvb-lab> Nobody should worry, there will be a rich offering of cryptocurrency materials at Defcon. We already have backup plans with Web3 groups and Bitcoin groups, if we decide to postpone, reduce, or cancel the Monero distributions.
08:23:42 <msvb-lab> And in the absolute worst case, if we decide to completely cancel all Monero branded giveaways, then there will still be the Monero branded merchpacks (same as at Konferenco) available for commercial sale.
08:24:21 <msvb-lab> Those include hats that several people seem to eagerly want.
08:24:48 <msvb-lab> So the high anxiety relating to failure at Defcon is not realistic.
08:26:43 <msvb-lab> If you are still concerned about failure, please no dms but rather event based discussion on #monero-events or CCS based discussion on #monero-community.
11:06:27 <monerobull[m]> havent looked at the bounty page in a long time, crazy how much xmr is on there 
11:47:07 <plowsof11> maybe a "bring successonly.work back online" bounty to test the waters for https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/395 
11:47:30 <plowsof11> recanman: i feel like theres too much going on now with this, re-write bitejo and turn it into everything 
11:47:33 <naphtha[m]> what was successonly.work
11:47:40 <naphtha[m]> ive never used it
11:47:50 <naphtha[m]> or heard of it before yesterday
11:50:19 <plowsof11> discontinued but it was https://monero.observer/spirobel-announces-monero-remote-worker-site-afghans/ 
11:51:57 <naphtha[m]> have the taliban develop your software
11:52:00 <naphtha[m]> incredibly based
12:19:17 <SNeedlewoods> lol at the discussion of the most recent post on the bounties site
12:20:48 <plowsof11> if people are not trying to claim fund by pasting chatgpt responses then you do not have a successful bounties site!
12:21:05 <plowsof11> s/fund/funds
12:24:18 <naphtha[m]> wintoddlers btfo
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13:40:13 <Siren[m]> <naphtha[m]> "have the taliban develop your..." <- Sharia compliant VPS provider that accepts sharia compliant monero (beldex) inshallah
13:43:31 <naphtha[m]> Siren[m]: bismillah
14:01:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> <msvb-lab> "Those include hats that several..." <- Nice. 
14:01:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> jk
14:02:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> are those 400 badges already in existence?
14:04:39 <plowsof11> if people want a hat or badge why can't they go to a monerodevices.com website and buy it like here https://shop.defcon.org/products/def-con-30-human-badge-with-lanyard
14:06:33 <plowsof11> (defcon does not accept crypto) 
14:15:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because its easier to ccs vs retail, duh
14:16:08 <plowsof11> next meeting on the 8th (a new idea posted today 'XMR Business wallet development' https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/857 
14:17:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> So, rino?
14:19:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: Nope
14:19:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is OP here? No good. 
14:19:53 <ofrnxmr[m]> >It then automatically forwards the funds to either cold storage (for merchants who want to keep their funds as Monero), or automatically converts the Monero to a stable coin pegged to USD. This will allow merchants to easily accept Monero with all the pros, without any of the cons (the volitility of crypto). 
14:20:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🚮
14:20:41 <plowsof11> stable coins are sometimes not stable (mileage may vary)
14:21:26 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fiat is not stable (rofl lmfao wtf )
14:21:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> And auto 2x thetransactipn count smh
14:21:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> Naive proposal 
14:21:57 <plowsof11> comradeblin: is here yes 
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14:22:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> comradeblin:  lmk if you have any questions, but  your ccs is a big no from me
14:23:24 <spirobel[m]> <plowsof11> "maybe a "bring successonly...." <-... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/ff6828940af8e1c388fbf884f3b52c752e20645c>)
14:23:36 <naphtha[m]> who removed my message 😾
14:24:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> We plan to initially use SideShifts API for auto-conversions, though we would also like to implement Trocador as another auto-conversion option
14:24:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Seriously dog shit attempt, sorry
14:25:18 <ofrnxmr[m]>  > This is needed, because ERC-20 stable coins have transaction fees that are too high to be useful
14:25:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Rofl. Business shitcoin 101
14:25:52 <spirobel[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Is OP here? No good...." <- > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Is OP here? No good. 
14:25:52 <spirobel[m]> > 
14:25:52 <spirobel[m]> > >It then automatically forwards the funds to either cold storage (for merchants who want to keep their funds as Monero), or automatically converts the Monero to a stable coin pegged to USD. This will allow merchants to easily accept Monero with all the pros, without any of the cons (the volitility of crypto).
14:25:52 <spirobel[m]> what was this?
14:25:58 <plowsof11> thanks for the detailed reply spirobel 
14:27:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> > These can then be sold to put money in the merchants bank account. We believe that this can be done for less than the cost of credit card processing fees (3%). 
14:27:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> ^ math?? No, it cant be
14:27:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> S8deshift?! Lmf`o
14:28:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Thats like 2.5% fom the jump
14:28:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> spirobel[m]: From ccs https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/398
14:32:27 <sech1> Since we're talking about legitimate businesses and not drug dealers, sending to Kraken and auto-converting using their API makes more sense (using some buffer XMR deposited there to account for unlock time and deposit confirmation delay).
14:32:38 <sech1> using sideshift is too expensive
14:33:23 <sech1> Kraken has xmr/usd and xmr/euro pairs, so no need to juggle with stablecoins.
14:34:37 <plowsof11> i think this can be handled by btcpay server also https://docs.btcpayserver.org/FAQ/General/#does-btcpay-server-support-crypto-to-fiat-conversion 
14:35:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> sech1: Butttt
14:35:39 <plowsof11> 3 years old repo / alpha state though 
14:35:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> where do we get out % from then?!
14:36:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/out/our
14:56:04 <MajesticBank> the ccs is well written because it explains technology where wallet will be coded and platforms available 
14:56:19 <MajesticBank> also previous work is well documented 
15:00:32 <MajesticBank> would be maybe better just to make a pull for rino or monerujo, that would do such thing as accepting payments
15:18:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> <sech1> "Kraken has xmr/usd and xmr/..." <- ^
15:19:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Well written? Maybe. still rather clueless / naive / incorrect / money grab
15:20:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> convert to stablecoins vis sideshift and advertise 3%? Didnt even DYOR before writing this well written wild guess
16:43:14 <msvb-mob> plowsof11: The reason you can only buy cryptosecure electronics and accessories on Monero Devices and its distributors (Cyphermarket, Hak5, Hacker Warehouse) is to reduce damaging distractions.
16:43:17 <msvb-mob> Similar manufacturers like Nitrokey, Ledger, Shift Crypto, and Stephan Electronics do the same thing.
16:44:08 <msvb-mob> If Monero Devices sells fashion items, party tickets, sports entry, or whatever else, it is likely just a favour to a select group. The tickets or other things would not be sold on the main site.
16:58:52 <plowsof11> https://www.cyphermarket.com/ has some nice tshirts and accessories 
17:00:12 <plowsof11> no hats though :'( 
17:12:11 <msvb-lab> Almost everyplace that sells fashion is not designing the items with control over manufacturing.
17:12:11 <msvb-lab> So the label will usually be Cafe Press, Spreadshirt, Hanes, or similar.
17:13:18 <msvb-lab> If that's okay, and quality is not a priority, then there are surely places that sell hats like Tindie, Ali Express, Ebay, or Monero Merch.
17:14:09 <msvb-lab> Or just go to Spreadshirt, Cafe Press, Redbubble and upload your graphics.
17:15:00 <msvb-lab> ...or go to Defcon or Konferenco for the authentic (Monero Devices) designer items.
17:15:06 <msvb-lab> There are a lot of options, I think.
17:44:44 <hbs[m]> <plowsof11> "no hats though :'(..." <- monero merch has a bucket hat, only one size though and no nice lining like the one from monero devices 
18:03:09 <naphtha[m]> gucci bucket hat gucci bucket hat
20:13:09 <recanman[m]> <plowsof11> "recanman: i feel like theres too..." <- It is not out of my skill range. Rather, I enjoy working on these things. I'm currently in a bad situation and I would like something worthwhile to work on.
20:13:18 <recanman[m]> test
20:14:53 <recanman[m]> s/'m//, s/currently in a bad situation and I//
22:15:23 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> I had a thought, cause sdk isnt get the funding, should move molly server funding to sdk, cause the bank interest is shit and whats the point.
22:16:07 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> s/get/getting/
22:20:51 <plowsof11> moneroinflation.com 
22:21:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> need to see how much is left
22:31:19 <plowsof11> https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/ 
22:31:51 <plowsof11> vtnerds proposal will be up for funding .soon luigi1111
22:47:38 <luigi1112> yes