00:00:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> 20k for badges to giveaway
00:00:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2k for defcon booth etc 
00:01:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> <louissignet[m]> "Just needs some rework" <- "Some" 
00:01:01 <ofrnxmr[m]> facepalm
00:01:40 <louissignet[m]> Yeah. I proposed some alternative in the merge comments.
00:02:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> <louissignet[m]> " I like the idea. I got into the..." <- serious question. Did you read the ccs before claiming to like the idea?
00:02:20 <louissignet[m]> Giving away free merch is not a good use of resources
00:03:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> its not free either
00:03:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> msvb-mob:  are these badges already produced
00:04:11 <louissignet[m]> Yeah. It's a lot of money to just give away in badges.
00:04:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> 36k
00:04:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Is half of monerokon ccs
00:04:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> And more than monerokon gross ticket sales revenue
00:04:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> Msvb is king of charlatans
00:05:28 <louissignet[m]> Also two orders of magnitude of difference in attendance
00:06:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> one is our conference
00:06:09 <ofrnxmr[m]> One is a booth
00:06:10 <louissignet[m]> So of course outreach is gonna be more expensive there. Nonetheless expending money just to give it away is not a good use of resources 
00:06:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Lmfao
00:06:22 <louissignet[m]> I would still support creating a monero booth of some kind
00:06:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Wow
00:06:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> People just spit bullshit out of their mouthes 
00:06:40 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ridiculous
00:06:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Fact: renting a fucking venue always cost mlre than a fuckinf booth
00:06:56 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cmon mow
00:06:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Now
00:07:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> This isnt the superbowl
00:07:20 <louissignet[m]> The booth is like 1.5k no?
00:07:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
00:07:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> And the ccs is 36k
00:07:59 <ofrnxmr[m]> Because msvb needs to sell his merch that he cant sell
00:08:40 <nioc> for 20k we can give away 120xmr
00:08:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> 20k for badges. Whats the profit margin there? Doesnt sound like 0 to me
00:08:56 <louissignet[m]> I say yeah booth and staff, no free merch 
00:09:10 <plowsof11> https://shop.defcon.org/products/def-con-31-pre-registration-ticket $460 for GA ticket? 
00:10:02 <louissignet[m]> maybe even use the booth to setup a no-kyc exchange like the one in monerokon. Or even a "IRL dark market" where attendes can sell their own shit there 
00:10:15 <louissignet[m]> No expensive merch involved, just education and a cool experience.
00:10:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> louissignet[m]:  And he can forget about that 5% buffer
00:10:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Nonsense
00:10:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> We move 5% every week
00:10:42 <naphtha[m]> plowsof11: rumao rumao roru roru
00:10:43 <ofrnxmr[m]> Built in excuses smh
00:11:10 <plowsof11> wait, $460 has the defcon badge included
00:11:13 <naphtha[m]> i could buy so much drugs for 460 american liberty gas bucks
00:12:31 <naphtha[m]> what the fuck does that badge do that it costs so much
00:12:35 <naphtha[m]> is it made of solid gold?
00:12:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Look, they arebt retarded 
00:12:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> ` The fee to cancel a ticket until July 15th 2022 is $34.00. 
00:12:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> The fee to cancel after July 15th is $84.00. `
00:13:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monerokon "no refunds cuz we dont have yur money"
00:15:43 <louissignet[m]> I wonder how CCC is doing lately. I remember going after defcon and feeling like this is what it is supposed to be.
00:15:49 <ofrnxmr[m]> naphtha[m]: $75. Only $25 more than msvb bulk offer for his at $50/per
00:16:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> And like $150 if buying solo
00:17:25 <plowsof11> louis.saberhagen: i nominate you to do the illegal things you suggest others to do in your ccs comment. heres some illegal books / religious books for your carry-on case 
00:18:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> Are these leftover monerokon stuff? If so, why is there 400? Did he sell 0? Produce more than kon attendance capacity? Plan ahead and create extra to save costs when selling them to another ccs? 
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00:20:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> The last paragraph is 🥲🥲🥲
00:21:06 <ofrnxmr[m]> What tf do religious books have to do with cryptography and cryptocurrency
00:21:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> "educate"
00:21:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> im not sure you understand the word
00:22:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Theres 0 correlation with knowledge about monery + the communist manifesto / bible / dr suess
00:23:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> "im a rebel" 
00:23:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> is that whatvyou mean? 
00:23:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> cuz.. youre not
00:24:53 <louissignet[m]> <plowsof11> "louis.saberhagen: i nominate you..." <- Are there any illegal books in the US?
00:25:08 <louissignet[m]> I thought the whole idea of publishing PGP as a book is because it's perfectly legal
00:25:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes
00:26:47 <ofrnxmr[m]> Pedophelia is being nornalized
00:26:57 <ofrnxmr[m]> so perhaps not
00:27:22 <louissignet[m]> I was just spouting possible ideas. Not a literal list.
00:27:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> Well.. ccs
00:27:44 <ofrnxmr[m]> Dont give shit ideas please
00:28:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Enough noise coming from the charlatan proposer and his soon to be cheerleaders
00:28:19 <louissignet[m]> Aight, I'll keep them here
00:31:53 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Jebus said thou shall use monero 
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00:35:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> ```
00:35:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> Many groups (Monero adversaries and most of Defcon management) hope for cancellation of the services provided by this CCS, so it would align with their interests to reject this proposal.
00:35:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> ```
00:35:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> finishes with fud / manipulation
00:36:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Reeeejected
00:36:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Someone else wanna go?
00:36:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Msbv can sit at home for this one
00:37:09 <louissignet[m]> > After negotiating with Defcon management for eight months, we secured an assignment in the Caesars Forum Defcon vendor area. We are the only cryptocurrency or blockchain group at Defcon this year.
00:37:16 <louissignet[m]> This is the salvageable part
00:37:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> ```
00:37:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Even better would be finding someone in Vegas to man a table with Monero flyers, which would cost a much more reasonable ~$5,000 total. - sgp
00:37:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> ```
00:37:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> agreed
00:37:38 <louissignet[m]>  * After negotiating with Defcon management for eight months, we secured an assignment in the Caesars Forum Defcon vendor area. We are the only cryptocurrency or blockchain group at Defcon this year.
00:37:49 <plowsof11> and i agree with Justins comment also, there are positives here 
00:37:57 <louissignet[m]>  * > After negotiating with Defcon management for eight months, we secured an assignment in the Caesars Forum Defcon vendor area. We are the only cryptocurrency or blockchain group at Defcon this year.
00:38:46 <plowsof11> depends on if msvb adjusts the proposal or not 
00:39:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> If not, im voting to 🚮 it at meeting. Not stalling.
01:08:42 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Use a homeless person or a person who lost it all on black!!
01:21:48 <naphtha[m]> skill issue
01:22:00 <naphtha[m]> shouldve known the pattern
05:07:44 <ceetee[m]> <naphtha[m]> "what the fuck does that badge do..." <- If its like the Monerokon Badge: I estimate components are 20€ total, with assembly and case a badge may cost 30€.
05:07:44 <ceetee[m]> I didn't get one of the "free" (sponsored by firo) units at monerokon, so I asked msvb to purchase a retail one. I was ready to pay 50€ on the spot ("fair" markup for retail I think) but I got quoted 160€ 💀💀💀 
05:07:44 <ceetee[m]> Giving away any non-monero related hardware is a joke on its own, expecting the community to pay those kind of markups is ridiciolous. And if it actually cost you 50€ to make: lol, learn to optimize and improve production workflow
05:07:44 <ceetee[m]> I agree with Justin's suggestion: Salvage the booth for some presence at defcon and that's enough
05:38:32 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Monero Capitalism
06:20:19 <TrasherDK[m]> <recanman[m]> "1 XMR is 1 XMR" <- That's true. But how many eggs are 1 XMR?
06:20:45 <recanman[m]> Depends on the seller I guess
06:21:00 <ceetee[m]> depends on the eggs I guess
06:50:21 <TrasherDK[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "wait, whats an sjw" <- Same as a keyboard warrior, but worse 😂 
07:21:58 <TrasherDK[m]> recanman: ceetee🇧🇪 (`1 XMR` * `value in local currency`) / `local price of one egg` = ?
07:44:45 <Siren[m]> <TrasherDK[m]> "recanman: ceetee🇧🇪 (`1 XMR` * `..." <- You forgot to `* 24 / 25`
07:46:12 <TrasherDK[m]> Math is not my first, second or even 10th language.
07:53:14 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> PTSD triggered
11:50:40 <plowsof11> i noticed https://www.crypto-armory.com/ on monerica.com (purchase ammunition with XMR or ETH), FenixAmmunition just throwing mud. they are Bitcoin-first (and only) judging by this blog here https://fenixammo.com/blogs/news/start-using-bitcoin-btc-for-your-firearms-purchases 
12:04:41 <plowsof11> Glitter finance have responded to one comment on their CCS: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/396#note_21764
12:19:45 <ceetee[m]> None of my concerns were addressed, instead I got a generic marketing response describing glitter.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/420bb3f60e0b7d665468ca62bef3e22f6fa72344>)
12:20:43 <ceetee[m]> yeet it 🚮
13:06:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> Click at your own risk:
13:06:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> MajesticBank @MajesticBank:libera.chat:  and OrangeFren:  collabo intercambio.app, now leads to the UN website
13:07:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> 🍿
13:08:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> And 🦗s from them. Do they not know? Well.. heres me pinging them
13:10:22 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sounds like a secure backend to send your crypto to
13:10:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> If it got hacked
13:10:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> If not.. what tha absolute fuck
13:14:18 <ofrnxmr[m]> <plowsof11> "Glitter finance have responded..." <- Word salad
13:15:23 <ofrnxmr[m]> op says will integrate Monero privacy network infrastructure... serving as an intermediary to render cross-chain data private before it final destination
13:16:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> "8 networks"
13:16:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> lmao
13:17:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Btc and forks... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/92a468abb3f097676c151d97bdc1d61a3fa0b459>)
13:18:32 <spirobel[m]> <plowsof11> "i noticed https://www.crypto-..." <-  maybe he just did the spergout to appease the bitcoin maxis crowd. but it could also be that his btcpayserver hoster does not support customizations. 
13:18:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> Oh. They mean "solana, polygon, eth, avax, tron, algo"
13:18:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> https://explorer.glitterfinance.org/charts/CHAIN_USERS
13:19:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> So.. just evm. Lol @ "cross chain"
13:21:31 <ofrnxmr[m]> "how to swap nfts privately"
13:21:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> 1. Dont use monero
13:21:32 <ofrnxmr[m]> 2. Figure it out. TornadoNFT
13:22:39 <spirobel[m]> spirobel[m]: you can get btcpayserver as a managed solution for example: https://voltage.cloud/btcpay/ and I assume many of these merchants use a service like this.
13:23:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> "how to swap nfts privately"
13:23:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> > 1. Dont use monero
13:23:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> > 2. Figure it out. TornadoNFT
13:23:00 <ofrnxmr[m]> Again with the "whore monero for privacy, while pretending these other chains are superior currencies or MOE" 
13:23:06 <monerobull[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: do they even know monero isnt evm
13:23:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yeah. they want to use it to launder money from surveillance chains
13:24:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Launder nfts***
13:24:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> (which doesnt work) 
13:25:13 <ofrnxmr[m]> For the same reason houdiswap is snake oil
13:25:21 <ofrnxmr[m]> s/houdiswap/houdiniswap/
13:26:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Click at your own risk:..." <- > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Click at your own risk:
13:26:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> > MajesticBank @MajesticBank:libera.chat:  and OrangeFren:  collabo intercambio.app, now leads to the UN website
13:26:03 <ofrnxmr[m]> monerobull @monerobull:matrix.org: 
13:26:03 <monerobull[m]> i have seen 
13:26:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Sup with that?
13:26:18 <monerobull[m]> they trying to go fishing?
13:26:21 <monerobull[m]> idk
13:26:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> No response from them anywhere?
13:26:57 <monerobull[m]> maybe they got hacked? 
13:27:14 <monerobull[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: majestic isn't that known for great communication lmao
14:00:03 <spirobel[m]> <nioc> "for 20k we can give away 120xmr" <- we could cover kabul completely in Monero stickers 🤣
14:05:44 <r4v3r23[m]> will some one PLEASE think of the afgan children??
14:05:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Women*
14:06:39 <r4v3r23[m]> whatever
14:07:06 <spirobel[m]> what kind of peripherals does the tag have?
14:07:10 <plowsof11> for 5 xmr we could have covered Beirut in stickers..  
14:07:37 <plowsof11> and thrown a party for the sticker placers https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/367
14:10:47 <spirobel[m]> plowsof11: problem is nobody cares about beirut. https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1429075944619261953
14:10:48 <r4v3r23[m]> lebanese women are hotter than afghan
14:10:54 <r4v3r23[m]> i vote support the women of lebanon
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14:12:49 <r4v3r23[m]> spirobelopen a CCS to defund the CIA
14:16:43 <spirobel[m]> r4v3r23[m]: you can say what you want about the CIA but it worked. This report is from 2010. The war continued for another decade and Afghan women are meme now in the mind of the western public. Nobody cares about Lebanon women. Sad but true. 
14:17:04 <spirobel[m]> <r4v3r23[m]> "lebanese women are hotter than..." <- does not matter if they are hot or not 😆
14:17:17 <r4v3r23[m]> spirobel[m]: thats where youre wrong
14:21:10 <naphtha[m]> haram
14:22:32 <r4v3r23[m]> harem > haram
14:23:49 <naphtha[m]> harems arent haram\
14:25:43 <r4v3r23[m]> based
14:30:09 <naphtha[m]> you have to be rich as shit though as the quaran states you have to be able to provide for all ot them
14:30:59 <plowsof11> #monero-offtopic:monero.social 
14:48:38 <ocean[m]> <r4v3r23[m]> "i vote support the women of..." <- my vote goes to women of japan 
14:54:05 <ofrnxmr[m]> Theres no ccs for that
14:56:48 <spirobel[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: "represent Monero at cosplay / anime conference in Japan" the payment will be used for 10 xmr air ticket, 2xmr maid costume, 6xmr buying weeb stuff, 1 xmr monero flyers and both, 0.5 xmr entrance ticket
14:58:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> Monerochan
14:58:16 <ofrnxmr[m]> wownerochan
14:58:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> I support
14:58:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> spirobel[m]: 10xmr+ costume (custom)
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15:00:40 <monerobull[m]> instead of funding someones vacation id rather hire a 3d artist to make us a proper model
15:01:02 <ofrnxmr[m]> Both
15:01:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> Find us a famous cosplayer
15:01:31 <spirobel[m]> (I was just joking just to be very clear)
15:02:33 <ofrnxmr[m]> I wasnt
15:03:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Its not 20k tohave her hand out badges
15:03:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Ill support msvb ccs if he dresses up like monerochan /s
15:06:10 <spirobel[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: but just using money as an incentive wont work.
15:06:50 <r4v3r23[m]> can anyone here setup a username/password on their node for me to test something
15:09:36 <ceetee[m]> <spirobel[m]> ""represent Monero at cosplay..." <- I know to people who may be willing to lend their maid costume 👀
15:09:54 <r4v3r23[m]> plowsof
15:12:17 <ofrnxmr[m]> r4v3r23[m]: He probably doesnt want to restart those nodes when people are using them
15:13:11 <spirobel[m]> ceetee[m]: have you been to this kind of conference before? or your friend?
15:13:26 <ceetee[m]> I have been at monerokon 😅
15:13:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> adding a password = downtime as well
15:13:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> I dont really want to restart mine and change config either.. 
15:16:56 <ocean[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Find us a famous cosplayer" <- apparently japans most famous cosplayer https://enako.shop/
15:17:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> r4v3r23 @r4v3r23:monero.social:  ofrnxmrqhjqb2zwl2zafkyv7cd52k5yrnivlu37mo7a7qsd4a3tva5id.onion:18089
15:17:37 <ofrnxmr[m]> u & p are nahuhh
15:17:38 <spirobel[m]> the problem is that there is not enough material around Monerochan to make this character "cosplayable". 
15:17:44 <r4v3r23[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: thank you
15:19:52 <ofrnxmr[m]> Let me know when youre done so i can remove the username and pw
15:22:35 <r4v3r23[m]> getting connection failed on 2 wallets
15:24:24 <ofrnxmr[m]> Working in cake
15:28:58 <ofrnxmr[m]> Doesnt seem to be working in stack
15:29:41 <r4v3r23[m]> or feather
15:30:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> Hm
15:30:21 <r4v3r23[m]> anon & mysu also no connect
15:30:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> post in feather
15:30:46 <ofrnxmr[m]> See if others can connect
15:30:55 <ofrnxmr[m]> Cake is working, so not sure
15:31:15 <ofrnxmr[m]> Stack was broken > fixed (clearnet at least) > looks broken again
15:35:06 <r4v3r23[m]> you sure cuck is actually using the username and pass
15:36:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> Yes. Its completing the sync
15:37:00 <r4v3r23[m]> try in feather
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15:51:25 <ofrnxmr[m]> No problem
15:53:48 <ofrnxmr[m]> Not working with appimage and "allow feather to manage tor"
15:54:04 <ofrnxmr[m]> Working if i run tor daemon manually
15:55:35 <ofrnxmr[m]> Feather bug
15:56:34 <ofrnxmr[m]> It required a restart of feather after enabling "allow feather to start daemon", then after doing so it deleted the username and password
15:56:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Working though.
15:56:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> * Working though. (after readding username and pw)
15:57:22 <r4v3r23[m]> ofrnxmr[m]: you mean socks vs tor?
15:58:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> correction: tobtoht @tobtoht:mone ro.social:  restart seems to forger the node username and password 
15:58:19 <ofrnxmr[m]> Everytime
15:58:32 <r4v3r23[m]> i dont need to restart, just set to socks instead of tor in proxy settings
15:59:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> r4v3r23[m]: I mean sudo systemctl start tor + uncheck "allow feather to manage"
15:59:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> vs
15:59:30 <ofrnxmr[m]> sudi systemctl stop tor + check "allow feather to manage"
15:59:31 <r4v3r23[m]> i just switched setting and it works
15:59:39 <r4v3r23[m]> no restart of tor/feather
15:59:50 <ofrnxmr[m]> r4v3r23[m]: Need to restart feather because feather isnt applying settings correctly
16:00:04 <r4v3r23[m]> works for me
16:00:27 <ofrnxmr[m]> (feather isnt starting the daemon on its own unless i restart after enabling)
16:00:38 <ofrnxmr[m]> Using your own tor daemon (socks) works fine 
16:01:11 <ofrnxmr[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Working if i run tor daemon..." <- ^
16:01:41 <ofrnxmr[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "It required a restart of feather..." <- ^ to use the built in tor management
16:02:08 <ofrnxmr[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "Not working with appimage and "..." <- And i only tried appimage 2.4.9
16:03:10 <ofrnxmr[m]> tldr: cake 👍, stack 👎, feather 👍
16:03:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> Username and password is working in cake
16:03:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> not in stack
16:03:54 <ofrnxmr[m]> and forgets the username and password in feather, but it works if you re-add on each launch
16:04:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> * Username and password is working in cake
16:04:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> not in stack
16:04:36 <ofrnxmr[m]> and feather forgets the username and password, but it works if you re-add on each launch
16:15:51 <tobtoht[m]> <ofrnxmr[m]> "correction: tobtoht @tobtoht:..." <- Yes, this was fixed. Included in next release.
17:53:35 <plowsof11> the rendering error with intercambrio.app has been fixed
17:54:29 <plowsof11> s/intercambrio/intercambio/
17:54:42 <ofrnxmr[m]> What was the cause
17:54:43 <plowsof11> i still misspelled it
17:58:46 <plowsof11> not sure, i could only guess 
18:58:16 <monerobull[m]> <plowsof11> "the rendering error with..." <- out of all the websites, the fucking UN page
18:58:25 <monerobull[m]> hilarious
19:19:49 <Siren[m]> <plowsof11> "the rendering error with..." <- "Made with 🧡, in undisclosed locations" hiding behind cloudflare 💀
19:30:28 <ofrnxmr[m]> Siren:  it was redirecting to UN website earlier 💀
20:14:25 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Shill
20:47:53 <monerobull[m]> from 4chan: 
20:47:54 <monerobull[m]> In related news, a potentially devastating ZKP tech vulnerability has just been discovered.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/746e3c5d84a84ebaebaeb7fb60c0ee51d620f435>)
20:48:29 <monerobull[m]> kayabanerve: as our zk expert, thoughts?
20:49:11 <kayabanerve[m]> Rucknium: has been sending this around for a bit. I've already commented, and it was discussed in Firo research.
20:49:21 <kayabanerve[m]> Nova, the paper stands.
20:49:30 <kayabanerve[m]> Nova, the impl, insecurely extended the paper.
20:49:37 <kayabanerve[m]> The end
20:51:05 <Rucknium[m]> New cryptography is high risk. That includes Curve Trees.
20:56:47 <Rucknium[m]> Monero's original implementation had a counterfeiting flaw that was undetected for years (confirmed never exploited on the Monero blockchain).
20:56:52 <Rucknium[m]> The original proposal for RingCT was insecure. After a few months, MRL realized it and fixed it, before it was deployed to mainnet
20:57:31 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Found me?
20:58:23 <Rucknium[m]> That's just Monero. Zcash had a counterfeiting flaw (unknown if exploited). So did Firo (exploited). And then Secret Network's whole transaction graph was potentially revealed in an exploit.
21:03:47 <Rucknium[m]> More info starting on page 12 here: https://github.com/Rucknium/presentations/blob/main/Rucknium-Monerotopia-2023-Slides.pdf
21:08:18 <r4v3r23[m]1> good thing no one from monero community begged ztrash for an exemption/permission to use their tech
21:08:19 <r4v3r23[m]1> oh wait....
21:12:08 <monerobull[m]> <Rucknium[m]> "That's just Monero. Zcash had..." <- that was on the monerokon trivia :P
21:15:26 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Next trivia night i’m teaming with ruck
21:15:44 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Plowsof suxd
21:16:06 <chesterfield[m]> Is there any chance Monero could get rid of the cryptography stuff to prevent bugs from happening in the first place
21:16:19 <plowsof11> hey... how am i meant to know that "monero" means "money" in Esperanto 
21:16:41 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Cleartext? Transactions
21:18:08 <chesterfield[m]> In bitcoin I can simply get my calculator out and add up every single transaction
21:18:14 <chesterfield[m]> Can we add that feature to Monero
21:20:31 * DanrdarkIsnotthe uploaded an image: (99KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/eHUCriKxgpqFdIdUgzLHWSSO/ima_ff69de2.jpeg >
21:30:11 <kinghat[m]> questions about the konferenco playlist on youtube: are all the videos posted? it says "(unedited)", does that mean there are edited ones coming? and a comment that they are not in order. not sure whom runs the channel.
21:34:51 <plowsof11> #monero-events:monero.social ajs_ has access to the channel. they will be edited properly soon 
21:41:54 <ajs_[m]> right, editing is a time consuming process and we might outsource the work depending how our balance looks after paying all outstanding debts  
21:42:38 <ajs_[m]> i put out raw, unedited videos to get the content out to the public ASAP
21:42:53 <ajs_[m]> all main stage talks have been uploaded
21:42:56 <ajs_[m]> and remote talks
21:43:07 <ajs_[m]> i still need to upload IoC in person talks
21:48:14 <kinghat[m]> yep, no worries and thanks! just planning a consumption strategy 😅
23:41:49 <spirobel[m]>  how much did glitter want? they asked zcash for 75k https://zcashgrants.org/gallery/25215916-53ea-4041-a3b2-6d00c487917d/41270485/ 
23:44:30 <Rucknium[m]> Since the beginning of this year, a bunch of groups that applied to Zcash also applied to MAGIC Monero Fund. We rejected them all.
23:46:02 <plowsof11> at the moment, 445 xmr is 74154.96 USD so we would be getting a slight discount 
23:46:27 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Monero vc fund
23:47:40 <Rucknium[m]> There could be a good project that applies to both "funds", but we haven't seen it yet.
23:47:41 <plowsof11> they still haven't corrected the "id" to "is" in the first sentence yet though (and other typos) - they have time before the meeting on the 8th
23:49:31 <spirobel[m]> you can buy this stuff for 35 bucks per kilo on aliexpress https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002564989577.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.15.4c0fnhlenhlelK&algo_pvid=baec6868-777d-4a1a-b2f1-e4d71e97866b&algo_exp_id=baec6868-777d-4a1a-b2f1-e4d71e97866b-7&pdp_npi=3%40dis%21USD%2187.50%2135.0%21%21%2187.50%21%21%40212272e216886008932223097d077b%2112000021170993746%21sea%21TW%210&curPageLogUid=0MJD6ER06Isw
23:49:59 <spirobel[m]> glitter
23:50:42 <DanrdarkIsnotthe> Glitter bomb 
23:54:30 <plowsof11> glitter has use cases though https://dys2p.com/en/2021-12-tamper-evident-protection.html